IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 23 May 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<Hyperbyte>
Morning Gavin. :)
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<Da-Geek>
hey Hyperbyte,
01:02
it looks so strange seeing people call me by my Real Name....
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normally when i see my real name, it means im in trouble.. :-p
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<Hyperbyte>
SPURGEON, GET YOUR ASS OVER HERE, NOW!
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:>
01:03
How are ya?
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<sep>
Da-Geek, if they use your full name including optinal middle names it's time to hide.
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<Da-Geek>
sep, if anyone can find out my middle name, them i am in a whole world of ******
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:-)
01:05
Hyperbyte, dude, dont ask.... :-(
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<Hyperbyte>
Hmm
01:15
You have hidden it well I think.
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<Hyperbyte>
:)
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<andygraybeal>
morrningin
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<andygraybeal>
alkisg, you have a huge last name :)
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<warren>
Hey folks.
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<warren>
I found a problem in ldm, the standard scripts are incompatible with Fedora/RHEL because it uses nc with the -q parameter.
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-q only works on Debian/SuSE, not Fedora/RHEL
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Fedora/RHEL defaults to the -q behavior
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http://hg.fedorahosted.org/hg/virt-manager/rev/1f781890ea4a This is a similar issue
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see their ugly kludge? could we use something similar to that?
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<stgraber>
I guess we'd have to ...
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<stgraber>
IIRC it's not even consistent in Debian/Ubuntu as two packages ship the "nc" command, one with -q and the other without
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<vagrantc>
warren: long time no see
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<alkisg>
Maybe on ltsp-common-functions we could make an "nc" function that would make the check on first calls, and even cache the result for later calls...
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<warren>
stgraber, wow
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<alkisg>
alkisg@alkis:~$ /bin/nc.traditional -q
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/bin/nc.traditional: option requires an argument -- 'q'
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alkisg@alkis:~$ /bin/nc.openbsd -q
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/bin/nc.openbsd: option requires an argument -- 'q'
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Both packages allow -q
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<warren>
nc: invalid option -- 'q'
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alkisg, are all cases of nc usage in LTSP using "nc -q..." ?
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<alkisg>
netcat-openbsd (1.89-1) unstable; urgency=low
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- Add the -q (quit on standard input EOF) flag.
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warren: fedora has netcat-openbsd, right?
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Which version?
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<warren>
alkisg, appears to be from openbsd version 1.84
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<alkisg>
-q was added in 2008... maybe you could ask an upgrade?
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<warren>
alkisg, not possible
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<alkisg>
OK
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I haven't looked at the nc calls in LTSP, but if there's need, we could override it with a function or even with a shell script...
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<warren>
not all nc calls in LTSP use -q
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<alkisg>
I see exactly 1 that doesn't use -q... ltsp-trunk/client/screen-x-common: if nc -z -w 5 $SRV 7100 >/dev/null ; then
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And that's on an unmaintained path
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(XFS)
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<warren>
oh
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ahh
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alkisg, it lacks -q in my k12linux paths, not used by debian
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<alkisg>
I grepped the upstream source. /me shrugs
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<warren>
alkisg, what is your preferred way of dealing with this?
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<warren>
another issue is changes to ldm in the last 1.5 years broke the -DK12LINUX compile-time build
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<Gnoze5>
yellow
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<Hyperbyte>
green
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<Gnoze5>
ok im convinced , ltsp rules.
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I have a question though
19:37
does the LTSP MO always assume that most of the processing is done server side
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or are there ways to use more local resources when clients are richer
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<highvoltage>
Gnoze5: yep, with local apps if you want mixed, or you could use fat client mode to run everything locally while still being diskless
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<Gnoze5>
highvoltage that is very good news
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highvoltage, btw in terms of 2d acceleration is it something that will usually work out of the box or does it require chroot customization and such?
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<highvoltage>
Gnoze5: if it's supported hardware you should be fine
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<Gnoze5>
highvoltage, but drivers have to be installed on the client or server? or does it depended on where the processing is being executed?
20:30
right now im testing with a regular desktop and a HP T5630w thin client
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and both are lacking any sort of accel, 2d or other
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<Gnoze5>
back
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<Hyperbyte>
Gnoze5, hardware accelleration is done on the client I believe
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Actually I'm sure it is.
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Although I suppose it depends on the kind of accelleration you're talking about... I know anti-aliasing is done client-side, I can imagine 3D accelleration would be done server-side
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
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i think when i upgraded the bzr repositories on launchpad, it doesn't send out change notices anymore
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<alkisg>
vagrantc (in case you read the backlog): https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+subscription/ltsp-upstream
23:25
Notification level: no email
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I don't remember if we subscribed individually, if we did, we probably need to subscribe again, as you deleted + recreated the branch, no?
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