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Channel log from 23 February 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<achandrashekar>
Hello, I have been on off and on, and am working in ubuntu 7.10 ltsp 5 (edubuntu). I have been fighting a ldap installation which uses libnss that causes a system lock up on boot when it hits the klog daemon.Has someone else run into this? And what can be done??
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I tried to get on in the morning with no responses
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thanks in advance.
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<johnny>
and now you're here on the weekend ..
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you sure pick the worst times
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i wish i had enough machines to have already built such a setup :)
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<achandrashekar>
lol...yeah...its a timing issue..students all day..
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and then...trying to build it..is weekends and after school
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and hence its a real bitch trying to get help...i did post up to mailing list though
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hope things are going well with you though. :)
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<johnny>
not quite
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running into bugs with sabayon for gnome 2.22
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<vykarian>
Guys, is there a way to discover if there's more than one DHCP server at the same network? (I have a LTS network that some boxes don't get the DHCPACK from dhcpd)
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<sickonnet>
hii is there any better solution for share in LTSP than samba
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<cyberorg>
sickonnet, better? nfs or use ~/public_html for simple http sharing
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<sickonnet>
samba have user access policy
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<sickonnet>
thx cyberorg
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<Nubae>
hi, is anyone using a projector on a remote client (ie, not from server directly)?
08:53
I need some way of knowing when the RC_FILENN= files are being exectuted within the startup procedure...
08:53
for example, I have a RC_FILE00=/start/nfs.mounts.sh
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but portmap starts after the script in place, so it doesnt work
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nfs.mounts.sh is just for mounting /home via nfs
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(this is for low fat client stuff btw)
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well, I'm doing a terrible hack by starting portmap and nfs utils before the script, but it would be nice not to have to resort to this :-)
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<laga_>
has anyone tested ltsp in hardy with virtualbox as client? X freezes the VM here (in my custom image, X setup should be the same)
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<Nubae>
I've now got my 'low fat' clients finally working, except one thing, and I've really tried everything... gdm refuses to startup from the initscripts
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if I login with root
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and type gdm, startups up even with a nice list of all my available ldap users
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I've tried creating an rcfilenn= script to get around this and startup gdm that way, but still doesn't work
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screen 7 just gets to starting logs, at the point where X is supposed to start via gdm, and no go
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<laga_>
Nubae: did i talk to you about the ltsp-build-client plugin?
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<Nubae>
no
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<laga_>
ah, must have been someone else then :)
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<laga_>
Nubae: are you having that problem in hardy?
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<Nubae>
or maybe, I have mentioned ltsp-build-client and ltsp-client-core
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I'm not trying it in hardy, but it should be independent
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unless lots of changes have happened to ltsp-build-client and ltsp-client-core
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which I highly doubt
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<laga_>
ah. ok, just having some odd problems in hardy with stuff that worked in gutsy, but i need to investigate more
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<Nubae>
well what is it?
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<laga_>
Nubae: gdm doesn't staret, clients boot very slow sometimes, second X start hangs the client. gotta be related to virtualbox or my network, though
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s/stret/start/
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<Nubae>
I have vmware on my network
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but pretty sure it doesnt affect it
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and doing /etc/init.d/gdm restart obviously doesn't fix it :-)
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I get this when I login with a specific user: gdm[5683]: WARNING: GDM file gdm-daemon-config.c: line 2121(): Cannot run seteuid to 0: operation not permitted
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but thats permissions, which is fine cause I want root to start it up
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anyway, I'm gonna test hardy 5 now
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<cliebow>
laga_, ogra was saying you might have some insight on alternate dhcp parameters passed via option 128/9?
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<Nubae>
laga_ seeing as you are running virtualisation, maybe you can help me... I'm trying to setup a network printer from within a XP image, but I'm not sure how
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looking for the printer normally, doesnt work, I guess cause vmware will make a different subnet which is being natted to the real network
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<Nubae>
damn... I got it to work!
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<Nubae>
with an extremely ugly hack :-)
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I made a file called RCFILE_01 = /etc/xtrascripts/startgdm.sh
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and put int /usr/sbin/gdm in that file
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set mode to o+x
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and voila, it now works
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<laga_>
cliebow: um.
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cliebow: via an option? no. i was gonna add the corresponding option to thee ipconfig call in the initramfs
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<cliebow>
oh i see..i did that long ago on the nubus Macintosh..then jammcq engineered the dhcp option
11:29* laga_ doesn't know if it's working
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<laga_>
just bent back to tinkering today and other stuff is broken (unexpectedly)
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<cliebow>
so you "could" alter the option 43 entry in the initramfs sent by client to differentiate Macintosh from i386..if you had to..for nfs monted clients?
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i guess it is ancient technology nowadays..forget it....
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<Nubae>
laga_ any ideas about installing a printer via vmware?
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<cyberorg>
cliebow, jammcq ogra whole team, I would like to share this news with you http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/02/23/and-the-foss-india-award-goes-to/
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<cliebow>
!!!!
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<ltspbot>
cliebow: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow>
heh
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COOL!!!
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<cyberorg>
cliebow, thanks :)
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<cliebow>
i wish my brain were as big as my heart...
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<rjune>
?
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<laga_>
just figured out my problems. on my fat client, HAL was breaking the net connection
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<achandrashekar>
hello. i need some assistance with ldap integration with ltsp. can someone help out?
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<steph_>
Can someone confirm how the sound works with LTSP ? What I understand is that there's a sound server on the client side ( esound or pulse?) that connects to the local soundcard. That's how we can ear sound on the client side. Am I right?
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<achandrashekar>
Hello anyone have experience with skolelinux ??
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<johnny>
i've never heard anybody mention that
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anywhere
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on any of the20 channels i'm on
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or in anything i've gone through on the internet
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<cliebow>
achandrashekar, ragnar pops in once in a while..he is a principal in skolelinux
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<johnny>
what is it?
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<achandrashekar>
I see its a debian variant...which includes the load balancing i need :)
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<cliebow>
ltsp in debian with an ldap piece
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<achandrashekar>
with ltsp 5
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<johnny>
it needs it's own distro?
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<achandrashekar>
well..it works.
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:)
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with ldap
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and I dont have time to wait around for answers any longer
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<johnny>
sounds like they should focus on making a script for debian instead of making a whole new distro..
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<cliebow>
it is/was...ragnar didnt say much about it last time he was here
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<achandrashekar>
well they could say that about edubuntu as well no?
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<johnny>
edubuntu is
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for hardy
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already in process
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<cliebow>
skole was a pretty cool thing in its day..
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<achandrashekar>
its a variant of ubuntu...just like skolelinux is a variant of debian
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<johnny>
it will just be an addon cd
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it's not a variant anymore
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<achandrashekar>
the nice thing is that it has many of the "hardships" of enterprise setup figured out...and their documentation is excellent
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<cliebow>
ach..they using ltsp5 integrated in??
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skole was a pretty cool thing in its day..?
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ach..they using ltsp5 integrated in skole now
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<achandrashekar>
cliebow: yes they use ltsp 5 now.. in what "looks" to be version 5
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cliebow: and it "appears" they have some nice walk throughs to incorporate ldap auth..and load balancing features..but who knows...I might take time to install it and see.
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<cliebow>
back when i tried it..oh 2003.it was set up for 2 nics..plus i happened to pick a cpu thast was dicey ..
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so it never was right..
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<achandrashekar>
cliebow: I have been fighting a edubuntu install with load balancing and ldap for 3 weeks now..and a server that hangs on boot. Right now Im dead in the water.
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cliebow: Im hoping it works with a "single" nic feature, gets ldap working, and I can load balance...that is "all" im asking for.
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I want to use such a setup for my ENTIRE environment
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we are going MS free in 2008
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no more BS licensing issues
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and I have complete buy in from the entire school.
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we're done with MS
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<cliebow>
cool!!
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<achandrashekar>
yep..so you can see my excitement, frustration, and anticipation.
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Its been such a rough ride with not getting ldap working in edubuntu. Otherwise it is an EXCELLENT distro.
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<cliebow>
i use single nic for our high school..and also one elementary school..
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<achandrashekar>
Im just frustrated with the bug that has been around for 3 generations of ubuntu now
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and documented
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<johnny>
you could have hired me .. :)
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<achandrashekar>
and Canonical, once called...responded with We'll get back to you..
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so Im not sure if this one of those HUGE issues that seems to plague the distro
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<cliebow>
achandrashekar, known bug for one mobo?
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orin ldap?
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achandrashekar, our ogra wrote a lot of the code for edubuntu..I am sure he could point you the right direction..
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<johnny>
cliebow, he keeps missing ogra :)
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that is the problem
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<cliebow>
must be a timezone thing..
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<achandrashekar>
sorry..for dropping off...coffee shop's wireless router took a dump
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<cliebow>
no prob
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<achandrashekar>
cliebow: well..it appears that downloading their distro is another story..it times out..lol
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<cliebow>
where was your fownfall in ubuntu?
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where was your downfall in ubuntu?
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<achandrashekar>
well ldap authentication
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it simply failed on bootup with libnss
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and there has been a bug list across 6.10,7.0.4, and now 7.10
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ALOT of people have been a bit pissed off because it makes it VERY difficult to SELL ubuntu as an ENTERPRISE solution if that very important piece does not work
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its a bit frustrating
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thank god....I asked the admnistration for my school to do a proof of concept
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<cliebow>
i have ldap running in edgy feisty and gutsy..if there is anything you need togo by
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<achandrashekar>
in any other case it would have been disasterous to try and sell it
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well the smb-ldap config.. what exactly did you do to get the bootup to work
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<cliebow>
sounds like you need bind_policy soft
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<achandrashekar>
>>
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i have that
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i put that in nsswitch.conf and in /etc/ldap and for good measure in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf
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<cliebow>
errr...i can send you one..
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<achandrashekar>
none of which worked
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plus I even checked my group permissions for existence of nvram and klog
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and...lol
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I even changed the rc daemon scripts to load on S10 instead of S18
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<cliebow>
so the sob Never started??
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<achandrashekar>
right
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hangs on goddamn klog daemon
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everytime
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but if you would like to send it
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that'd be spectacular
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achandra@linuxpresence.com
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thanks
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<cliebow>
i need to think for a minute....i did run into that a while ago..
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<achandrashekar>
i really like edubuntu...but i was thinking to myself....how long..before you get an answer or solution...you know?
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:)
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<johnny>
you're doing things beyond the normal use case
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<cliebow>
any road..i'd bet we could get over that hump with Gadi and ogra in the picture on Monday..
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<johnny>
thus you have trouble finding help :)
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<achandrashekar>
according to the wiki....its very normal :)
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at least the edubuntu one
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<johnny>
how about.. beyond the normal use case of those who don't pay for support :)
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<achandrashekar>
and im not trying to be an ass.. but if its in there and available im going for it...
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well then why then would they put in the wiki for general install
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it does provide a very clear install path
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<cliebow>
achandrashekar, id bet we could get it ironed out Monday
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<achandrashekar>
and i see that as norwmal
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normal
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this is NOT rocket science
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<johnny>
anything involving ldap sounds like rocket science to me :)
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and i've been doing linux stuff for years :)
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<achandrashekar>
ldap "should" be a very straight forward install that should NOT cause severe system lock ups albeit with proper install...and I have checked against it...across a number of proficient admins
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a directory...a database...a look up and then auth...straight forward.
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anyhow...i will leave the system in question alone..and wait until monday
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<cliebow>
i wrote a bash script..cause i never could do the same thing twice without it
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<achandrashekar>
Ill have my teachers assistant just check in every so often :_
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cliebow: I used the well documented samba-ldap script to get me going..then CLOSELY followed the edubuntu guide/wiki
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no go.
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btw.. i do have a question
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<cliebow>
the lockup you mean
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<achandrashekar>
right the lock up
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you did place the boot_soft yes in /etc/ldap.conf or /etc/ldap/ldap.conf
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??
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<cliebow>
i will look to be sure
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<achandrashekar>
thanks
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<johnny>
one day i will get enough clients to use such a setup
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<cliebow>
absolutely it is in /etc/ldap.conf
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<achandrashekar>
johhny: i hear you...why not set it up with a set of cheapy boxes as a "lab" scenario to see if it works
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<johnny>
like i can afford that
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or have the space for it
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<cliebow>
host 127.0.0.1
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bind_policy soft
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base dc=surryes,dc=org
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ldap_version 3
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rootbinddn cn=root,dc=surryes,dc=org
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scope sub
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<johnny>
pastebin cliebow :)
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<achandrashekar>
cliebow: okay...and also..there is an /etc/ldap/ldap.conf that is there too right?
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<johnny>
hehe
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<achandrashekar>
;)
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<cliebow>
yeah..ill pastebot that..
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<achandrashekar>
okay the difference between those two is??
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<johnny>
ther's room for no more than 5 clients at my current ltsp install place
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<achandrashekar>
i see
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<johnny>
i'm trying to find another
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to setup a freegeek
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but that'll be awhile away
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<cliebow>
hehe..not a durn thing enabled in /etc/ldfap/ldap.conf
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<achandrashekar>
in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf nothing...okay
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okay let me play around with it one last time
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<cliebow>
usually there is a BASE
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<achandrashekar>
and we will see what happens
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<cliebow>
achandrashekar, Ill ask around #openldap if you like..
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<achandrashekar>
sure...i dont know if they answer such "ubuntu specific questions"
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they may say "compile from source dude!"
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lol
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<cliebow>
i just cant remember where i found the answer..
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there are a few i talk with..gagatan...
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<achandrashekar>
cliebow: sounds good. and I provided my email earlier in the thread. feel free to email if you wish and ill hang out in here as well
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my new home....ahhhhhh
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:)
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<cliebow>
there are wicked good people here...
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<johnny>
are you just wicked? :)
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<achandrashekar>
yeah...there are...even with my impatience they are willing to help...johnny has been great as well with you
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i appreciate it greatly
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<johnny>
my only issue is finding a way to get paid to do this stuff :)
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it's more fun than what i normally do
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which is screw around making nasty websites for people
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this one site i'm working on, he wants it to be split up into a 3x3 table
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<achandrashekar>
well..with a little joomla action, and this...you are very marketable to schools
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<johnny>
joomla is dumb
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<achandrashekar>
id try to hit them up
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<johnny>
i hate joomlah
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<achandrashekar>
on the contrary..but each to his own
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<johnny>
it's a nasty hack
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<johnny>
the api is weak
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<achandrashekar>
i thought you said you wanted to get paid...:)
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stupid--$$ some times
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<johnny>
the only thing hacky i might want to work on is moodle
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<achandrashekar>
we have that here also
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the point is...when you are working on cool things like ltsp
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<johnny>
but it needs heavy architecture work
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<achandrashekar>
do you want to be managing content as well
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let the administrators and teachers do that
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<johnny>
obviously
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<achandrashekar>
not so stupid now
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<johnny>
there are better solutions
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<achandrashekar>
its about...what you can manage in the day
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<johnny>
ones that will grow
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instead of short sighted hacks
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where 2 years down the road it costs double the maintain
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<achandrashekar>
look at me for example stuck trying to get help on weekends and nights
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but we are off topic
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<johnny>
because of poor design decisions
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<achandrashekar>
sorry
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<johnny>
at least i trust the ltsp guys to do the best with what they have
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<achandrashekar>
speaking of shortsighted hacks --- libnss in edubuntu??lol
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<johnny>
that's normal atm
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afaik
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short sighted hacks get time tested after many years :)
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<achandrashekar>
cliebow: are you familiar with what the rootbinddn parameter does? in ldap?
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<cliebow__>
achandrashekar, defines name of root admin user..
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<achandrashekar>
cliebow__: thank you very much...the system boots up now..
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:)
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<cliebow__>
really!!!!!
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<achandrashekar>
cliebow__: it appears that the samba-ldap script mangles the ldap.conf file pretty bad
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and causes the system not to boot
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<cliebow__>
i'll be damned!!
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<achandrashekar>
I simplified it
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and it boots now
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i hope i can get a bit more help from you
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i created a user using smbldap-add
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<achandrashekar>
and then set the password
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<cliebow__>
cool! when you want t play with some ldap manipulation scripts ill send you some stuff..
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<achandrashekar>
but i cannot log in
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i installed php admin
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and i see the user
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<cliebow__>
that on windows?
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<achandrashekar>
no on linux
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with apt-get
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and then its a webbased configuration/viewer
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btw..we should note somewhere that the samba-ldap installer causes issues with 7.10
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it is very important
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<cliebow__>
id smbldap-add??
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<achandrashekar>
type that in??
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id smbldap-add into the console?
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<cliebow__>
yeah
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<achandrashekar>
no such user
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but the command appears to work
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did i miss something here?
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<cliebow__>
you need a browser..to see what is there..i use ldapbrowser282b2
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<achandrashekar>
yes...i have that....phpldapadmin does that
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<cliebow__>
Come Monday i can work with you..
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<achandrashekar>
okay..
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<cliebow__>
with ldapasearch from cli
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<achandrashekar>
i found the id - 1000
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<cliebow__>
moquist Wrote smbldap-installer..he is around here..
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not tonight though
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<achandrashekar>
okay
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will do
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<cliebow__>
Good job getting it going!
19:08
<steph_>
Hi everybody. I would like to know how a client produce sound locally. Does the client absolutely needs pulse?
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