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i want to install ltsp on open suse
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hi andygraybeal_, i saw you in the puredata channel also :)
oh hi knipwim
yes, i have used pd, for about 4 yrs, 7 yrs ago... sadly i have picked it up again
sadly? how so
time has a way of moving forward and my life is a little different now than those days. i still love it and i haven't abanodoned it accept for it seems like i have.
i just discovered it
ah, i own a house now, i'm trying to run a business and a market garden. there's no time for me to build things any longer..
i think it's the best thing that happened to me personally.
it gave me the freedom to take control objects in the real world and be able to control them in the virtual world.
pd coupled with arduino (or whatever the latest fanciest stuff is now-a-days) is a great thing.
same for me, i'm working on it with a friend of mine, he programs the patches, and i try to run it on a beaglebone
what is a beaglebone?
also a development board, but runnign on a 720Mhz arm
wow, sounds nice
the only thing missing is a sound card
i'm putzing around with zarafa, trying to get it to hook into SSO login with apache and etc. right now.
knipwim, what are your plans with it?
err.. i mean other than world domination of course.
#dataflow is my set of oldest homies here on freenode :)
create a portable synthesizer, controllable with a midi controller, and sound out
but also mic in
nice, why not OSC instead of midi?
is that better?
midi is way more popular for sure. osc is way more awesome :)
yea, read up on osc. 'open sound control'
i really want to use libpd
it depends what your end goal is if it is useful to you. i was ready to trash all my midi and move to it. but again that was a long time ago.
and libpd only support midi i think
okay, i'm gonna read about libpd for a bit
i still have to figure out how to connect the midi to the libpd
following this article http://elsoftwarehamuerto.org/articulos/691/puredata-beagleboard/
http://nettoyeur.noisepages.com/2011/02/libpd-workflow-prototyping-and-production/ <--- read this -- i typed "OSC" into the 'find' box and the third iteration of OSC down the page is the answer
midi is so early 80s ;)
but still pretty simple
and i like to avoid the use of OpenFrameWorks and such
what is an SPI port?
do you use it?
wow, s-video connector and dvi-d connecter?
an lcd header to plug directly into an lcd ribbon?
for the beaglebone you mean?, nope
yea, beagleboard :)
only the gpio for buttons and leds and such
gonna hook up a 16x2 lcd soon
i'm back to work, check you later
yea, nice talking
i dream about this stuff.. but i haven't worked on it in ages.
i have an idea of how it might help me in a kitchen i might design for a restaurant i might have.. in some perfect future.
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That sounds very poetic
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yes thanks, I watched the movie I, robot with my girlfriend last night
What's going on? :)
I just did ltsp with no fat clients, with a virtual machine for windows with terminal services, so effectively using a single server for the whole enchilada
btw enchiladas are great here haha
steak is great here
hmm juicy steaks! I hade steak yesterday
I will have enchiladas for breakfast tomorrow morning, have not in a while; so ltsp-ing, I noticed that extremely low-end hardware is not very well suited for ltsp any more :s
4 was better for that
is there a ltsp 4 mode in the config? perhaps I may sertup and old linux in a virtual machine
with 4 to have both worlds in the same hardware
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stgraber was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, 50 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <stgraber> vagrantc: I'd have to recheck later (at UDS), can't remember for the dependency, we indeed need mkimage to generate the image and flash-kernel would be the way of getting something generic to work on all boards. pxelinux.0 isn't used, only the pxelinux.cfg/* files are retrieved by the u-boot netboot code
Well, I think I've found the solution to the nss problems we need to fix:
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sbalneav: http://packages.ubuntu.com/libpam-pwdfile - although I don't think it supports groups
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ltspuser_13:tell these guys what your problem is
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there really needs to be a "just state your issue" blurb on the link
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Still chasing a printing problem around. Spent some time on the #ubuntu channel and got several recommendations to reinstall cups.... or reinstall the entire operating system..... not too helpful.
my error log is here:http://pastebin.com/erGJMUrg
it seems like CUPS is crashing when being printed from a thinclient/libreoffice. I wrote a script to kill all of the ~/.conf/libreoffice configs, but that didn't help.
I reinstalled cups. (1.5.3) still having trouble.
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Print jobs from thin clients either crash cups (web interface times out) or hang the printer. Using 12.04LTS, LTSP 5, CUPS 1.5.3,
my error log is here: http://pastebin.com/erGJMUrg
my printers.conf is here: http://pastebin.com/LJuTVqnZ
google's full of "cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Dirty files", busy="Active clients and dirty files"" results
from as simple as deleting the printer and adding again to as complex as compiling svn versions of cups
cw: I have looked through a lot of those. Nothing is fitting quite right yet... I was hoping against hope that someone in my boat had run into this exact problem. Nar!
The problem is that the only real error reported in the log is like: [TIME] [Job JOB_NO] PID PID_NO (/usr/lib/cups/backend/[APPLICATION]) exited with no errors.
It's "the exited with no errors"
speaking of printing... is there any reasonable / easy way to make it so I can print from a ltsp-localapps web browser?
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kev_j: same as thick client
thick = fat?
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er, well I guess
I always though of a fat client is a full lcoal OS install :/
oh, yeah, I guess that's true
but anyway, you setup printing inside the chroot
fatclient in LTSP terminology means a network booted environment where all the applications run on the thin client hardware
crap nuggets.... that was enough of a pain on the main system
Can you think of a reason to change /etc/cups/cupsd.conf (specifically the permissions) from the default distro version?
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could it be? While running "diff cupsd.conf cupsd.conf.dpkg-dist" I noticed that my predecessor had fat-fingered the final <Limit All> directive, spelling the permissions like "allowj." I don't know if this will solve the situation, but it can't be good.
What would be the ramifications of the <Limit All> directive having only deny permissions (since allow was misspelled)? (CUPS 1.5.3, /etc/cups/cupsd.conf)
Would I want to use ltsp-chroot or actual chroot to install the printer drivers?
kev_j: ltsp-chroot will set some environment variables and such, so i'd recommend using it.
so it is asking me for password for root on localhost, so I would make that the root password for the chroot enviro right?
you shouldn't need a root password in the chroot
the cups printer driver is asking me for one
Setting up mfc9560cdwcupswrapper (1.1.1-5) ... \ Password for root on localhost?
stupid printer driver.
I am guessing it wants it for the administration screen for cupsd
oh I know, don't think I want a brother printer while using linux again
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ew. so far I like my xerox, but it's not also not the most linux friendly
sadly, hp's seem to be the most linux friendly, but the new ones all suck
Oh I love the printer itself. It's quite good for what we need it for, but not the easiest to setup on linux, and it seems less so for ltsp
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.....so I can't seem to login to root, or use the password for the install, without being on the system after it's been loaded with pxe... any ideas how I can get past this for the driver install or should I just ignore cups and try for the lpr setup (already successfully installed the driver pack for that one)
or lpd.. or whatever
would it be in the pam configs?
oh, and I am using debian squeeze (figured that might be an important detail) and considering trying to switch to wheezy
muppis, gvy, alkisg: I added acpi=off and nomodeset to pxelinux.cfg/default, made sure it was being read, turns out that X is getting stuck in a loop with the error "Fatal server error: Invalid argument for -config. With elevated privileges, the file specified with -config must be a relative path and must not contain any ".." elements. Using default xorg.conf search path."
however that is the extent of the information it prints, which is not entirely helpful. do I need to install sshd in the chroot and login to get at the log file to see exactly what is going on?
I took a machine home to test but unfortunately its output is DVI only and I don't have the right cble, grr.
lee, erm, I'd probably try 'ps auxww | grep X' to see the exact -config it gets
either via ssh or via local login, that is
ok, maybe I'll make a late-night run to work to see if they have any dvi cables lying around
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lee: what are the contents of your lts.conf, and, do you have a xorg.conf in the chroot?
You don't need a dvi cable, you can just vnc to the client if you need to
E.g. you could install epoptes to help you with that
lts deployments in nepal are killing it
what is it 20 some deployments in nepal alone
I have done ltsp-build-image --kiosk, I haven't provided an xorg.conf. the built image works fine in a vm. unfortunately I do need a dvi cable, got to get into the bios to tell it to pxe boot =)
lee, it helps to have a good sleep and then mess with a clear head
andygraybeal, don't let them climb too high!11
the only things I've changed in the chroot are altering the way firefox is configured (at this stage). I didn't realise a vnc server was included by default, that's pretty awesome
my sister traveled in nepal :)
gvy :) nice i'm happy!
lee: It's not; but you can easily install it
You can also check the ps command in the VM, to see the xorg parameters
ok, will give that a shot
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really want to get this nailed, it must be pretty close to working (it is great in a vm)
biab, going to grab that cable
thanks for the help so far =)
hell.. so I got it to let me do a "login root" by renaming the securetty file (temporarily) so I thought that would let me do it, but it still refuses the "password for root on localhost?"
Temporarily create a root password in the chroot?
Or, it might be asking for the server cups password instead
(trying to connect to the server port 631...)
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the cups password is the root password afaik, and I already had a chroot root pass (so I could troubleshoot issues I was having with ltsp initially) but that didn't work
nuts, bad timing with alkisg
....it seems like it may have installed by me getting frustrated and hitting enter a lot until it just completed the install...
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yeah, it lists it under dpkg -l
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russian folks tend to automate the enter part by means of a properly weighted book against grey enter, btw. :)
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OK, so I have a client machine here to play with. if I run "ltsp-build-client --kiosk", it boots to X on the hardware, and prompts for a login. if I add SCREEN_07=kiosk to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf under [default] then I don't get as far as X, it says "invalid argument for -config". but there's no log for X in /var/log that I can see, and nothing relevant in syslog. any ideas?
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