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Channel log from 27 October 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<kwak>
stgraber. are there any sound problems for clients in ubuntu?
00:14
<stgraber>
no
00:14
pulseaudio works fine
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<kwak__>
stgraber, ok will try ubuntu again today.
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<kwak_>
hi again. i wanna try ubuntu for LTSP server, can I use xubuntu?
02:04
<Ryan52>
kwak_: it doesn't matter what window manager you use. ltsp works with whatever.
02:06
<kwak_>
Ryan52: thanks for the input. thought of XFCE might lessen resource usage compared to gnome.
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<alkisg>
Hi, a DNS related question: If I specify HOSTNAME=client01 in lts.conf, then the TC gets this hostname, notifies my DNS server (=ltsp server) and so I can e.g. ping client01 from the server, right?
04:52
1st problem, HOSTNAME=client01 in lts.conf doesn't get transferred to the client, the client is still named "ltsp"...
04:54
!lts.conf
04:54
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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<alkisg>
In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/<mac address> I pass HOSTNAME=xxxx parameter to the kernel, to specify the client hostname. But the hostname doesn't change, it's still "ltsp".
06:22
I tried break=mount, hostname is there. But with break=bottom, HOSTNAME=''. So the mount scripts delete the hostname... is this a bug?
06:23
<Nubae>
y dont u set the hostname through /etc/hosts
06:23
<alkisg>
Nubae, the client hostname? It should be in /etc/hostname, right?
06:23
Ah, I see what you mean. I don't know the IP of the client
06:23
Only it's mac address
06:24
<Nubae>
then attach the ip to its mac address via dhcpd.conf
06:25
sorry hostname to mac address
06:25
<alkisg>
Nubae, I don't have control over the dhcp server, that's the main problem
06:25
<Nubae>
ah
06:25
<alkisg>
But what I'm trying should work, no?
06:27
<Nubae>
hmmm, do u know the range of ips u'll be given?
06:27
<alkisg>
Yes, 10.160.82.129 to 200 (=>8 clients)
06:28
<Nubae>
so write a script that gives out hostnames to all 8 clients, ws1, ws2, and so on to /etc/hosts
06:29
ah wait, but u still need use-host-declarations; in dhcpd.conf
06:29
<alkisg>
...and also there are 70 possible IPs and only 8 clients... :(
06:30
<Nubae>
hmm, interesting little problem u have there :-)
06:30
<alkisg>
Nubae, if what I'm trying should work, and the hostname not working is a but, I can try to debug it,
06:30
I just wanted to make sure that it's a valid workaround
06:30
*bug
06:31
<Nubae>
I'm not sure... the issue as I see it is that u dont control the dhcp server listening to your host requests
06:31
<alkisg>
OK, but in theory a PC can declare its own hostname, right?
06:31
<Nubae>
if the dhcp server is set to accept that yes
06:31
<alkisg>
Even if it's a thin client and the hostname gets passed as a parameter to the kernel
06:32
<Nubae>
u're doing everything right on the client, it seems to me that the server ignores your request
06:32
<alkisg>
Oh... the client should notify the dhcp server of its hostname?
06:32
<Nubae>
sure
06:32
<alkisg>
Not the dns server? :)
06:32
(I do have control over the dns server)
06:32
(weird indeed! :P)
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<Nubae>
yeah its a brain teaser... I wonder which has priority
06:33
<alkisg>
What if a client has a static IP (and of course hostname). How does it notify the DNS server?
06:34
I can pass static ips to the clients with ip=x:x:x:x:x in the kernel
06:34
<Nubae>
well, where does it get its static ip from, the dns server?
06:34
or /etc/hosts
06:34
<alkisg>
IPAPPEND 1 in pxelinux.cfg/<mac address>
06:34
So static = in the mac address named file
06:34
<Nubae>
ok... but then the dns or dhcp server probably overwrite that
06:35
<alkisg>
Sorry, not IPAPPEND, ip=x:x:x:x
06:35
No, ipconfig then uses a static ip, no dhcp request is made
06:35
But I was talking in general, *any* client that has a static IP, how does it notify the dns server?
06:35
(not specificaly thin client)
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<Nubae>
u've looked at google?
06:36
<alkisg>
About the hostname bug, yes, I found some other bugs but not the one I'm talking about
06:38
<Nubae>
I thought the dns server notifies the client, not the other way round
06:38
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7111325-0-large.jpg
06:38
maybe that helps
06:39
<alkisg>
I think there are some arp requests that take care of that, and it's why avahi daemon is there...
06:39
<Nubae>
well avahi talks directly to clients between each other
06:40
but I'm no expert in this field
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<alkisg>
Me neither... Anyway, I'll try some debugging, and if I can't do it this way I'll just use static IPs and put a /etc/hosts file in the server and in the chroot... Thanks, Nubae.
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<alkisg>
Nubae, I guess "dynamic DNS" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_DNS) is what I was talking about... I don't know if and how it's supported on Linux, though. OK, I found my way, time for reading! :)
07:00
<Nubae>
it is supported yes
07:01
dont think its installed by default in ltsp though
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<Blinny>
OK, yeah. I officially love LTSP.
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<ogra>
Blinny, dont we all ?
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<Nubae>
yeah the best undiscovered secret
07:35
<alkisg>
ogra, the HOSTNAME=xxx kernel parameter gets deleted in /initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs-bottom, would you be interested in a patch?
07:35
<ogra>
alkisg, i think if you change that it breaks dhcp client hostnames or some such, there was a debian bug about it
07:36
<alkisg>
I saw it, let me read it again... thanks
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<ogra>
i'm sure if someone comes up with a proper solution to that old prob we'll all be happy though, but iirc it was only an "either or" way you could fix it
07:39
<alkisg>
ogra, I thought it was about the /etc/hostname file (it should be empty), but I'll read it again
07:39
<ogra>
well, thats the root cause, yes
07:40
<alkisg>
This one, right? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418142
07:40
I'm talking about the HOSTNAME kernel parameter, so if it is set, we should use it
07:41
<Nubae>
so ubuntu 8.10 is supposed to be slower than its pedecessors: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_bench_2008&num=1
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<ogra>
alkisg, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406366
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<alkisg>
ogra, OK, I've read that too, I don't think respecting the kernel parameter will break anything... Let me post in ltspbot a modified version of nfs_bottom/ltsp in a few minutes...
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<ogra>
alkisg, you dont seem to understand, the kernel parameter will only be used if the file doesn exist in which case the default behaivior breaks
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<alkisg>
ogra, ahm... I'll be used by the kernel, right? But what if we echo $HOSTNAME > /proc/sys/kernel/hostname, if HOSTNAME is set?
07:47
<ogra>
the only sane approach seems to be a plugin which puts an option for ltsp-build-client into place to not have that file there
07:47
the system will still ignore whatever you echo into sys
07:47
<alkisg>
ogra, I tried it and in worked, I saw the name in the greeter
07:48
<ogra>
if there is an /etc/hostname file that will be used regardless
07:50
<alkisg>
ogra, thanks, I'll try to understand how all this works.
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<ogra>
i think the bug sums it up properly
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<ogra>
though its very old, it might have changed
07:51
<alkisg>
ogra, I only echoed the HOSTNAME in /proc/sys/kernel/hostname in the end of nfs-bottom/ltsp and it worked fine,
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<ogra>
but in any case i'd prefer to fix the cause for teh distro instead of working around it in a special place only ltsp uses
07:51
<alkisg>
it got in /etc/hostname and I saw it in the greeter and everything
07:52
<ogra>
if that works, it should be fixed in initramfs-tools generally, not in the ltsp script
07:53
Nubae, its a known fact that dues to some decisions linus made the newer kernels are slower until some things are fixed
07:53
Nubae, they will find the same if they compare say FC7 to FC10
07:53
<alkisg>
ogra, this is too deep for me! :) I saw that it works, I can modify a script, but I don't think I understand enough to do more... OK, I'll read the bugs extensively and do whatever tests I can.
07:53
<Nubae>
yeah I figured that
07:54
but the general public is going to see it as being a ubuntu problem
07:54
unfortunately
07:54
<ogra>
alkisg, first thing is probably to file a bug against initramfs-tools in debian or ubuntu and explain the prob and the solution ... (if there isnt one already)
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<alkisg>
ogra, ok, I'll do that (after reading the bugs and all), thanks
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<v-pro>
what is the defaul x-session of ldm in Hardy. Should it use the .xsession file in the users home folder?
08:20
I now have this problem that the logging does not work without selecting a session on every login
08:20
which is quite annoying
08:29
<johnny>
no
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<v-pro>
what then?
08:30
<johnny>
there is a global default
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<v-pro>
so users can not make permanent changes?
08:31
<johnny>
oh.. you want users to have a different one?
08:31
that's not your original question
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<v-pro>
well sort of as now it uses the default and does not change it
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<ogra>
the default xsession in ubuntu and debian systems is definaed by the x-session-manager alternative
08:32
~/.xsession is able to override that
08:33
if you want to chnage it systemide, configure x-session-manager properly
08:33
if you want it per user create a ~/.xsession
08:33
<v-pro>
ok, so it should use the .xsession in the home folders
08:34
maybe I have wrong syntax
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<ogra>
if you want it per thin client (note that is hardware bound to teh client), use lts.conf and the LDM_SESSION setting
08:35
well, in .xsession the ast command you start need to be the session manager and it cant be backgrounded (no & at the end of the line)
08:35
*last
08:35
<johnny>
hello ogra :)
08:35
<ogra>
hey
08:36
<v-pro>
ogra: so one line "/usr/bin/gnome-session" for example should do?
08:37
<ogra>
yes, likely
08:37
though that would be the default in ubuntu anyway
08:37
(unless you broke it deliberately indeed :) )
08:37
<v-pro>
well now there is no default for some reason
08:37
<ogra>
how did yu install ?
08:38
<v-pro>
with aptitude and ltsp-server-standalone
08:38
<ogra>
if oyu use the laternate CD like described in the howto it should all work out of the box
08:38
!ubuntu
08:38
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
08:38
<ogra>
see the last link
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<Blinny>
mawnin
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<ogra>
!s
08:50
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
morning all
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<cliebow>
sbalneav:you missed you hurricane yesterday..
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<_UsUrPeR_>
quick question about "MOPTS" in a pxelinux.cfg directory: have those parameters been depreciated? Specifically pertaining to rsize and wsize?
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<sbalneav>
cliebow: Cool!
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<alkisg>
ogra, sorry for my ignorance, HOSTNAME=... *is not* a defined kernel command line parameter, so what I was asking for was actually a feature request, not a bug fix... :) Sorry for bothering you, a custom script was all I needed.
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<cliebow>
well..50+knots anyway..trees fell acros my Trenton driveway so i had to pull em out of the way..
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I have been trying to use the rsize and wsize to get around a problem I have at a site with a particularly crappy switch.
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<sbalneav>
cliebow: Yeah, we had 70+ km/h winds here yesterday too.
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<ogra>
_UsUrPeR_, MOPTS as a kernel commandline option should still be available (though i dont know fo sure since we dont use nfs in uuntu ltsp since over a year)
09:02
*ubuntu :)
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<Lns>
good morning ltspbot =p
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<Lns>
Do any of you use openclipart ?
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<Nubae>
Lns: swure
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<Lns>
Nubae: shot in the dark, but have you ever been able to delete individual pics from them? I've tried, but they still show up in the theme files in OOo...some of them are deemed inappropriate for the schools i work for (such as a guy smoking a cigarette)
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<Nubae>
hmm never ran across that
12:39
but I'd imagine there must be a central location to manage that
12:39
<Lns>
Yeah, not sure... can't find anything online
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there are 4 people in #openclipart
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<berriop>
I instaled italc v 1.0.9 and the same problem persists
12:49
when i try to run ica in the client it says ISD-server could not be started because por 5800 is already in use
12:50
in the server im running italc server which use port 5800 for vnc-http
12:51
anyone knows which is the problem
12:51
<stgraber>
berriop: is that Ubuntu ?
12:52
<berriop>
yep ubuntu 8.04
12:52
<stgraber>
with the PPA for iTalc then ?
12:52
<berriop>
what do you mean by PPA?
12:53
<stgraber>
where did you get italc 1.0.9 ?
12:53
<berriop>
from http://ppa.launchpad.net/edubuntu-italc-devel/ubuntu
12:54
i intalled first v 1.0.7 and then i removed it and instaled v 1.0.9 from there
12:54
but the problem persists
12:54
<stgraber>
ok, and you have START_ITALC=True in your lts.conf ?
12:55
<berriop>
nope
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<stgraber>
so that won't work then
12:55
<berriop>
ooook
12:56
so i have to put START_ITALC=True in the ltsp.conf
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<stgraber>
lts.conf
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/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<berriop>
ok thanks
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<berriop>
i have not a lts.conf there, should i create it?
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<Lns>
stgraber: is it possible for me to get access to the iTalc wiki page on help.ubuntu.com so i can add the section regarding putting it into LTSP, or do you want me to create a new page?
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<berriop>
i have not a lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, should i create the file with just that entry?
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<ogra>
you need a header line as well
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[default]
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START_ITALC=True
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thats how it should look like
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<berriop>
ok thanks, im reading the ltsp twiki
13:04
thanks ogra
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<ogra>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
13:06
<ogra>
see that url
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<berriop>
ok I created the lts.conf file with that entry, restarted the client and in the server the italc says no user logged in
13:11
i try to start ica in the client and same error "ISD-server could not be started because por 5800 is already in use"
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<ogra>
did you check it doesnt run already ?
13:13
START_ITALC=True should exactly do that
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<berriop>
ok
13:15
yes it is running when i log in
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but the italc server still says "No user logged in"
13:16
should i create new ica keys?
13:16
i am using the default ones
13:17
italc recognises when the computer is switched on but not when the user log in
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in the client there are two ica processes, one in port 6027 and another in port 5924 and both of them below to the server user
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i think the client didnt start the italc, even after creating the lts.conf file
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<alkisg>
berriop, what's your setup? i.e. you've installed italc to the chroot? (I suppose no). And you're running italc from the server or from a tc?
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<berriop>
nop i didnt installed to the chroot, im running italc from the server
13:24
first I installed v 10.0.7 and the i removed it and installed v 1.0.9
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<alkisg>
ok, and how did you declare the client? was it autodetected or you put it in?
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<berriop>
i put it in it
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<alkisg>
On which ip/port?
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<berriop>
i didnt enter any port
13:26
just the ipaddress of the client
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<alkisg>
E.g. if your client is 192.168.0.110, then you declare it as 127.0.0.1:10110
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<berriop>
ok
13:27
i declared it just as 10.0.0.240
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<alkisg>
Because it actually runs on the server, not on the ip of the client
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<berriop>
my client is 10.0.0.240 and my server 10.0.0.2
13:27
<alkisg>
So declare it as 127.0.0.1:10240
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<berriop>
should i enter the mac address of the client?
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<alkisg>
I don't think so
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<berriop>
same, it says no user logged in
13:30
<alkisg>
You may have to close and reopen the client window (inside italc)
13:30
Better yet, close italc and start it again
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<berriop>
ok
13:30
restarted
13:31
now i have both screens, and in both says no user logged in
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<berriop>
if i turn the client of the one with the 10.0.0.240 recognised it and it says "Host unreachable"
13:33
the one you told me the 127.0.0.1:10240 still says "User no logged in"
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<alkisg>
run this on a server console: ps aux | grep "ica" | grep -v grep | grep -v "rx11vs" | grep "isdport" | sed "s/.* -isdport //"
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<berriop>
5800 -ivsport 5900
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<alkisg>
That's all? No 10240? Then ica wasn't started on the thin client...
13:34
Did you restart the server after you installed italc?
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<berriop>
but i created the lts.conf file with START_ITALC=True
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<alkisg>
(basically, you can do it without restarting, but I don't know how)
13:35
I think START_ITALC=True is for when you install italc to the chroot, but I might be wrong on this, haven't checked it.
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<berriop>
ok, so how can i start italc on the client manually
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<ogra>
it should start automatically on login actually
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<alkisg>
Uh, this I don't know. It's ica-launcher, but I don't know if you can run it as a simple user. Try it though.
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<berriop>
if i enter ica it says  ISD-server could not be started because por 5800 is already in use
13:37
<ogra>
you dont want to run ica
13:37
<berriop>
but it doesnt start automatically
13:37
<ogra>
you want ica-launcher beong started as a session service on user login
13:37
*being
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<berriop>
ok, but the lts.conf doesnt seems to work then
13:38
<ogra>
lts.conf only applies to stuff directly on the clinet
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<berriop>
do i have to do ltsp-update-image after create lts.conf??
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<ogra>
if you have italc-client installed on the server it should just start
13:39
no, no need for ltsp-update-image
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<berriop>
ok, so why ica doesnt start on the client??
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<alkisg>
ogra, I think that after installation I had to restart the server to be able to see the clients. It didn't work without restart (and I didn't know how to start it manually).
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<berriop>
okok i will restart the server
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<ogra>
might be that you need to do that for the ssh keys to take effect, yes
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<berriop>
b back in a min
13:40
thanks
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<berriop>
:( server restarted
13:45
no user logged in
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<alkisg>
and? still nothing?
13:45
<berriop>
nothing
13:45
i think the problem is with the ica in the client
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<alkisg>
can you give this again? ps aux | grep "ica" | grep -v grep | grep -v "rx11vs" | grep "isdport" | sed "s/.* -isdport //"
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<berriop>
same 5800 -ivsport 5900
13:46
<alkisg>
Yeap, not started...
13:47
Any error messages when you logged on the client?
13:47
<ogra>
what happens if you start ica-launcher in a gnome-terminal from a client ?
13:47
<berriop>
ooooooook
13:47
:)
13:47
now
13:48
so the problem is with the lts.conf
13:48
why it doesn't work?
13:48
<alkisg>
You don't need to put anything in lts.conf if you don't install it on the chroot
13:48
<ogra>
it doesnt apply to the server
13:48
<berriop>
should i put the ica-launcher in the sessions menu?
13:48
<ogra>
right
13:48
<alkisg>
No, try it manually like this:
13:48
<ogra>
system->settings->sessions
13:48
<berriop>
ok
13:49
<alkisg>
ica -noshm -isdport 11240 -ivsport 10240
13:49
<ogra>
add it there as a service
13:49
<berriop>
ok
13:49
thanks very much
13:49
<alkisg>
and this: /usr/bin/ica -rx11vs -noshm -nosel -nosetclipboard -rfbport 10240 -rx11vs -isdport 11240 -role other
13:49
ogra, these parameters will be automatically given?
13:50
uh, right, ica-launcher
13:50
<ogra>
alkisg, they once were but i dont know what stgraber changed since i tested it last ... it also used to start automatically for me
13:51
<alkisg>
ica-launcher detects whether it runs on the server or in the chroot and it puts the neseccary parameters
13:51* ogra calls it a day
13:52
<alkisg>
ogra, bye...!
13:52
<berriop>
should i update the ltsp section in the ubuntu wiki?? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iTalc
13:53
with the steps i followed?
13:53
<ogra>
alkisg, bye :)
13:53
Lns, the Flash doc isnt accurate for intrepid ... no libflashsupport anymore ...
13:54
<alkisg>
berriop, no, it's supposed to start automatically (e.g. in my server I didn't have to do anything)
13:54
<ogra>
(flash 10 can work without it ... please note that libflashsupport is a hardy and gutsy thing only)
13:54
<berriop>
ok
13:54
<ogra>
anyway, really gone now
13:54
<Lns>
ogra: ok
13:55
<sbalneav>
hey all, quicky question
13:55
So, on the update-manager, when you look at a package, it tells you what bugs it's fixing.
13:55
Any way to get that information from the command line?
13:55
<ogra>
well, if the packager did a proper changelog entry
13:56
its only showing the changelog
13:56
<sbalneav>
right, so how do I see that
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<ogra>
sbalneav, apt-listchanges
13:56
<sbalneav>
beaaauuutiful.
13:56* sbalneav hugs ogra
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<ogra>
now *really* gone for the evening :P
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14:02
<berriop>
it is possible to log in a client from the server using the italc??
14:04
<stgraber>
no
14:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
someone point me towards setup info for ubuntu and nxclient on a ltsp client boot? I'm having trouble with the screen scripts
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<berriop>
how can I get a remote shell in the server from one of the clients?
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<Lns>
berriop: opening a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal will open a shell on the LTSP server
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<Lns>
Has anyone had any issues w/localdev USB drives and copying files? I'm seeing that filenames get copied to my USB drive, but they are 0 bytes in size...not very useful!
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<Lns>
Yikes. And in some cases, the empty file doesn't even get copied. What's going on?
15:19
<sbalneav>
Is the fuse mount there?
15:19
Can you copy from the drive
15:19
<Lns>
sbalneav: yes and yes...interestingly enough, creating a new file in the chroot tty works fine
15:20
although when pulling the drive, a bunch of "Buffer I/O error" msgs come up
15:20
is that normal?
15:20
(I'm using hardy)
15:21
<sbalneav>
This a USB hard drive?
15:21
<Lns>
I'm normally trying to copy via Nautilus
15:21
sbalneav: USB thumbdrive
15:21
flash
15:21
<sbalneav>
ok
15:22
Just this one particular drive? Or all drives?
15:22
<Lns>
lemme try another one
15:22
pretty sure it's not just this one thou
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15:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
so has anyone in here set up an nxclient session on boot before? I would like to see an example scree.d script if possible
15:28
scree.d = screen.d
15:28
<sbalneav>
Check the mailing list archives. I seem to recall someone posting something a year or so ago.
15:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
thx scott
15:32
<Lns>
ltsp chroots don't have ntfs f/s support by default do they?
15:33
hmm, seems to, but it's not showing up when plugging into a TC
15:33
manually mounting works
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<_UsUrPeR_>
moo as in master of orion?
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<Lns>
hmm, my brand new 500GB USB HDD (just formatted w/ntfs fs) isn't popping up on my TC.
15:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
lns: is it not mounting, or just not showing on the desktop?
15:40
<Lns>
_UsUrPeR_: not mounting
15:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
I had a problem with that in ubuntu as well originally...
15:40
<Lns>
manually mounting works fine
15:41* _UsUrPeR_ checks something
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<sbalneav>
Lns: No, no support for ntfs
15:41
<Lns>
sbalneav: ah, you're right. It'll mount, but not write files
15:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
:O crazytown
15:42
<Lns>
but that's aside from my other flash-drive, that's FAT fs
15:42
yeah, why no ntfs support?
15:44
Hmm, my flash drive won't delete files either - delete a file, it goes away in nautilus...pull the drive, put it back, and it's there again
15:44* Lns wishes he had another usb flash drive handy
15:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
that's weird
15:44
<sbalneav>
IIRC, ntfs has to be run as a fuse filesystem, and we haven't got fuse running on the thin client.
15:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
like RO, but it tricks you
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<Lns>
yea
15:47
Hmm, ok.. pulling the drive without manually unmounting it will cause it to lose any changes during mount
15:47
(if not manually mounted)
15:47
<sbalneav>
NTFS?
15:47
<Lns>
no, FAT
15:47
this is my flash drive now
15:47
<sbalneav>
How long are you waiting?
15:47
it takes 2 seconds to flush
15:48
<Lns>
sbalneav: longer than that
15:48
at least 10-20 sec
15:48
<sbalneav>
Nope, unmounts happen at two second intervals
15:48
<Lns>
sbalneav: no i meant i wait 10-20sec ;)
15:48
<sbalneav>
now, if you've written a LOT of data, the flush might actually take a while
15:49
then you've got something wrong with that flash drive, I'd say.
15:49
Or at least, somthing that the scripts don't like.
15:50
<Lns>
hrm...now this time it worked..although i saw the drive light flashing about 30 seconds after i copied the file
15:50
<sbalneav>
How big's the file?
15:50
<Lns>
588kb
15:50
but they were varying in size
15:50
all less than 1mb though
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<Lns>
i dunno..i won't rule out my drive is failing i guess, until i try another one
15:50
just weird
15:51
i've only had issues with it in my TC
15:51
<sbalneav>
Well, ltspfsd unmounts the drive after 2 seconds of network inactivity. Now, if the terminals having problems talking to the USB stick, either because of a duffy stick, or a faulty USB port, then the umount itself could take a while to happen.
15:52
So if it's only an issue in your TC, I'd say you have a hardware problem.
15:52
failing USB port, etc.
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<Lns>
sbalneav: well it wouldn't be the port as i've tried multiple, and a usb hub... I just counted the amount of time after copying a file in nautilus to my flash drive - 27seconds for the light to start flashing (assuming it's flushing). After that, i pull the drive and put it back in and the file is there in full size
15:54
any time before that it won't stick, but the filename is there
15:55
or not, seems random
15:55
(filename)
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<Lns>
too strange. ok i'll try later w/a different drive.
15:56
<sbalneav>
Take a look at dmesg on the thin client
15:56
you're probably getting retry errors on the USB port
16:01
<Lns>
sbalneav: nope actually.. but like i said, it does throw some buffer i/o errors on pulling the drive
16:01
it seems to work better when i wait a while (definitely closer to 30sec than 2)
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<Lns>
be back in a bit.
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<johnny>
what's going to be the best way to install intrepid from a usb stick?
16:09
anybody have any recommendations?
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<sbalneav>
I'd expect the same way you'd install all the previous versions from USB.
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<sbalneav>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
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<sbalneav>
I've used the manual approach in the past.
16:13
<johnny>
actually.. i think she should just net install..
16:13
if possible..
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19:32* vagrantc finally caved into signing up for ltsp-discuss
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: hey, congrats. ltsp-discuss is where all the cool people hang out
19:34
<vagrantc>
that project shogunx was working on sounds interesting
19:34
but i now have to learn how to make extensive use of delete-thread.
19:34
<Nubae>
indeed
19:34
ltsp-discuss has a lot of traffic lately
19:34
<vagrantc>
and hope people aren't totally changing topic without starting new threads
19:35
<petre>
well, not totally
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
21:20
noticed this in syslog: Oct 27 19:12:04 ltsp ldm: *** glibc detected *** ldm: free(): invalid pointer: 0x088c8c30 ***
21:20
that's with ldm 2.0.14 + what's in bzr
21:24* Ryan52 looks
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<vagrantc>
seems like i was also getting those messages on october 24th
21:27
<Ryan52>
since when does ldm log to syslog?
21:27* Ryan52 doesn't even have a syslog
21:28
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: syslog on the server ...
21:28
Ryan52: have to enable remote logging
21:35
hmmm.. 10/24 is when i tested your patches :)
21:54
<Ryan52>
something is broken with my test environment tonight. very broken. it wasn't doing this last time I was doing stuff. but when I try and log out it just hangs. If I put "exec xterm" in my .xsession and try again, it still just hangs after I exit the xterm...
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<shogunx>
thanx vagrantc