IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 July 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<lejo>
is ltsp5 more bandwith-consuming then ltsp4 ?
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<alkisg1>
lejo: I don't think so, ssh -X (or -Y) isn't more bandwidth consuming than XDMCP... Never used ltsp4, thought...
02:46
<lejo>
hmm
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<johnny>
it is more cpu consuming.. lejo
03:13
unless you enable LDM_DIRECTX which makes it behave like ltsp4
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<nubae>
anyone here running cluster-ltsp?
03:26
<lejo>
johnny: i figured that out (especially with kde4)
03:27
that seems like a big no-go to me
03:27
<johnny>
well try LDM_DIRECTX
03:28
but i heard bad things about kde and ltsp in general
03:28
kde 4 specifically rather
03:28
ahh nubae
03:28
how are you?
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<ZeUs>
i want to deploy ltsp in a school were 10 to 30 computers will be active
03:30
<nubae>
yeah not bad... I'm working for Guadalinex, distro for south of Spain
03:30
run by the government
03:31
quite cool, because I get to play with ltsp and get paid for it!
03:31
I'm just setting up ltsp-cluster at the moment
03:31
<ZeUs>
how heavy should de server be?
03:31
<nubae>
so far so good, but had some questions about the control center
03:31
<ZeUs>
nubae: well done then
03:32
<nubae>
ZeUs, thanks... server should be 500 mb + 128mb per client
03:32
and cpu wise, xeon processors dual or quad would be best
03:32
<cyberorg>
lejo, with LDM_DIRECTX=true in lts.conf it should be as good as xdmcp
03:32
<ZeUs>
i've got quite the money to spend
03:33
<nubae>
then go for a quad system with 8 gigs ram
03:33
<ZeUs>
why are xeon processors special?
03:33
<nubae>
more cache, better architecture
03:33
<cyberorg>
ZeUs, dual core, with about 4G RAM should be more than enough for your need
03:34
<ogra>
cyberorg, or as bad, depends if you are a "glass half full" or "glass half empty" type of guy are
03:34
<ZeUs>
i was thinking of going mad on 1 proposal
03:34
<nubae>
well if 30 computers are conncurently used, 4g might not be enough
03:34
<cyberorg>
but what nubae suggests will make it future proof
03:34
<ZeUs>
how about flash games
03:34
will they run normally?
03:34
<nubae>
flash is a bitch unless run as local app
03:35
<ZeUs>
so what to do about it?
03:35
just not installing flash seems a bit harsh
03:35
<cyberorg>
ogra, yup, very subjective :)
03:35
<ogra>
ZeUs, what type of clients will you run ?
03:35
<ZeUs>
we could combine thin and fat clients for flash games
03:35
<ogra>
(RAM, CPU)
03:35
<ZeUs>
well
03:36
they will mostly play flash games or use office products
03:36
or browse the web
03:36
<lejo>
cyberorg: yes I always had LDM_DIRECTX enabled but i now encounter some random hickups with clients so I turned it off again
03:36
<ZeUs>
and video accelleration? Is that possible?
03:37
<ogra>
ZeUs, depends as well on the type of clients
03:37
<ZeUs>
define type
03:37
<ogra>
what kind of HW will they be
03:37
RAM, CPU, videocards etc
03:37
<ZeUs>
RAM will be 128mb to 2gb
03:38
most around 512
03:38
<nubae>
most modern systems will allow for hardware accelaration
03:38
<ogra>
well, its a matter of the drivers ...
03:38
i really would recommend intel graphics if you want desktop effects
03:38
<nubae>
ogra, u have experience with ltsp-cluster?
03:38
<ZeUs>
they will have just above pentium 4's and the videocards will vary from "did that company ever exist?!" to "well kind of ok"
03:39
what drivers are supported
03:39
<ogra>
most
03:39
but for some its quite some work to get them working properly
03:39
others work out of the box for everything
03:40
intel is really top of the edge if it comes to drivers ... but usually the HW is a bit lower standard
03:40
nubae, nope
03:40
<nubae>
ah k, was wondering about the contorl center settings... there are some ambiguities in the docs
03:40
<ogra>
using the closed source nividia or ati/amd drivers can become a painful experience
03:41
nubae, stgraber is your man
03:41
(unlikely to be up though)
03:41
<nubae>
can indeed, but at least one doesnt have to compile a custom kernel in the chroot anymore
03:41
<ogra>
you never had to
03:41
with ubuntu at least
03:42
or are you referring to 4.2 days ?
03:42
<nubae>
there was a time when you did... remember I had to do it for ati
03:42
couple years ago
03:43
yeah gonna be hard to catch stgraber during my day time...
03:43
<ZeUs>
where should the videocards be? in the server or the clients? it seems like the server to me
03:43
<johnny>
they invented this thing called email .. you might have heard of it
03:43
<ogra>
ZeUs, anyway, for clients with 256M upwards you should be able to run firefox as a local app, that will make flash work as on any other desktop computer
03:43* johnny pokes nubae
03:43
<ogra>
ZeUs, the server doesnt need a videocard at all
03:44
<nubae>
:-) yah, but no instant gratification
03:44
<johnny>
nubae, you're the one with the time problem (from stgraber perspective) :)
03:44
<ZeUs>
i can just say "run as local app" somewhere? note: i'm totally new to ltsp or thin clients in general but i understand the consept
03:44
<nubae>
yeah I know... I'm not complaining or anything :-)
03:44
<otavio>
sbalneav: in fact i'm not off of table; I just not involved at ltsp official development ;-) Will do the embedded stuff
03:45
<ogra>
ZeUs, usually the clients are only used as display and input devices ...
03:45
<otavio>
sbalneav: in fact I can even try to make it here
03:45
<ogra>
ZeUs, but there is an option to make them run apps locally
03:45
<johnny>
sbalneav must be asleep
03:45
it is very late where he is
03:45
late where iam too..
03:45
<ZeUs>
orga, how do you configure such a thing?
03:45
<johnny>
but he probably has to get up for work in the morning
03:46
<ogra>
ZeUs, we have a config file, called lts.conf on the server ... the client will read that at boot, if you put options for the client into that file it will react to these options
03:46
<ZeUs>
ok
03:47
<ogra>
ZeUs, so you can tell the client to execute apps locally instead of executing them on the server (the default) ... flash is slow because it has to shove 30 frames per second over the network ...
03:47
... so if your browser runs locally it doesnt show the pics over the net but locally on the client
03:47
<ZeUs>
and watching video's (youtube for example)
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<ogra>
same thing
03:48
<ZeUs>
ok
03:48
<ogra>
youtube is flash
03:48
<ZeUs>
yep
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<nubae>
helps bandwidth usage too
03:48
<ZeUs>
so the trick is executing flash as locally as possible
03:48
<ogra>
right
03:48
but that requires a bit of power on the thin clients indeed
03:48
i wouldnt do that with 128M
03:49
<ZeUs>
isn't flash a seperate process in some browsers
03:49
<ogra>
but 256 and upwards will work fine
03:49
<ZeUs>
like crhome?
03:49
chrome?
03:49
<ogra>
sure, its always an embedded separate process
03:49
in all browsers
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<ZeUs>
can't that process only run locally?'
03:57
or wait
03:57
that would make no sense
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<ogra>
no, its embedded
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<cyberorg>
nubae, we have simple cluster, good enough for about 5 servers, see ltsp manual and http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Cluster
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<nubae>
yeah seen it
04:50
unfortunately the clients fail at getltscfg-cluster
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<cyberorg>
we dont use getltscfg-cluster for simple cluster, it is a small script to use ldm server based on ranking, details in ltsp manual
04:52* cyberorg forgot you wrote quite a bit of that :P
04:52* ogra doubts suse is a bvalid option for nubae :)
04:53
<ogra>
given his workplace :)
04:53
<nubae>
right
04:53
:/
04:53
<cyberorg>
ogra, it is not suse specific :)
04:53
<nubae>
I'm not allowed to mention the word 'suse' here
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or I get tomatoes thrown at me ;-)
04:53
<ogra>
nubae, using jaunty or karmic ?
04:53
<nubae>
jaunty
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<cyberorg>
ogra, it is get_hosts script from ltsp manual
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<ogra>
karmic should have improved a #lot
04:53
<nubae>
perhas I should try karmic
04:54
<cyberorg>
we just made it simple to use
04:54
<ogra>
nubae, given that now two people work on integration ... (/me points at highvoltage)
04:54
<lejo>
are there numbers about when it is starting to become interesting to move to a LTSP cluster?
04:55
<nubae>
oh cool, well I shall update to karmic then
04:55
<ogra>
lejo, as soon as you are starting to use multiple servers :)
04:55
<cyberorg>
lejo, when you have more than 25 clients
04:55
<lejo>
hmmm 25
04:56
i'm currently working on a 50clients setup
04:56* ogra doubts you can bind that to a number
04:56
<cyberorg>
lejo, then you should look at two server setup
04:56
<ogra>
i think alkisg runs 60 off one server or so
04:56
<lejo>
with a decent gigabit network i presume?
04:56
<ogra>
its really a matter of dimesioning your server
04:57
GigE for the server->switch connection i belive
04:57
if you run gnome or kde3 you can say you need about 128M per running session
04:58
if you have a switch that allows to trunk multiple gigabit connections together and your server can eat enough RAM and CPUs you can also run 100 clients off one server
04:59
its always a matter of the right dimensions ;)
04:59
<lejo>
yeah
04:59
this environment had ltsp5 with 50clients on 100mbit hubs :P
04:59
and it worked like a charm
04:59
ltsp4 i mean
04:59
not 5
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<ogra>
what kind of desktop ?
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<lejo>
kde3
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<ogra>
yeah
05:00
dont use 4 with any ltsp :)
05:00
<lejo>
we are starting to notice this yes ;)
05:01
but as long as the customer wants it (and does not take my word for it) they'll stay on 4
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<ogra>
it wont wrok
05:01
at least not usable
05:02
gar ... /me notices he downloaded the wrong kernel tarball ...
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05:02* ogra starts over ... why the hack has a kernel to be 60M big even compressed
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<cyberorg>
ogra, because it is going to be 250M when uncompressed :)
05:03
<nubae>
even with 1 server, u can virtualise
05:03
<ogra>
heh
05:03
<nubae>
taking advantages of cluster
05:03
<ogra>
you can even use ubuntu-cloud :)
05:04
<nubae>
whats ubuntu-cloud?
05:04
<cyberorg>
eucalyptus + ubuntu?
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<nubae>
ogra, highvoltage is working on ltsp?
05:43
<ogra>
nubae, he packaged the cluster client recently
05:43
<nubae>
oh ok
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<ace_suares>
morning
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<ace_suares>
ogra sbalneav where to complain about that 2#$@$@#% wiki.edubuntu.org?
06:39
It's crawled to a halt
06:39
at least for me
06:39
can't do a thing
06:39
<ogra>
works fine here
06:39
<ace_suares>
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCleanupEffort try this page
06:39
tell me how long it needs to load
06:39
please
06:40
<ogra>
what did you do ?
06:40
<ace_suares>
i think the front page is on a cache or so its always fast
06:40
<ogra>
all pages load fine here apart from that one
06:40
<ace_suares>
pages behind it are slow
06:40
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/CategoryEdubuntu
06:40
and this one?
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<ogra>
i tried various subpages
06:40
<ace_suares>
I think its' the searches
06:41
there is a possibilit to list all categories
06:41
or some categories
06:41
<<FullSearch(Category:Edubuntu)>> or somethin
06:41
I think it's choking on that
06:42
the CleanUp Effor has 5 such searches in one page
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it can't take it i think
06:42
very inconvenient
06:42
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/CategoryEdubuntu took the past couple mins to load but it loads
06:44
I am gpoing to get some coffee be back in 20
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<ogra>
well, i have no idea about the wiki, it always worked for me and i dont do weird stuff with it ... try to find newz2000 in #ubuntu-devel or so
06:53
<nubae>
yeah works for me too
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<ace_suares>
Very encouraging.
07:26
and i dont do weird stuff with it . - man it's standard moin moin stuff
07:26
does this link work for you or not ? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/CategoryEdubuntu
07:26
I mena less than 1 sec
07:28
oh well
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<atomic007za>
hi
08:09
I have seen that the Tux programs (tux paint, typing and maths, slow my network down considerably.
08:10
apparently it is to do with the sound, how do I stop these programs from diong this.?
08:18
<sbalneav>
atomic007za: Slow the network down? Or slow the server down?
08:18
Morning all
08:18
<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/269082
08:19
<sbalneav>
Ah, sdl
08:21
atomic007za: Doesn't look sound related, so much as sdl related
08:21
In response to an earlier comment, I can confirm that using the --nosound switch with tuxpaint corrects the issue with high CPU usage and failure to exit cleanly.
08:22
So, you might be able to fix it by starting them with "--nosound"
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: Hey
08:52
Weren't you sponsoring some Geode development?
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: give me a few secs....
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<sbalneav>
atomic007za: See my earlier comments about --nosound?
09:01
<atomic007za>
where would I edit the tuxtyping conf file to disable sound? and where would I find : SDL_AUDIODRIVER='pulse' tuxpaint - fixes the issues experienced.
09:01
I have looked but cant see conf file
09:01
<sbalneav>
Probably isn't one.
09:02
But, you should be able to modify the .desktop file... one sec
09:02
dpkg -L tuxtype | grep .desktop
09:02
<ogra>
well
09:03
that will be overwritten on upgrades
09:03
<sbalneav>
yeah, I know
09:03
<ogra>
just be evil and export it systemwide ;)
09:03
<sbalneav>
but as a test... :)
09:03
LOL
09:03
what, in /etc/barshrc?
09:03
<ogra>
you want it for all users and all SDL apps anyway
09:04
/etc/profile or /etc/environment, not sure which one
09:04
<sbalneav>
Well, first off, lets just try it at the commandline
09:04
<ogra>
bashrc only applies to terminals
09:04
<sbalneav>
atomic007za: Still there?
09:04
try this, at a terminal, on the thin client, just type:
09:05
SDL_AUDIODRIVER='pulse' tuxpaint
09:05
and hit enter
09:06
<atomic007za>
yes sorry just had to chat to client quickly
09:09
<Gadi>
sbalneav: to answer your question, we had in the past - paid someone to develop the geode driver (specifically widescreen support into the GX2 amongst some other features) - but, we have not sponsored anything recently
09:10
why do you ask?
09:10
<sbalneav>
Ah, ok, I just answered an email in ltsp-discuss
09:10
crashing on a geode box
09:10
I know the geode driver still needs some love.
09:11
<Gadi>
yeah - the geode chipset is a ship without a captain, Im afraid
09:11
<ogra>
switch to ARM :P
09:11
they dont have graphics drivers at all ... so nothing can break :)
09:11
<sbalneav>
\o/ Perfection
09:12
<Gadi>
is it all fbdev?
09:12
<sbalneav>
A perfect text-only utopia
09:12
I'll be right at home :)
09:12
atomic007za: that work for you?
09:13
<ogra>
Gadi, they all have graphics cards ... but currently all i have sitting around me is only fbdev because no drivers exist yet
09:14
<rjune_wrk>
!g
09:14
<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:14
<rjune_wrk>
!o
09:14
<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "o" is o is for ogra!!!!!!!!!
09:16
<atomic007za>
dumb question, SDL what does it stand for and which are all there games? I take it it includes all the tux software?
09:16
I have not checked yet
09:16
<sbalneav>
Simple DirectMedia Layer
09:17
<Gadi>
atomic007za: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_DirectMedia_Layer
09:19
<atomic007za>
thx gadi
09:19
sbalneav: I need at least 3 pc to see if this works as one thin client has no problem
09:20
will let you know how it worked in 10
09:20
<sbalneav>
OK, then you'll have to start it that way on all 3
09:21
<atomic007za>
yes
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<Ahmuck>
!a
09:28
<ltspbot>
Ahmuck: "a" is Awesome Ahmuck
09:32
<ogra>
sbalneav, "<name escapes me>" == QFunk
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<jammcq>
Good morning friends
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10:16
<atomic007za>
sbalneav: its hard to say how much it has improved but yes, there is an improvement
10:16
have to run thanks for the help so far, will try the other advice lattwer this evening
10:16
<sbalneav>
ogra: No, not Qfunk, the other heavyset fellow. Looks like me without the moustache. Aaarrrrgh.
10:17
<ogra>
oh, then i dont know
10:17
<sbalneav>
Qfunk was working on it, but he's not the ubuntu X maintainer, is he?
10:17
<ogra>
ah, bryce !
10:17
<sbalneav>
THAT's it
10:17
<ogra>
doesnt really look like you
10:17
he ends at my hip
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10:18
<ogra>
but might have your weight
10:18
<sbalneav>
lol
10:18
Thanks.... I think.
10:18
<ogra>
but i dont think bryce did much
10:19
<sbalneav>
Ah, though he was.
10:19* sbalneav shrugs
10:19
<ogra>
slangasek was beating QFunk into shape for his crappy packaging all the time iirc
10:19
<sbalneav>
I can't keep it all straight anymore. I keep killing those braincells with beer.
10:19
<ogra>
they had more to do with each other than bryce and him
10:23
<jammcq>
hey guys
10:24* jammcq checks to see if his microphone is turned on
10:24
<Gadi>
jammcq: hey! So, I hear Ford turned a profit - you should send out invites to the worker-bees to celebrate at the ice cream shoppe
10:25
<jammcq>
Gadi: yeah, that's BIG news around here today
10:25
<Gadi>
nu? where's the marketing?
10:25
free ice cream to celebrate
10:26
(with purchase of....)
10:26
<jammcq>
yer assuming we could market our way out of a wet paperbag
10:26
<Gadi>
oh, c'mon - im sure you could market the wet paper bag
10:26
:)
10:27
the world's bankrupt, the cities being reclaimed by nature, but Ford turned a profit and ur giving away smiles!
10:27
<jammcq>
hmmm, wanna move to michigan?
10:27
<Gadi>
man, I could use some ice cream....
10:27
<jammcq>
you could be our marketing director
10:28
<ogra>
ice cream !
10:28* ogra gets some
10:30
<jammcq>
btw, BTS-09 is tentatively scheduled for Oct 22-25
10:30
<bieb>
woo hoo
10:30
<ace_suares>
hi jammcq, gadi long time no see
10:30
<jammcq>
hey ace_suares
10:31
<Gadi>
hey, ace_suares
10:31
<ace_suares>
wassupo jammcq i hear that you're not involved in ltsp anymore? Can hardly imagine. Oh well. Your name - altough unpronounciatable - will be in my mind till the worms eat the last braincells :)
10:32
<Gadi>
jammcq's our marketing director ;)
10:32
<jammcq>
heh. I'm still the special activities coordinator
10:32* ace_suares thinks not all the braincells are killed with beer. There's simply not enough beer for that.
10:32
<ogra>
whats so hard in pronouncing: jim
10:32
<dberkholz>
i wish more oss projects had one as good as jammcq ...
10:32
<ogra>
++
10:32
<jammcq>
hey dberkholz how's the baby?
10:32
<ace_suares>
jammcq: oh... goood! ice cream then please, the three colored one, but without the white and the pink.
10:33
dberkholz: right!
10:33
<jammcq>
ace_suares: you want the "Superman" ?
10:33
<dberkholz>
jammcq: a little annoyed at being in her playpen atm =)
10:33
<jammcq>
heh
10:33
dberkholz: life didn't change much, did it? bwhahahahahahahahahaha
10:34
<bieb>
BTS only requires.. Beer... Lobster.. and Ice Cream
10:34
<dberkholz>
it's been less than a year, and i already don't remember what i used to do with my time
10:34
<jammcq>
dberkholz: it'll get easier, in about 20 years
10:34
<dberkholz>
right after they move out and we finish paying for college
10:35
<jammcq>
yep. I'll have 2 in college this fall
10:35
<dberkholz>
jammcq: but the thing that's really keeping me busy now is finishing my ph.d about a month from now
10:35
<jammcq>
wow
10:35
<ace_suares>
jammcq: 20 years, right! I got my first kids 19 years ago. They're 11 now. Oh my.
10:35
<jammcq>
that's Way cool. do you have to write a dissertation?
10:35
<dberkholz>
so i just do drive-by irc attacks like this one, and that's about all the foss time i've got
10:36
<jammcq>
ace_suares: 11 years, or 11 kids?
10:36
<dberkholz>
jammcq: yep, but it's not as bad as you'd think ... it's basically wrapping an intro & conclusion around a few papers i've already written
10:36
<jammcq>
oh, cool
10:36
<ace_suares>
jammcq: hehe 11 years
10:36
<dberkholz>
how could you have your kids 19 years ago and they're only 11. some kind of time trap?
10:36
<jammcq>
ace_suares: phew.... I was worreid ther for a minute
10:37
lets' do the time warp again
10:37
<ogra>
dberkholz, they just grow slower over there :)
10:37
its the climate :)
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<sebas891>
hi folks! ltsp rocks! you all know that, I guess!
11:29
but, I'm having a little problem with the usb stick on the client, they get mount automatically (which is fine), but I cannot umount them :(
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11:30
<ogra>
the yrent actually mounted
11:30
*arent
11:30
<sebas891>
I can see the content and write to it as well.
11:30
<ogra>
you can just pull them out
11:31
thats a fake ;)
11:31
they are only mounted during actual write operations and get automatically unmounted 2sec after the last write
11:31
<sebas891>
ah, they are not really "mounted" ?
11:32
<ogra>
what you see on the desktop is only read once at the plug event or updated if there was a write
11:32
<sebas891>
so there is no need to "umount" or extra safely?
11:32
<ogra>
but the rest of the time they are unmounted
11:32
right
11:32
<sebas891>
wow, that is clever ! :)
11:32
<ogra>
send your flowers to sbalneav
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<ogra>
or sixpacks :)
11:33
<sebas891>
the problem is the users than... and there habits.
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<sebas891>
sbalneav rocks.
11:34
sixpacks as well ! :)
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<ogra>
:)
11:36
<sebas891>
is it the same story with disket and cdrom on client?
11:36
<ogra>
yes
11:37
well, cdrom not so much, you dont write to it usually :)
11:37
<sebas891>
no need to umount, cool.
11:37
<ogra>
right
11:37
<sebas891>
Is it possible to use a cd-rom burner on a client?
11:38
<ogra>
not with ltspfs ... but ltsp knows about local apps nowadays, so you can run a burning programm locally on the client
11:38
its a bit extra work to set up and the burning app is restricted to the users homedir though
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<sebas891>
oki, thanks for the info.
11:43
it would be cool to pass that clever usb trick, to fatclient.
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<sebas891>
ogra: thanks for your time. :) it has been of great help!
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<ogra>
:)
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<ace_suares>
guys (& girls???) where to get contact with the makers/developers of the moin wiki in ubuntu to enhance the UbuntuSpec thingy?
12:19
<ogra>
webmaster@ubuntu.com ?
12:19
(wrong channel btw, lets take that to #edubuntu rather)
12:19
<ace_suares>
kk
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<dmarkey>
vagrantc: done any work on the local mounting ltspfs recently?
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<knipwim>
is it possible to set the server ssh port in lts.conf?
13:29
<dmarkey>
knipwim: dont think so
13:29
that would be in sshd_config
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<vagrantc>
dmarkey: not since ltspfs 0.5.13
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<dmarkey>
vagrantc: how stable would you call that
13:31
<vagrantc>
dmarkey: probably need to add back in the xinitrc.d hook, possibly with some check to see if it's already mounted (as udev also attempts to mount it)
13:32
dmarkey: it worked pretty good for me, until i uploaded it to debian, and then it just had one minor glitch for non-ldm sessions (such as rdesktop)
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<dmarkey>
hmm.. dont think udev tried to mount it when i was using debian
13:32
well i wuld be using 100% rdesktop
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<ogra>
knipwim, there once was SSH_OVERRIDE_PORT (at least in ubuntu) but i'm not sure it still exists
13:34
<dmarkey>
vagrantc: sometimes rdesktop would completly freeze when the usb key is yanked out, probably because the mount point wasnt there anymore
13:35
performance was pretty impressive though, 60mb file in 10 secs, much better than SunRay(took nearly and hour)
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<vagrantc>
dmarkey: i don't really have the ability to test rdesktop, as xrdp doesn't support remote drives.
13:37
<dmarkey>
dmarkey: not got XP?
13:37
<ogra>
heh
13:38* vagrantc will spend time developing free software for free platforms, and leave the frankenstein hybrids to others
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<dmarkey>
hehe
13:39
i'll concentrate on the LTSP Terminal server combo then
13:39
as in windows terminal server
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<sbalneav>
We need to get nubae's fat client stuff into ltsp directly.
15:25
We need to get nubae's fat client stuff into ltsp directly.
15:26
~[6~[6~/win 3
15:26
bah!
15:26* vagrantc has ltsp on /win 3
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<sbalneav>
edubuntu's on win 3
15:26
ltsp's on win2
15:26
:)
15:26
<johnny>
i wish i felt like learning ncurses enough to port gajim UI to it..
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and steal some irssi shortcuts
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irssi just doesn't cut it for my real messaging needs tho
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<Lns>
+1 sbalneav (re: fatclient)..just need to change the name ;)
15:29
<vagrantc>
pudgy clients
15:30
athletic clients
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<Lns>
it shouldn't have anything to do with thin clients
15:30
power client?
15:30
<vagrantc>
anti-clients
15:30
<Lns>
ha
15:31
mighty client
15:33* Lns votes for mighty client ;)
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<atomic007za>
hi
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<korcan>
anyone running dual monitors?
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<atomic007za>
I have asked this question today , but had to go out so I might have mist the answer. how would I turn the sound off for all SDL driven apps?
16:37
PC are very slow with tuxpaint, and it seems to be something to do with SDL on the cliebt PC
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sorry tux typing
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<brendan`>
hey all, im having a hell of a time with a new LTSP install...wondering if anyone could help. Im running an AMD dual core 3800+ running ubuntu 8.10 amd64. I have i386 clients that are connecting, and *sometimes* everything seems fine. but when my users try to run vmware (to connect to a win98 machine for raisers edge) they have about 5-10 minutes before they get locked up and have to reboot. I tried disabling ssh enc
16:47
ryption, set X colors to 16 and ramperc to 80. nothing seems to help, they still keep locking up
16:48
to further complicate things, through the process of debugging, i've ran into even more problems, where sometimes my clients won't even boot up, they get stuck at TFTP negotiation.
16:48
any ideas how I can fix this?
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<atomic007za>
hi brendan, not sure if it may be the same problem but I had a similar problem and it was that I had 2 dhcp server on one network
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<brendan`>
yeah, i've run into that in the past, and my dhcp server is external from my ltsp server. but the weird part when they get stuck at negotiation is that it says on the tty that it got its ip from the right dhcp server
16:51
my main concern though is the freezing
16:51
my users are getting really frustrated
16:52
<atomic007za>
can some of the users log in?
16:52
<brendan`>
also, i had another question... would you guys recommend using the image-generic or image-server kernel on my ltsp server?
16:53
<atomic007za>
or do theyall freeze?
16:53
<brendan`>
everyone can log in, and do most of their day to day things. but eventually they all freeze at some point
16:53
for the most part it's vmware-server-console that is the culprit
16:53
but sometimes it's open office
16:54
<atomic007za>
are they running any SDL apps? tuxpaint/tuxtyping/tuxmaths?
16:54
<brendan`>
nope
16:54
my user that uses vmware the most has got to the point where she tries to make a habit of only having vmware-server-console open when she is working in it
16:54
and it still freezes
16:54
the strange part is that my thin clients aren't even true thin clients, they are fairly powerful machines. the one that freezes the most is a p4 1.8ghz with 1gb ram
16:55
with a nvidia tnt2 32mb video card
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<atomic007za>
what LAN speed how many clients?
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<brendan`>
at first the server was on 100mb (because my intel pro gigabit card wasn't working in intrepid x86_64) and i thought that might be the problem, but now they are on a fresh linksys gigabit card on a gigabit switch
16:57
the clients are only 100mb, but there are only 8 clients tops at a time
16:57
usually only around 3 or 4
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<atomic007za>
are the clients plugged into the gigabit switch?
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<brendan`>
yes
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<cliebow>
howdy Mr. Powers
16:58
<atomic007za>
what does your say about RAM/CPU?
16:59
system monitor
16:59
sorry
16:59
<brendan`>
i've enabled ssh on the clients and logged in to see if i could see what was going on when they crashed. none of them are using nearly their full amount of ram (i have nbd swap enabled just in case)
16:59
i have 4GB ram in the server and it never touches swap
16:59
the cpu sometimes gets into the 60-70% area when several users are browsing firefox, but it never hits 100%
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<Gadi>
brendan`: I need to run, but it sounds quite similar to a problem Lumiere was having involving nbdrootd on the server - I bet if you killed all the nbd-server processes, the thin client would not hang at TFTP...
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<Gadi>
perhaps try and catch Lumiere and see if he resolved his freezing problem
17:02
ciao, all
17:02
<brendan`>
i kind of suspected nbd
17:02
should i switch back to nfs?
17:02
<Gadi>
try it
17:03
<brendan`>
that wouldn't solve my freezing in vmware though would it?
17:03
<Gadi>
it would if all the freezing is ude to nbd
17:03
*due
17:03
<brendan`>
don't the clients just get the kernel from nbd and then everything else runs through ssh?
17:04
<Gadi>
sure, but if nbd dies or has issues, the client loses its rootfs
17:04
<brendan`>
ahhhhh
17:04
that is a good point
17:04
im going to look into switching back to nfs
17:04
<Gadi>
worth a try
17:04
<brendan`>
i export my /home dir anyway
17:04
<Gadi>
again comiserate with Lumiere
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:)
17:04
<brendan`>
haha
17:04
thanks Gadi
17:05
<Gadi>
np
17:05
have a good one
17:05
and report back if it fixes things
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<atomic007za>
how would I turn the sound off for all SDL driven apps? @ bootup
17:57
or how would set SDL_audiodriver=esd automacically when tuxtyping starts
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or how could I just disable sound on tuxtyping for all uses as it starts?
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I have not seen a conf file for this
17:59
SDL soung seems to be causing a problem when more than 2 clients log in
18:00
anyone?
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<jammcq>
hey friends
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<ace_suares>
jammcq: lonely here :-(
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
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<Lns>
Hi all
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<sbalneav>
Hey Lns
23:53
<Lns>
hey sbalneav .. how's things?
23:54
<sbalneav>
Well, made good contact today with federico
23:54
Looks like they're just as desparate for sabayon developers as Edubuntu is for developers
23:55
Soooo...
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<Lns>
heh
23:55
<sbalneav>
Looks like they got another one now :)
23:55
<Lns>
nice!
23:56
I remember reading about sabayon and remember some aspects of the UI can't be configured for all users..maybe it was the gnome panel or something?
23:56
I tried it a long time ago but got the whole crashing at save/load deal..that was probably 3 years ago though
23:57
<sbalneav>
Check your private channel