IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 1 February 2013   (all times are UTC)

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07:34
<SEEVTar>
I'm setting up Ubuntu 12.04 from the alternate disk with ltsp I've got two network interfaces is the primary one the one that connects to the switch?
07:40
I think I got it
07:41
<dievel>
Should be eth0 the one to the local network and eth1 to the thin client network.
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08:26
<Hyperbyte>
mhmmm
08:26
Good morning. :)
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09:00
<dievel>
Good morning :)
09:06
<muppis>
Better than yesterday. :)
09:08
<SEEVTar>
Ok dievel thanks it's up and working first start :-)
09:38
<alkisg>
!nbd-client
09:38
<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
09:49
<Enslaver>
anyone alive/awake?
09:49
<alkisg>
:)
09:49
<Enslaver>
alkisg!
09:50
You are actually the person I wanted to talk to =), I have a spec file for you to look at, got a sec?
09:50
<Hyperbyte>
Wow
09:50
<Enslaver>
can you just glance it over and let me know if you notice something that doesnt belong
09:50
<Hyperbyte>
Enslaver, burning the midnight oil? :)
09:50
<Enslaver>
I dont sleep
09:51
<Hyperbyte>
Ah.
09:52
<Enslaver>
Or if i could figure out how to make launchpad work :)
09:54
<Hyperbyte>
I think Launchpad already works.
09:54
;-)
09:57
<Enslaver>
OUTPUT: created package ltsp-5.4.4-1.20130201.03.el6.src.rpm
09:57
OUTPUT: created package ltsp-client-5.4.4-1.20130201.03.el6.x86_64.rpm
09:57
OUTPUT: created package ltsp-debuginfo-5.4.4-1.20130201.03.el6.x86_64.rpm
09:57
OUTPUT: created package ltsp-release-5.4.4-1.20130201.03.el6.x86_64.rpm
09:57
OUTPUT: created package ltsp-server-5.4.4-1.20130201.03.el6.x86_64.rpm
09:59* alkisg reminds Enslaver that he's never used anything RPM-based, and has never seen spec files :)
10:04
<knipwim>
and i wonder what ltsp-debuginfo is
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10:08
<Enslaver>
Alkisg: i know your no spec file wiz but can you go through it and point out if my locations of all the files are correct, and let me know if any files have been deprecated/changed?
10:09
<knipwim>
Enslaver: i can help you with that also
10:09
but not now, because i'm at work
10:10
probably tonight at the earliest
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10:10
<Enslaver>
k can i just email it to you and have you look over it later?
10:11
<alkisg>
Enslaver: sure, put it to pastebin, and me and knipwim will have a look in case we can see anything out of place...
10:12
<Enslaver>
pastebin is a website im guessing?
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10:16
<alkisg>
!pastebin
10:16
<ltsp>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
10:21
<knipwim>
the quick course is tarting already :)
10:21
erm, starting'
10:21
<Enslaver>
so ascii pron is ok right?
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10:22
<alkisg>
Sure, as long as it's ltsp-related...
10:22
(!!!)
10:23
<Hyperbyte>
LTSP-related ASCII porn
10:23
That I'd want to see.
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10:40
<Enslaver>
See how thin the client really is?
10:43
<Hyperbyte>
:-D
10:44
<muppis>
Is it a friday or something?
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10:46
<Hyperbyte>
I do believe it is!
10:53
<Enslaver>
pastebin.com/YRFM3Pit
10:53
I think i did that right
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10:56
<alkisg>
BuildRequires: tftp-server ?
10:56
To build the package? Not just "Requires"?
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10:57
<alkisg>
For package descriptions, I think it'd be best if all distros used the same description
10:57
It makes translations easier
10:57
Maybe we can all take the debian packages as a template?
10:57
And if we don't like them, tell vagrantc to change them?
10:58
<Enslaver>
It isn't a top down re-write of the spec, i took it from warren
10:59
I just need to make sure theres nothing outdated in there
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11:00
<alkisg>
The "install" stuff should be smaller
11:00
The "share/ltsp" dirs are supposed to get copied as is
11:00
So there shouldn't be a need to list the files inside them one by one
11:03
<Enslaver>
k
11:03
Also note I incorporated ltsp-core back in, whats the status of that?
11:04
is that pretty standard across distros?
11:05
<alkisg>
An initscript is needed to fire up the ltsp SCREENs
11:05
Debian renames that to ltsp-client-core, Ubuntu uses an upstart job, ltsp-client.conf
11:05
...so yeah ltsp-core sounds fine
11:06
*ltsp-client-core.conf in ubuntu
11:13
<Enslaver>
k
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11:15
<Enslaver>
I am having the hardest time packaging ldm :/
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15:11
<JuJuBee>
I am trying to configure minicom in chroot. However, there seems to be no /dev/ttyS0 in my chroot? I am connecting to a router to configure it.
15:16
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, what kind of computer lab do you have?
15:16
Is it for Cisco training purposes?
15:17
<jammcq>
JuJuBee: that's because /dev/ttyS0 won't be there until the serial device is detected at boot time
15:18
I think there's an option to ltsp-chroot to tell it to use the /dev from the host
15:18
ltsp-chroot --mount-dev
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15:18
<jammcq>
something like that
15:19
yeah, that works on mine
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15:23
<JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: yes, I teach the Cisco Academy curriculum
15:23
jammcq: ok
15:24
Another question... some of my students are not able to logout. Some use unity some use plasma
15:25
jammcq: so I would need to do that if I wanted to run minicom from inside chroot on the server? I notice that on the clients /dev/ttyS0 is there
15:32
jammcq: in order to use minicom, I need to give users access to /dev/ttyS0 so if I mount it to chroot then set rw on that port will it retain it image when it boots?
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15:39
<JuJuBee>
What exactly does --mount-dev do? just mount for the session? or does it tell the chroot to mount them all the time?
15:48
<jammcq>
JuJuBee: yes, it just mounts it for that session of running chroot
15:49
and setting the perms on /dev/ttyS0 while in the chroot will NOT remain next time you go in or when you boot the thin client
15:49
device nodes are created at boot time via udev
15:50
so anytime you change perms, it will be forgotten next time you boot
15:50
why not just add the user to the 'dialout' group and then they should have access to that dev node
15:56
<Hyperbyte>
jammcq, using fat clients, I don't think that will help, will it?
15:56
The group membership on the server shouldn't transfer to the client, should it?
15:57
I mean, it should, but I didn't think LTSP did that?
15:58
<jammcq>
Hyperbyte: umm, I dunno how user auth works for fat clients
15:58
but ultimately, the user must be known on the thin client for his thing to work
16:00
and if group membership doesn't make it's way to a fat client, i'd consider that a bug
16:05
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm, well, maybe it does? I dunno.... I kind of assumed that would be problematic with group ID's varying
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<JuJuBee>
Figured it out. Working now.
16:11
All I really needed to do what add my users to the dialout group now they can access ttyS0
16:13
Group membership made it to the client. How do I know if they are fat or thin?
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20:09
<cliebow>
!seen sbalneav
20:09
<ltsp>
sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 3 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <sbalneav> i.e. need anything from me?
20:09
<jammcq>
hey chuck
20:11
<cliebow>
Hi Jim!!
20:11
what are you building these days?
20:12
<jammcq>
not much, although i've been hanging around here alot more.
20:12
<cliebow>
i havnt been in much..I have a steady diet of macbooks to fix...
20:13
troubleshooting..working on the Tremon Historical photos
20:14
whats cooking in ltsp??
20:15
<jammcq>
well... i've been so far out of it for so many years, I didn't really know how it worked anymore
20:15
so for the last few weeks, i've been looking very closely at the inner workings, and i'm pretty impressed
20:15
<cliebow>
i had a small grasp at one time...waiting my time til they figure out one to one in schools is too pricey
20:16
i can tell you how many btoken screens and liquid spills ive replaced
20:16
err cant
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21:00
<cliebow>
homeward bound...
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22:36
<Enslaver>
How would I go about debugging LDM segfaults? I'm trying to get the latest trunk working and packaged on EL6
22:36
The only way I know how to debug something like that is gdb
22:45
<vagrantc>
actual segfaults?
22:45
or just crashes?
22:55
<Enslaver>
segfaults
22:59
im also seeing some messages "nc: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known"
23:02
http://snag.gy/QyW9Y.jpg
23:05
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: does /etc/hosts contain an entry for "192.168.47.x server"
23:05
<Enslaver>
no
23:05
thats odd
23:06
thats made through init-ltsp.d correct?
23:08
It doesnt look as though those are getting run on my x86_64 chroot, they work on my other one
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23:16
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: the nc call is probably trying to download the ldminfod information from "server"
23:17
<Enslaver>
k, that explains that one, but with LDM shouldn't the gui still start even if it can't talk to the server?
23:17
<vagrantc>
yes, it should start
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23:19
<Enslaver>
I think i found the issue with the getaddrinfo one, i had SERVER=server there
23:20
<vagrantc>
SERVER=server is valid, as long as "server" resolves to something.
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23:28
<Enslaver>
server.local would
23:30
<vagrantc>
then try with SERVER=server.local
23:30
<Enslaver>
Yeah just did, the /etc/hosts isn't getting updated for whatever reason
23:31
Gotta figure out whats different on my 2 chroots
23:32
<vagrantc>
it should happen in init-ltsp.d/09-hostname
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