IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 November 2012   (all times are UTC)

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06:30
<ltspuser_99>
hello
06:30
i want to install ltsp on open suse
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11:01
<andygraybeal_>
greetings ltsp
11:03
<knipwim>
hi andygraybeal_, i saw you in the puredata channel also :)
11:03
<andygraybeal_>
oh hi knipwim
11:04
yes, i have used pd, for about 4 yrs, 7 yrs ago... sadly i have picked it up again
11:05
<knipwim>
sadly? how so
11:05
<andygraybeal_>
time has a way of moving forward and my life is a little different now than those days. i still love it and i haven't abanodoned it accept for it seems like i have.
11:05
<knipwim>
hehe
11:05
i just discovered it
11:05
<andygraybeal_>
ah, i own a house now, i'm trying to run a business and a market garden. there's no time for me to build things any longer..
11:06
i think it's the best thing that happened to me personally.
11:06
it gave me the freedom to take control objects in the real world and be able to control them in the virtual world.
11:07
pd coupled with arduino (or whatever the latest fanciest stuff is now-a-days) is a great thing.
11:07
<knipwim>
same for me, i'm working on it with a friend of mine, he programs the patches, and i try to run it on a beaglebone
11:07
<andygraybeal_>
what is a beaglebone?
11:07
<knipwim>
also a development board, but runnign on a 720Mhz arm
11:08
<andygraybeal_>
wow, sounds nice
11:08
<knipwim>
the only thing missing is a sound card
11:08
<andygraybeal_>
i'm putzing around with zarafa, trying to get it to hook into SSO login with apache and etc. right now.
11:08
knipwim, what are your plans with it?
11:09
err.. i mean other than world domination of course.
11:09
#dataflow is my set of oldest homies here on freenode :)
11:09
<knipwim>
create a portable synthesizer, controllable with a midi controller, and sound out
11:09
but also mic in
11:10
<andygraybeal_>
nice, why not OSC instead of midi?
11:10
<knipwim>
don't know
11:10
is that better?
11:10
<andygraybeal_>
midi is way more popular for sure. osc is way more awesome :)
11:11
yea, read up on osc. 'open sound control'
11:11
<knipwim>
i really want to use libpd
11:11
<andygraybeal_>
it depends what your end goal is if it is useful to you. i was ready to trash all my midi and move to it. but again that was a long time ago.
11:11
<knipwim>
and libpd only support midi i think
11:12
<andygraybeal_>
okay, i'm gonna read about libpd for a bit
11:12
<knipwim>
i still have to figure out how to connect the midi to the libpd
11:13
following this article http://elsoftwarehamuerto.org/articulos/691/puredata-beagleboard/
11:14
<andygraybeal_>
http://nettoyeur.noisepages.com/2011/02/libpd-workflow-prototyping-and-production/ <--- read this -- i typed "OSC" into the 'find' box and the third iteration of OSC down the page is the answer
11:15
midi is so early 80s ;)
11:17
<knipwim>
but still pretty simple
11:17
and i like to avoid the use of OpenFrameWorks and such
11:18
<andygraybeal_>
what is an SPI port?
11:19
<knipwim>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus ?
11:19
<andygraybeal_>
do you use it?
11:21
wow, s-video connector and dvi-d connecter?
11:21
an lcd header to plug directly into an lcd ribbon?
11:22
<knipwim>
for the beaglebone you mean?, nope
11:22
<andygraybeal_>
yea, beagleboard :)
11:23
<knipwim>
only the gpio for buttons and leds and such
11:23
gonna hook up a 16x2 lcd soon
11:23
<andygraybeal_>
nice
11:23
very cool
11:26
<knipwim>
i'm back to work, check you later
11:27
<andygraybeal_>
yea, nice talking
11:27
i dream about this stuff.. but i haven't worked on it in ages.
11:28
i have an idea of how it might help me in a kitchen i might design for a restaurant i might have.. in some perfect future.
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15:43
<irule>
I, ltsp
15:44
<Hyperbyte>
That sounds very poetic
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<andygraybeal_>
hi Hyperbyte
15:46
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Andy!!!
15:47
<irule>
yes thanks, I watched the movie I, robot with my girlfriend last night
15:47
hi everyone
15:49
<Hyperbyte>
What's going on? :)
15:52
<irule>
I just did ltsp with no fat clients, with a virtual machine for windows with terminal services, so effectively using a single server for the whole enchilada
15:52
btw enchiladas are great here haha
15:52
<dead_inside>
steak is great here
15:53
<irule>
hmm juicy steaks! I hade steak yesterday
15:53
<dead_inside>
nice
15:54
<irule>
I will have enchiladas for breakfast tomorrow morning, have not in a while; so ltsp-ing, I noticed that extremely low-end hardware is not very well suited for ltsp any more :s
15:55
4 was better for that
15:56
is there a ltsp 4 mode in the config? perhaps I may sertup and old linux in a virtual machine
15:56
with 4 to have both worlds in the same hardware
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<sbalneav>
!seen stgraber
16:57
<ltsp>
stgraber was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, 50 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <stgraber> vagrantc: I'd have to recheck later (at UDS), can't remember for the dependency, we indeed need mkimage to generate the image and flash-kernel would be the way of getting something generic to work on all boards. pxelinux.0 isn't used, only the pxelinux.cfg/* files are retrieved by the u-boot netboot code
16:57
<sbalneav>
Well, I think I've found the solution to the nss problems we need to fix:
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lp:~sbalneav/ltsp/libnss-extrafiles
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<cliebow>
Hey Scottie!!!!
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: http://packages.ubuntu.com/libpam-pwdfile - although I don't think it supports groups
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<ltspuser_13>
Hello
18:12
Good afternoon
18:13
help
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<cliebow>
ltspuser_13:tell these guys what your problem is
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<||cw>
there really needs to be a "just state your issue" blurb on the link
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19:09
<blakes>
Still chasing a printing problem around. Spent some time on the #ubuntu channel and got several recommendations to reinstall cups.... or reinstall the entire operating system..... not too helpful.
19:09
my error log is here:http://pastebin.com/erGJMUrg
19:11
it seems like CUPS is crashing when being printed from a thinclient/libreoffice. I wrote a script to kill all of the ~/.conf/libreoffice configs, but that didn't help.
19:11
I reinstalled cups. (1.5.3) still having trouble.
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<blakes>
Print jobs from thin clients either crash cups (web interface times out) or hang the printer. Using 12.04LTS, LTSP 5, CUPS 1.5.3,
19:15
my error log is here: http://pastebin.com/erGJMUrg
19:17
my printers.conf is here: http://pastebin.com/LJuTVqnZ
19:17
<||cw>
google's full of "cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Dirty files", busy="Active clients and dirty files"" results
19:20
from as simple as deleting the printer and adding again to as complex as compiling svn versions of cups
19:39
<blakes>
cw: I have looked through a lot of those. Nothing is fitting quite right yet... I was hoping against hope that someone in my boat had run into this exact problem. Nar!
19:42
The problem is that the only real error reported in the log is like: [TIME] [Job JOB_NO] PID PID_NO (/usr/lib/cups/backend/[APPLICATION]) exited with no errors.
19:43
It's "the exited with no errors"
19:43
that's killing!!!
19:51
<kev_j>
speaking of printing... is there any reasonable / easy way to make it so I can print from a ltsp-localapps web browser?
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19:52
<||cw>
kev_j: same as thick client
19:52
<kev_j>
thick = fat?
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19:53
<||cw>
no
19:54
er, well I guess
19:54
I always though of a fat client is a full lcoal OS install :/
19:54
<kev_j>
oh, yeah, I guess that's true
19:54
<||cw>
but anyway, you setup printing inside the chroot
19:55
<vagrantc>
fatclient in LTSP terminology means a network booted environment where all the applications run on the thin client hardware
19:56
<kev_j>
crap nuggets.... that was enough of a pain on the main system
19:56
<blakes>
Can you think of a reason to change /etc/cups/cupsd.conf (specifically the permissions) from the default distro version?
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<blakes>
could it be? While running "diff cupsd.conf cupsd.conf.dpkg-dist" I noticed that my predecessor had fat-fingered the final <Limit All> directive, spelling the permissions like "allowj." I don't know if this will solve the situation, but it can't be good.
20:15
What would be the ramifications of the <Limit All> directive having only deny permissions (since allow was misspelled)? (CUPS 1.5.3, /etc/cups/cupsd.conf)
20:17
<kev_j>
Would I want to use ltsp-chroot or actual chroot to install the printer drivers?
20:20
<vagrantc>
kev_j: ltsp-chroot will set some environment variables and such, so i'd recommend using it.
20:42
<kev_j>
so it is asking me for password for root on localhost, so I would make that the root password for the chroot enviro right?
20:43
<vagrantc>
you shouldn't need a root password in the chroot
20:44
<kev_j>
the cups printer driver is asking me for one
20:44
Setting up mfc9560cdwcupswrapper (1.1.1-5) ... \ Password for root on localhost?
20:45
<vagrantc>
ugh.
20:45
stupid printer driver.
20:45
<kev_j>
I am guessing it wants it for the administration screen for cupsd
20:46
oh I know, don't think I want a brother printer while using linux again
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<||cw>
ew. so far I like my xerox, but it's not also not the most linux friendly
20:52
sadly, hp's seem to be the most linux friendly, but the new ones all suck
20:53
<kev_j>
Oh I love the printer itself. It's quite good for what we need it for, but not the easiest to setup on linux, and it seems less so for ltsp
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<kev_j>
.....so I can't seem to login to root, or use the password for the install, without being on the system after it's been loaded with pxe... any ideas how I can get past this for the driver install or should I just ignore cups and try for the lpr setup (already successfully installed the driver pack for that one)
20:59
or lpd.. or whatever
21:01
would it be in the pam configs?
21:03
oh, and I am using debian squeeze (figured that might be an important detail) and considering trying to switch to wheezy
21:04
<lee>
muppis, gvy, alkisg: I added acpi=off and nomodeset to pxelinux.cfg/default, made sure it was being read, turns out that X is getting stuck in a loop with the error "Fatal server error: Invalid argument for -config. With elevated privileges, the file specified with -config must be a relative path and must not contain any ".." elements. Using default xorg.conf search path."
21:05
however that is the extent of the information it prints, which is not entirely helpful. do I need to install sshd in the chroot and login to get at the log file to see exactly what is going on?
21:06
I took a machine home to test but unfortunately its output is DVI only and I don't have the right cble, grr.
21:07
<gvy>
lee, erm, I'd probably try 'ps auxww | grep X' to see the exact -config it gets
21:07
either via ssh or via local login, that is
21:08
<lee>
ok, maybe I'll make a late-night run to work to see if they have any dvi cables lying around
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<alkisg>
lee: what are the contents of your lts.conf, and, do you have a xorg.conf in the chroot?
21:10
You don't need a dvi cable, you can just vnc to the client if you need to
21:10
E.g. you could install epoptes to help you with that
21:11
<andygraybeal_>
lts deployments in nepal are killing it
21:11
er ltsp
21:11
what is it 20 some deployments in nepal alone
21:11
<lee>
I have done ltsp-build-image --kiosk, I haven't provided an xorg.conf. the built image works fine in a vm. unfortunately I do need a dvi cable, got to get into the bios to tell it to pxe boot =)
21:11
<gvy>
lee, it helps to have a good sleep and then mess with a clear head
21:12
andygraybeal, don't let them climb too high!11
21:12
<lee>
the only things I've changed in the chroot are altering the way firefox is configured (at this stage). I didn't realise a vnc server was included by default, that's pretty awesome
21:12
<gvy>
my sister traveled in nepal :)
21:12
<andygraybeal_>
gvy :) nice i'm happy!
21:13
<alkisg>
lee: It's not; but you can easily install it
21:13
You can also check the ps command in the VM, to see the xorg parameters
21:14
<lee>
ok, will give that a shot
21:14* alkisg isn't sure if the kiosk plugin is in a good shape currently
21:15
<lee>
really want to get this nailed, it must be pretty close to working (it is great in a vm)
21:15
biab, going to grab that cable
21:15
thanks for the help so far =)
21:18
<kev_j>
hell.. so I got it to let me do a "login root" by renaming the securetty file (temporarily) so I thought that would let me do it, but it still refuses the "password for root on localhost?"
21:18
..any ideas?
21:19
<alkisg>
Temporarily create a root password in the chroot?
21:19
Or, it might be asking for the server cups password instead
21:20
(trying to connect to the server port 631...)
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<kev_j>
the cups password is the root password afaik, and I already had a chroot root pass (so I could troubleshoot issues I was having with ltsp initially) but that didn't work
21:21
nuts, bad timing with alkisg
21:23
<gvy>
/nick nuts
21:28
<kev_j>
....it seems like it may have installed by me getting frustrated and hitting enter a lot until it just completed the install...
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<kev_j>
yeah, it lists it under dpkg -l
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<gvy>
russian folks tend to automate the enter part by means of a properly weighted book against grey enter, btw. :)
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<lee>
hrm.
23:53
OK, so I have a client machine here to play with. if I run "ltsp-build-client --kiosk", it boots to X on the hardware, and prompts for a login. if I add SCREEN_07=kiosk to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf under [default] then I don't get as far as X, it says "invalid argument for -config". but there's no log for X in /var/log that I can see, and nothing relevant in syslog. any ideas?
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