IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 July 2011   (all times are UTC)

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03:37
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: an alternative... pam_mounts can mount directories when a session starts, as opposed to when a folder is accessed: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/en/man5/pam_mount.conf.5.html
03:37
Search for "tmpfs mounts " there
03:58* alkisg looks into pam_exec script-that-erases-the-user-home-dir instead...
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09:41
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg: do you always wake up around 3-4 AM with ideas for LTSP solutions? :)
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11:29
<andygraybeal>
Hyperbyte, heya bro
11:29
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Andy. :)
11:32
<andygraybeal>
stinky backup tapes are full
11:32
grrr
11:32
one of our fridgerators is down
11:33
someone found it at 55 degrees this morning.
11:33
i had a 13+ hour shift last night, i'm just gonna suck down a little more coffee before i replace the backup tape
11:57
<Hyperbyte>
Why do people still use backup tapes?
11:57
I never quite got that.
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12:07
<andygraybeal>
yea, i don't know i guess i'm just used to it
12:07
what do yuo ues?
12:07
you use?
12:07
<Hyperbyte>
I have three servers, one of which is located in a datacenter
12:08
Every server rsync's /backup/server1 and /backup/server2 with the other two's data.
12:08
<andygraybeal>
don't the transfers end up being expensive?
12:09
<Hyperbyte>
So every server has a copy of the other two. Plus I have one server completely seperate from the rest, which has lots of storage, and backs up all three.
12:09
You mean data traffic?
12:09
<andygraybeal>
yea
12:09
and do you keep like.. every other month archived or something?
12:09
<Hyperbyte>
I have 2 TB traffic limit on both sides.
12:10
That I could, but I don't.
12:11
<andygraybeal>
i guess i'm comfortable with tape. it's what i've used since .. i dunno 15 years now
12:11
<Hyperbyte>
:)
12:11
I'd hate any backup method which requires human intervention.
12:12
<andygraybeal>
i keep'em in a fireproof safe on site, and once a month i transfer a tape offsite.
12:13
i guess, i have a bunch of servers that end up rsyncing to another server here on site, and then i offload that to tape
12:14
yea, i've thought about not using tape.... i guess i suck.
12:14
<Hyperbyte>
Naaaah
12:14
To each their own... plus our method is quite expensive. Not so much the data traffic, that's not a problem really in the Netherlands... it's the disk space usage that's killing.
12:14
<andygraybeal>
aah okay, i didn't think that.
12:15
yea, i don't think we could afford the traffic over the wire, aside from disk space.
12:15
<Hyperbyte>
We have 250 GB company data...
12:16
<andygraybeal>
lemme look at one of my fulls... to get a size of what we have
12:16
<Hyperbyte>
I make incremental backups, so the data traffic is minimal. But every server needs to have at least 300 GB disk space to backup all other servers
12:16
<andygraybeal>
i do a full every month :)
12:16
incremental ever day :)
12:16
we used to do diffs once a week in my old job
12:17
but i decided that it was a little overkill
12:17
we have 30GB :)
12:17
total
12:17
it is growing
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12:18
<andygraybeal>
i just started backing up our emial because our old provider is poop.
12:18
and we are going to have a big push to get things off of paper, so we can clear out some filing cabinets.
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12:21
<Hyperbyte>
We've been scanning most of our documents for the past year or two
12:22
<andygraybeal>
what machine do you use?
12:22
<Hyperbyte>
Data grows quite fast then
12:22
Scanner/
12:22
?
12:22
<andygraybeal>
i been thinking about a fijitsu 6130 or something
12:22
yea
12:22
it's about $900
12:22
<Hyperbyte>
Epson GT-20000
12:22
<andygraybeal>
lemme look it up
12:22
do you use a document management system?
12:22
<Hyperbyte>
I do.
12:23
<andygraybeal>
which??
12:23
<Hyperbyte>
Scanner is quite nice, but I never got the drivers working under Linux
12:23
Have an RDP desktop just for the Epson scan application. :\
12:23
Higher models include a server inside the scanner, so you can just press button on the scanner and pick the files up from FTP or SMB or something
12:24
In hindsight that would've been better. :\
12:24
Document management system is built into our CRM, I made it myself.
12:24
<andygraybeal>
yea, i been looking at the fujitsu 6130. and it says 'sane' works completely with it. yea, someone mentioned a scanner with smtp capability.. so you could just send it to a fileserver
12:25
<Hyperbyte>
That would be my choice.
12:25
<andygraybeal>
hah, i could never develop something like that
12:25
<Hyperbyte>
Either a scanner with fileserver built in, or method of delivering to a fileserver.
12:25
<andygraybeal>
yea, as long as sane works completely, i think i'm covered. it's got an ADF also
12:25
<Hyperbyte>
We picked the Epson GT-20000 because some of our client forms were A3 format.
12:26
<andygraybeal>
i have to use an RDP desktop for some of our orders caues the websites use ... what is it.. that IE proprietary technology... can't remember.. al lthat is coming to my mind is 'activex'.. and that isn't right.
12:26
i wonder if fujitsu 6130 can handle a3 /me looks
12:26
<Hyperbyte>
Folded through the middle... idea was to scan them whole, and then cut the pages loose afterwards. Right after we bought the scanner someone came with the idea to make it so the A3 form is easily torn into two A4 papers through the middle, to make it easier.
12:27
I think the scanner has processed A3 paper maybe... five times.
12:27
Heh
12:29
(oh, the Epson GT-20000 has ADF as well by the way... seperate part that can be mounted on top)... still I wouldn't recommend an A3 scanner if you're only gonna scan A4 paper.
12:30
<andygraybeal>
yea, i don't even think US deals with A3 now that i'm looking into it
12:30
the most is legal
12:30
er i mean the most is 8.5x11 inches (which is nearly a4)
12:30
but we would maybe use legal once and a while... which is not near what A3 is
12:32
<Hyperbyte>
8.5x11 = letter
12:32
Isn't it?
12:33
In Europe A4 is standard. A3 is twice A4, A2 is twice A3, A1 is twice A2.... and A5 is half A4, etc...
12:36
<andygraybeal>
yea, 8.5x11 = letter
12:38
confusing :)
12:42
we've had a week long festival of beer in my little town. and today is the big bash... they call 'boogie on the bricks' .. it's a big drunken street party
12:45
<Hyperbyte>
So what are you doing inside? :P
12:45
<andygraybeal>
:)
12:46
<Hyperbyte>
Or you don't like these kind of parties?
12:46
<andygraybeal>
i don't mind 'em. i can't enjoy them because i work them.
12:46
i mean i still enjoy them though :)
12:47
but normally i work, like our restaurant is a part of the festival
12:47
like, yesterday, i pulled 13 hour shift at the restaurant
12:48
prepping and roasting food
12:48
i do all the computer stuff in my spare time
12:49
like, i just started running our own mail server.. which is exciting!
12:50
this past winter we launched our new joomla based website :)
12:53
i dunno, it's fun :)
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<Hyperbyte>
:)
13:17
IT is loads of fun.
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<andygraybeal>
;)
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<Hyperbyte>
I don't like beerfests though. ;)
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<andygraybeal>
Hyperbyte, aah yuo don't like beerfests?
13:30
you don't drink, or you just don't like a bunch of drunks :)
13:30
i don't think anyone likes a bunch of drunks
13:31
i like when our bar is full :)
13:31
and our restaurant :)
13:33
<Hyperbyte>
Both, actually.
13:33
I haven't ever drank alcohol, period (as a sort of personal policy ;))... and I definitely don't like drunk people. :)
13:35
<andygraybeal>
that's cool. i didn't drink up until i was 19. my dad is a drunk and hard to deal with. i allow myself once a week to get drunk and a couple of beers a night.
13:36
i just recently procured my first drunk driving violation
13:36
but in actuality, i haven't been getting drunk since my DUI
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13:38
<andygraybeal>
my grandparents are totally against alcohol.
13:38
<Hyperbyte>
I'm not really 'against' it I guess, I just don't see the point. :)
13:38
<andygraybeal>
they were raised running alcohol in prohibition
13:39
i come from a family of race car drivers :)
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13:39
<andygraybeal>
Hyperbyte, that's cool man. it's good to be not drunk :)
13:40
<Hyperbyte>
I like to think so. :)
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13:47
<Hyperbyte>
Andy, I assume you use LTSP in the restaurant?
14:05
<andygraybeal>
yea
14:05
:)
14:05
saves lots of work!
14:17
<Hyperbyte>
How many clients?
14:22
<andygraybeal>
8 clients
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<andygraybeal>
Hyperbyte, it isn't a lot but it still saves time and frustration!
14:40
<Hyperbyte>
Hey, don't need to tell me. :) I got 7 clients. ;-)
14:41
<andygraybeal>
:)
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<TheMatrix3000>
really ltsp in a restaurant
15:45
that is interesting
15:45
a very interesting implementation
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<andygraybeal>
not really :)
16:22
it's a restaurant, but we still have an office.
16:22
and paper work.
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18:36
<Hyperbyte>
andygraybeal, most people don't realize restaurant is just as much a business as anything else though
18:37
<andygraybeal>
Hyperbyte, :)
18:37
<Hyperbyte>
I mean, I go to restaurant to get away from business. ;-)
18:37
<andygraybeal>
yea, i gotta deal with tons of invoices!!!
18:38
uhg
18:38
and payroll
18:38
and pci compliance
18:38
point-of-sale systems
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<Hyperbyte>
Hehehe. :)
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<andygraybeal>
printers for the kitchens, offices, bar, wait-station, i got a warehouse i got to monitor temperatures in...
18:40
email, website...
18:40
this september i'm gonna hook SNMP enabled thermometers into our refridgeration systems.
18:42
<Hyperbyte>
Hey that's cool
18:42
Gonna use Cacti?
18:43
If you don't know about Cacti you should really consider it
18:48
<shogunx>
anyone seen vagrant?
18:49
<andygraybeal>
i've been using nagios
18:49
Hyperbyte,
18:50
i've used... mrtg, cricket... and others
18:52
<Hyperbyte>
cacti is awesome. It can create per-host graphs about cpu usage, memory usage, network usage and basically anything else you can generate a number for by script or SNMP
18:52
<andygraybeal>
you can do the same with addons with nagios
18:52
<Hyperbyte>
Ok. :)
18:53
<andygraybeal>
i've been thinking about using pnp4nagios
18:53
<Hyperbyte>
Have only tried mrtg and Cacti.
18:53
<andygraybeal>
http://docs.pnp4nagios.org/pnp-0.6/new-features
18:53
<Hyperbyte>
Will look at that when I get home. :)
18:53
<andygraybeal>
yea, eventually, i'd like to setup zenoss. but that is pretty hectic.
18:54
<Hyperbyte>
!seen vagrantc
18:54
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 23 hours, 49 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <vagrantc> kinda never reall yhad much enthusiasm for sf after they went closed-source
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<shogunx>
thnax Hyperbyte
19:50
<Hyperbyte>
:)
19:51
<shogunx>
fooling with one of these hp t5235 clients, and wondering how far he got with them.
19:53
<Hyperbyte>
T5235?
19:53
Oh, HP.. missed that
19:53
They don't work out-of-the-box with LTSP?
20:00
<shogunx>
no pxe
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<Hyperbyte>
Ah. How are you booting them with LTSP? Or did you not get that far yet?
20:01
<shogunx>
i just booted its factory os (debian derivative) to see what i need to do.
20:02
which would work for my purposes, if i port a couple things to the client. crosscompiles... looks like this client is not locked down at all.
20:03
so localdev stuff, a client app for the billing.
20:03
maybe
20:03
just testing vs the geode based clients i am using now.
20:04
<Hyperbyte>
That's all way over my head. :)
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<shogunx>
it might be possible to just use an ssh -X connection from the client to connect to ldm, and run the client gui that way.
20:08
still need the local ltsp parts running on the client tho... still a crosscompile, i think.
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<Hyperbyte>
For when one andygraybeal isn't enough. =D
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<andygraybeals>
:)
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i'm at home
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<Hyperbyte>
Welcome home. :)
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<andygraybeals>
what'r you up to?
23:27
<Hyperbyte>
Considering sleeping.
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