IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 April 2013   (all times are UTC)

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04:34
<alkisg>
vagrantc: should we use pam_group to put localdev users to the fuse group, so that we don't bother with it server-side?
04:35
Ah sorry that wouldn't work, they need to be in the fuse group in the server too
04:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i use pam_group server-side to do that :)
04:40
<alkisg>
vagrantc: hm... maybe ltsp-config fuse then? :)
04:42
<vagrantc>
i can't believe i didn't get NFS configuration into ltsp-config yet.
04:43
i should evaluate all the tweaks i do on LTSP servers to see if it would make sense for ltsp-config
04:44
<alkisg>
vagrantc: do you have the /etc/security/groups.conf line handy?
04:48
<vagrantc>
i've long been meaning to exploe update-pam for making those changes
04:49
<alkisg>
pam-auth-update?
04:53
<vagrantc>
alkisg: http://paste.debian.net/247441/
04:54
<alkisg>
Thanks, I was missing the pamd./sshd bit
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07:45
<naboo>
hello, i'm tring to set up ltsp on slackware, when i run bzr branch lp:~ltsp-upstream/ldm/ldm-trunk command returns error: bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~ltsp-upstream/ldm/ldm-trunk": No such project: ldm
07:45
what can be wrong?
07:47
<alkisg>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk
07:47
See the correct command there
07:49
<naboo>
ok
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08:19
<develo>
http://ltsp.org/ down
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08:23
<alkisg>
jammcq: ^
08:23
Yeah that server has very frequent problems
08:23
(or the ISP)
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10:12
<naboo>
it seems that compile ltspfs is not possible while Makefile.in file doesn't exists after run autogen.sh
10:13
<alkisg>
ltspfs might be replaced with sshfs in ltsp6
10:14
<naboo>
i trying to build everything from bazaar
10:15
i'm stuck on ltspfs
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10:16
<alkisg>
ltsp worked, without ltspfs?
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10:17
<naboo>
ok i installed sshfs
10:17
alkisg, i don't know, i run ltsp years ego, and now i would like to run WYSE S10 thin clients
10:18
i will eat a barrel of salt :(
10:18
<alkisg>
The clients aren't the problem; slackware is :)
10:19
You could very easily boot them with e.g. the latest debian wheezy
10:20
<naboo>
i know :(
10:20
<alkisg>
Porting ltsp to a new distro requires a few weeks of troubleshooting
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10:20
<alkisg>
If you can invest those to port ltsp to slackware, sure, go ahead, you'll find help here
10:21
Just don't expect to be done in 1 day
10:21
Btw you can also have a debian chroot in a slackware server, afaik, if it suits your purpose
10:22
<naboo>
alkisg, can i install ltsp on 64 bit machine and run 36 bit clients?
10:22
<alkisg>
Yup
10:22
(32)
10:23
<naboo>
ok
10:23
i'll try with Slackware
10:24
i like Slack :-)
10:24
<alkisg>
Sure, you may also become an ltsp slackware maintainer if you can code in shell
10:24
<naboo>
i spend a lot of time to adjust to my Dell notebook
10:24
i can
10:26
for first i need to run ltsp on my machine
10:33
<alkisg>
Yup, start with ltsp first, leave ltspfs for later
10:34
<naboo>
ok
10:34
:)
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11:09
<naboo>
work_alkisg, script to create a clients directory structure is ltsp-build-client ?
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11:26
<naboo>
i think the documentation on http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Packaging is incomplete part Create basic Chroot
11:27
or i'm blind
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13:18
<sbalneav>
Morning all
13:19
<ogra_>
!s
13:19
<ltsp>
s: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:19
<sbalneav>
Hey Ho ogra_!
13:19
<ogra_>
:)
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13:43
<yopla>
hello there
13:43
i'd like to know if threre is some sort of mac-adrress pattern matching in lts.conf
13:44
haven't found this in man page
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<sbalneav>
No regexp matching I'm aware of.
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13:52
<yopla>
sbalneav: thank you. So what's the best way to have multiple client same config but different from default ?
13:56
<sbalneav>
[client1]
13:56
config
13:56
[client2]
13:56
congig
13:56
etc.
13:56
I believe we also have a LIKE keyword.
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13:57
<naboo>
can i use ltsp-build-client on Slackware from Debian?
13:58
because from source script ltsp-build-client returns strange error
13:59
<vagrantc>
that seems highly unlikely to work
14:00
LTSP requiers a fair amount of distro-specific coding...
14:00
since not all distros use the same tools to build a chroot environment, boot using the same initramfs systems (if they use an initramfs at all), and numerous other things
14:00
<naboo>
LTSP 4.2 was simpler
14:01
<yopla>
sbalneav: thank you. LIKE is somewhat better than copy paste.
14:01
<naboo>
there was smart installer :(
14:01
<vagrantc>
a lot more complicated for the developers
14:01
LTSP 4.2 was an entire linux distribution, not just a few small packages
14:02
naboo: you could build a chroot for a foreign distro and then run that as your LTSP environment on your slackware server
14:02
naboo: but really, it probably wouldn't be hard to add support for LTSP to slackware... but nobody's ever done it.
14:02
<naboo>
i.e. debian in chroot?
14:03
that is silly :P
14:03
vagrantc, i'll try
14:03
<vagrantc>
no less silly than running ltsp-build-client from debian and expecting it to work
14:04
<naboo>
vagrantc, that was only question to smarter than i
14:05
so what reason could be for /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-etc-hosts: line 3: /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/hosts: there is no file (or something like that)
14:06
vagrantc, but file /usr/share/ltsp/pl.... there is
14:06
vagrantc, if i figure out how to run LTSP on Slackware I will write how to on this
14:07
<vagrantc>
naboo: well, we'll want to integrate your code upstream, if you figure that out.
14:07
naboo: sounds like it didn't create a chroot, which should include /etc/hosts.
14:08
naboo: is /opt/ltsp/amd64 present?
14:08
<naboo>
vagrantc, yes
14:08
<vagrantc>
naboo: and is /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/hosts present?
14:09
<naboo>
there is no /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc directory present
14:09
<vagrantc>
seems like you skipped creating a chroot, then.
14:09
<naboo>
vagrantc, i think that maby problem i
14:09
vagrantc, in creating directory or, as u said before chroot
14:09
<vagrantc>
naboo: are you running ltsp-build-client on slackware? did you create plugins to do all the distro-specific things?
14:10
<naboo>
vagrantc, yes a running ltsp-build-client on Slackware
14:10
<vagrantc>
naboo: you'll need files in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Slackware that include similar functionality to what the other distros do.
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<vagrantc>
naboo: how do you create a chroot on slackware?
14:10
naboo: that would be step 1.
14:10
<naboo>
vagrantc, ok, this is very helpful i try
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14:10
<yopla>
I've just tested LTSP on latest intel NUC celeron mini PC. This rocks with hdmi monitor. The cheapiest i've found for thinclient + monitor. They could be fat too \o/
14:11
<naboo>
vagrantc, i think that ltsp-build-client is more magically than it is
14:11
<vagrantc>
naboo: what is the output from: lsb_release --short --id
14:12
naboo: it's no magic, just a few lines of code :)
14:12
<naboo>
vagrantc, n/a
14:12
vagrantc, i thought*
14:13
<vagrantc>
naboo: you'll need to figure out a way to detect that you're running on slackware ... do you have the appropriate lsb packages installed?
14:13
<naboo>
vagrantc, i installed lsb_release from source
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<naboo>
vagrantc, from here http://sourceforge.net/projects/lsb/?source=dlp
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<vagrantc>
naboo: you'll have to figure out how to get it to report your distro
14:14
<naboo>
vagrantc, and some stuff from here http://www.linuxfoundation.org/
14:14
vagrantc, ok
14:14
<vagrantc>
so, i guess the first step is figure out you're running on Slackware in a way that ltsp-build-client can detect it :)
14:15
<naboo>
vagrantc, i'll do that :)
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<vagrantc>
if you want to cheat, create /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-server-vendor-functions: detect_vendor(){ echo Slackware; }
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14:18
<vagrantc>
there's a special place in my heart for Slackware, given that the first thin client system i wrote was initially based on slackware.
14:18
though, that was... 12-13 years ago?
14:18
<naboo>
vagrantc, wow!
14:18
vagrantc, what distro u using now?
14:19
<vagrantc>
Debian, since about 11-12 years
14:19
so i don't know what slackware looks like today... heard it hasn't changed a lot
14:19
<naboo>
vagrantc, i like Debian, but Slackware force me to think, more than other distros
14:19
<yopla>
Slackware was my first 5 CDROM pack for my pentium 1 75
14:20
<naboo>
vagrantc, i have Debian in my VirtualBox environment :)
14:20
<vagrantc>
i hear arch is good for forcing you to learn everything...
14:22
<yopla>
it took me 1 week to make my LPT deskjet work in color. ^^
14:23
<naboo>
vagrantc, yes but Slackware is also far from simple :) and Slackware is very old, in my opinion this is advantage
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<naboo>
vagrantc, it is good idea to install debian in chroot via debootstrap :-)
14:48
vagrantc, i think
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<vagrantc>
might be
14:59
<naboo>
i'll try
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<gbaman>
vagrantc: i am sure you hate me now :)
22:11
but here goes
22:11
it sort of worked! the normalish fat client mode
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it grabbed the os from the server then hit ldm and seemed to fail to load it, constantly looping round with the failed to find pci error
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did your test work right up to and past login?
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<vagrantc>
but the answer is, yes, my fat client worked fine.
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