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Channel log from 8 June 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<germancho>
please i have un eror
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error
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it is un fail en ltsp
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the error is
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ltsp /tmp/info read-only file system
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please help
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<TyphoidHippo>
Hello, everyone.
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<meeces2911>
PXE-E11 error
06:48
anyone know anything about it ??
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<estong_>
tftpd-hpa does not seem to like /var/lib/tftpboot, right?
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<ogra>
its what ubuntu and debian default to so it better should, else lots of users would complain ;)
07:55
<estong_>
castaway's findings on ltsp5 still holds on my install today - "workstation will connect only intermittently -- or never again"
07:55
workstation will hang, dispensing a "cannot find file" error.
07:56
"error is a result of NFS timing-out because it has lost the location of the kernel file that is to be copied to the workstation"
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and finally he says, "In summary, although LTSP 5 is included in Etch, installation bugs prove it is still unstable experimental software. LTSP 5 is best left for expert use.
07:56
"
07:56
obviously, i am not an ltsp expert.
07:58
the NFS issue has not been resolved, right?
08:01
<boxrock>
anyone have pointers to how i can get flash sound working on client vs. playing client audio on server?
08:02
<Guaraldo>
boxrock: Find for PulseAudio...
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<manuberro>
hi
08:19
Is there something special to do to use scanners with ltsp5?
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<Guaraldo>
manuberro: I never heard that's possible... Gadi?
08:22
<Gadi>
manuberro: you would need to set it up by hand, but it is of course possible
08:22
<manuberro>
It was working with ltsp4.2
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<Gadi>
its not an option by default
08:23
<manuberro>
is there documentation somewhere?
08:23
<Gadi>
but, chroot apt-get install netkit-inetd sane
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then read: man sane to learn how to make scanners available to the network
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its all in the sane documentation
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<manuberro>
thanks, I try this now
08:25
<Gadi>
you just want to run sane from inetd on the thin client
08:25
so if the server connects to the saned port, saned will start on the thin client and serve up the scanner
08:27
<manuberro>
except netkit-inetd, I had already activated sane to work with network
08:27
but I use xinetd. Is this usable ?
08:29
scanimage -L show my scanner on the client console
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<Gadi>
manuberro: by default, the chroot uses neither
08:29
if you are on ubuntu/debian, prolly better to use inetd (as this is the standard and in the main repository)
08:30
you will also need to add "sane-port 6566/tcp" to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/services
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<manuberro>
I have activated a sane-port file in /etc/xinetd.d/ and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/services
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(soory, I'm on Ubuntu feisty)
08:31
<Gadi>
the /etc/xinetd.d/ is irrelevant
08:31
<manuberro>
should nmap show the open port ?
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<Gadi>
you want saned to start *on the thin client*
08:31
not on the server
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<manuberro>
sorry, I do all this actions on the chroot
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<Gadi>
the only thing the server needs is a frontend to sane
08:32
ah, ok
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yeah, everything in the chroot
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then, on the server you just need to tell sane to connect to the thin client
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I used to do this by setting SANE_NET_HOSTS to the thin client IP on login
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<manuberro>
/etc/sane.d/saned.conf allready modified
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to integrate client's IP
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should nmap show the open port for sane?
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<Gadi>
no, but you should be able to telnet to the port
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<manuberro>
I try this
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<manuberro>
that's work
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then scanimage on the server should find the scanner, right ?
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<Gadi>
try doing: SANE_NET_HOSTS=<clientIP> xsane
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<manuberro>
no scanner found :(
08:43
which package should I install to have inetd ? I find only xinetd
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<Gadi>
netkit-inetd
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but dont install both at once
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<manuberro>
I'll reinstall to use a clean installation, because lot of try can cause my problem
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<manuberro>
clean install: same problem :(
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<Gadi>
!s
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<rjune>
morning gadi
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<Gadi>
morning, rjune
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<Gadi>
manuberro: try: echo "+" >>/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/sane.d/saned.conf
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<sbalneav>
Hey Gadi
09:20
Say, did you ever publish the sh version of ldm anywhere?
09:23
<Gadi>
launchpad was timing out for me
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let me try again today
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<sbalneav>
Well, or sbalneav@ltsp.org :)
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<manuberro>
Gadi: new installation, folow your instructions, still have same problem
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xsane can't find scanner
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<Gadi>
can you telnet to the port?
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<manuberro>
yes
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<Gadi>
and scanImage on the shell on the client finds the scanner?
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<manuberro>
Oh, no. I was hable on my first test
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yes, scanimage on client find it
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but no telnet now
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<Gadi>
is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/inetd.conf set up?
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you need to add a line to tell it to start saned
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<manuberro>
yes, with : sane stream tcp nowait saned.saned /usr/sbin/saned saned
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/usr/sbin/saned exits and I can start it manually
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telnet -> Connection closed by foreign host
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/etc/init.d/inetd restart says ok
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<Gadi>
try: sane-port stream tcp nowait saned.saned /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/saned
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<manuberro>
shold I restart client or only inetd?
09:36
should
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<manuberro>
client rebooted: no telnet (Connection closed by foreign host)
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I must leave. I'll retry later. Thank you for your help
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bye
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: e-pigeon's aflight
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<sbalneav>
Danka
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<kchiefs>
hello everyone
10:35
i was here yesterday about issues with ltsp 4.2 and slackware...just happy to report i got my problem fixed and LTSP works like a champ on slackware 11.0
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<max_>
Hi all! may I ask a question about mouse (doesn't work!) on LTSP on Ubuntu 7.04?
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<sbalneav>
What type of mouse is it?
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<max_>
it's a PS/2
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It hangs, doesn't move when X starts
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I've in lts.conf "IMPS/2"
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<sbalneav>
Please paste your lts.conf file to the pastebin
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!pastebin
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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<sbalneav>
err pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<max_>
ok...
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sorry, can't connect to pastebot :(
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<sbalneav>
Works for me.
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<max_>
there is just this: X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL="IMPS/2" and X_MOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/input/mice"
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<sbalneav>
Try X_MOUSE_DEVICE=/dev/psaux
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<max_>
ok
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can i just restart X server or reboot the thin client?
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<sbalneav>
I'd reboot the client/
11:17
<max_>
ok
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<andresmujica>
hello !!
11:17
<max_>
hi
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<sbalneav>
Hello
11:18
<andresmujica>
i need some tips to get a bcm4401 ethernet card working as a thin client
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it seems that the current kernel (2.6.20) doesn' t include it
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<sbalneav>
Does it have a driver at all?
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<max_>
it's b44 I think
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b44.ko
11:19
with psaux the mouse doen't work too :(
11:20
<sbalneav>
Does a USB mouse work?
11:20
<max_>
in the /dev ps aux
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(oops
11:20
?ve not an usb mouse here...
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i don't know
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<sbalneav>
Seems like something doesn't like the psaux port.
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<Gadi>
max_: what if you remove the mose device entirely?
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s/mose/mouse/
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and the protocol
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<max_>
do you mean phisically remove? or sw remove ?
11:22
<Gadi>
comment out in lts.conf
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<max_>
ok
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<Gadi>
ltsp5 should autodetect all that
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<max_>
when I started there was no entry for the mouse in lts.conf
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but it doen't worked: so I put that two entry
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entries...
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<Gadi>
are you sure the mouse isnt broken?
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<max_>
I changed it with another one!
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<Gadi>
and its not plugged into the keyboard's PS/2 port?
11:24
<max_>
the keyboard works
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<Gadi>
ok
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<sbalneav>
Have you checked to see if this computer works with a regular linux?
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<max_>
no
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<sbalneav>
i.e. if the mouse works if you boot knoppixs, etc
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<max_>
now there is a win98
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no, I've to try...
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ok, I'll try and tell you
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thanks :9
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: btw, dont try logging in with that dash version - LDM_ASKPASS doesn't work because I'm still attached to the tty
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it'll just hang
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but, you can get the idea of speed to come up from boot
11:29* Gadi likes the idea of an easily scriptable ldm , if it works
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<kchiefs>
i am interested in starting an english language forum for ltsp...any thoughts?
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<max_>
Yes, I started a knoppix and the mouse works
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<Gadi>
max_: in knoppix look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see how the mouse device is called
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<max_>
ok
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"PS/2" on /dev/mouse
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<max_>
Emulate3Buttons
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<Gadi>
yeah, but Ubuntu doesn't use /dev/mouse afaik
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try; ls -l /dev/mouse
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<max_>
yes, but on my lts.conf I had /dev/input/mice
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<sbalneav>
kchiefs: We have the mailing list
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<Gadi>
see if it is a symlink
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<max_>
it's knoppix that uses /dev/mouse
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<Gadi>
right, on knoppix, see if /dev/mouse is a symlink
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<kchiefs>
sbalneav: ok..was just offering since there is not a forum for english but np
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<max_>
it links to psaux
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/dev/psaux
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<Gadi>
ah, so /dev/psaux should have worked
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<max_>
it seems
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: I'm going to push hard this afternoon, and see if I can get a bzr branch up for the C ldm.
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: cool - ur that close?
11:37
<sbalneav>
It won't be fully functional.
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<Gadi>
aw, man!
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<sbalneav>
Well, I have the ssh scripting part mostly done.
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<Gadi>
;)
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ah, I should prolly ask you this:
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<sbalneav>
greeter interaction isn't there yet, so what you'll have to do to test is install the xdialog package under the chroot.
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<Gadi>
would it have helped to just include the libs/headers from ssh directly?
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<sbalneav>
but it'll be something to start people debugging
11:39
Not really, seeing as how our interactions with ssh are purely through a pty.
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the .po's might be useful, but for the login part, I'm manually setting LC_ALL=C
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so that seems workable.
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<Gadi>
gotcha - just thought it might help control the ssh handshake better
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instead of responding to expected questions
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<sbalneav>
yeah, I thought so too, at first.
11:40
we need to get network auth down to the client, then we can just initiate a pam session.
11:40
which will be much easier.
11:40
next time :)
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<Gadi>
pheh
11:40
im anti-pam on client
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<sbalneav>
Really?
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<Gadi>
just as I am anti-cups on client
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<mistik1>
why?
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<Gadi>
adds maintenance where none is required
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<mistik1>
care to elaborate?
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<Gadi>
my client should not have to integrate with a network auth system
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my client should need know nothing about users
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its a piece of hardware connecting to another piece of hardware
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once I add users to it, I open a can of worms
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especially if all I want to do is log in
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I can understand it for local apps, maybe
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but not to log into an application server
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why should I have to configure network auth on the server *and* the client?
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besides, I get all the pam goodness for free from the server when I auth through ssh
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I would just use ssh for everything
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<max_>
Sorry, this is now my lts.conf (the mouse doesn't work) : http://pastebin.4programmers.net/2510
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<mistik1>
when using ssh do we not run into the age old problem of having the auth in the open?
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<Gadi>
mistik1: I dont understand
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if you cant login to the server through ldm, its because pam on the server did not auth the ssh request
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nothing gets copied/passed anywhere
11:49
<mistik1>
Well the ssh keys (if such are in use) are available publicly on the insecure NFS share, are they not?
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<Gadi>
they are not used
11:50
un/pw are collected by ldm
11:50
no ssh keys necessary
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<mistik1>
ok
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<Gadi>
how ya doing, mistik1, btw? :)
11:50
<mistik1>
Well if that's gone now, that solves my biggest roblem with that old method
11:51
Gadi: I'm good, You?
11:51
<gloin>
question: I'm doing a ltsp build on an ubuntu 6.06 box using ltsp-build-client, and would like to build this with a VERY minimal install: no x11, for example. What's the best path to this?
11:51
<Gadi>
good. I keep wondering when ur really on and when ur computer is ;)
11:51* gloin finally sorted out the PXE problems
11:52
<mistik1>
Well that's easy, My computer is always on ;-)
11:52
<Gadi>
gloin: check out: /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/
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its a plugin system
11:52
<gloin>
Gadi: thanks
11:52
<Gadi>
you can ceate ur own
11:52
or remove
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<gloin>
cd: /usr/share/ltsp: No such file or directory
11:53
<Gadi>
what distro?
11:53
<gloin>
ubuntu 6.06
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server
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<Gadi>
locate ltsp-build-client|grep plugins
11:53
ah - it may be an older version?
11:53
not sure
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<gloin>
how would I check?
11:54
no plugins dir, only the file in sbin and the man page
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<Gadi>
hmm
11:55* gloin reckons it's time for dist-upgrade
11:55
<Gadi>
dpkg -l ltsp-server
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mine on feisty is 5.0.7
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<gloin>
0.87
11:56
no, really
11:56
ii ltsp-server 0.87 Basic LTSP server environment
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<Gadi>
yeah, you may want to upgrade
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<gloin>
k
11:57
thanks again and I'll look for that directory later
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<Gadi>
np
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<Thumann>
hi, after changing the ip settings on my server, my diskless clients can't boot using pxe anymore.. i get a TFTP open timeout.. any ideas?
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<sbalneav>
Did you adjust your dhcpd.conf file to reflect the changes in the server's ip?
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<Thumann>
i'm using a windows dhcp server
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adjusted the dhcp options on that one
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root path etc.
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options 17 and 67
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<sbalneav>
I don't know anything about Windows dhcp server. But I'd say you've either got a problem with your dhcp, or you need to restart tftp on the server.
12:02
Heading out for lunch. Be back in an hour.
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<Thumann>
booted both the linux servers and the dhcp service
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<max_>
Now I'm a bit confused about LTSP architecture...
12:05
the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf configuration is used just when starting and connecting to the ltsp server? Right?
12:05
So when I cat /etc/x11/xorg.conf from the thin client I really see the server config..
12:05
Where can I see a log of what happens? In the /opt/ltsp/i386/var/log dir?
12:08
I've to work with the xorg.conf file in /opt/ltsp to have my mouse work? Or just with lts.conf?
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<sbalneav>
max_: The xorg.conf under the /opt/ltsp chroot is what the thin client will see as /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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<jammcq>
huh?
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<max_>
ok, now it's clear
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(I RTFM :) )
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but in that file there are the correct configs for my mouse
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but the mouse is blocked
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just a pointer in the middle of the screen!
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it is /dev/psaux in /opt/.../xorg.conf
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<jammcq>
xorg.conf gets recreated automatically when the workstation boots. it exists only in ram on the workstation
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<max_>
but after the connection I see the server xorg, right?
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<jammcq>
depends on how you are looking
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<sbalneav>
He was a bit confused between /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf, and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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<jammcq>
if you set SCREEN_07 = shell
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<max_>
how can I look at the client xorg?
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<jammcq>
you'll get a shell on the terminal and you can look at the thin client xorg.conf file
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<jammcq>
but if you get into X, and pop open an xterm, you'll be logged into the server at that point
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<sbalneav>
Well, you you can just set a password in the chroot, and ctl-alt-f1, and login
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without touching the lts.conf.
13:15
That will work too.
13:15
Either way is fine.
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<max_>
a password in the chroot?
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I tried SCREEN_01=shell but I get the login on the server
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shell login
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<sbalneav>
On the server, you can try this:
13:17
<max_>
now I'm trying SCREEN_07
13:17
ok, tell me
13:17
<sbalneav>
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
13:17
Then enter in a password.
13:18
<max_>
how can get rid of this passwd after this command?
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<sbalneav>
Now, when you switch to console F1, you can log into the client with userid root, password = whatever
13:18
oh, sorry, that should be sudo chroot....
13:18
<max_>
ok
13:19
<sbalneav>
just edit the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/shadow, and X out the password for root.
13:21
jammcq: Hey, you see that email I forwarded about the hotel room?
13:21
I haven't seen any response from Marlon yet, so I don't know if it's legit.
13:25
<max_>
I started with SCREEN_07=shell and looked at xorg.conf
13:25
there is only the "Section files"
13:25
nothing more
13:26
is this correct?
13:27
<sbalneav>
Well, no. I think it won't rewrite the xorg.conf file unless X starts
13:27
Try back the way it was, and set the password in the chroot.
13:28
<max_>
I started "startx", then killed it and xorg is the same
13:33
<sbalneav>
Have you set the password in the chroot?
13:33
<max_>
yes, now I'm rebooting the client
13:33
<sbalneav>
ok
13:34
<max_>
ok, in shell 1 I get a login
13:34
<sbalneav>
ok
13:34
<max_>
it's a login on to the server?
13:34
<sbalneav>
No
13:34
<max_>
or the client?
13:34
ok
13:34
<sbalneav>
You're logging into the thin client
13:35
<max_>
and which username/pwd I use?
13:35
on screen 7 I get the shell
13:35
<sbalneav>
root, and whatever passsword you used when you set it with the sudo chroot... command I gave you
13:35
<max_>
directly, without "login:"
13:35
ok
13:35
<sbalneav>
No
13:35
<max_>
I'm in
13:35
<sbalneav>
Put the SCREEN_07=ldm or whatever back
13:36
so that X comes up.
13:36
The login prompt will ALWAYS be on tty1, so even if you have X going, you can ctrl-alt-f1 to a login prompt on the client.
13:36
<max_>
yes, sorry... but now I see xorg.conf and tehre is /dev/input/mice
13:37
<sbalneav>
We want X to come up so we can look at the logs, and see if X complained about the mouse.
13:37
<max_>
ok, sorry, I'm restarting...
13:37
:(
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<sbalneav>
No problem.
13:39
<max_>
the client has restarted and I'm watching xorg,conf (now with /dev/psaux in lts.conf and in xorg.conf)
13:40
the mouse is blocked
13:42
<sbalneav>
ok
13:42
<max_>
in /dev are present psaux and input/mice
13:42
<sbalneav>
Did you log in on F1
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13:42
<sbalneav>
?
13:42
<max_>
yes
13:42
<sbalneav>
ok
13:43
well, lets have a look at /proc/interrupts.
13:43
<max_>
ok
13:43
<sbalneav>
lets make sure we haven't got a doubled interrupt
13:43
i.e. psaux is sharing something with another device.
13:44
<max_>
there is no psaux
13:44
timer, i8042, cascade, eth0, parport, rtc, CS46XX, usb1, ideo0, ide1
13:45
<sbalneav>
Well, the i8042 should be the device for the mouse, I beleive
13:45
It on 1?
13:45
<max_>
yes, on 1
13:45
<sbalneav>
ok, seems ok
13:46
take a look at the kernel log with dmesg
13:46
<max_>
ok
13:46
<sbalneav>
see if it mentions anything about the mouse por
13:46
t
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<max_>
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
13:47
<sbalneav>
That's ok
13:47
lsmod | grep psmouse
13:48
<max_>
psmouse 37640 0
13:48
<meduxa>
hi guys, I just sent an e-mail to ltsp mailing list talking about this success story:
13:48
www.reciclared.org
13:48
it is in spanish
13:48
<sbalneav>
Well, the psmouse driver's getting loaded.
13:48
<max_>
I hope to post a mial from italy, from my school :)
13:48
<sbalneav>
hm
13:49
Wonder if we can reset it.
13:49
rmmod psmouse
13:49
should return quietly
13:49
<max_>
done
13:49
reload?
13:49
<sbalneav>
yeah, modprobe psmouse
13:49
<max_>
ok
13:50
modprobebed, switched to F7, none
13:50
<sbalneav>
wierd.
13:50
<max_>
mouse blocked
13:50
:)
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<scout3r>
hey there
13:51
<sbalneav>
I wish you had a usb mouse handy. That way we could narrow down wether this was a problem with the ps2 subsection, or higher up with the input queue, or X.
13:51
<scout3r>
i need some help with local device (pendrive) access
13:51
<max_>
Now I don't have such a mouse
13:51
AH, NO!
13:52
I can find it
13:52
<sbalneav>
Ah, cool
13:52
<max_>
just a minute
13:52
<sbalneav>
Sure.
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<sbalneav>
scout3r: What's your problem?
13:52
<max_>
I'm going to a frined of mine :)
13:52
<sbalneav>
hey ogra!
13:52
<ogra>
yo
13:53
<scout3r>
sbalneav: i've installed etch and used ltsp-build-client to make the chroot environment and after that i used the localmedia wiki from ltsp.org, and i used the autofs mount scripts
13:53* ogra just tires to do the same nifty stuff he did with squashfs yesterday with nfs now ...
13:53
<sbalneav>
ok, so if I have a source tree already, what's the cmd to bzrify it?
13:53
<ogra>
but nfs just oppses :/
13:53
<scout3r>
the thin client can boot up, i can login, use apps, so the core is working, but i cant mount usb devices
13:54
when i plug one in nothing happens
13:54
<sbalneav>
Which page did you reference?
13:54
<scout3r>
sbalneav: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia
13:55
<sbalneav>
That's all ltsp 4.x stuff
13:55
None of it will work with LTSP5 in Debian
13:55
<scout3r>
etch using 5.0?
13:55
<sbalneav>
yep
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<scout3r>
ah, i couldnt figure it out
13:55
<sbalneav>
dpkg -l | grep ltsp on the server
13:55
<scout3r>
can you give me a link on a howto to setup this stuff on 5.0?
13:56
sbalneav: ii ltsp-server 0.99debian11 Basic LTSP server environment
13:56
<sbalneav>
Well, you shouldn't NEED to set it up on 5.0
13:56
ogra: On debian, does the ltspfs stuff install automatically like it does on Ubuntu?
13:56
<rjune>
Well, I have Ubuntu 7.04, getting ready to load it now.
13:56
<scout3r>
so it should work out of the box?
13:57
<ogra>
sbalneav, i dont think so
13:57
<max_>
IT WORKS! USB works. But why PS/2 doesn't?
13:57
<sbalneav>
max_: :) Cool
13:57
<rjune>
becuase USB is the better standard?
13:57
<max_>
maybe..
13:57
<sbalneav>
Now we know that it's just something odd between your kernel and the PS/2 port.
13:58
<max_>
ok
13:58
<sbalneav>
scout3r: Did you install ltsp-server, or ltsp-server-standalone?
13:58
<scout3r>
standalon version
13:58
+e
13:58
<sbalneav>
hm
13:58
<scout3r>
it was a clean install, right from the etch dvds
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<sbalneav>
aptitude search ltspfs
13:59
<scout3r>
nothing was found
13:59
<sbalneav>
wow
13:59
That doesn't seem right.
13:59
<scout3r>
i guess its strange then
13:59
<sbalneav>
hm
14:00
the fellow you want to talk to is vagrantc
14:00
he's responsible for LTSP in Debian Etch.
14:00
<scout3r>
thank you; by the way here is my source lists, if it helps a bit
14:00
deb http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ etch main
14:00
deb-src http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ etch main
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<sbalneav>
Hmm, wonder if they didn't get ltspfs in in time for etch, and it's in Sid.
14:01
Got a sid box around?
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<scout3r>
nope, just this etch
14:02
in which ubuntu version is ltsp 5.0 in?
14:02
<sbalneav>
go the the debian packaes search page, and see if ltspfs is in Sid.
14:02
5.04 is when it first appeared.
14:02
But 7.04's the latest and greatest
14:03
<plug>And if you install Edubuntu, the LTSP chroot's included automatically</plug> :)
14:03
<scout3r>
it is in lenny
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<sbalneav>
Ah, ok
14:03
so looks like vagrantc didn't get it in time for etch.
14:03
<scout3r>
i want to install a thin client environment in a production environment, thats why i want to go with debian
14:04
<sbalneav>
I've got a whole province full of production environments. All running Ubuntu.
14:04
+ some Debian.
14:04
<scout3r>
which version of ubuntu?
14:04
<sbalneav>
Edgy Eft, mostly
14:04
Some Feisty
14:04
<scout3r>
im a bit afraid
14:05
if i have to install ubuntu then LTS only, so 6.06
14:05
<sbalneav>
You won't get localdevices with that version.
14:05
<scout3r>
but i bet it doesnt have ltsp 5.0
14:05
<sbalneav>
but other than that is does worl
14:05
work
14:05
<scout3r>
so what do you suggest?
14:05
maybe go with lenny?
14:06
or just get that single package for etch?
14:06
<sbalneav>
Well, *I'd* suggest Ubuntu, but that's just me.
14:06
I guess it depends on what you need.
14:06
<scout3r>
well, a stable system serving maybe 10-20 clients
14:07
<sbalneav>
Well, seeing as how it doesn't COST you anything to try anything, why not try both Debian Lenny, and Ubuntu Feisty?
14:07
Race 'em, see how they compare.
14:07
<gloin>
14:07
<scout3r>
youve got the piont
14:08
<gonzaloaf_work>
hi, I use ltsp 4.2, why does sometimes I see some client connected to the system with the w command?
14:08
<max_>
Sorry, I found where the problem is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/108221
14:08
<sbalneav>
All you're gonna lose is some time :)
14:08
<scout3r>
and what if i install the ltspfs package under etch by hand?
14:08
sure sbalneav :)
14:09
<max_>
There's a nasty bug affecting computers with a SiS chipset : PS/2 mouse does not work with kernel 2.6.20
14:09
<sbalneav>
Give it a try
14:09
It just might work :)
14:09
you could always do an apt-get source, grab the source for ltspfs in Lenny, then just compile it on an etch box.
14:09
that'll work for sure.
14:10
max_: Well, there you go.
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<sbalneav>
max_: This a big deployment? Any chance you could just buy some usb mice?
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14:11
<max_>
yes, obviosly I can
14:11
but i read that is possible to add a boot param
14:11
i8042.noloop
14:11
<sbalneav>
ah, yeah
14:11
see that
14:11
<max_>
I can try it: where can I add this kernel param?
14:12
<sbalneav>
umm, you could put that in:
14:12
<scout3r>
thank you for your help sbalneav and a really big thanks to the LTSP Team :)
14:12* ogra_e2300 smiles
14:12
<sbalneav>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
14:12
<max_>
ok, trying...
14:12
<sbalneav>
DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet i8042.noloop splash
14:13
I'm guessing
14:13
<ogra_e2300>
sbalneav, you werent here yesterday ... the nbd/squashfs/unionfs solution is easily twice as fast as nfs with the bind_mounts method
14:15
<gonzaloaf_work>
hi, I use ltsp 4.2, why does sometimes I see some client connected to the system with the w command? see this pastebin.... also why I dont see all clients connected with the w command?
14:15
<sbalneav>
ogra_e2300: cool
14:16
<ogra_e2300>
sadly nbd-server isnt as flexible ...
14:16
and indeed you need to regenrate the squashfs after every change
14:16
<sbalneav>
yeah, that'd be kind of sucky
14:16
<ogra_e2300>
well
14:17
<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: not sure.
14:17
<ogra_e2300>
Gadi suggested pulling the lts.conf via tftp
14:17
<sbalneav>
That'd be a good solution.
14:17
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, wow I thought you had the answer
14:17
<ogra_e2300>
that would wipe out the suckiest bits ... i.e. the regenerating after every config change
14:17
<sbalneav>
it puts the lts.conf file in a yucky place.
14:18
gonzaloaf_work: I'd say it's because your display manager sometimes doesn't register a connection, but seeing as how you haven't told me ANYTHING about what your setup's like, I can't tell you any more than that.
14:19
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, ok thank yiou
14:20
<ogra_e2300>
sbalneav, the coolest bit in that is, you could use a local diskinstead of the tmpfs mount and just store the delta to the squashfs ... that gains us a half fat client with persistent mode ;)
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<max_>
Well, neither i8042.noloo neither noapic params (as suggested in the bug page) works :) I'll buy 20 usb mouse or a new kernel :)) Thanks to all you for your precious help! See you, I'm going to dinner. Thanx!
14:22
(noloop)
14:22
<sbalneav>
No problem
14:22
<max_>
bye
14:22
<sbalneav>
cya
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<ogra>
sbalneav, and on a sidenote, since i added nbd support to initramfs for all that playing around, i booted the e2300 with mem=28M today, works fine if you make nbdswapd create the swapfiles in a tmpfs ;)
14:25
<sbalneav>
You said that the nbd_server wasn't as flexible?
14:25
What limitations are you running into?
14:25
<ogra>
sbalneav, oh and i boot the e2300 with XDMCP in 102sec with that setup
14:25
<sbalneav>
Well, that's pretty good.
14:26
<ogra>
well, with the old ldm wrapper the ldm part still takes a minute extra
14:26
about time we get yours :)
14:26
<sbalneav>
Hey, I'm gonna upload a copy of the C ldm2
14:26
later today.
14:27
I'm just gluing some bits together now.
14:27
<ogra>
cool, i'll look on the weekend
14:27
<sbalneav>
How do I bzrify a source tree?
14:27
<ogra>
just let me know where the branch is
14:27
<sbalneav>
bzr init, then bzr add the bits I want?
14:27
<ogra>
well, didnt you branch the ltsp tree ?
14:27
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, I have ltsp 4.2, I have 50 clients connected to the server, I use xfce desktop manager, I use Ubuntu 6.10, what can of additional information do you need?
14:27
<sbalneav>
No, I'm making it a separate package. I thought we said we didn't want binary programs in the ltsp branches
14:27
<ogra>
no, i only want source
14:28
<sbalneav>
I can put it in there if you want.
14:28
<ogra>
buut i want to replace the python wrapper
14:28
if possble in gutsy
14:28
<sbalneav>
Right, well we will, but I thought what would make the most sense would be to have ldm be an installable binaty like ltspfsd
14:29
<ogra>
thats the last slowing down bit we have
14:29
right
14:29
the binary package is built at ltsp build time
14:29
we have the source in one branch but build different binaries from that
14:29
<sbalneav>
OK
14:29
I'll add it there then.
14:30
Which branch of yours should I sync off of?
14:31
<ogra>
the new mainline
14:31
the one you have commit rights to ;)
14:32
<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: your /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default is where the session registration is done.
14:32
The sessreg utility is what registers the session.
14:32
ogra: ok, thx
14:33
<ogra>
sbalneav, https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/
14:33
:)
14:33
<sbalneav>
ogra: you're my buddy
14:34
<ogra>
i havent merged the last ubuntu chnages yet
14:34
but vagrant was pretty busy it seems :)
14:35
sbalneav, soo, nbd-server isnt as flexible ...
14:35
we could run it from inted with a dedicated port for every chroot/squashfs
14:35
but that would mean we need some kind of info in the initramfs ...
14:36
i.e. invent a bootparameter or something
14:36
like NBDPORT
14:36
<sbalneav>
That would be easy enough to do.
14:37
<ogra>
hmm, even though, we already knw what we need sinc we know the root-path parameter
14:37
<sbalneav>
i386 on port 9111, ppc on 9112, etc :)
14:37
<ogra>
yeah
14:38
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, why just dome users?
14:38
<ogra>
so all we need is a translation table that gets built into the initramfs ... hmm
14:38
<gonzaloaf_work>
some*
14:38
<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: No idea. You'd have to figure out why the sessreg doesn't run for some people.
14:38
<ogra>
abd that table should come from inetd.conf of the server
14:38
<sbalneav>
Maybe they have an error in their X setup that it never gets to the post session, etc.
14:38
<jammcq>
sbalneav: you at home or the office?
14:39
<sbalneav>
I'm here at the office!
14:40
<ogra>
hmm, did any of you ever run Xorg -configure ?
14:40
it produces pretty good initial xorg.conf setups
14:40
and its *fast*
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<gloin>
so
14:49
for building a client without X11 I pretty much just want to look in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/ for anything that talks about xorg or related, back up that file, and delete the references to xorg in the working files?
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<sbalneav>
Seems reasonable
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<rjune>
ok, so this ubuntu thing is pretty simple to get going
14:53
<gloin>
agreed, and hi rjune
14:53
it's been a while
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<privet>
hello alls the peoples...
14:55
I am having some trouble to get sound running on my ltsp 4.2 little setup
14:55
running on FC 4
14:55
need to use the mpu401 module
14:56
need some advice on how to debug "sound not working"
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<gloin>
dang it
14:57
sbalneav: I'm still retrieving stuff I removed from the plugins scripts
14:59
<rjune>
howdy gloin
14:59
If I can get LDAP setup properly, I may have to move to ubuntu server side too
15:00
<gloin>
how are local devices coming along with muecow?
15:01
<sbalneav>
They work fine on Ubuntu and Debian.
15:01
<gloin>
right on
15:01
sane?
15:02
<sbalneav>
No, I'm mostly insane.
15:03
<gloin>
heh
15:03
talking about usb scanning support, mainly
15:03
<Gadi>
we all saw that one coming
15:03* gloin is in his CUPS, so it's all good
15:04
<rjune>
sbalneav: but it needs setup. SLES does it automagically
15:04
<Gadi>
gloin, you have to setup sane urself atm
15:04
chroot apt-get install netkit-inetd sane
15:04
<gloin>
Gadi: that's fine - we're doing wonky stuff with it anyhow. Mainly concerned that the usb support works
15:05
<Gadi>
and then adjust the conf files
15:05
gloin: its Ubuntu
15:05
<gloin>
yep
15:05
<Gadi>
if usb works in ubuntu, it'll work in the ubuntu chroot
15:05
<gloin>
ok
15:05
over-the-wire
15:05
woohoo
15:05
<Gadi>
unless you break it with your ltsp-build-client mods ;)
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<racter>
hi - anyone seen this error at boot? "nfsmount: need a path"
15:40
<jammcq>
yeah, you probably are using LTSP-5, but you've included the IP address in the root-path. ltsp-5 doesn't yet support that
15:41
<racter>
jammcq - yeah that's what the google results i was getting said, but i don't have an ip address in my root-path in dhcpd.conf
15:41
<jammcq>
what does your root-path look like?
15:41
<racter>
option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"
15:42
the weird thing is that this error is inconsistent; it only happens about 90% of the time
15:42
<sbalneav>
Sounds like you've got two dhcpd servers on the same net.
15:43
<racter>
sbalneav - that's a good tip; i'll check out our setup
15:46
sbalneav - yep! we had a router on the network that was still broadcasting dhcp
15:46
thx
15:47
<sbalneav>
np
15:47
<cliebow>
eisenbaum defumada.good beer?
15:47
or vigoros
15:47
a
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<andresmujica>
hi anyone knows where can i find a nvidia driver module for recent ltsp kernels? 2.6.19 or 2.6.20 ¿?
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<racter>
can i run dhcpd simultaneously for thinclients and as a gateway to connect other machines to the internet?
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<andresmujica>
racter: yes
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<racter>
andresmujica: any tips on how i can configure that?
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or what i need to look at
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<andresmujica>
gimme a sedc
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http://pastebin.ca/551702
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check that it would work for you
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<racter>
thx
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<andresmujica>
replace what you need according to your setup
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<racter>
andresmujica: can you help me see the part of this file that enables regular clients?
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this is pretty similar to what i have now
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<andresmujica>
the if part checks if the TC has pxe support, if not it would send the kernel image.
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so if you want a regular client to get an ip
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just check that it's configured to start by it's hard drive not by the nic card
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<racter>
yeah, it's already up & it has an IP from the server, but it can't see through the server to the internet. the netbooted machines can see the internet though
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<andresmujica>
the second part of the IF works with etherboot
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the part that is needed is: option routers gatewayip;
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so you must check at your server with route -n what is your gateway ip
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and then put this ip at the line mentioned before
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<racter>
so right now i have option routers 192.168.0.1;
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but route -n tells me the actual gateway is 172.16.0.1
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so if i change that will the thin clients still work?
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<andresmujica>
yes beacuse your thin clients go to internet because they're actually the server... and the server goes to internet
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how is your setup
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your server has 2 IP?
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NIC
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i mean?
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<racter>
ya two nic
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one is connected to another router that's connected to a cable modem (and is on the 172.16 subnet)
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the other is connected to the computer lab & running dhcp
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<andresmujica>
ok
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what you need is to enable ip_forward on the kernel
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and apply a NAT rule to your iptables
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<racter>
ok
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i have to recompile the kernel?
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<andresmujica>
so your server can give internet to the another clients
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Nop, you don't
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which distro are you using?
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<racter>
ubuntu
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edubuntu actually
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<andresmujica>
hmmm
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Edubuntu is preconfigured
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let me check a sec
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<andresmujica>
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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$IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
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it seems that edubuntu doesn't has a 2 nic by default...
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but i recommend you to check with #edubuntu about this
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with the lines you would get your server giving internet to the fat client users, using your server ip as gateway
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<racter>
andresmujica - what's $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE ? a command to run or an env variable to set?
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<andresmujica>
sorry $IPTABLES should be iptables
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is a comand to execute in a term
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<racter>
got it thx
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<andresmujica>
check your net ... it must be in -s X.X.X.X/X
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<racter>
huh still nothing
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weird
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well i'll ask in #edubuntu
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<cliebow>
bill_c:how goes the battle..
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<bill_c>
cliebow, hey it rages on :)
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<cliebow>
you ever finish the 4.2 for ppc?
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