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Channel log from 2 February 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
hmmm...
00:20
apparently there are issues with straight squashfs...
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: you may want to try uncompressed squashfs (-n parameter to ltsp-update-image), in some cases it can give you something that's a lot more stable
00:36
anyway, time for some sleep here. Talk to you tomorrow
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: ping?
07:14
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, not there :)
07:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
bleh
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<grantk>
good morning
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all
09:50
I am testing out setting up DHCP failover, and I'm noticing that "deny dynamic bootp clients;" is a required line for dhcp3 to use failover correctly. Will this affect client booting?
09:50* _UsUrPeR_ is not sure if bootp == pxe
09:54
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: its not a problem
09:54
afaik
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: opensuse has the LVDS Atom problem previously experienced in Ubuntu. Could you point myself and cyberorg towards the intel tweak?
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: remind me...
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: LVDS on Atom thinclients is the output that is perceived as existing because it's the primary video output on Atom notepads. On thin clients, It's detected on boot as an operating device, which causes gnome display manager to start defaulted to "mirror mode" with a standard resolution of 1024x768. It was fixed in the 9.04 release
10:08
however, before that, it was necessary to load a xorg.conf with "lvds ignore" set in 8.10
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<Gadi>
do you know if it was fixed by us or by intel upstream?
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<akuepker>
Anybody else here have experience with Ubuntu/LTSP5 in business deployments?
10:29
<appiah>
depends on what you mean with business deployment
10:31
<akuepker>
basic office deployment with web browser, openoffice, email
10:31
<appiah>
sounds pretty much as a basic deployment of ltsp
10:31
yes I have experince with that
10:31
<sbalneav>
akuepker: yup
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<akuepker>
exactly. having major instability problems with what should be a great piece of kit. Dell GX260s.
10:32
<appiah>
and not that I could speak for most but id say its the most common use of LTSP
10:32
<sbalneav>
Been running LTSP on the desktop here since March, 2000.
10:33
akuepker: how much ram, cpu, videocard, etc?
10:33
<akuepker>
onboard Intel video, 512MB ram, 2Ghz cpu
10:33
but also reporting major problems with latency that weren't showing up on the previous Dell GX1s, which I find quite odd.
10:34
<sbalneav>
Define "Instability"?
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<akuepker>
one group is reporting the X server memory consumption problems where the terminal gets progressively slower until it locks up and they have to restart.
10:35
Another group is reporting problems where keypresses take 15 seconds to show up.
10:35
<appiah>
O_o
10:35
<akuepker>
the server is a 2x2.4Ghz with 12GB RAM and Gbit Ethernet.
10:35
SATA Raid with a 9550 card too
10:35
<appiah>
Have you always had these problems?
10:36
with this hardware
10:36
<sbalneav>
akuepker: Which OS and version?
10:36
<grantk>
hello again, all. I am trying to setup ldm load balancing between two servers. I can give the user the server list manually, but it is in a place that most of my users would never see, nor do I want them to have to make the decision of where to logon to. I have modified the example script from the ltsp Manual using the nc output, specifically the rating.
10:36
<akuepker>
Ubuntu9.10/LTSP5
10:36
the server's been quite good since we put it in 3 months ago, but the users seem to think the new terminal hardware is awful.
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<sbalneav>
X server memory consumption in what? Firefox?
10:37
<grantk>
I can run this script by hand with the server input directly and it will return the proper server at the top of the list. If however I try and have it run on ldm boot I get no results, the server always boots to the server that gave it it's ip from dhcp, Which I have loaded the results at this time to be the non preferred server
10:37
Here is my lts.conf and the get_hosts script: http://pastie.org/806081
10:37
the servers are running ubuntu 9.04
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<akuepker>
That's what I was thinking. I set X_VIDEO_RAM = 65535 as an experiment, which reportedly made things worse re: crashing.
10:39
<alkisg>
akuepker: so if you set XSERVER=vesa everything is a bit slower, but stable?
10:40
(i.e. could this be a driver issue?)
10:40
<akuepker>
hmm. we could go back to that.
10:40
we had to set the color depth to 16 to get the video drivers to work.
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<alkisg>
If it proves to be a driver issue, I think the intel driver has some options that you could try
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<sbalneav>
Sounds like a video driver issue to me.
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<alkisg>
(exa/uxa etc... see the man page)
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<Gadi>
grantk: dont use single quotes in lts.conf
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<akuepker>
man for exa/uxa or for lts.conf?
10:42
<Gadi>
always double quotes
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<alkisg>
akuepker: man intel, I think
10:43
<grantk>
Gadi: Updating now and retrying
10:43
<akuepker>
ah
10:43
<grantk>
Thank you
10:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: about where the LVDS issue was fixed: I am not sure. All I know, is that checking client xorg.conf, they all have lvds ignore
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: it was prolly something you added - a script in /usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d/
10:44
<akuepker>
alkisg: ok. thanks. looks like I need to go spend some quality time with X.org and figure out how the fiddly bits work.
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<alkisg>
akuepker: you can pass xorg options from lts.conf
10:45
See the man page for lts.conf (apt-get install ltsp-docs first) to see how
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: it has been added. It's located in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d/XS20-xserver-intel-desktop-hack
10:46
ok, so that's it then, huh? :)
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<akuepker>
alkisg: thanks. I go away for 3 years and you guys change everything. =)
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<alkisg>
Heh :)
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: yup
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<grantk>
Gadi: I changed the singles to double quotes, Rebooted the client, Still get the non-optimal server. When I just try the LDM_SERVER option I am given a drop down, I assume the MY_SERVER_LIST removes that option and makes that the choice of the get_hosts script.
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<Gadi>
grantk: did you chmod +x your script?
10:51
<grantk>
Gadi: Yes, 755
10:52
Im going to try just passing the server I want it to boot to and see if I can do that.
10:52
<Gadi>
grantk: you have it here: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/get_hosts
10:53
grantk: it should be here: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/get_hosts
10:53
<grantk>
Gadi, ohh,I will give that a try then
10:53
Gadi: When I do that I should be using chroot and then rebuilding the image afterwards correct?
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<Gadi>
yes
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<alkisg>
grantk: also, do the clients have a proper dns server?
10:55
Otherwise they wouldn't be able to resolve the servers and nc to them...
10:56
<grantk>
Alkisg: They are given the proper dns servers by the dhcp server. I assumed this is passed to them on the first or second dhcp call
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<alkisg>
I don't think so
10:56
Which distro/version are you using?
10:56
<grantk>
ok, I will try ip then
10:56
ubuntu 9.04
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<alkisg>
Yeah, no
10:56
You need to declare DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN in lts.conf
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(both are needed for 9.04)
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<grantk>
ohh, cool, btw, I tried to install ltsp-docs a few minutes ago(I had not see before) is there a specific repo for these?
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<alkisg>
They're in 9.10. For 9.04, you'd need stgraber's ppa, but I think it also have newer ltsp versions which I don't know if you want to try
10:58
I think you can just download the .deb for the docs...
10:58
http://packages.ubuntu.com/ltsp-docs
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<grantk>
cool
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<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, in the mean time you can get that file into the client image without rebuilding, see http://pastebin.com/f2ba10d6d
11:00
more http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks#Using_custom_configuration_for_the_client
11:01
'night all
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<sbalneav>
ogra: ping
11:12
<ogra>
yup
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<sbalneav>
hey, who's your evolution expert. I'm trying to debug something for edubuntu, and I can't figure out where evolution picks up it's calendar and addressbook defaults
11:14
I've got evoldap setup, and it's supplying the right gconf keys, but evo seems to be ignoring them, and pulling it's own defaults from somewhere
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I'm trying to figure out why
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<ogra>
sbalneav, seb128
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<sbalneav>
Is he on at this time?
11:15
I'm in #ubuntu-devel right now.
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<ogra>
i think evo uses ~/.evolution beyond gconf
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<ogra>
we are having a plenary session atm so even if he's online he might listen to the talk, i'd wait for 30-60 min
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<sbalneav>
ok
11:16
I'll ping him then.
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<grantk>
alkisg: I have been able to define a DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN in my lts.conf, I also tried using just the ip address of the servers. It appears to be working because if I watch the syslog on the server I want to connect to I see a connection from the client on login, but the ldsm just shows verifying password, then spits out could not connect to the server and reloads. I have updated my lts.conf as follows: http://pastie.org/806081
11:42
If I try just using the server I would like to boot to for testing purposes in the MY_SERVER_LIST it gives me the no response from server message rather quickly, If i just specify the server I really do not want to boot from(the one giving out the ip via dhcp) it will boot to that server no problem.
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<Gadi>
grantk: you probably don't have keys for those servers in ssh_known_hosts
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<grantk>
in the chroot environment?
11:43
<Gadi>
yeah
11:43
OR you can cheat
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at the cost of reduced security
11:44
and edit the chroot's /etc/ssh/ssh_config
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setting StrictHostKeyChecking no
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<grantk>
I wanted to try and keep it secure, so I will go the key route
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<Gadi>
which will open you up to the potential of man-in-the-middle attacks
11:44
sounds good
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<grantk>
Gadi: would you set that up like an normal authorized_keys file, just under /etc/ssh ?
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<Gadi>
grantk: have a look at the chroot's /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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it has same format as ~/.ssh/known_hosts
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<grantk>
oh
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<Gadi>
grantk: basically the servers' public keys
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<grantk>
I think I got it, I just connected to the servers via normal ssh in the chroot, accepted the keys, then called ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Ok, so I am attempting to use DHCP failover with ltsp, but I can't seem to get a tftp connection once my client has pulled an IP address. Here's my dhcpd.conf from my primary DHCP server: http://pastebin.com/m167e55f6
11:56
dhcp seems to work, but I can't seem to pass off the connection to my separate ltsp server with "option next server"
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Is anybody familiar?
12:00
I have set up ip forwarding from eth1 to eth0 as well
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: did you set up NAT?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: yeah, I set iptables to use masquerading for -t nat
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The fact that the ltsp server is on a completely different subnet should not matter, correct? eth0 is on the same subnet and pulling DHCP from out gateway...
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<Gadi>
there's only one dhcp server on the thin client subnet, right?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: correct
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Gadi: to lay this out visually: 192.168.1.xxx subnet ---> eth0 on DHCP server (assigned by DHCP) ---> eth1 serving DHCP, statically assigned IP address ---> booting clients.
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hmm
12:19* _UsUrPeR_ notices he can't ping his 10.1.15.xxx server IP addresses
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<_UsUrPeR_>
from the 192.168.1.xxx subnet
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<grantk>
Gadi: No luck on the keys, I am not getting an ldm -> screen goes black -> back to ldm. and still two connect syslog entries from the client
12:34
is there anywhere that more information is logged about the connections?
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<Gadi>
grantk: just because you say yes from a shell, doesn't make ltsp-update-sshkeys work
12:44
:)
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ltsp-update-sshkeys updates with the boot server's keys
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the others you must add yourself
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<grantk>
Gadi: I checked the /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts files and there were keys present though
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<Gadi>
the correct keys?
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<grantk>
I took my server on it's word, I will do some comparing
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<Gadi>
and it doesn't count if they are there in the runtime chroot
12:49
the runtime thin client OS is read-only chroot + read-write tmpfs overlay
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the stuff in the overlay does not persist upon reboot
12:50
now, what you could do, is scp those keys from the runtime chroot to the server,
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add them to the chroot's ssh_known_hosts file on the server
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and update the image
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<vbundi>
.
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<Gadi>
then, they will be there when you reboot
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<grantk>
Gadi: ok, I will do that
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<akuepker>
thanks for your help on the GX260s. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with the batch. setting XSERVER to "vesa" completely broke the video most of them, so we're going to end up putting the GX1s back in.
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<johnny>
btw folks
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warren is working on sabayon with sbalneav sorta now :)
13:03
that guy sure gets around
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<sbalneav>
johnny: Yeah, he's going to take a look at a few things.
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<sbalneav>
He's got access to far better resources than I do, so he'll hopefully get the mozilla bookmarking thing fixed.
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<johnny>
sbalneav, really tho.. perhaps you could talk to warren about fixing some of the problems that make sabayon so hard to implement properly.. as he could perhaps make gnome go in a direction that makes sabayon have to do less
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like give gconf group abilities natively or somethin
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<sbalneav>
johnny: Well, I guess really what I need to start doing is reading up on dconf or whatever the next big thing is.
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Right now, I'm struggling with evoldap
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<johnny>
start with just gsettings
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i think things will work better if you do that :)
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<sbalneav>
right, I can never remember what the new thing's called.
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: http://trac.ebox-platform.com/wiki/Document/Documentation/EboxDesktop ==> "Evolution (Mail service): The mail account of the user is read from LDAP and added. "
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I don't know if that helps you...
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<sbalneav>
At 41, by the time I managed to wrap my head around a technology to the point where I really understand it, they replace it on me :)
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alkisg: yeah, I've got the account stuff working a treat
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<alkisg>
Ah, ok
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<sbalneav>
but it seems to completely ignore the pre-seeded defaults for addressbook and calendar.
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what I want us to think about for 12.04 edubuntu is ldap authentication as the primary auth means.
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My "ldap everywhere" spec.
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and evoldap's, or it's successor under gnome3, is going to be a big part of that.
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<johnny>
sbalneav, well.. it really sounds like they are trying to decouple the backends so you have to know less
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it's just kinda painful to get there..
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: ok, so I have been trying to use alsa sound control to make the changes to mic boost on our clients. It turns out the alsa fix I was attempting is intermittent. I have finally experienced it on my machine. What's another way I can go about turning mic boost down to 0? I have attempted the amixer settings that you had discussed with me on Jan 26, and I have also attempted to use the alsactl restore with an asound.conf configuration file. Both do not a
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ppear to be working
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<vbundi>
hey I'm trying to edit my chroot environment to limit services that come up, ie graphical desktop... I tried finding the startup script in rc3.d but it's not there
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<_UsUrPeR_>
vbundi: so you're trying to limit your clients to terminal sessions?
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<vbundi>
well I want to run a very lightweight terminal session as 90% of users need to connect to a Windows Terminal Server
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we're running accounting software that does not work under wine
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<_UsUrPeR_>
vbundi: ok, so they're connecting with rdp?
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<vbundi>
yeah, like right now I'm running ltsp 4 and on startup screen 1 is rdesktop -f 192.168.x.x etc
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but I can't seem to get that to work in ltsp 5
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<_UsUrPeR_>
vbundi, ahh. ok, no problem. Let me get you the correct lts.conf information
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<_UsUrPeR_>
vbundi: so that I understand this correctly, all your clients are using rdp sessions to connect to Windows, correct? What version of Windows are you connecting to?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, well here's the code. You'll need an option in there (which I can get later if you need it) to get rdesktop working with Windows 2000/XP/server 2003 --- http://pastebin.com/m2d71b90d
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the RDP_SERVER option is your windows server IP address
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your screen setting will remain RDESKTOP
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<vbundi>
Using Windows 2k3
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by setting a Screen = rdesktop XX option and the RDP_SERVER option it should work then?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
look at the exact nomenclature I used in the pastebin.
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it is necessary that it remains the same. replace ett40 with an ip address, and you'll be good to go
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<vbundi>
ah cool
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now, will that stop X from loading on my thin clients
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I have a couple that are older and they seem to take a long time to load the ubuntu 8.04 environment that's being offered
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<_UsUrPeR_>
vbundi: yeah, this will skip the ldm environment in it's entirety
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<vbundi>
ah cool
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<jammcq>
hey friends
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: still no luck with nbd-proxy ... 5.1.99 worked fine.
23:57* vagrantc would really like to re-write the ltsp_nbd initramfs-tools hook to be able to dynamically determine from DHCP weather to use the nfs scripts, the NBD scripts, or the ltsp_nbd script...
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<vagrantc>
other than getting nbd-proxy working again, that's the biggest change i'd like to see.