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Channel log from 26 October 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<elias_a>
Good morning, world!
02:37
<Appiah_>
morning
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<zeltron>
Hi all
05:21
Network problem with ltsp-ubuntu
05:21
I set up the server for test with a temporary IP Adress
05:22
Now it works, I want to put it in production, and I changed the IP adress
05:22
The client boot is ok, but when I try to log on it (ldap based auth), it doesn't work
05:23
Is there a file somewhere in the chroot where the IP address of the server is written ?
05:27
P.S. : local login with the same account is ok
05:30
<Appiah>
what does /var/log/auth say on the servers about the login
05:32
<zeltron>
I've brought my server back to the configuration that works, to try to diagnosticate the problem
05:33
So I need 2 minutes to go back to state that doesn't work
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<zeltron>
Appiah: Sorry, a little bit longer than I thought !
05:59
/var/log/auth on the server doesn't say anything about the login
06:00
<Appiah>
check the clients /etc/ldap.conf then
06:00
and /etc/nsswitch.conf
06:00
is ldap defined?
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<zeltron>
ldap.conf contains only commented lines
06:02
nsswitch .conf contains nothing about ldap (passwd, grou and shadow are configured with compat)
06:02
But it worked fine before I changed the IP address from the server !
06:03
It's the server that check for login, not the client ?
06:05* alkisg_work hasn't seen all the chat, but reminds about ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image that is needed after changing the server ip
06:06
<zeltron>
alkisg : Of course... I think that's it ! I try this
06:14
alkisg : It's OK ! Not used to those ltsp-update-...
06:14
Thanks a lot
06:15
<alkisg_work>
np :)
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<Alocado>
hello
06:42
i've a problem while my ltsp clients are booting
06:43
the clients send dhcp discover/selects for their ip after kernel boot... tfp works, nbd too (i think)
06:43
*tftp
06:46
any idea?
06:52
<Appiah>
:)
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<Appiah>
whats the problem then Alocado ?
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<Alocado>
Appiah, i get the message "Running /scripts/init-premount" and after that there are only dhcp requests...
07:10
"Sending select for xx.xx.xx.xx"
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but no answer but i don't know why... when i try to reboot the dhcp gives the same ip again
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<Appiah>
is this on all clients?
07:12
<Alocado>
yes
07:12
<Appiah>
all the same hardware?
07:12
<Alocado>
no
07:13
dhcp before tftp boot works... after running /scripts/init-premount" it doesn't work
07:13
<Appiah>
had a running envoirment before or trying to setup now?
07:13
<Alocado>
new setup... the dhcp server is a cisco switch/router (very big thing) and the ltsp server is a vm
07:17
but... why 2 dhcp requests!?
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<Alocado>
aaahh IPAPPEND 3 solves the problem
07:26
<Appiah>
:)
07:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
does someone know how to clear /away on xchat?
07:27
<Appiah>
is it not like in irssi? first you type /away <something> then just type /away without something after to clear
07:27
if you did /away without typing anything after, you're not away
07:27
(irssi-style)
07:29
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, Alt+a
07:30
<Alocado>
Appiah, /back
07:30
oh... _UsUrPeR_ ... /back
07:31
<Appiah>
ah
07:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
thx :)
07:35
<Alocado>
the irc protocol would accept away without any parameters but xchat has its own usuage with away/back
07:38
<cliebow>
x
07:39
<Appiah>
hmm , is there any tool to directly deny access to a application for a group of users (School use)
07:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
well I am back :)
07:44
appiah: chown/permissions is about he only real way to disallow use
07:44
I have done a lot of work with sabayon, and it's almost there
07:44
but not completely student-proof
07:46
<Appiah>
I have yet to use sabayon since its crashes all the time , and just last week learned that there are non-crashing PPA packages
07:46
but have yet to try them. But isent that just for profile making?
07:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
Appiah: check with sbalneav about that. He has his own PPA, and in 9.04 it does it's job, if not a little quirky.
07:47
<Appiah>
I'm talking about dissallowing 1user or 1 group in a few clicks and the application shouldnt launch
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh.
07:47
<Appiah>
and then 5min later allow
07:47
example
07:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
Appiah: oh. That makes things tougher.
07:49
<Appiah>
:)
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08:01
<Alocado>
k... client is booted... but: where are the local consoles?
08:02
ctrl+alt+f1 suspends the monitor in standby mode... :/
08:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
alocado: add the following lines to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
08:03
[DEFAULT]
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screen_02 = shell
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screen_07 = ldm
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in that order
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Gadi: Congrats!
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<Gadi>
hehe, thanks!
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<cliebow>
Gadi:We MISSed you
08:26
<Gadi>
I missed being ther
08:26
*there
08:27* Gadi hopes someone took notes :P
08:28
<cliebow>
prob not..cliebow took pipe clamp..to open lobster though
08:29
<Gadi>
cool
08:29* Gadi guesses thats not the usual tool of choice ;)
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08:52* ogra only had some scotch in Gadis name
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<dtrask>
!Gadi++
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<ogra>
Gadi, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/get_it_done.flv
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09:05
<Gadi>
aww... you guys
09:05
<dtrask-no-karma>
!karma
09:05
<ltspbot>
dtrask-no-karma: Highest karma: "jammcq" (8192), "beer" (86), and "whiskey" (36). Lowest karma: "dtrask" (-37), "chrisinajar" (-20), and "chrisinajar--jar" (-1).
09:05
<Gadi>
I had some scotch in Gadi's name, too
09:05
<ogra>
heh
09:05
<dtrask-no-karma>
Gadi, me too!
09:06
<Gadi>
nice video
09:06
I feel like Ive seen it a million times, tho :P
09:06
<dtrask-no-karma>
Gadi, where's the video?
09:06
<Gadi>
http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/get_it_done.flv
09:07
<dtrask-no-karma>
LOL...I remember them filming that
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<Blinny>
I like that dance.
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<Gadi>
so, aside from the booz, what else got finished?
09:17
<ogra>
ltsp should be down to two or three open bugs in LP
09:18
stephane got mad and closed them all :)
09:18
<Gadi>
and here I thought we only had 2 or 3 open bugs
09:18
:)
09:18
<ogra>
it was something like 75 or so
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<Gadi>
couldnt be bugs - maybe "suggestions"
09:19
"requests to work properly"
09:20
<cliebow>
dtrask-no-karma got an email addy for scott?
09:21
dtrask-no-karma, any pics of bts up?
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<sbalneavbb>
morning all, from my blackberry
09:35
<Gadi>
la la la
09:36
<sbalneavbb>
ltspbot: seen ogra
09:36
<ltspbot>
sbalneavbb: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 17 minutes and 21 seconds ago: <ogra> it was something like 75 or so
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<ogra>
moo
09:36
<sbalneavbb>
good flight?
09:36
hey gadi
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<ogra>
well, so so
09:36
was one of the rather bumpy ones ...
09:37
i thionk we rode the storm we had the day before in maine
09:37
hey only did about half the service they had announced because the flight attendants needed to be seated to often
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<sbalneavbb>
ahhh. Well glad to see you made it safe and sound
09:38
<ogra>
i did, exhausted though
09:38
i'm only back home since a few hours
09:38
are you still on the road ?
09:39
<sbalneavbb>
I won't make it home 'till tomorrow night. Then, I start hacking on D-Bus :)
09:40
<ogra>
heh
09:40
<sbalneavbb>
yeah, last leg of the drive
09:40
<Gadi>
guess you need d-blackberry to hack on d-bus
09:40
<sbalneavbb>
sorry, slow typing on a BB
09:40
bwahahaha
09:40
<ogra>
i'd love to discuss the design with Keybuk in case he sees any drawbacks
09:41
but everyone is to busy with release atm ... i doubt i can grab his ear before fri.
09:41
<sbalneavbb>
Talking to keybuck was early on in my list of priorities
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<ogra>
right, he wont have time atm
09:41
release is thu.
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and he is going through the remaining boot issues with the new bootprocess
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<sbalneavbb>
I'll do this one like I did ltspfs. I'm going to design the whole thiing on the wiki before I write any code
09:43
<ogra>
good idea
09:43
<sbalneavbb>
we need to get this right the first time
09:43
<ogra>
yep
09:44
<sbalneavbb>
ok, we're on the highway, and it's getting bumpy to type. I'll be on later today from jim's palce
09:44
seeya
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<Blinny>
I wish I had a palace.
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<stgraber>
morning
09:53
hey mgariepy is on IRC !!!
09:56
<mgariepy>
yeah, my laptop was on suspend so..
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:P
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<adrien>
Hello, I need help connecting to the internet through firefox localapp. It used to work but I had to rebuild a new image and now I can't get it to work. I followed the same step as the previous time and I can't see what is missing. Can someone help me debug this?
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<zeltron>
adrien : ubuntu ?
10:27
<adrien>
yes
10:27
9.04
10:27
64 bits
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<zeltron>
/etc/resolv.conf in chroot is read-only
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<adrien>
it has 644 permission
10:28
should that be different?
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<zeltron>
you have to write a little script that makes a chown on this file at client boot
10:29
<adrien>
I think I did following the wiki ThinClientHowtoNat
10:29
it's in lst.conf right?
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<zeltron>
in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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add the line :
10:30
<adrien>
or do I need to have a script for chown also? (right now it's only doing a chmod 644)
10:30
<zeltron>
RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/chmod-resolv.sh
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<adrien>
ok, this one I have
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<zeltron>
and of course, create the script chmod-resolv.sh in /etc/init.d
10:31
<adrien>
in the server or in the chroot?
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<zeltron>
It must contain : chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf
10:31
in the chroot
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<zeltron>
/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/
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of course, you must ltsp-update-image after that !
10:33
<adrien>
ok. It was already in the chroot and there is the right line in it
10:33
so how to be sure it is being read?
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<zeltron>
(Don't forget chmod +x /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/chmod-resolv.sh before update)
10:34
<adrien>
right!
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<zeltron>
You can put another line like : echo "coucou" > /tmp/test
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in your script if you want to be sure it's red
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<adrien>
that's what I must have been missing. I going to give it a try and restart a client
10:36
good idea
10:36
<zeltron>
Ok... good luck
10:36
<adrien>
thanks a lot!
10:44
<alkisg>
zeltron: that bug was *only* in the beta release, it was fixed for the final release
10:44
You just need to specify DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN in lts.conf
10:44
No need for any scripts whatsoever...
10:45
ah, sorry, adrien ^^^
10:47
<adrien>
zeltron: it works! such a little thing to think of but without you I would never have thought about it! You made my day
10:48
alkisg: it seems the script was needed indeed, because I had the SEARCH_DOMAIN and DNS_SERVER in lts.conf but it wouldn't connect. Or was it because the RCFILE was still there?
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<alkisg>
adrien: it's supposed to work with no scripts. I haven't heard of anyone having a problem after the beta...
10:50
<adrien>
Maybe I'm running an older version? But I'd think ltsp in 9.04 is pretty up to date
10:52
however the fact is that making the script executable made the connection available again, so it might be used somewhere
10:54
<Gadi>
cyberorg: ping
10:55
<cyberorg>
Gadi, hiya :)
10:55
<Gadi>
hey! quick question
10:55
does Suse run /etc/X11/Xsession in ldm
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<alkisg>
adrien: you can see your version with sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | grep ^ii
10:55
<cyberorg>
yes /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession
10:56
<Gadi>
cyberorg: ah, ok
10:56
<ogra>
heh, xdm
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<Gadi>
and is that consistent across Suse/Novell, etc
10:56
<alkisg>
adrien: jaunty was shipped with 5.1.65-0ubuntu2
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<cyberorg>
yes all suse versions
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<ogra>
thats so dead :)
10:56
<Gadi>
cool
10:56
thx
10:57* ogra guesses suse keeps that path for hysterical raisins only ...
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<ogra>
i cant imagine a distro shipping xdm nowadays
10:57
<Gadi>
mmm... raisins
10:57
bbiab
10:58* cyberorg pimps openSUSE-Edu 11.2 hybrid live iso(dd to usb or burn to dvd), it has LTSP running out of the box
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<cyberorg>
Gadi, you may want to get that in case you want to do some quick checking
10:59
<alkisg>
cyberorg: is that hybrid thing a openSUSE specific trick? Or other distros also will do it?
10:59
<cyberorg>
alkisg, mandriva does it too
10:59
<alkisg>
Nice. I hope we'll see it in Ubuntu sometime...
11:00
<adrien>
alkisg: this is the version I have. So I can't explain why I still need the script.
11:00
<cyberorg>
yeah, it is new syslinux thing
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<ogra>
unlikely that ever enters ubuntu
11:00
<alkisg>
Ouch. syslinux in Ubuntu is really out of date...
11:00
<ogra>
on purpose
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<cyberorg>
ogra, "hysterical" sounds quite funny :D
11:01
<alkisg>
ogra, my newer PCs can't even boot with the syslinux provided with karmic :(
11:01
I had to get the debian one
11:01
<ogra>
did you file a bug ?
11:01
<alkisg>
Sure, there was one already
11:01* ogra wonders why the age of the HW would have any impact here
11:02
<alkisg>
And cjwatson said he accepts patches, but has no time to do it right now...
11:02
<ogra>
right
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<alkisg>
I guess it's a controller thing, or a bios thing... I don't really know, but chain32 hanged my pcs
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<ogra>
and he wont switch to the new syslinux
11:02
that would mean to rewrite half the world
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<alkisg>
I wonder why does it need to be so much patched for Ubuntu...
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<ogra>
it doesnt
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but there are a ton of other things that make use of it, they would need rewrites
11:04
which is why i said "that would mean to rewrite half the world"
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<alkisg>
Ah, I see... so the problem isn't really syslinux, but the other things that use it
11:04
<ogra>
yes
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<alkisg>
Is there any way to let my users change their own real names? (== the comment field in /etc/passwd)
11:11
<ogra>
i dont think thats exposed anywhere in the UI
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<zeltron>
alkisg : My ltsp server is jaunty, and I needed this script for resolv.conf too
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<alkisg>
ogra: It's in users-admin, but needs sudo access.. :(
11:13
<ogra>
yeah
11:13
<alkisg>
zeltron: my ltsp server is jaunty, and I don't need this script :)
11:13
<ogra>
because it edits a root woned file
11:13
*owned
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<alkisg>
ogra: yeah, but chfn allows it
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If you properly modify login.defs
11:13
But it doens't support utf8 chars
11:13
:(
11:14
usermod doesn't, though... so I wonder if anyone make a suid root utility for that case
11:14
*usermod doesn't support modifying the commend field, but does support utf8 chars
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<zeltron>
alkisg : Ah... that's a mistery !
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<alkisg>
zeltron: if you restore everything to its original settings, and just set DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN in lts.conf, doesn't it work for you?>
11:15
*I mean to delete any RC_SCRIPTS you put there...
11:15
<ogra>
alkisg, well, patch gnome-about-me to user chfn then ;)
11:16
<zeltron>
alkisg : I've got only one RC_SCRIPT there, and DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN are in lts.conf
11:16
<ogra>
*use
11:16
<alkisg>
ogra, gnome-about-me doesn't expose the comment field at all :(
11:16
<ogra>
right
11:16
fix it ;)
11:16
<alkisg>
Heh. I bet I'll get shouted at for policy reasons
11:16
<ogra>
it exposes the real name
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<ogra>
add a "change" button next to it
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<johnny>
/me awaits the karmic koala
11:17
ready to upgrade my intrepid box at the store
11:17
<ogra>
that calls a dialog which in turn uses chfn in the backend
11:17
<johnny>
altho i hve to hold back wxwidgets and sqlaclhemy :(
11:18
<alkisg>
Where do you use wxwidgets?
11:18
<johnny>
our POS program
11:18
infoshopkeeper
11:18
<alkisg>
ogra, chfn won't work, I'll have to also patch that to make it utf8 aware :D
11:18
<johnny>
isn't theree some more standard way to do this kinda thing?
11:18
<ogra>
great !
11:18
<johnny>
would be nice to have a profile
11:18
<ogra>
so you fix to things in opne go !
11:18
<alkisg>
Bah... I'll just make a pygtk wrapper for personal use :D
11:19
<ogra>
pfft
11:19
<johnny>
would be better to use something like vcard or elsewise
11:19
<alkisg>
It's the beurocracy I'm afraid of, not the code... ;)
11:19
<ogra>
bah
11:19
<johnny>
as right after that. you'll want to store something else
11:19
<ogra>
coward
11:19* alkisg bows head and accepts that he can't beat 40 years of unix heritage...
11:20
<ogra>
heh
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<alkisg>
So... are you BTSers going to finally decide to create an ltsp.conf?
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<ogra>
??
11:21
<alkisg>
for all the $BASE, NBDPORT etc variables...
11:21
<johnny>
we already have that
11:21
<ogra>
ugh
11:21
i hope not
11:21
<johnny>
$BASE .. but not NBDPORT
11:21
for the specific commands
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<alkisg>
johnny: nah... most things are provided only as command line parameters
11:22
<johnny>
if you look at the code it sources various files
11:22
ltsp-build-client, ltsp-update-kernel, ltsp-update-sshkeys
11:22
<ogra>
why would you want that in a conf file ?
11:22
<johnny>
they all source the equivalent configfile
11:22
<ogra>
it never changes once you created your chroot/image
11:22
<johnny>
ogra, something like gobo linux does
11:22
where they rewrite all the paths to something more like osx
11:22
<ogra>
it will just add an extra point to mess up the system
11:23
<alkisg>
ogra, e.g. there's a bug filed for nbdport and the lack of a way to properly set it
11:23
<ogra>
then gobo should use the right paths as defaults in their port of ltsp
11:24
alkisg, you can set it in pxelinux.conf
11:24
s/conf/cfg/
11:24
<alkisg>
which gets overwritten after update-kernels :)
11:24
<ogra>
right, thats a bug we should fix
11:24
instead of inventing new config files as hackish workarounds ;)
11:25
<alkisg>
All the "fashionable" packages have a .conf file... why not ltsp? :P :D
11:25
<ogra>
youre such a fashion junkie :P
11:26
really, lets rather make the code DTRT
11:26
<alkisg>
DTRT?
11:26
<ogra>
do the right thing :)
11:27
<alkisg>
There are places in the code where hackish autodetection is used, and which would benefit from a .conf file
11:27
<ogra>
the config where NBDPORT is set is pxelinux.cfg ... we already have a config file
11:27
in stead of fixing the hackish autodetection ?!?
11:27
<alkisg>
Yes. I.e. provide a reasonable default, and if the admin want something different, he could just modify the .conf file
11:28
<ogra>
we set a reasonable default
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<alkisg>
Sometimes autodetection is much worse than that
11:28
<ogra>
the prob is that admin changes get overwritten with that default
11:28
<alkisg>
OK gimme 5' to find specific code examples..
11:28
<ogra>
so lets *fix* the code, not add more hacks
11:29
and yes, i'm aware thats true for many places
11:29
no need to search for them :)
11:29
<alkisg>
OK
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<ogra>
make sure to file bugs for each of them if you come across one
11:30
so we can fix stuff in the right places
11:30
<alkisg>
Let's take nbdport as an example. Either pxelinux.cfg should *not* be automatically generated, or it should provide for a way to set nbdport, right?
11:30
<ogra>
it should simply check if the admin changed it
11:30
<alkisg>
I don't think that's a good way to do it
11:30
<ogra>
and respect the chnages the admin added by parsing it
11:30
<alkisg>
If the admin put 1234 lines in there, and 123 of them have an nbdport for some other reason?
11:30
<brendan0powers>
sbalneav: Hey, openauth is taken(surpise!)
11:31
sbalneav: so I'l have to come up with something else
11:31
<alkisg>
I'd prefer a conf file for that case
11:31* ogra doesnt
11:31
<alkisg>
:)
11:31
<ogra>
we have way to many conf options where we could have done bvetter with better auto-behavior
11:31
the lts.conf documentation makes me cry ...
11:31
<brendan0powers>
sbalneav: perhaps open authentication server(openas), or warren suggests authentazilla:)
11:32
<alkisg>
Sure, autodetection is a good thing. I just don't think it should be used for *everything*
11:32
Heh, the lts.conf is another story ;)
11:32
<ogra>
it grew exactly to what i always tried to avoid
11:33
and i'm very sad that i dont have the time to add better solutions to many of the things :(
11:33
<johnny>
ogra, perhaps you should add a TODO for that
11:34
even if you can't implement it yourself
11:34
<ogra>
that means i need time to do a close code audit
11:34
and i dont even have the time for that
11:34
<johnny>
just add as you notice something
11:34
<ogra>
and given that i know whats ahead for me in lucid i will even have less time for ltsp
11:34
:/
11:35* alkisg is happy to have ogra around even if he doesn't have time for ltsp coding anymore :)
11:35
<johnny>
yes ogra
11:35
ogra.. do you have a proper jid? if so.. can i have it?
11:35
in pm if you want
11:35
<ogra>
jid ?
11:35
<johnny>
your xmpp account?
11:35
<alkisg>
Just In time Debugging :P
11:36
<ogra>
ogra@jabber.org i think
11:36
though i havent used that for years
11:36
<johnny>
well that is pointless then..
11:36
<ogra>
right
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<IHS_Volunteer>
So, I'm running an LTSP server, and trying out some of the pentium MMX's. The ones with ATI cards all work, but using an S3 Virge doesn't start X. a pentium 3 using the S3 Virge card successfully started X.
11:37
<johnny>
pentium mmx sounds a bit uhmm.. underpowered..
11:37
<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: so if you put XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf, they start?
11:37
<IHS_Volunteer>
alkisg, I haven't tried that. I'll see.
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<alkisg>
(virge has 2 driver variants, I think, and isn't always properly autodetected...)
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<IHS_Volunteer>
also: A Pentium mmx is good enough to stream a youtube video to at about 20-25FPS, limited more by the network than the CPU it seems...same as all the other things I'm using as thin clients.
11:43
Pentium MMX with ATI Rage II, Pentium II with ATI Rage II, Athlon 64 3500+'s with ATI R300 based chips in an Xpress200 chipset.
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<IHS_Volunteer>
also, it seems to have worked with the Vesa option
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seems a bit buggy.. sheering, and what not.
11:46
<alkisg>
Vesa is much slower
11:46
<johnny>
are you using LDM_DIRECTX=Y in your lts.conf ?
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<alkisg>
What's the pci id for that card?
11:46
<johnny>
which distro/distro version are you running IHS_Volunteer ?
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<IHS_Volunteer>
Yeah, I'm using directx. and I'm using ubuntu 9.04 32bit on both the server and as the clients.
11:47
Also, I have no idea what the pci id is on it.
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<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: put SHELL_02=shell and SHELL_07=ldm in lts.conf
11:48
Then switch to vt2, and run lspci -nn|grep VGA
11:48
<ogra>
s/SHELL/SCREEN/
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(unless that changed recently)
11:48
<alkisg>
right ^^^, SCREEN_02
11:49
...and SCREEN_07
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<IHS_Volunteer>
Obviously going to have to buy a bunch of videocards, I'm thinking ATI Rage X's because they are readily available and cheap. I was testing what we have that we could use.
11:51
Rage XL's*
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<alkisg>
@(#&$*(@# users-admin properly supports the org.freedesktop.systemtoolsbackend.self.set policy kit setting, with which the users could change their own real names. ***But*** it refuses to start if the user isn't in the admin group! :(
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<IHS_Volunteer>
Now uh, as my knowledge extends to what I've had to do before.. what's the PCI id number going to look like?
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<alkisg>
alkisg@alkis:~$ lspci -nn|grep VGA
11:56
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT [10de:0407] (rev a1)
11:56
My pci id is 10de:0407...
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<IHS_Volunteer>
K,
11:58
5333:8a01
11:58
There's an S3 trio onboard that's listed as well.
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<alkisg>
two cards?
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<IHS_Volunteer>
There's an onboard S3 trio, that I was giving up on, and an S3 Virge PCI video card.
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<alkisg>
Hmmm maybe the driver gets mixed up with 2 similar cards... doesn't the onboard one work if you take out the virge one?
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<IHS_Volunteer>
Nope.
12:01
It tries to start x, falls back to screen 1, tries again, and repeat.
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<alkisg>
What's the id of the onboard?
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<IHS_Volunteer>
5333:8901
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<alkisg>
The ids are OK, the onboard is in s3.ids and the pci on in s3virge.ids...
12:07
So if they don't start, you should look for problems mentioned in xorg.0.log etc
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<IHS_Volunteer>
Well, I just realized I don't know where that is
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<alkisg>
In vt2 on the client, in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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<IHS_Volunteer>
doesn't exist. but a Xorg.7.log existed. I used cat on it, it was huge. I I don't know if I have anything more suited to view it installed besides nano.
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<johnny>
grep WW or grep EE on it
12:19
first EE i guess
12:19
<IHS_Volunteer>
Ah, fatal error, can not run in framebuffer mode, please specify bus ids...
12:20
for all framebuffer devices
12:20
wait, that's at the end of it
12:21
grep ee mentions no monitor specified for it
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<alkisg>
You need to *remove* XSERVER=vesa and *then* see the logs...
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<johnny>
EE not ee :)
12:22
big diff
12:23
<IHS_Volunteer>
johnny, ah, I'm using a busted keyboard, I'm forgetting things while making loud noises failing to get buttons to push
12:23
Also, I think I did disable XSERVER=vesa
12:24
I did disable vesa
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<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: you can run scp Xorg.7.log some_user@server: ==> and then look at it from the server, or upload it to pastebot...
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<johnny>
perhaps ltsp should skip with that wgetpaste or somethin..
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<IHS_Volunteer>
installing pastebinit. that might make life easier.
12:29
<alkisg>
Are you sure you have internet access from the terminals?
12:29
<IHS_Volunteer>
I just found that I don't.
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and I forgot how to use scp.. I suppose only using twice in the past year might be part of it.
12:31
<Appiah>
scp localfile user@remotserver:/path/to/file
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<IHS_Volunteer>
thanks
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<IHS_Volunteer>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
IHS_Volunteer: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
12:36
<alkisg>
johnny: you once told Ryan about a dbus exploring app, could you tell me which one that was?
12:36
<ltsppbot>
"IHS_Volunteer" pasted "xorg logfile" (223 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/595
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<johnny>
d-feet
12:36
that's one of em anyways
12:36
<alkisg>
ty
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<Gadi>
IHS_Volunteer: try adding: MODULE_01 = "sisfb" to lts.conf
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<kusznir>
Hi again: i'm still having issues getting dual-head to work on my DevonIT TC5's (Intel 945 graphics, dual-DVI). I've tried the stuff Gadi sent me last week on this channel, but so far none of it has appeared to have an effect.
12:43
At this point, I'm not sure how to proceed or troublshoot this further...The built-in OS (DeTOSS, a micro-linux distro) does to Xcinerama on both displays, so I know its possible...
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<IHS_Volunteer>
Gadi, it doesn't seem like that helped any.
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<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: are you using a vga=xx kernel command line parameter?
12:46
(in pxelinux.cfg/default...)
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<IHS_Volunteer>
alkisg, I'm using defaults, excluding auto-logins.
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<alkisg>
ok
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<IHS_Volunteer>
The problem with specifying things specifically to machines is the idea that those machines will be replaced, and the next person to manage whatever LTSP server I setup will mostly be using the GUI, and not know how to even begin editing the config file to remove its specific settings.
12:50
<Gadi>
kusznir: are you logged into one of those machines at the moment?
12:50
<kusznir>
Logged into the term server at the moment.
12:50
<Gadi>
can you be logged in from one of the thin clients that you want dualhead on?
12:51
<kusznir>
Ok. Is it easy to turn on ssh? (the thin client is in the next room over)
12:51
<Gadi>
no, I mean actually log into one of those thin clients, so we can work on it while ur logged in at it
12:52
as opposed to changing stuff and running back and forth blindly
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<kusznir>
Ok...I'll get my laptop out and log into irc from there.
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<IHS_Volunteer>
these P1's need soundcards too, I think. their sound is playing from the server, while every other machine has pulse-audio working on them and the sound plays from them. so a 15 dollar videocard and a 6 dollar soundcard is pretty cheap for a thin-client. :/
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<IHS_Volunteer>
And my time for the day is up, later.
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<kusznir_>
Gadi: Ok, I'm on my laptop in front of the thin client.
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<alkisg>
Yeah!!! After some loooong goooogling, I found it: "userinfo: A graphical equivilient to chfn." ;)
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<Gadi>
kusznir_: ok, let's do this: pop open a terminal window
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then run: ltsp-localapps xterm
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which should give you an xterm on the thin client
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<kusznir_>
Gadi: Ok, done.
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<Gadi>
from within the xterm, type: xrandr -q
13:01
or just xrandr
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and pastebot the results
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<kusznir_>
Top resoluton is 1280x1024, and is *'erd.
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<Gadi>
I want to see all of the outputs
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<kusznir_>
(I have two 1280x1024 panels attached to this client)
13:02
Ok.
13:02
!pastebin
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<ltspbot>
kusznir_: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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<kusznir_>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
kusznir_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"kusznir_" pasted "xrandr output" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/596
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<Gadi>
Ok, so you have three known outputs:
13:03
VGA, TMDS-1, and TV
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<Gadi>
do you have a VGA-to-DVI dongle on the VGA output?
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<kusznir_>
except in this case, there are only two TDMS outputs.
13:04
There is no VGA output...there are two DVI ports
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<Gadi>
ah, ok, but the driver is not aware of that
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<kusznir_>
There is most definitely no TV output...
13:05
Yea, that seems to be the problem...how to tell the driver what it really has :)
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<Gadi>
it could be that your thin client hardware actually uses DVI attached to a VGA channel
13:05
let's try this:
13:05
from the xterm window, do:
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xrandr --output VGA --left-of TMDS-1 --auto
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<kusznir_>
Gadi: no change
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<Gadi>
ok
13:07
so, in that case, Devon may drive both DVIs with a single channel
13:07
lets see what we can do...
13:08
run (in the regular terminal) man intel
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which will give you intel driver options
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<Gadi>
ah, ok
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<ltsppbot>
"kusznir_" pasted "ltsp-generated xorg.conf" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/597
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<Gadi>
so if you read the man file, it says that the second DVI port SVDO2 is not supported by xrandr in the driver
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<Gadi>
that means, you need to add it statically in the xorg.conf file
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<Gadi>
which, in your case, is probably easiest if you copy the one that is working off of the embedded OS
13:12
place it in a file in the chroot,
13:12
and use: X_CONF = /path/to/file
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in lts.conf
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for that terminal
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(or those groups of terminals)
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<kusznir_>
Question: I have one old PC that I'm using as a thin client that has an nvidia card in it..How do I get the nvidia binary driver installed inside the chroot (assuming its needed over the nv driver)
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<Lns>
kusznir: I would assume simply chrooting to the client chroot and running the nvidia install binary?
13:31
then specifying it in lts.conf..? I might be wrong though
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<alkisg>
kusznir_: that isn't a good idea unless (a) all your clients have nvidia or (b) you have a different chroot for this client
13:32
That's because the nvidia drivers replace the opengl libraries with their own versions
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<kusznir_>
alkisg: good point....I didn't think about that.
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<alkisg>
If you really need it, just install neuvaou...
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<kusznir_>
I should start with seeing what driver its running, and go from there.
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<alkisg>
nv should be running, but it doesn't support xv
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<kusznir_>
Is there an easy way to deturmine what X interface (xv, etc) an application is using without digging into the source code/etc?
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<kusznir_>
Gadi: Update: I've managed to get the custom X conf file to active both outputs, but presently its mirroring the displays; I'm working on trying to get it as "extended desktop" style.
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<_dvorak__>
hi all, managed to get a working LTSP server-client setup with ldm in SCREEN_x and rdesktop (for windows) in SCREEN_y
13:46
however, SCREEN_y keeps flickering (connecting/disconnecting perhaps)
13:46
any ideas?
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<kusznir_>
It appears that my application uses X11 rendering, according to someone over on ##gnome.
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<monteslu>
oin #tux4kids
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err /j :)
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<adrien>
Hello. I have a question concerning the local devices option and group policy. I work in a school and I have different people with either teacher or student as their primary group, but when someone from, let's say, the teacher group plug a usb device, it will show on every other client connected with a user in that group. Is there a way to make it so only the user who plugs the device can see it without changing everybody's primary group?
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<johnny>
nope
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the users should be in their own primary group
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<Gadi>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround
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<johnny>
Gadi, a workaround?
14:24
weak
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<Gadi>
everything's got a workaround ;)
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<adrien>
And is it recommended to have so many group names then?
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<Gadi>
adrien: I'm in your camp
14:25
the above is really a bug
14:26
sbalneav was gonna have a look at it over the weekend
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when he lands, I'll poke him about it
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<adrien>
Gadi: thanks a lot! I've had a look at your link and it will do just fine. But true it shouldn't be needed in the first place.
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: glad the ltspfs mounter.d hooks proved to be useful! :)
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<tstafford>
so i'm trying to get an rdesktop session to allow access to local usb devices... and i found a bunch of mailing list messages saying this can be done by installing ltspfs in the chroot and redirecting /media/root to the client
14:35
but i'm not able to make that work
14:36
maybe someone can help me find what i might be doing wrong, i'm running ubuntu 9.04
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<vagrantc>
Gadi'sthe localdev rdesktop wizard
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<Gadi>
!RDP-localdev
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "RDP-localdev" is when I want to use local devices in an LTSP rdesktop session. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RdesktopLocaldev
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<vagrantc>
see
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<tstafford>
fast too :)
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<vagrantc>
wow. ltspfs hasn't seen a single update since mid july.
14:59
that's feeling rather stable.
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<tstafford>
Gadi: I'm getting \\tsclient\drives, but it's empty. I can access the device from an LDM session though. Also, I don't see /media/root on the thin client
15:00
<vagrantc>
though i probably mucked a few things up in the last round of commits.
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<Gadi>
tstafford: are you sure ltspfs is installed in the chroot?
15:01
when you are on the thin client, do: dpkg -l ltspfs
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or: ls /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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<vagrantc>
or from the server: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ltspfs
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<Gadi>
ah, but on ubuntu, that may not be equivalent, vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
true enough.
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<vagrantc>
if they're not in sync though, that's probably because someone was making changes that they were expecting to go live...
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<tstafford>
yes all of those show that it's installed, and i have ltspfsmounter
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i don't know how to copy and paste from xterm though
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<Gadi>
ok, on the client, unplug the USB and plug it in
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then, do ls -a /tmp/
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and see if it creates a /tmp/.root-ltspfs
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or some such
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<tstafford>
i have .None-ltspfs
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<Gadi>
aha!
15:04
you need a newer ltspfs
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<vagrantc>
it's *that* bug. :)
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<Gadi>
what version is there?
15:05
sounds like you're using one that vagrantc mucked with ;)
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<vagrantc>
no
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<tstafford>
ii ltspfs 0.5.10-0ubuntu1 Fuse based remote filesystem for LTSP thin clients
15:05* Gadi thinks he doth protest too much
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<Gadi>
:)
15:05
tstafford: lets see if we can geet you at least on to -12
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0.5.12
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or 0.5.13
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<tstafford>
can i just grab a package from karmic or something like that?
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<Gadi>
you should grab the ltspfs and ltspfsd packages
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<Gadi>
or update the sources.list in the chroot
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<tstafford>
ok
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<Gadi>
to include jaunty updates
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<Gadi>
(probably safer)
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<tstafford>
ah
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<Gadi>
that should get you at least 0.5.12
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<tstafford>
ok great
15:07
thanks :)
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<Gadi>
remember to upgrade ltspfsd and ltspfs
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since they kinda go together
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<vagrantc>
i wonder if we shouldn't set up an == versioned dependency.
15:08
<tstafford>
ok... i should probably do the same on the server environment too right? for ltspfs
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<Gadi>
probably, if it isnt already
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but less important
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<Guest89556>
Hello. My first time in this chat. I have installed ltsp on hardy. Client boots and i can login but i have no windowmanager. I tried to chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386/ and install kubuntu-desktop. Is this the correct way?
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<tstafford>
it doesn't look like it's in jaunty-updates btw http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ltspfs
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<Gadi>
Guest89556: not at all
15:16
the chroot is a minimal OS to get things up and running
15:17
when you log in through ldm, you are logging into the server
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so it is important that the server have a window manager, desktop, etc
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<Guest89556>
ok i need to install the windowmanger on the server themself?
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<Gadi>
right - it is a terminal server
15:18
only the display is pushed back to the thin client
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any app you want to use, you should install on the server
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<Guest89556>
hmmm, this is not what i want. I think i need a vm for the server
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<Gadi>
what is it you want?
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<Guest89556>
i want the terminal server in a new system. So I think i will put it on an vm
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<Lns>
Guest89556: did you install ubuntu server or desktop ISO?
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<Guest89556>
server iso
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without desktop
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<mcarter>
hello
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I am using ubuntu 9.10 beta, and I chose "ltsp server" from the alternate mode, and I'm now able to boot a thin client. But I think the process stops halfway through... it mounts 'floppy0' on the desktop, but in gnome-terminal / is still the same / as the server, and there's no /oldroot. Is this correct?
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<Lns>
Guest89556: so that's your problem
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<Lns>
Guest89556: From the shell, type "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
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that will pull all of your needed desktop environment packages down and install them on the server
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<Guest89556>
I know how to install the desktop. But I don't want it. I thought that the client got whole system from chroot. But now it all make sence.
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<johnny>
mcarter, that's correct..
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i don't know about the process stopping halfway through, but what you said is how it works
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<mcarter>
johnny, I thought the filesystem would mount /opt/ltsp/i386 as / on the thin client
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<johnny>
it does.. sorta
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but you only see that on the console
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as in i fyou logged into the virtual console at ctrl+alt+f1-6
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<mcarter>
oh, gotcha
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<johnny>
otherwise yo'ure logged into the server
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see
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!docs
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<ltspbot>
johnny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<johnny>
pretty sure it explains all that
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<mcarter>
Well, the thin client doesn't seem to be picking up changes from my ltsp.conf
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<johnny>
lts.conf ?
16:19
there is no ltsp.conf
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<mcarter>
right, typo, sorry
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<johnny>
typo in your file?
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or typo in the room
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<mcarter>
in the room
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<johnny>
what do you have in there?
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<mcarter>
though I just realized, its not automatic on this ubuntu deployment
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<johnny>
automatic?
16:20
what's not automatic
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<mcarter>
I have to go rebuild the image
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<johnny>
which version is that?
16:20
you put the file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<mcarter>
I'm using the ubuntu 9.10 beta
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<johnny>
so you don't have to rebuild the image
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<mcarter>
oh, perfect. thanks
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<vagrantc>
doesn't it say that right at the top of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
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<johnny>
i was just gonna say that..
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<Lns>
Guest89556: you don't want your ltsp clients to get the gui?
16:21
man...that sounds dirty =p
16:21
<mcarter>
vagrantc, johnny: I used a script from a friend that overwrote that file... sorry, and thanks
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<Guest89556>
sure, the client need an gui. Currently i read how to install an headless virtualbox on my server. The VirtualBox will host the ltsp server
16:23
thanks a lot for the info. Now i can go on........
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<Lns>
Guest89556: ok i think i gotcha now
16:23
Guest89556: so you want an LTSP "boot" server basically, then a separate application server for your clients?
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<Guest89556>
currect
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<Lns>
aaaaaaaahhh, ok
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<Guest89556>
is there an other way to create an application server?
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<mgariepy>
Guest89556, did you took a look at ltsp-cluster ?
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<Lns>
Guest89556: you really don't need anything besides a vanilla install of ubuntu-desktop
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<vagrantc>
install ldm-server or ldminfod if available.
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<Lns>
Guest89556: you point your lts.conf SERVER= to the ip of your app server and then the clients will go to that for their GUI
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<Guest89556>
i need ubuntu-desktop and any programm the clients would like to start. Isn't it?
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<Lns>
Guest89556: yes, on your application server
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<Guest89556>
today i would like the clients to run debian sid, tomorror maybe ubuntu jaunty or hardy. I like it to switch.
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<Lns>
Guest89556: cool, so that's a good way to go..brb, gonna get some lunch
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<Guest89556>
wait, i could create a chroot and start x in the chroot.
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<Guest89556>
so i need to turn around the ssh request into the chroot jail. I must sleep about it. Good Night........
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<scottmaccal>
hi all
18:50* scottmaccal phew
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<petre>
So, has anyone who was at LTSP By The Sea posted pictures yet?
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<mcarter>
I specified a custom xorg.conf file in my lts.conf, and now when the client boots it has the proper resolution on the login screen. After I login, I have a black screen (with the proper resolution) and a mouse cursor, but thats it. It seems like an x session is active, but nothing else. Any ideas what the cause might be?
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<dtrask>
sbalneav: are you guys back yet?
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
21:56
!karma
21:56
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Highest karma: "jammcq" (8192), "beer" (86), and "whiskey" (36). Lowest karma: "dtrask" (-37), "chrisinajar" (-20), and "chrisinajar--jar" (-1). You (sbalneav) are ranked 4 out of 17.
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<Ryan52>
!karma Ryan52
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<ltspbot>
Ryan52: Ryan52 has neutral karma.
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<Ryan52>
:(
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<sbalneav>
!Ryan++
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!karma Ryan52
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Ryan52 has neutral karma.
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<sbalneav>
Whoops
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!Ryan52++
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!karma Ryan52
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Karma for "Ryan52" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
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<Ryan52>
:)
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<sbalneav>
There.
22:10
<Ryan52>
thanks
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<sbalneav>
Lets ditch the stupid karmas now :)
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<sbalneav>
!karma
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Highest karma: "jammcq" (8192), "dtrask" (7), and "sbalneav" (5). Lowest karma: "Ahmuck" (1), "moxie" (1), and "brendan" (1). You (sbalneav) are ranked 3 out of 11.
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<alkisg>
!sbalneav++
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:)
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<sbalneav>
So, looks like my group apply patches will be included upstream for Sabayon.
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<sbalneav>
Hmmm, think I got caught in the netsplit
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ltspbot: status
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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<cyberorg>
!sbalneav++
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just because you are around when i woke up :)
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<sbalneav>
heh, gimme karma when I deserve it :)
23:33
heading to bed, I think.
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<sbalneav>
night all
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<cyberorg>
well you deserve it too, 'night
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