IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 11 July 2011   (all times are UTC)

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05:15
<kim_>
hello, if i put tftp ip -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 adn getiigng image............but not on boot time
05:15
it is showing time out
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05:33
<kim_>
alkisg : tftp boot is showing time out
05:33
<alkisg>
Good morning
05:33
kim_: don't ping specific people, just ask in the channel
05:33
<kim_>
k
05:34
<alkisg>
Can you try with another switch? Or with gpxe?
05:34
<kim_>
ya i have tried with another switch ......
05:34
but having same problem
05:35
<alkisg>
The client gets an IP, and halts at tftp timeout?
05:36
<kim_>
ya it is getting ip ...but halt at tftp then show time out
05:37
<alkisg>
And if you boot that client with a usb stick, or if you put a standalone client in its place, and then try to use tftp -get , it works?
05:38
<kim_>
i put standalone client ...my system and ran that command ....it works
05:38
but aging pxe boot is not working
05:39
<alkisg>
OK. Can you try with gpxe?
05:39
!gpxe
05:39
<ltsp>
alkisg: gpxe: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/.
05:39
<kim_>
k
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05:42
<kim_>
alkisg: can u just guide me how to use that gpxe
05:42
<alkisg>
kim_: you can write it to the hard disk, to a usb stick, to a cd or to a floppy
05:42
Which one is easier for you?
05:43
<kim_>
usb stick
05:43
<alkisg>
OK, just download the stick from rom-o-matic then and write it with dd
05:44
<kim_>
there are so many download link ...i can download any one
05:45
or some specific
05:46
<alkisg>
Go there: http://rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-1.0.0/contrib/rom-o-matic/
05:47
Choose an output format: USB image (*.usb)
05:47
Click [Get image]
05:48
Then plug in a usb stick and run something like this: (sudo) dd if=bin/gpxe.usb of=/dev/sdX
05:48
Watch out to put the X for your usb stick there, e.g. sdb, because if you do it wrong and put your hard disk there, it will be erased
05:51
<kim_>
k
05:51
bin/gpxe is the path where i need to put that downloaded fine..right
05:52
<alkisg>
Yes
06:02
<kim_>
alkisg : i need to give any permissin to that .usb file in /bin
06:03
or i can put directotly to /bin folder with 644 default permission
06:05
<alkisg>
kim_: you don't need to put it in a bin folder
06:05
That was just the commandline *example* they give in their site
06:05
<kim_>
k
06:05
<alkisg>
The dd command will write it to a stick
06:05
<kim_>
k fine
06:07
k i have done that....now need to boot through usb right
06:09
now shud i boot machine with usb right ......
06:09
alkisg : r u there
06:10
<alkisg>
Yes
06:10
<kim_>
alkisg : tell me now what shud i do....
06:10
<alkisg>
Yes, boot the client with the usb stick
06:15
<kim_>
alkisg :
06:15
alkisg : ip is getting ...but image is not getting
06:15
<alkisg>
kim_: ok. Now boot again with gpxe, but press Ctrl+B to get a command line
06:15
On that command line, enter those 2 commands:
06:15
dhcp net0
06:16
config
06:16
You'll see a blue screen with your configuration. What is the IP of the "next-server" there, and what is the actual IP of your ltsp server?
06:16
<kim_>
k
06:18
ya i have done that...but in configuration it is showing another ip
06:19
<alkisg>
Right. Remember 4 days ago when you first said you have a problem, that I gave you a link and told you that you need to fix your windows dhcp server?
06:19
<kim_>
but this shud not come ....because i have confirmed with domain team ,,,they said they have changed everything
06:19
<alkisg>
You'd have saved yourself 4 days if you followed that advice, and would have saved me 4 hours :)
06:19
<kim_>
ya , i gave them , they checked and replyed me
06:19
they have done the same
06:19
<alkisg>
They're wrong, tell them to fix the problem
06:20
Either that, or you have 2 dhcp servers on your network
06:21
<kim_>
actually this ltsp server i have set up with different ip which is showing in configuration now,,,,,
06:21
<alkisg>
All those steps are there on the tftp troubleshooting page I gave you too
06:21
!tftp
06:21
<ltsp>
alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP.
06:22
<alkisg>
It says about using gpxe, and running "config" etc there
06:22
Anyway, /me goes back to work...
06:23
<kim_>
k , shud we restart the dhcp service to change effect ,.,,,because they have change the configuration but it is not getting effecting in pxe boot
06:35
alkisg : r u there, m getting booting ....but after ubuntu loading image ...firefox shud come....blank black screen is comming
06:36
m not gettinng firefox
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06:51
<kim_>
after ubuntu loading image ...firefox shud come....blank black screen is comming in kiosk mode
07:03
<Appiah>
check the logs
07:04
see any errors or warnings?
07:08
<kim_>
Appiah : which logs i need to check
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07:59
<alkisg>
That kim_ / Guestxxxxx / viks / ki / listpi guy has been trying for 4 months now to get a remote desktop through a kiosk/java applet, has taken us probably more than 50 hours to help him so far, and he still won't accept that it'd be better for him to ask some professional to do it in a couple of hours... :-/
08:02
<muppis>
That happens.
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08:53* Hyperbyte yawns
08:53
<Hyperbyte>
Morning everyone. :)
08:54
<alkisg>
Morning Hyperbyte
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08:56
<Hyperbyte>
Found your way to BTS yet? :)
08:56
<alkisg>
Nope, it's too early too apply for sponshorship
08:59
<Appiah>
bts?
09:00
<Hyperbyte>
LTSP by the sea.
09:01
Does that mean you're gonna make it, or do you have other options? :)
09:01
*** not
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09:04
<alkisg>
It just means that I have to wait for a couple of months before applying... Nope I don't have other options, the reply in my application will be all
09:04
<Appiah>
kim_: check the xsession logs and /var/log/messages
09:05
<kim_>
k
09:05
thansk dear,, for me ltsp is working fine
09:06
but what 10.04 , i have done the same setup for 10.04 but not working .....the working one is in 9.04 which is not supported any more
09:06
can u please help me out
09:06
<Appiah>
are you still talking about the kiosk?
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09:07
<Hyperbyte>
Doesn't 11.04 work a lot better with kiosk mode than 10.04?
09:08
<Appiah>
10.04 is the LTS right?
09:08
<kim_>
ya
09:08
but kiosk mode is not working in 10.04
09:08
<Appiah>
kim_: well check the logs
09:08
start there
09:09
<kim_>
what logs i need to check on 10.04
09:10
<Appiah>
like I wrote
09:10
the xessions logs and /var/log/messages
09:23
<kim_>
Appiah : can u please how to install fresh copy of ltsp......what directry i need to remove ,, which package i need to remove before that
09:24
i am trying with 11.04
09:24
<Appiah>
so you got a FRESH INSTALL of 11.04 now?
09:24
<kim_>
yes
09:25
<Appiah>
then follow the installation guide
09:25
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
09:25
<kim_>
it will work on 11.04 right
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09:28
<kim_>
hyperbyte :is kiosk mode working with 11.04 than 10.04 ?
09:29
<Hyperbyte>
kim_, I haven't tried. I did read that with 10.04 it takes some hacking to get it working, and with 11.04 it should work out-of-the-box.
09:29
kim_, either way, you could just do an install of 11.04 and find out.
09:29
<kim_>
k
09:29
<Hyperbyte>
It's not like it would take you more than 4 hours top. Also, you could consider using Edubuntu.
09:29
It has LTSP built right in, installing LTSP on Edubuntu is a matter of selecting it during install
09:30
<kim_>
but what about kiosk mode
09:30
<Hyperbyte>
Read what I wrote above. I haven't tried it.
09:30
<alkisg>
kim_: didn't you have the kiosk mode working 4 months ago? Why are you installing and trying from scratch so many times?
09:31
<kim_>
alkisg : problem is ....i have done that set up on 9.04 , but 9.04 is not supported now
09:32
if i do fresh setup also ,it is not working
09:32
alkisg : i must try with 10.04 and above
09:32
but kiosk mode is not working
09:32
<alkisg>
Yeah when you were trying with 10.04 in May, I told you about the bug and showed you the bug report for how to fix it
09:32
Anyway, ok, do what you think is better for you.
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09:36
<kim_>
alkisg : i have tried everything .......
09:36
but on 10.04 it was not working
09:36
i followed the document
09:36
<alkisg>
Which document?
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09:40
<kim_>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/572974
09:41
this link i followed for 10.04 bug fix
09:42
<alkisg>
Yes, people there describe what to do to get a working setup. It works for them after following the steps they say.
09:42
But if you couldn't get it working, sure, go ahead and try 11.04
09:42
I still think you need professional help to fix all the local disk access + java applet problems though
09:43* alkisg heads back to work...
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09:59
<alkisg>
Btw someone here reported that the kiosk plugin had problems on 11.04 too, X wouldn't start due to a `-config xorg.conf` parameter passed with absolute path.
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09:59
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Spurgeon.
09:59
:P
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10:10
<pedronveloso>
how can I give clients permission to umount usb flash drives, without giving them sudo or su? (Ubuntu + LTSP)
10:11
<muppis>
pedronveloso, there is no need to. Just wait for a while and just unplug.
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10:12
<pedronveloso>
muppis, humm.. but people using it might try to remove one and have a document open in it.. this thin clients are used by not-tech users
10:13
<muppis>
pedronveloso, well.. It is basic knowledge of usage of usb memory. Not to remove if files open from it.
10:14
<pedronveloso>
muppis, well yes I know, but it's a "might fail" solution. I would prefer if they are able to manually do a "safely remove" just like a normal distro installation, that way it's way more damage-proof, or at least I can't be blamed in that system :P
10:15
there must be a way to do it right?
10:15
<alkisg>
No, currently there isn't, ltspfsd doesn't support it
10:16
If you want to send a patch for it though, I'm sure it would get accepted :)
10:19
<pedronveloso>
I'm not in that level yet :P
10:19
strangely, HOTPLUG was an option available in the previous version of ltsp :\
10:19
<alkisg>
What do you mean HOTPLUG?
10:19
<pedronveloso>
http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/LTSP_Configuration
10:20
search for HOTPLUG on that page
10:20
there's a snippet of lts.conf code in there with a HOTPLUG option, which I assume was what I wanted :P
10:21
<alkisg>
You mean the hotplug daemon, which was replaced by udev in all recent linux distros?
10:21
<pedronveloso>
ohhh.. that's what that is? shame on me :P
10:22
ok then. well, who knows one of these days I code this myself :). although I foresee this will be a hard task
10:22
<alkisg>
I'm sure it is, otherwise scotty would have already done it
10:24
<pedronveloso>
i'm guessing scotty is one of the active devs working on ltsp
10:24
<alkisg>
Yup
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10:32
<pedronveloso>
what's the diference between "ldm" and "startx" for the SCREEN_XY option?
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10:33
<pedronveloso>
ok.. one is local X, the other it's not. got that right?
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10:38
<alkisg>
startx == xdmcp == use the xdmcp protocol to connect to the server. This will display the server gdm, kdm, lightdm etc on the client screen. You need to enable xdmcp on the server for this to work. You loose many LTSP benefits with this, e.g. sound, local devices etc.
10:39
ldm = the ltsp display manager, which uses ssh for secure authentication, and supports remote sound, local devices etc
10:41
<pedronveloso>
oh, ok. so it's more complex than I first though. I'm looking at the scrips on opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ , and was founding out that I was wrong myself :P
10:42
strangely the PC that was having problems with localapps is not anymore, and I'vent done anything! oO
10:42
at least, not anything I can recal that would solve the issue:P
10:45
well, gotta go again. Thanks for the clarifications alkisg and muppis
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12:46
<kim_>
hi
12:47
i tried to install ltsp on 11.04
12:47
but i am not able to start dhcp services
12:47
anybosy can guide me
12:47
how to start or stop in 11.04
12:47
#ubuntu
12:50
<layus>
it depends on your dhcp server installation£. i remember ltsp-ubuntu installatio guide was very complete. maybe try "sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server (re)start"
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13:02
<Hyperbyte>
kim_: stop terrorising #ubuntu when you have people here who are helping you.
13:02
layus just gave you a good answer, so now it's your turn to give good feedback to him. What does the command output?
13:04
<kim_>
for me when i type /etc/init.d/d tab ...even service is not coming after ltsp installation on 11.04
13:04
how can i start and restart dhcp
13:04
<Hyperbyte>
You don't have a DHCP server in your network yet, correct?
13:06
<kim_>
i normally install 11.04 and then ltsp right.....then if i use /etc/init.d/ dhcp server service is not coming
13:06
thats wat i want to say
13:06
<Hyperbyte>
kim_: please read my question and answer it.
13:06
15:04 <Hyperbyte> You don't have a DHCP server in your network yet, correct?
13:06
<kim_>
ya i have
13:06
<Hyperbyte>
You do have one?
13:07
There's a DHCP server in your network, handing out IP addresses to clients already?
13:07
<kim_>
yes
13:07
<Hyperbyte>
And you're not going to remove this DHCP server once you implement LTSP, correct?
13:07
<layus>
No, got it ! It's called isc-dhcp-server so "/etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server start" should do the trick.
13:08
<Hyperbyte>
layus, no.
13:08
If there's already a DHCP server in the network, that's not gonna do the trick.
13:08
<layus>
But if you have another dhcp server... i can't do anything for you :-)
13:08
<kim_>
no but before that if i want to test ltsp locally i can't test as earliar it was ?
13:09
<Hyperbyte>
kim_, no. A network can only have one DHCP server.
13:09
Is your current DHCP server configured to point to your LTSP server for PXE boot?
13:10
<kim_>
ya it is configiured ...but that is on 9.04 .
13:10
now m testing 11.04
13:10
<Hyperbyte>
Doesn't matter.
13:10
Your LTSP server IP hasn't changed, has it?
13:11
Because if you have a DHCP server already in your network, and it is seperate from your LTSP server, it doesn't matter if you reinstall Ubuntu or not. The DHCP server stays untouched.
13:11
Skip the DHCP step alltogether for now, just build the client chroot.
13:11
<kim_>
i build it
13:11
<Hyperbyte>
What happens when you boot the client?
13:12
<kim_>
tahts what i need ....i want to boot client locally like in 192.X.X.x instead of our live network.....because there is already one ltsp server
13:13
<Hyperbyte>
Ah, so you have your LTSP server on a network switch that is seperate from the rest of your network?
13:13
There's nothing connected there but your LTSP server and your LTSP client?
13:14
<kim_>
yes
13:14
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
13:15
<kim_>
Hyperbyte: tell me the solution
13:15
<Hyperbyte>
kim_: can you be patient? I'm at work here. I don't get paid to help you.
13:16
Type: dpkg -s isc-dhcp-server
13:17
<kim_>
have some output
13:17
<Hyperbyte>
!pastebin
13:17
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here..
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<Hyperbyte>
Or actually, what does it say after "status"?
13:17
Does it say "Status: install ok installed" ?
13:17
<kim_>
yes
13:17
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
13:18
Back to layus' plan. :) Do /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server start
13:18
<layus>
:-)
13:18
<kim_>
k
13:18
it started
13:18
then
13:19
shud i boot my client locally
13:19
<Hyperbyte>
What do you mean with 'locally'?
13:19
<kim_>
i mean with 192.X.X.x as i said before
13:20
<Hyperbyte>
Your client should get an IP address from the server automatically, if everything is properly started.
13:21
<kim_>
u mean ..i can boot my client now and check
13:21
<layus>
y
13:21
<kim_>
y ?
13:21
<layus>
yes, you should...
13:22
<kim_>
k let me test , i will get back to u
13:22
<layus>
at worst, it doesn't work :-)
13:22
<Appiah>
just goes BOOM!
13:22
<Hyperbyte>
SELF DESTRUCT IN... 2 SECONDS OMG.
13:23
Nah, trying never hurts. :)
13:23
<frederickjh>
Any one here know how the dhcpd.conf is setup on LTSP Ubuntu? I am trying to install dansguardin gui from the ubuntuce repos but it has messed up my dhcp server configuration. I am wondering if /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf should be a link to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf After running the script which should have made a backup and replaced it it is a 0 byte file.
13:24
Can someone check their install and tell me if /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf is a link on their install?
13:25
<layus>
on mine it isn't. I never understood wich one was used so i hard-linked them.
13:26
<frederickjh>
Ok so does it have a configuration setup it in or is it empty?
13:26
<Hyperbyte>
frederickjh, it really doesn't matter. Your dhcpd server will use /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf most likely. If it's a symlink or direct file doesn't matter. As long as the configuration is good.
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<Hyperbyte>
Config should look like this: http://pastebin.com/duBTmuik
13:26
And 'next-server' should not be hashed I believe.
13:27
But my Ubuntu dhcpd is unconfigured, my network server is Fedora which has dhcpd configured with "next-server" to point the thin clients towards LTSP.
13:27
<layus>
Meanwhile... Does someone know how to setup a GUI server chooser ?
13:27
<frederickjh>
OK, so now I am confused. I always edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf as that is what the docs said to do.
13:28
Maybe the other file was no there so it looked for the other one?
13:28
<layus>
and it worked ?
13:28
<Hyperbyte>
frederickjh, if the docs say so, then you are doing it correctly. My point is this: the dhcpd package on Ubuntu is not part of LTSP. LTSP just makes a default configuration for it, but whatever way you configure your DHCP, where you put it, etc... it doesn't matter for LTSP, as long as it has instructions to tell thin clients where the server is (next-server in dhcpd.conf)
13:29
<frederickjh>
Yes before it worked.
13:29
I am just trying to figure out how.
13:29* Hyperbyte shrugs. :)
13:30
<frederickjh>
I will try and rename /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf and restart the dhcp-server
13:30
<layus>
So if it works by configuring etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf, just continue using this file. How is sometimes hard to figure under ubuntu.
13:30
let's see.
13:30
Ok. My turn ?
13:31
I have a strange ltsp install as i need to allow user to choose his server in a small list (+/- 5 servers). Suse, ubuntu & windows
13:32
<frederickjh>
nope did not work
13:32
<layus>
I used the "menu" tool wich is complete enough for me, but my boss wants some gui
13:32
As it looks nice ...
13:32
<frederickjh>
layus are you running Ubuntu Lucid?
13:32
Just wondering as you said that /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf was not a link.
13:33
What is it on your system, a full config?
13:33
<Hyperbyte>
frederickjh, what do you mean with 'does not work'? What's the error message?
13:34
<layus>
on my system, (natty) they were two separate files
13:34
<frederickjh>
syslog says. . . henderson dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
13:34
<Hyperbyte>
frederickjh, means no config found. Start 'dhcpd' from the command line to test, it'll give you more direct output.
13:35
Look in the /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server config for where your dhcpd.conf is supposed to be
13:35
<alkisg>
"Not configured to listen on any interfaces!" may also mean that there were some subnets declared in dhcpd.conf, but none of them matched the subnet of some ethernet interface
13:35
<frederickjh>
ok will try. I was using sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
13:35
<Hyperbyte>
Then either symlink that file to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, or make a completely new config.
13:36
<alkisg>
So if eth0=192.168.1.1 and in dhcpd.conf you have 192.168.0.x, you'll get that message
13:37
<frederickjh>
Ok, taking a look at /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server, there is a built in override. If /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf exists it will use that instead of /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
13:38
# Allow ltsp to override
13:38
if [ -f /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ]; then
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CONFIG_FILE=/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
13:38
fi
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<Hyperbyte>
:)
13:38
Then you know what to do. :)
13:39
It says no configured subnets because /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is empty. See my pastebin above for sample.
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<alkisg>
Or just delete /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
13:40
So that the default one is used instead
13:40
<kim_>
layus : isc-dhcp-service is not geiing restarting
13:40
saying check syslog
13:40
<Hyperbyte>
kim_: type 'dhcpd' and pastebin the output
13:40
<frederickjh>
Sorry Hyperbyte actually that is the good config.
13:40
The other config is 0 bytes.
13:41
<Hyperbyte>
frederickjh, then it should work from the init script.
13:41
<frederickjh>
Yes it should but it isn't.
13:41
<Hyperbyte>
Else try dhcpd -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
13:41
<frederickjh>
There is something else that changed.
13:42
<Hyperbyte>
And as alkisg said, make sure /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf contains the range for your network card.
13:42
<frederickjh>
Event stopping the server fails.
13:42
<kim_>
yes exactly ....but service is nto getting starting then whats the use of other
13:43
<Hyperbyte>
kim_: type 'service isc-dhcp-server start', and paste everything in /var/log/syslog about dhcpd to pastebin
13:44
<frederickjh>
I looked at /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and I believe it has not changed as the last date modified is July 5, 2010, over a year ago.
13:45
<alkisg>
frederickjh: pastebin it, and also pastebin the output of `ip -oneline -family inet addr show`
13:46
<kim_>
can u please tell me on 11.04 , on desktop how to start terminal
13:47
there is not option i can see
13:47
again and agin m going to alt+f2
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<frederickjh>
It is under accessories
13:47
<kim_>
so that i can paste my out on pastbin
13:47
they have changed everything in 11.04 there is not option like that
13:47
can u please guide me
13:48
<frederickjh>
Sorry I do not have that version here.
13:48
<Hyperbyte>
kim_, like frederickjh said - it's under "Accessoires"
13:48
Either that, or ALT+F2 xterm
13:48
<frederickjh>
But if you can edit the main menu under System then you could add a menu item.
13:48
<layus>
ctrl + T should do it also...
13:51
<frederickjh>
http://pastebin.com/duYgE6UB alkisg
13:51
<Hyperbyte>
eth0 is 192.168.1.x, your dhcpd.conf says 192.168.0.x
13:53
Hence dhcpd not having any configuration for an interface it can listen on
13:53
<frederickjh>
It has reconfigured my ltsp subnet
13:54
the ltsp subnet is 192.168.0.x
13:54
the internet interface is 192.168.1.x
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<frederickjh>
Now I need to figure out where it change the subnet.
13:55
<Hyperbyte>
What is it supposed to be?
13:55
Your LTSP server IP?
13:55
You need to either fix your IP to match your dhcpd.conf (/etc/network/interfaces) or fix your dhcpd.conf to match your IP
13:55
<frederickjh>
192.168.1.15 to the firewall router and 192.168.0.254 LTSP network
13:56
Yes I see that now, thanks
13:56
<Hyperbyte>
On a side note, and I hope he/she doesn't read the logs
13:56
But I'm mighty irritated about this kim_ person...
13:57
alkisg warned me, and thought "okay, let's see... how bad can it be to try and help this person"
13:57
But boy, this is challenge...
13:57
Heh
13:59
<layus>
...
13:59
<Hyperbyte>
What? :P Not nice of me to say that in public? :P
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14:00
<layus>
So none of you guys ever tried to setup some minimal gui (kiosk mode) interface in place of this "menu" cli menu chooser ? I'm currently trying to install as simple xfce.
14:01
oh, and i was not worried a bit by your comment about kim_, i kinda agree.
14:04
<Hyperbyte>
:) Not me, by the way.
14:05
<layus>
thx, first answer :)
14:06
<Hyperbyte>
I read your question all previous times, but honestly I have no idea what the cli menu chooser is. I'm sure I've never used it though.
14:07
I can tell you that I would tell my boss it'd take at least 10 hours to investigate the possibility of a GUI, and 40 hours to implement, and if he's sure if he wants you to spend all that time (=money) on eye-candy.
14:07
Unless of course you really like the project. :P
14:08
<layus>
In fact we really like this project :)
14:08
<Hyperbyte>
Heheh, okay then. :-D
14:09
<layus>
but the real reason is that we have about 50 neoware thin clients that are useless because the box no longuer exists, and newer protocols, (xdmcp, rdp) are no longer supported.
14:10
So, as we don't want to by 50 new thin clients, we are triyng ltsp, and it works pretty well :-)
14:10
<frederickjh>
Ok, I am going to try a reboot as everything checks out. Some how I have a feeling that this is a permission issue. /etc/network/interfaces checkes out ok too.
14:11
<Hyperbyte>
layus, LTSP started as a hobby project for me too. In fact, most of the great open source software our company now depends on (linux, asterisk, ltsp) started as hobby projects. :)
14:11
<layus>
but end user NEED (as they say) a gui interface.
14:12
<Hyperbyte>
layus, okay, so explain to me what exactly you want them to be able to choose between.
14:12
<layus>
btw, give a look at /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/menu script
14:12
<Hyperbyte>
What's the menu chooser you're talking of?
14:12
Ah
14:13
You can't pre-choose this for them?
14:13
I.e, as a per-client setting?
14:14
<layus>
No, they need to be able to connect either to windows or linux.
14:15
and i don't like the idea to open one login screen for each server.
14:15
first because windows kills unused connection, and because it's completely useless
14:16
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, I can imagine. Plus, if they don't like a cli menu chooser, they're not gonna like CTRL+ALT+F3,F4,F5...
14:16
Well, unless someone here has done something similar, I guess you need to get coding. :)
14:17
<layus>
oh, they gonna like it, but only with a big yellow post-it on their desktop...
14:17
<Hyperbyte>
Actually, I have a softphone which has shortcuts in the F-range for pick up, hang up and bring window to front
14:17
<layus>
i just found something promising : idesk
14:18
<Hyperbyte>
I bought little green, red and yellow stickers for on the keyboards. They are very happy with that. :)
14:18
<layus>
:-)
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<Hyperbyte>
Hey, if you manage to get something going... make your work public, see if it can be included in LTSP's screen scripts by default. :)
14:18
<layus>
sure !
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<frederickjh>
Anyone know what port the tftp server is on?
14:25
<Hyperbyte>
69 udp
14:25
See /etc/services
14:25
<frederickjh>
ok, I think the network is ok subnet wise but now the firewall is, I think blocking the tftp server.
14:26
Which is not allowing the clients to boot.
14:26
I am getting a tftp server timeout.
14:27
<Hyperbyte>
Your switch could also be blocking UDP traffic. Also, you could try from localhost to make sure the server is okay. Ubuntu has a 'tftp' client in it's repositories.
14:29
<alkisg>
!tftp
14:29
<ltsp>
alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP.
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<frederickjh>
I just turned off the firewall that the dansguarding gui installed.
14:44
That took care of that problem, but I think also took away the transparent proxy that it setup too.
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15:01
<layus>
Is there a way to update mounted fs from client ? I updated some files from server chroot and dont want to reboot all the time... Thanks !
15:05
<Hyperbyte>
layus, don't think so. nbd keeps serving old image until next reconnect. You'd have to completely remount the root filesystem for that, maintaining all open file connections. NFS can do that, but I not NBD I think.
15:05
-I
15:06
<layus>
oh, cool. I use Debian here at work... So i'm on nfs !
15:06
<Hyperbyte>
Well then you don't have to reboot the client at all I think.
15:06
NFS is a live filesystem over network.
15:06
<layus>
seems like a copy-on-write version on client side.
15:07
<Hyperbyte>
NBD is a block device over network, which is then mounted a filesystem (hence not being able to change the block device without unmounting)
15:07
layus, mm... you sure? Keep in mind some dirs are mounted as tmpfs on client boot, not all dirs in / are nfs.
15:07
Put a new folder in /opt/ltsp/i386/, see if it appears in / on the client.
15:08
<layus>
yes... I'll check :)
15:08
yeah, it did appear.
15:09
<Hyperbyte>
:)
15:09
Type 'mount' to see which dirs are mounted outside of nfs
15:09
(I assume you knew that though)
15:10
<layus>
Yes. But modified files (client side) are not updated
15:10
till next reboot
15:10
so i suspected copy on write. But i never met this with nfs...
15:11
<Hyperbyte>
NFS does everything on the server, nothing locally.
15:11
<layus>
so it's definitely strange :)
15:11
<Hyperbyte>
Your client can write to some dirs locally because those are mounted as tmpfs, or ramfs or whatever. Those are wiped after reboot.
15:11
The NFS root should be mounted as read-only on the client.
15:12
<layus>
... stupid me...
15:13
<Hyperbyte>
? :)
15:13
<layus>
so it's definitely tmpfs type
15:13
<Hyperbyte>
:)
15:14
I believe everything in /var/ is, amongst some other dirs
15:14
<layus>
most of /var in facts
15:15
ok, let's see this tomorow...
15:15
<Hyperbyte>
:)
15:15
<layus>
see you :)
15:15
<Hyperbyte>
Talk to you later
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15:15
<Hyperbyte>
Hey, you're from Belgium!
15:16
<layus>
y
15:16
<Hyperbyte>
Wat een verrassing. ;-)
15:16
<- Dutch
15:17
<layus>
Got verdomme ;-) Mar ik spreek niet zo goed nederlands...
15:17
<Hyperbyte>
This is an English channel anyways.
15:17
<layus>
Liever Frans...
15:17
oh, i forgot...
15:17
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, no... my French is horrible. :-D
15:18
<layus>
ah, btw, how do you use private discussion ? we are spamming the channel
15:18
<Hyperbyte>
Hehe, /msg <user> <msg>
15:18
Should consider getting a real IRC client. :)
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<layus>
simple... I'ts the first time ever i use an irc channel !
15:19
<Hyperbyte>
Ah. Well hope your experience so far is nice. :) #ltsp has saved my job on several occassions. :)
15:21
<layus>
it was very nice !
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22:54
<andygraybeals>
my restaurant's power is out
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<Hyperbyte>
andygraybeals, you must be hungry.
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(heh)
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<andygraybeals>
hehehe. )_
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power just came bac on... trying to get all the machines running now
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<Hyperbyte>
:)
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I'll have some fries and a hamburger.
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<andygraybeals>
point of sale is up
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phone system is up
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<Hyperbyte>
Yes yes yes, fascinating. Where's my food?!
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<andygraybeals>
hahhaah :)
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<andygraybeals>
k.. my mail server is coming up and my fileserver just came up
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<Hyperbyte>
:)
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