IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 1 April 2015   (all times are UTC)

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<MarconM>
witch is the best linux for use ltsp ?
02:12
how can i donate money to LTSP project
02:12
?
02:20
<vagrantc>
!bestdistro
02:20
<ltsp>
Error: "bestdistro" is not a valid command.
02:20
<vagrantc>
!distro
02:20
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'distro', but I do know about these similar topics: 'bestltspdistro'
02:21
<vagrantc>
!bestltspdistro | echo MarconM
02:21
<ltsp>
MarconM bestltspdistro: whatever you prefer
02:21
<MarconM>
vagrantc:
02:21
<vagrantc>
i'm biased towards debian, ubuntu's not too bad
02:21
<MarconM>
do u have a minute
02:22
did u see like linux 32 bits
02:22
<vagrantc>
MarconM: just ask questions of the channel and wait patiently
02:22
<MarconM>
the files pxelinux.0 gpxelinu.0
02:22
pxelinux.cfg
02:22
arent there
02:22
<vagrantc>
what distro?
02:22
<MarconM>
i reinstall a lot of times .. and run ltsp-build-client
02:22
but nothing
02:22
ubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu ubuntu server
02:23
32 bits .. most of then
02:23
some 64 bits too
02:23
<vagrantc>
those are all the same thing.
02:23
<MarconM>
same version yes
02:23
ubuntu server 64 worsk ...
02:23
but ... ubuntu server 32 doenst
02:23
<vagrantc>
i haven't verified myself, but i think there is a bug in ubuntu that was fixed in newer versions of LTSP.
02:23
it really ought to get fixed in ubuntu.
02:23
<MarconM>
Ok
02:24
<vagrantc>
what version of ubuntu?
02:24
<MarconM>
14.10
02:24
14.04
02:24
i got a error on client .. like Operation System not found
02:25
i took a look on /var/lib/tftpdboot/ltsp/i386
02:25
some files are missing
02:25
<vagrantc>
if you can find a ltsp 5.5.2 or newer for ubuntu it should work
02:25
the bug you're experiencing was fixed in ltsp 5.5.2
02:25
<MarconM>
let me see wich version is
02:25
<vagrantc>
uptream, and i don't think stgraber has updated ubuntu since
02:26
<MarconM>
vagrantc: do u use ltsp ?
02:26
wich linux are u using or recommend ?
02:26
debian, fedora
02:27
<vagrantc>
i maintain ltsp in debian
02:27
fedora hasn't been updated in several years
02:27
opensuse has kiwi-ltsp, which uses some ltsp stuff
02:27
but it's a little different
02:28* vagrantc has considered exploring what it would take to improve maintenance in ubuntu...
02:28
<MarconM>
debian + lxde ?
02:28
debian last version ?
02:28
i mean 7.8
02:28
<vagrantc>
i would recommend trying debian 8.0 at this point, it will be released at the end of april
02:29
<MarconM>
ok
02:29
debian testing
02:29
<vagrantc>
lxde is pretty good, mate is pretty good
02:29
<MarconM>
yes
02:29
i am downloading linux mint debian base
02:29
<vagrantc>
yes, currently debian jessie 8.0 is testing
02:29
<MarconM>
with mate
02:29
but ..i ll cancel
02:29
<vagrantc>
no idea how well maintained that is
02:30
but i just uploaded a new version of ltsp to debian a few hours ago :)
02:30
<MarconM>
really
02:30
apt-get ?
02:30
or .. source code ?
02:31
<vagrantc>
it isn't really a new version, just a minor bugfix
02:31
the version in jessie should be fine (5.5.4-3)
02:32
<MarconM>
hunm
02:32
so this "problem" its a bug
02:32
from ubuntu ....
02:32
o dear god ... 4 days lot
02:32
lost
02:33
T.T
02:33
<vagrantc>
it's not hard to fix.
02:33
<MarconM>
i want to use lubuntu
02:33
how can i fixe
02:33
this bug .. its from tftp ?
02:34
it is responsable for download the pxe*
02:34
"bad english"
02:34* MarconM is not good with english ... learning
02:35
<MarconM>
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/
02:35
debian testing
02:35
<vagrantc>
patch is: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2569/client/share/ltsp/update-kernels
02:36
and: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2570/client/share/ltsp/update-kernels
02:36
for completeness
02:36
<MarconM>
Ok
02:37
vagrantc: but ...i ll try on debian =D
02:37
<vagrantc>
i usually use the netboot mini.iso to install debian:
02:37
<MarconM>
this is netbook
02:37
no ?
02:37
<vagrantc>
http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
02:37
<MarconM>
237mb
02:37
<vagrantc>
this is just 27MB :)
02:38
<MarconM>
xD
02:38
ok
02:38
very tiny
02:38
vagrantc: where are u from ?
02:38
<vagrantc>
but then you have to download more off the network during the install, of course
02:38
<MarconM>
my network its pretty good
02:38
20mb/s
02:38* vagrantc uses squid-deb-proxy to cache package downloads
02:39* MarconM use apt-cacher-ng to cache packages downloads
02:39
<vagrantc>
nothing beats gigabit download speeds during an install :)
02:39
haven't tried that in a while, but same idea :)
02:39
<MarconM>
yes =)
02:39
yes
02:40
I use squid just for "block little childs" to enter on facebook, etc...
02:40
my raspberry comming \o
02:40
<vagrantc>
MarconM: so i'm on the west coast of north america, pacific northwest
02:40
MarconM: you?
02:40
<MarconM>
Brazil
02:41
vagrantc: maybe u dont no ... but u help me a lot
02:41* MarconM hates ubuntu
02:41
<vagrantc>
MarconM: glad to help!
02:41
<MarconM>
i appreciate
02:41
<vagrantc>
MarconM: lot of good LTSP installs in brazil, i hear ... also know a few developers from there.
02:41
<MarconM>
vagrantc: sorry byt the mistakes
02:41
english =D
02:42* MarconM has a lot of languages inside his head
02:42
<vagrantc>
far better than my brazillian portuguese
02:42
<MarconM>
rsrssr
02:42
i hope visit EUA this year
02:43
vagrantc: 20 machines thin client
02:43
with debian + lxde
02:43
server wll be a core duao 1.8 2gb ram
02:43
what u think ?
02:43
<vagrantc>
about all i remember of pt_BR is obrigado
02:43
<MarconM>
Core 2 duo*
02:44
vagrantc: yes =D
02:44
correct
02:44
De nada = wellcome
02:44
Di rien
02:44
pazjalsta
02:44
<vagrantc>
and Bagunça
02:44
<MarconM>
xie xie @.@
02:44
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
02:45
vagrantc: bagunça rsrs =D
02:45
i dont remember bagunça in english
02:45
<vagrantc>
core 2 duo with 2gb ram might be a little slow for a thin client server ... depends on what they're using it for
02:45
<MarconM>
maybe "riot"
02:45
vagrantc: school program
02:45
<vagrantc>
someone described it to me as "a fun mess"
02:45
<MarconM>
Education
02:45
vagrantc: yues
02:45
yes
02:46
<vagrantc>
MarconM: problem is things like the web browser ... if you go to simple sites, it might work fine ... but some sites eat up a huge amount of ram.
02:46
<MarconM>
vagrantc: no no ....
02:46
just program
02:46
like .. games
02:46
little games ...
02:47
web sites o blocked
02:47
I blocked
02:47
<vagrantc>
ah.
02:47
well, noting like experimentation to try
02:47
<MarconM>
yes of course
02:48* vagrantc went to the debian conference in brazil and FISL in 2004
02:48
<MarconM>
vagrantc: i thought that ltsp
02:48
<vagrantc>
seems like forever ago
02:48
<MarconM>
was ... how a say
02:48
Out
02:48
abandoned
02:49
<vagrantc>
the computer you're using was abandoned?
02:49
<MarconM>
No No
02:49
i mean .. LTSP projet
02:49
Project
02:49
<vagrantc>
it's still going, but a little slow
02:50
many folks are doing fat clients ... your core 2 duo would make a good LTSP fat client :)
02:50
<MarconM>
yes i hope so
02:50
vagrantc: this Mini debian that u posted to me
02:50
its 32 bits correct
02:51
<vagrantc>
yup.
02:51
for 64-bit: http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
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02:52
<vagrantc>
MarconM: you might also want to explore the ltsp-pnp methods:
02:52
!ltsp-pnp | echo MarconM
02:52
<ltsp>
MarconM ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
02:52
<MarconM>
good to know
02:52
i ll study
02:52
vagrantc:
02:52
<vagrantc>
it's much easier to maintain, as you basically build the image out of the server's install.
02:53
same method also works on Debian, of course.
02:53
<MarconM>
vagrantc: ltsp download all the "OS" for the /opt/ltsp/$arch
02:53
this take a lot of time
02:54
why not just make a "clone
02:54
<vagrantc>
that's one of the things ltsp-pnp does
02:54
<MarconM>
Clone ?
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<MarconM>
vagrantc: booting debing =D
02:59
<vagrantc>
MarconM: good luck!
02:59
<MarconM>
vagrantc: is not booting
02:59
the mini
03:00* MarconM confuse
03:21
<vagrantc>
the thin client?
03:26
debian does require manually configuring a few things like /etc/exports and /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf and /etc/network/interfaces ...
03:27
or using dnsmasq for dhcp
03:27
which can be configured using ltsp-config dnsmasq
03:30
<MarconM>
vagrantc:
03:30
what the mean
03:31
that i need to config interfaces ok
03:31
<vagrantc>
maybe
03:31
<MarconM>
dhpd.conf @.@
03:31
/etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
03:31
<vagrantc>
DHCP is what tells the thin client what to download from the server
03:31
<MarconM>
isc
03:31
hunm
03:32
do u have a conf for me
03:32
<vagrantc>
MarconM: you need to add to /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf: include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
03:32
<MarconM>
have a ideia
03:32
<vagrantc>
at least i think that's how it's supposed to work... let me check
03:33
<MarconM>
ok
03:33
Obrigado =D
03:33
<vagrantc>
de nada
03:34
yeah, add one line at the bottom of /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf: include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
03:34
MarconM: you have two network cards on your server?
03:35
<MarconM>
note installed
03:35
but .. i am testing on a real machine
03:35
now ... Home
03:35
and has just one
03:36
<vagrantc>
if you have two network cards, you would configure networking different
03:36
dhcpd.conf and interfaces would need to be configured correctly.
03:37
<MarconM>
vagrantc: yes
03:37
i read about that
03:50
finishing the instalation
04:20
vagrantc:
04:20
building the client
04:20
sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
04:20
sudo vi /etc/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf
04:21
include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf" on the top
04:21
edited the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf for me range of ip
04:30
<vagrantc>
MarconM: you want the include at the bottom.
04:32
<MarconM>
botton, like last line ?
04:32
Ohhh god
04:32
Ltsp-build-client its running
04:32
=(
04:32
i must to stop to change the line of dhcpd.conf
04:32
?
04:39
<vagrantc>
just open another terminal
04:39
or switch to another tty
04:43
<MarconM>
ok
04:43
debian its quite fast
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04:46
<MarconM>
vagrantc: http://imagebin.ca/v/1wnIu9KMbmcU
04:47
thin client .. look the error
04:47
but the files ... pxelinux.0 are there
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04:51
<vagrantc>
MarconM: probably trying to boot off of your router
04:51
<alkisg>
MarconM: what are your client specifications, i.e. how much RAM and what CPU do they have?
04:51
<MarconM>
256
04:51
<vagrantc>
MarconM: if you're on the same network as your router, you should use proxydhcp with dnsmasq instead of dhcpd
04:51
<alkisg>
Pentium 4?
04:51
<MarconM>
the same client that works with others
04:51
<vagrantc>
!proxydhcp | echo marconm
04:51
<ltsp>
marconm proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
04:52
<MarconM>
maybe dhcp or tftp
04:52
is not running
04:53
<vagrantc>
if you only have one network card, it's getting DHCP response from the wrong server
04:55
<MarconM>
PXE-E36: Error received from TFTP server. A TFTP error packet was received from the TFTP server.
04:58
vagrantc: its too late here
04:58
tomorrow we continue
04:58
<alkisg>
MarconM: do you want me to check with remote support?
04:58
<MarconM>
ok ... sleep
04:58
alkisg:
04:58
remote ... like ?
04:58
aamy
04:58* alkisg is a sysadmin that helps 1000+ schools in greece..
04:59
<alkisg>
!vnc-dide
04:59
<ltsp>
vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
04:59
<MarconM>
ok
04:59
<vagrantc>
wow
04:59
MarconM: well, i gotta go too... good luck!
04:59* alkisg waves to vagrantc
05:00* vagrantc waves to alkisg
05:00
<vagrantc>
alkisg: tag-team, practically :)
05:00
<alkisg>
:)
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05:01
<MarconM>
alkisg: its u
05:01
@.@
05:01
<alkisg>
MarconM: yup
05:01* MarconM hide on the bed
05:01
<alkisg>
Put the pass there, don't tell it to me
05:03
MarconM: you have one network card and a router?
05:03
<MarconM>
just one
05:03
card
05:03
<alkisg>
What is 192.168.1.1?
05:03
Isn't that your router?
05:05
See? That's your broadband router there in firefox
05:05
So, you have 2 dhcp servers. The first is the router, the second is the ltsp server.
05:05
The network won't work correctly with 2 dhcp servers, you need to disable one of them
05:06
Do you want me to disable the dhcp server in ltsp?
05:06
<MarconM>
but ... i installed edubuntu and works perfectly
05:06
ubuntu alternatives works too
05:06
alkisg:
05:06
one question
05:07
why on 32bits installation
05:07
the files pxelinux.0
05:07
are missing
05:07
its a bug
05:07
<alkisg>
They shouldn't be missing, and it's easily fixable
05:07
I don't know if it's a bug or something you did
05:07
<MarconM>
nope
05:07
alkisg: ubuntu server 64
05:07
works ... 14.10
05:08
ubuntu server 14.10 32bits
05:08
<alkisg>
MarconM: let's start with you deciding what you want
05:08
All can be made to work
05:08
<MarconM>
same conf... dont
05:08
<alkisg>
Decide what you want first
05:08
What is your client cpu? Pentium 4?
05:08
<MarconM>
this server ll be on my on my work
05:08
and there dont have dhcp server
05:09
just ltsp ...so ... will work
05:09
<alkisg>
It's very easy to switch from having a dhcp server to not having one
05:09
Don't worry to much
05:09
But decide what you want first
05:09
Do you want ubuntu, do you want debian, do you want 64 bit or 32 bit...
05:09
<MarconM>
alkisg: coz .. here has a lot of stuff working
05:09
with dhcp
05:09
alkisg: at work .. the machine are 32
05:09
but .. i cant setup coz .. thi error
05:10
<alkisg>
You can put 32bit in the server too
05:10
<MarconM>
yes ... but
05:10
i installed a lot of times
05:10
i did the same config
05:10
and the files are missing
05:10
<alkisg>
Come here and we'll troubleshoot it
05:10
Don't worry
05:10
<MarconM>
ok
05:10
i did
05:10
last 4 days
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05:10
<alkisg>
What are your client CPU? Pentium 3? Pentium 4?
05:11
<MarconM>
celerom 1.8
05:11
1gb ram
05:11
<alkisg>
Then do this:
05:11
<MarconM>
i ll up to 4gb
05:11
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
05:11
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
05:11
<MarconM>
ok
05:11
<alkisg>
Use the ubuntu-mate 14.04.2 CD
05:11
Or debian jessie
05:11
Any of those two will work fine
05:12
<MarconM>
ok ...
05:12
this is debian jessie
05:12
<alkisg>
If you use debian jessie, use mate-desktop
05:12
<MarconM>
ok
05:12
lxde ?
05:12
<alkisg>
It's ok too
05:12
<MarconM>
ok
05:12
<alkisg>
If you like it, it works fine with ltsp
05:12
<MarconM>
hey alkisg
05:12
<alkisg>
Just don't use gnome3 or unity or kde
05:12
<MarconM>
what do u think is the "bug"
05:13
<alkisg>
On what distro/version did you see the bug?
05:13
<MarconM>
i ll show something
05:13
<alkisg>
Ubuntu 14.10?
05:13
<MarconM>
ubuntu alternative 32
05:13
<alkisg>
What version?
05:13
<MarconM>
lubuntu 14.10
05:13
kubuntu
05:13
<alkisg>
We don't really test non-LTS versions
05:13
<MarconM>
ubuntu server
05:13
<alkisg>
Use 12.04 or 14.04
05:13
<MarconM>
yes
05:13
i did
05:13
<alkisg>
Don't use 14.10
05:15
<MarconM>
ok
05:15
http://imagebin.ca/v/1wnRWM2fkGEO
05:15
lubuntu <
05:15
i think i ll use debian jessie
05:16
with lxde
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<alkisg>
The image doesn't help because it doesn't show the error
05:17
<MarconM>
alkisg: some files are missing
05:17
<alkisg>
Yes I see, but I don't see why
05:17
<MarconM>
pxelinux.0 pxelinux.cfg gpxelinux.0
05:17
<alkisg>
E.g. ltsp-update-kernels would tell you why
05:17
The error is important, not the result
05:17
<MarconM>
is not taling this files
05:17
taking*
05:18
<alkisg>
MarconM: anyway, if you want help, ping me when you have the installation ready to troubleshoot it
05:19
<MarconM>
alkisg: ok
05:19
thanks for u help
05:19
now i ll sleep
05:19
to late here
05:19
<alkisg>
Bye
05:19
<MarconM>
alkisg: one question ...
05:19
can i isntall 2 desk
05:19
like .. mate and lxde ?
05:19
or i must install just one
05:20
<alkisg>
Install one, it's better
05:20
<MarconM>
ok
05:20
<alkisg>
In some cases you'll have multiple services running
05:20
Which is bad for ram and stability
05:20
06:00<MarconM> anyone there ? 06:04<alkisg> I'm here! 06:04 !ask 06:04<ltsp`> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
05:20
That was 3 days ago...
05:20
I answered but you left :)
05:20
http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2015-03-30
05:21
So, wait more when you come here and ask questions
05:21
<MarconM>
i was freaking out
05:21
firt ... i installed following a tutorial .. ubuntu alternative
05:21
works perfectly
05:21
<alkisg>
Use the ltsp-pnp tutorial
05:22
<MarconM>
ok
05:22
!ltsp-pnp
05:22
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
05:22
<MarconM>
alkisg: will work on debian jessie ?
05:22
ppa ?
05:23
<alkisg>
See https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
05:23
There's a paragraph about "Installing LTSP using the LTSP-PNP method"
05:23
The first ltsp-pnp how-to is for Ubuntu, and this one is for debian
05:24
<MarconM>
Ahhh ok
05:24
tomorrow .. i ll study
05:24
both =D
05:24
alkisg: thanku so much
05:24
see u later
05:24
<alkisg>
You're welcome, bb
05:25
<MarconM>
:)
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05:27
<highvoltage>
u
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12:34
<MarconM>
morning :)
12:35
!ping
12:35
<ltsp>
pong
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14:54
<championofcyrodi>
so... i think my users are having issues with fat clients being left on over night, and failing to reconnect to the nbd server when they log in the next morning.
14:55
this is verbatim from the user: Same problem this morning: Pidgin suddenly closes, no error message. Any click on Thunderbird will then close that too, no message. Chrome continues working as normal. Ubuntu file search doesn't work (returns nothing). top in console doesn't work - command not recognized. Attempt to restart leaves machine hanging on background screen. Have to hard-reset by holding the NUC button to reboot. Ev
14:55
sounds to me like the nbd client is only running off cache
14:55
and with some of it missing, is failing
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15:18
<j___>
hello
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15:37
<alkisg>
championofcyrodi: nbd doesn't support reconnections good, so if it disconnects for a few seconds over night then it will have the symptoms you said
15:37
If you want more stability, try xnbd or aoe
15:37
or nfs
15:42
<championofcyrodi>
thanks
15:43
<alkisg>
Note that other things also have stability issues though, so you might want to check your network first...
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15:46
<J____>
Trying to run PiNet and am running into an issue with init-ltsp : error is that /sbin/init-ltsp no directory. all files are located in /root/rofs
15:49
<alkisg>
J____: Try to come when gbaman is here
15:55
<championofcyrodi>
the network consists of 9 diff switches trunked w/ 10gbps fiber across two buildings. the server is in building A while the clients are in building B. the backbone between the two buildings is also 10Gbps. everything seems to run fine on a fresh boot of a client. apparently after 'awhile' it can have issues. i'll talk to our network monitor guru and see if he is seeing over-saturation of the 1Gbps NIC on the server.
15:56
maybe packet loss...
15:56
<alkisg>
Maybe the cleaning lady just removes a switch to put the vacuumn cleaner... :D
15:56
(it happened here, it took them 2 weeks to pinpoint that :D)
16:03
<vagrantc>
alkisg: did you see that jessie+1 will probably have to drop straight NFS support to use upstream's "overlay" fs?
16:04
or get overlay+NFS to work between now and then...
16:04
<alkisg>
vagrantc: no i didn't, what do you mean "drop nfs"!?!!!
16:04
What does nfs have to do with overlays?
16:06
<vagrantc>
overlayfs in the kernel is incompatible with nfs
16:07
though interestingly enough, overlay+squashfsimage+nfs works fine
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<alkisg>
Ah you don't mean "drop nfs", just that the in-kernel overlay doesn't work over nfs...
16:08
So we'll have issues with ltsp...
16:08
OK then you may switch debian to nbd too, to align with ubuntu, it was about time to sync those 2 distros :)
16:09
<MarconM>
Hi
16:09
Morning
16:09
<alkisg>
No more ldm/ltsp differences between them :D
16:09
<MarconM>
alkisg: Hey \o
16:09
<alkisg>
Hello
16:09
<MarconM>
!ping
16:09
<ltsp>
pong
16:09
<vagrantc>
ldm is the same for a couple ubuntu releases now
16:10
<MarconM>
ltsp: trying ltsp-pnp
16:10
<alkisg>
Yup, I remember :)
16:10
(vagrantc)
16:10
It would be good to align ltsp too
16:10
<vagrantc>
alkisg: given all the stability problems i've heard with NBD, i might want to explore other options
16:10
<alkisg>
vagrantc: xnbd?
16:11
<MarconM>
alkisg: question .. how do u log on my machine using x11vnc
16:11
did*
16:11
<alkisg>
!vnc-dide
16:11
<ltsp>
vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
16:11
<alkisg>
...that way, it's called a reverse vnc connection, google it
16:12
<MarconM>
ok
16:12
<vagrantc>
alkisg: we'll have a year or so to figure it out... jessie release is scheduled for end of month
16:13
<alkisg>
vagrantc: it's possible that overlay will be fixed until then
16:13
And you can always pull aufs, can't you?
16:13
*depend on aufs...
16:13
<vagrantc>
alkisg: kernel team dropped aufs now tht overlayfs is mainline
16:13
<alkisg>
Whoops
16:14
<MarconM>
alkisg: vagrantc why ltsp-update-image dont have "--arch" flag
16:14
its a bug .. version
16:14
<alkisg>
It uses a chroot
16:14
You could have named it however you want
16:14
It's a name, not an arch at that point
16:14
<vagrantc>
ltsp-chroot --arch is a bit misleading ... it should probably be ltsp-chroot --chroot
16:15
<MarconM>
ltsp-update-image --arch i386
16:15
ltsp-build-client --arch i386
16:15
<alkisg>
ltsp-build-client => what arch?
16:15
ltsp-update-image => which chroot?
16:15
You can have 10 chroots of the same arch
16:15
<MarconM>
'-'
16:15
really
16:15
alkisg: a bit confuse with chroot
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<vagrantc>
the default chroot name is the arch
16:17
so they are often the same
16:17
but not always
16:17
<alkisg>
ltsp-build-client does have a --chroot option if you want to name it
16:17
E.g. suppose you need /opt/ltsp/i386 and /opt/ltsp/i386-with-nvidia-drivers
16:18
<vagrantc>
i've often had multiple releases of the same arch ... /opt/ltsp/i386-wheezy /opt/ltsp/i386-jessie
16:19
<MarconM>
aaaa ok
16:20
ho this work ... exemplo
16:20
i want debian whezzu and jessie
16:20
<vagrantc>
ltsp-build-client --dist wheezy --arch i386 --chroot i386-wheezy
16:21
ltsp-build-client --dist jessie --arch i386 --chroot i386-jessie
16:21
<MarconM>
cool
16:21
<vagrantc>
if i'm remembering correctly ... been a while
16:21
<MarconM>
vagrantc: if i want to install just the minimal server
16:21
like ... no xorg
16:21
and do that just on chroot for jessie
16:21
will owork ?
16:21
work
16:23
<vagrantc>
for fat clients, sure. for thin clients, the server needs to have ldm-server installed.
16:24
<MarconM>
ahh ok
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17:57
<s_lisei>
hi =)
17:57
sorry to disturb you all
17:58
but i'm a bloody noob with a question
17:58
is there someone i can trouble with it? :D
17:59
pretty please? :>
18:01
<elias_a>
ask!
18:02
<s_lisei>
yes! thanks!
18:02
i am trying to access my university's terminal server to use SPSS
18:02
and i only installed ubuntu last week
18:03
and now when i click the SPSS icon on the terminal server, i only get code
18:03
(bloody noob that i am, i'm used for the program to just pop open and work... )
18:03
<elias_a>
Terminal server = LTSP installation?
18:03
<s_lisei>
so ... i thought i could install ltsp ... would that help?
18:04
no it's a citrix terminal server, which worked all by itself when i still had windows
18:04
<elias_a>
s_lisei: I think you've got the whole concept of LTSP wrong.
18:04
<s_lisei>
ouch :D
18:04
thanks anyway!
18:05
i'll google some more and then cry myself to sleep :D
18:05
<vagrantc>
citrix isn't supported in ltsp out of the box
18:05
but in theory it could be added easily enough
18:05
<elias_a>
LTSP = a kind of a terminal server :)
18:06
<s_lisei>
haha cheers! i think you just safed me half an hour, smart internet people!
18:06
<vagrantc>
we're only as smart as the smartest of us :)
18:07
<elias_a>
s_lisei: But as you say you've installed linux lately, your problem is "is (or how is) citrix supported on x" (x is your distro)
18:07
<ogra_>
s_lisei, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CitrixICAClientHowTo perhaps ?
18:07
<elias_a>
That seems legit. :)
18:08
<s_lisei>
ogra_: thanks!
18:09
thank you guys and gals! you're cool!
18:09
do you often have to deal with technically challenged people? ^^
18:11
<vagrantc>
people of all skill levels ... some we're better to help than others :)
18:16
<elias_a>
s_lisei: I am techically really challenging.
18:16
I break _everything_.
18:16
That's why I use open source. Better support, better documentation. :P
18:17
And that's why I came back to this channel after a break.
18:17
Hi there, dudes!
18:18
<s_lisei>
:D :D
18:18
may i ask one more probably really dumb thing?
18:29
<elias_a>
Shoot!
18:29
<vagrantc>
!ask | echo s_lisei
18:29
<ltsp>
s_lisei ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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18:35
<s_lisei>
sry sry sry
18:36
i had troubles with the tutorial ogra_ postet and i wanted to ask something about it, but i just tried it on my mum's laptop and it works, so i'll just use hers ^^
18:36
but thanks anyway :D
18:36
you're all very accommodating!
18:43
not a good server for idle chit chat, hey? ^^
18:43
<vagrantc>
a little here and there, but mostly stuff sticks to the topic :)
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<vagrantc>
oh. i didn't know i had that. cool.
18:45
thankfully never need to use it.
18:45
<s_lisei>
that's for kicking and banning users, right?
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18:46
<vagrantc>
yeah
18:47
<s_lisei>
:> i'll be good and shut up then
18:47
<vagrantc>
there are a few other channels where moderation tends to be needed.
18:47
oh, you're fine :)
18:47
i was just idly wondering if i had the ability to gain op.
18:50
<s_lisei>
chch
18:51
i've been to one of those a few years ago... the op had an extra bot which displayed messages when people got kicked
18:51
.. it happened a lot
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19:35
<drozek123>
Can anyone tell me how to disable a video output from showing up under xrandr?
19:35
<s_lisei>
k, thanks again ... bye =)
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<drozek123>
I want to completely disable that video output
20:09
<Hyperbyte>
Let me guess... LVDS
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