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Channel log from 7 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<isojussi>
is there some general problems with local printer in ltsp5 and 8.04?
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printers stopped to work after upgrading
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<Appiah>
upgrading to what?
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<isojussi>
from 7.10 to 8.04
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telent 192.168.1.7:9100
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oops
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<dmarkey>
!stgraber-ppa
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<ltspbot>
dmarkey: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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<dmarkey>
stgraber: hello
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<EXP__>
i have ltsp5 and ubuntu 8.04. since i upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 my printers that are connected to clients
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and now they don 't work anymore
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in lts.conf i have PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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<alkisg>
Yeah!!! Reporting that dnsmasq-2.48test9 works fine as a proxydhcp server, i.e. now I can have my cheap router (or windows server etc) acting as a dhcp server, and the ltsp-server only sending a fake dhcp offer with the boot-filename and next-server.
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Tried with 4 pxe-enabled NICs and with gpxe, all worked fine.
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No more dhcpd.conf for me :)
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<din_os>
alkisg: that sounds useful, a dependency should be on the way there... DHCP server troubleshooting is a major pain in many configurations
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<oifzhozh>
Hi
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<GuilhermeCunha>
hi
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mouse usb with scroll not running on
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ii ltsp-server 0.99debian11 Basic LTSP server environment
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ii ltsp-server-standalone 0.99debian11 Complete LTSP server environment
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my lts.conf is here
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http://paste.ubuntu.com/146356/
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<dmarkey>
stgraber: hey, you around?
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<tadeu_>
guys, i'm setting up a LTS but i already have a DHCP server in my network, can i set the root-path and filename in this server ? pointing to my LTS
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<Nubae>
yes, just one dhcp server needed per network
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<oifzhozh>
+1 :p
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<tadeu_>
so i don't need a DHCP server in my LST, right ?
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<oifzhozh>
But your DHCP must be recent
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<Nubae>
nope, doing that will make everything fail, its important to have just one
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<tadeu_>
good
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and how i configure my DHCP to indicate my LTS ?
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about root-path and filename
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<ogra>
next-server
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<tadeu_>
nice
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<GuilhermeCunha>
http://paste.ubuntu.com/146356/
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usb mouse + scroll working with ltsp?
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<tadeu_>
ogra, i read somethings about that but it was not clear.. thanks
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<tadeu_>
i'll try it
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<tadeu_>
the DHCP issue is solved.. thank you
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<tadeu_>
wich gui to manage clients you recommend ? i'm using debian
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<ZRQH>
<tadeu_> wich gui to manage clients you recommend ? i'm using debian <<= i'm interested too
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<alkisg>
italc
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<tadeu_>
alkisg, thanks, i'll try it
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<ZRQH>
It's not dedicated to ltsp i see
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<alkisg>
No, but it's quite well integrated with ltsp in ubuntu. In debian it requires a little manual handling while installing... key etc.
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*keys (ssh)
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<ball>
Are LTSP terminals generally netbooted?
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<alkisg>
stgraber: jaunty-recently updated: /etc/resolv.conf in clients has no mode bits set: ---------- 1 root root 44 2009-04-07 22:07 /etc/resolv.conf
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So localapps (running as a normal user - e.g. vlc) cannot read the file
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That happens whether SEARCH_DOMAIN/DNS_SERVER are set in lts.conf or not.
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<vagrantc>
ball: pretty much exclusively.
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<ball>
vagrantc: Oh good. They run without swap?
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<vagrantc>
ball: with enough ram. these days, at least 128MB of ram is probably what you want to run without swap.
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<ball>
Oh good, that's easily achievable here.
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Is NFS required?
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<Lumiere>
yes
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unless they really moved away from it for the root fs
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<vagrantc>
ball: on debian, default is NFS, ubuntu defaults to using NBD
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not sure on other distros
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<ball>
Hmm... okay.
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<ball>
I'll try to read more about it later then.
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Thanks a lot for your help
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<elias>
I have a weird problem with LOCALDEVs
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USB jumpdrives, which work on the server, don't work on the thinclient
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same problem I am having with the built in and linux capable SD card reader
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any ideas
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<vagrantc>
!release
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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<vagrantc>
elias: ^^
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elias: might have to do with unusual partition tables on the device(s)
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<elias>
vagrantc: ubuntu intrepid
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<vagrantc>
elias: do any devices work?
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<elias>
vagrantc: yes, my usb drives work
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vagrantc: let me check the partition table of a device which is not working. one moment
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primary w95 fat19 lba
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<Memfis>
#evening all.
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<elias>
vagrantc: I can mount it by hand, when plugged into the server. However, gnome seems to have a problem with it too (while it needs to be mentioned that I try to mount the usb-drive-on-server from nautilus running on the thin-client)
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vagrantc: any more ideas?
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<vagrantc>
elias: sorry
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hopefully someone else will...
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<Memfis>
Evening, has anyone managed to get dual displays working with ltsp5? Only thing I can find on google is a mention of a pdf from disklessworkstations that doesn't exist anymore.
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<elias>
Memfis: never tried
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<Memfis>
No one seams to have :)
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<elias>
how can I make LOCALDEVs work for everybody, without the need to add people to the fuse group?
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<Memfis>
whats wrong with adding people to the fuse group? We did.
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<elias>
Memfis: I am not the one who creates new users and I would need to make sure people are added automatically at least, as the person adding users is non-technical.
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<Memfis>
afaik users I've added since where added to fuse. I can check later for you tho.
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<elias>
what about the plugdev group? is that still in use?
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<vagrantc>
elias: you can probably use libpam-group to add everybody to the fuse group
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<vagrantc>
ltspfs uses the fuse group
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<Memfis>
you might be right. Just checked a user I created earlier and I don't think they are in the fuse group. I cant test until one of the terminals is free.
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<elias>
but users still need to be in that group, right?
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<Memfis>
to use localdev afaik yes. (but I'll check later)
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<alkisg>
elias: gnome users-admin keeps the default groups there: /etc/gnome-system-tools/users/profiles
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<elias>
do you know, does the gnome user admin util user the adduser command? ergo does it respect the config files for adduser?
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<Memfis>
dunno, I've always added users/groups by cli.
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<elias>
alkisg: which groups do I need for audio and localdevs?
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<Memfis>
audio for audio & fuse for localdevs. thats all I see in my setup (ltsp5 - XUbuntu Jaunty)
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maybe pulse.
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sorry, you wheren't asking me.
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<elias>
Memfis: does not seem necessary, as nobody is in that group, but my sound is working
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<alkisg>
I don't think users-admin respects the adduser defaults (adduser.conf). And I don't think adduser respects the useradd defaults (login.defs). But I'm new to linux, can't say for sure.
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<elias>
alkisg: gnome does only seem to respect the config file you mentioned earlier
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thank you for that
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I have two admin groups in my setup here, don't know why
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<elias>
can somebody with a clean install check the admin goups gid for me
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in ubuntu that is
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<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "jaunty /etc/gnome-system-tools/users/profiles" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/299
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<alkisg>
elias: ^^^
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<elias>
alkisg: I have that, tnx
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can you paste me a: grep admin /etc/group
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<alkisg>
getent group admin: 117
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I don't think that's standard, though...
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<elias>
jaunty?
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<alkisg>
yes
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<elias>
have one 119, and one 114
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should not matter anyways
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is only for sudo, isn't it
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<Memfis>
mines 120, but it was upgraded from 8.10
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<elias>
and that does go by name not gid
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<elias>
I am in the admin group, but the unlock button is not active in user-admin
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<alkisg>
Some notes about these groups - but not all of them (ubuntu specific): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/DevicePermissions
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<Lns>
elias: you have 2 admin groups in /etc/group?
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<elias>
Lns: yes, I suppose that happend, when I moved my users and groups from debian
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no idea
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<Lns>
elias: that's your issue most likely
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get rid of the one you migrated from debian
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<elias>
Lns: no idea which one it is
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Lns: should not matter anyways
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<Lns>
uhm, yes it does..?
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<elias>
Lns: This system has a long migration history
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<Lns>
elias: admin:x:115: for me (hardy install)
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<elias>
Lns: why, no files belong to the admin group
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<Lns>
elias: the admin group does more than file permissions
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<elias>
Lns: admin group has a different gid for everybody
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Lns: sudo
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Lns: but only by name not gid
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Lns: so it should not matter
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<Lns>
elias: ok..if you say so. Duplicate groups causes major issues... i'll let you figure it out though ;)
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<elias>
Lns: I don't see the gid actually stored anywhere. Do you?
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Lns: Except for in the group file
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<Lns>
elias: no offense but you need to think logically. Just get rid of the duplicate group, log out, log back in, make sure you're a part of the ubuntu created admin group, and try again.
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elias: i've experienced this issue in the past via migrations.
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<elias>
I'll try a reboot
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<Lns>
what's that going to fix?
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<ltsp>
xD
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<elias>
Lns: after removing one group
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I renamed a group, but the system did not seem to care. It did still remember the group by its old name. Therefore I will reboot after change.
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<dmarkey>
stgraber: hello
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<jammcq>
hola
17:32* vagrantc waves
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<Lns>
that spam can guy is never around when i need to ask him something =p
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<Memfis>
Evening, has anyone managed to get dual displays working with ltsp5? Only thing I can find on google is a mention of a pdf from disklessworkstations that doesn't exist anymore.
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<stgraber>
dmarkey: hi
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<dmarkey>
stgraber: gotta sec?
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i need your expertise
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<davidj2>
rjune_: ping
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rjune: ping
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jammcq: hola!
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<stgraber>
dmarkey: sure
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dmarkey: if you want to avoid the delay between my answers, just ask your question :)
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<dmarkey>
stgraber: i need a USB solution for LTSP using rdesktop
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<jammcq>
davidj2: hey
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<davidj2>
How are things?
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<jammcq>
things are good
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<dmarkey>
stgraber: was looking at http://usbmount.alioth.debian.org/
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<stgraber>
dmarkey: what's wrong with latest ltspfs implementation ?
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do you need something more than seeing your usb keys in windows as network share ?
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(and cd-rom too)
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<stgraber>
(that function hasn't been really advertised though I admit)
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<dmarkey>
stgraber: i dont know much about ltspfs, and can i put it into a debian chroot?
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<stgraber>
not sure for Debian but it works with Ubuntu and I believe vagrantc uploaded a ltspfs similar to Ubuntu's
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<dmarkey>
and how des it work, userspace daemon that watched for udev events?
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does*
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<stgraber>
basically you need to have both ltspfsd and ltspfs in the chroot, then add a rdesktop parameter to map /media to a network mountpoint in Windows
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it uses the same magic as for regular Linux localdevs
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that's udev and a few scripts
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<dmarkey>
any vfat sync issues?
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<stgraber>
shouldn't be (wasn't reported any yet)
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<dmarkey>
and will the mount dissapear as soon as the usb key is pulled?
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<stgraber>
yes
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<dmarkey>
ltspfsd ltspfs_mount ltspfs_umount ltsp-genmenu ltsp-localappsd
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i seem to have those in my chroot
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<stgraber>
dpkg -l | grep ltspfs
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<dmarkey>
ltspfsd 0.5.9-1
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<stgraber>
ok so you'd need ltspfs too
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<dmarkey>
ltspfs ltspfsd ltspfs_mount ltspfsmounter ltspfs_umount ltsp-genmenu ltsp-localappsd
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what other amendments do i make to activate it?
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<stgraber>
you should be good with that and something like: "-r disk:disk=/media/root/ -r sound:local -x l" as RDP_OPTIONS
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<dmarkey>
why do i need both ltspfsd and ltspfs
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<stgraber>
ltspfsd is the one doing the detection of your usb key, ltspfs is the one that's mounting it in /media/
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<dmarkey>
and how does ltspfs know to mount the key?
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<stgraber>
some xprop magic IIRC (we tend to like that way of communicating)
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<dmarkey>
i dont see any udev entries
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ok, i'll see if it works tomorrow
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stgraber: thanks for your help
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<stgraber>
np
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<dmarkey>
LTSP doesnt seem to be much interested in rdesktop based deployments?
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<stgraber>
dmarkey: I have done a few, works fine and Gadi did some too
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<dmarkey>
cool
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talk soon
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<tracke_>
hi all
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I get problem with my ltsp
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any body can help me???
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<rjune_>
davidj2: pong
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<vagrantc>
!question
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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<vagrantc>
tracke_: ^^
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<Ryan52>
tracke_: please keep /msg-ing in the channel....
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tracke_: it's rude and annoying to /msg
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(without asking first)
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tracke_: especially when I wasn't even talking to you in channel, it just doesn't make sense..
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tracke_: no, I won't help you, because you continue to /msg me instead of reading what I'm writing here.
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=P
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<tracke_>
in my client comp. i have get IP from server, then out the error
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TFTP.
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PXE-T01 : file not found
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PXE-E3B : TFTP error - file not found
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PXR-M0F:Exiting intel PXE ROM
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what, Imust doing now to correct my problem
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23:06* vagrantc found a neoware thinstar thin-client today ...
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<vagrantc>
how well does a geode 300MHz proc perform?
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it's only got 32MB of ram, but looks like it'll take so-dimm or sdram
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<tracke_>
why with ddram
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