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Channel log from 17 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<klausade>
shale: tell us where your rdesktop-stuff is.
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: I'm with a friend who has a default edubuntu/feisty install, so we're comparing that with ltsp/etch.
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: and the bugs we get on each, using the same thin client hardware, are vastly different.
03:22
<paras>
klausade, hello
03:22
<ogra>
etch is about the same development level as edgy
03:23
Q-FUNK, so feisty is about 1.5 releases ahead
03:23
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: ok. anyhow, we cannot get to the ldm prompt on edubuntu/feisty.
03:23
<ogra>
but the clients boot properly up to that point ?
03:24
<klausade>
paras: hello
03:24
<paras>
klausade, hello
03:24
klausade, i created the lts.conf as u have mentioned but still problem exists
03:25
<Q-FUNK>
they seem to get up until the point where it tries to get the swap using nbd
03:25
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, ?? nbd usage is quitened, you shouldnt see it at all
03:26
<paras>
klausade, how do i start esd daemon?
03:26
<Q-FUNK>
beats me :)
03:26
<paras>
klausade, i mean not in lts.conf but when the system starts
03:26
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, i bet you see nbd-client's startup script (which runs but is ignored after ldm)
03:27
<klausade>
paras: SOUND_DAEMON=esd in lts.conf does that.
03:27
<ogra>
do you see "starting ltsp client ..." earlier =
03:27
?
03:27
<paras>
klausade, do i need to start esd by something like: esd -public -nobeeps ?
03:28
<klausade>
paras: I never needed to do that.
03:28
<paras>
klausade, ok. i don;t what went wroing . i am having a really hard time to enable sound in my clients
03:29
<ogra>
klausade, depends on the distro you use :)
03:29
ubuntu instralls and starts esd by default in old releases ...
03:29
not sure if debian does that
03:30
<klausade>
ogra: yes. but he is on etch, I think esd is installed and started by default.
03:31
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: yup
03:31
<ogra>
i'd check the installation status at least
03:31
the code should start it if its there though
03:31
Q-FUNK, alt-f7 has nothing then ?
03:33
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: indeed
03:34
I see X trying to start a couple oof times, but nothing conclusive
03:34
<ogra>
weird
03:34
aha
03:34
<paras>
klausade, yes i am on etch.. any tips for me what sud i check to solve my sound problems?
03:34
<ogra>
set a rootpw in the chroot and check the Xorg.6.log
03:35
paras, chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l esound
03:35
paras, see if it even exists in the client installation
03:39
<klausade>
paras: yes, tell us if you have esound in the chroot.
03:39
<paras>
ogra, klausade yes checking...
03:45
ogra, klausade yes esound is there in both server and clients
03:45
ogra, klausade i see /dev/dsp no such file or directpry while booting
03:46
<ogra>
paras, remove it on the server if you can
03:46
esd in ubuntu is patched to allow multiuser ... debians isnbt
03:46
<paras>
ogra, u mean i sud remove esound inside chroot?
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<ogra>
running it on the server will exclusively create a socket in tmp thats owned by the first desktop user
03:47
no, on t6he server, not in the chroot
03:47
<paras>
ogra, ok
03:48
<ogra>
or at least prevent it from starting on the server ;)
03:48
<paras>
ogra, removed.. sud i remove esound-common as well ?
03:49
<ogra>
/dev/dsp missing on the client will only count if you forced the system to use oss drivers on the client (in that case esd wouldnt be able to start)
03:49
paras, common should be fine
03:49
<paras>
ogra, ok
03:49
ogra, let me check now
03:49* ogra really waits fo9r debian to sync up so esd ont show up in support qestions anymore ...
03:50
<ogra>
esd is pretty much dead in ltsp land ...
03:51
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: tailing from outside the chroot shows that no X log exists inside the chroot
03:51
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, that cant be if you see X starting
03:51
should be /var/log/Xorg.6.log
03:52
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: I see the screen flashing and the monitor's relays clicking, because something wants to change resolution
03:52
<ogra>
(on the running client, not in the chroot)
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: where does the client's log go to? some temporary dir?
04:03
<paras>
ogra, i don't see /dev/dsp if in my clinets
04:08
ogra, i see /dev/dsp in chroot but not in my clients
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<Envite>
Hello all from Spain (again)
04:20
Hola a todos desde España (de nuevo)
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<paras>
klausade, when i my client is booting i see /dev/dsp : No such file or dire.. i guess this is a problem
04:39
<ogra>
paras, as i said that only counts if you use oss driveres (which you shouldnt anyway)
04:41
<paras>
ogra, so i can ignore that message
04:41
<ogra>
unless you use oss drivers, yes :)
04:42
<paras>
ogra, well i am a bit confused on this.. i just want sound..by using any deamon
04:42
<ogra>
(in ubuntu you need to forcefully load them through MODULE_xx entries in lts.conf, else it will default to alsa)
04:42
paras, well even a daemon needs a device
04:43
<paras>
ogra, so while i am using esd i don't nedd oss right?
04:44
<ogra>
you *always* need a driver and a device to attach a daemon to ... if you use oss drivers this is called /dev/dsp ... with alsa its something like /dev/snd/<something> or so
04:44
the warning you see about /dev/dsp is merely obsolete
04:45
<paras>
ogra, ok
04:45* ogra really starts to wonder whats wrong with debians sound implementation
04:45
<paras>
ogra, klausade has running ltsp system in debian
04:46
<ogra>
paras, plain etch and sound working out of the box (as it should be ) ?
04:47
(note that i dont test debian, i can only judge by the old ubuntu code it is based on)
04:47
i know there are some differences between ubuntus alsa and debians
04:48
so you might have to do some extrs tasks ...
04:48
<paras>
ogra, ok..
04:49
ogra, do u suggest building ltsp env using tar balls rather than from debian packages?
04:50
<ogra>
nah
04:50
use what your distro provides ...
04:51
<paras>
ogra, ok
04:51
<ogra>
mixing ubuntu and debian might work though, but feisty is far beyond etch so it might expect extra stuff on the server side that didnt even exist in etch ... which brings up other additional probs
04:52
<paras>
ogra, yes i have ttried that ... the ltsp packages in feisty tired to upgrade libc6 in my debian server.. which is not normal
04:53
<ogra>
(i.e. feisty needsa asoundconf to set up the virtual alsa devices we use in ltsp now ... i dont even know if debian has asoundconf at all)
04:53
paras, indeed thats normal, etch is about 7 months older than feisty
04:53
so it needs anewer set of libs
04:53
<paras>
ogra, YES
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: the last line is screen found, but none that have a usable configuration
05:12
<ogra>
thats feisty or gutsy ?
05:13
gutsy didnt use any X config yet (new xorg should be capable to detect everything without config ...)
05:14
i justr uploaded a gutsy package with a completely new X detection (it turned out to be bad for keyboards and mice without any config)
05:14
so if its gutsy it might solve that prob ...
05:14
<Q-FUNK>
feisty
05:14
<ogra>
if its feisty check if it works with XSERVER=vesa in the lts.conf
05:15
(it should in any case)
05:15
(even though it might drop to 1024x768)
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<Q-FUNK>
it doesn't
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<ogra>
it doesnt drop ? or it doesnt work ?
05:31
<Q-FUNK>
we see it uses the vesa driver in the log, but still sam emessage about no suitable screen
05:31
<ogra>
did you make any changes to the default lts.conf ?
05:32* ogra hasnt seen X not working *at all* yet ... vesa uses the hardcoded resolutions of the cards bios ... that must work ... very weird
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<ari_stress>
hi all
05:35
i'm back
05:35
i want to report that LTSP + LDAP now works :D
05:36
thanks for MrMoo for giving me the right direction
05:36
<ogra>
great :)
05:37
<ari_stress>
it's been a couple of years since i tried LTSP, i'm impressed on how very good it is now
05:37
bravo LTSP
05:37
<Q-FUNK>
this has no bios. it has linuxbios.
05:37
<ogra>
would be good to have a proper howto for ltsp+ldap :)
05:38
Q-FUNK, talking about the graphics card, not the system BIOS
05:38
<Q-FUNK>
this is a geode. the graphic card is integrated inside the cpu
05:38
<ogra>
ah, geode with feisty ?
05:38
<Q-FUNK>
howver it supports standard vesa modes, so this should work
05:38
yup
05:39
<ogra>
that ne4eds the amd driver, no ?
05:39
<MrMoo>
just a regular ldap auth would cover it, but here's waiting for LDAP other than OpenLDAP
05:39
nsc for Geode
05:39
<ogra>
sure ?
05:39
<MrMoo>
the Starbox clients I have are Geode + NSC
05:39
<ogra>
i thought thats -amd
05:39
<MrMoo>
same thing
05:39
amd tried to re-brand the driver
05:39
<ogra>
well, i have one that needs the amd driver here
05:40
comapq evo T20 thin cklient ...
05:40
(until the ebox 2300 cam up the worst HW i've seen so far
05:40
)
05:40
<ari_stress>
ogra: sure. i'll write one asap
05:40
<ogra>
ari_stress, very cool, thanks ! :)
05:41
<MrMoo>
try both, either LX, GX1 or GX2 chipset,
05:41
<ogra>
MrMoo, the new ubuntu server team is working on a default ldap server setup for gutsy+1 ...
05:41
<Q-FUNK>
ogra, ideally amd, but vesa should work. we used it before -amd was released
05:41
<ogra>
we'll hook into that with fat clients
05:41
<MrMoo>
ogra, nice
05:42
<Q-FUNK>
MrMoo: early geodes were by nsc. x driver nsc. recent ones are by amd, driver amd.
05:42
<ogra>
sadly they will only attack the client side for gutsy ...
05:42
Q-FUNK, can you try to install the -amd driver in the chroot and check if it works with XSERVER=amd ?
05:43
<MrMoo>
Q-FUNK, the GX chipsets are dumped into "Other Geode Processors" on the AMD page now I see
05:43
http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_9864,00.html
05:44
ogra, I'm wondering if I can adapt Gutsy embedded/mobile to migrate my FreeBSD Samba 4 server
05:45
FreeBSD is a bit tedious to look after
05:46
<ogra>
well, i think they only got the kernel booting last week ... i'd wait a bit ;)
05:46
and indeed you wont want the desktop bits :)
05:47
<MrMoo>
I'm in no hurry, it kind of works sufficient enough now, and no new TPs from the Samba team in a while
05:49
<ogra>
i'll do some testing oin the classmatePC with the mobile stuff if it really gains any speed etc ... (to be honest i doubt it will make a "feelable" difference to the -386 kernel flavour)
05:51
<MrMoo>
Maybe the frame buffer integration might help at least make it look tidier to start
05:54
The big cosmetic improvements I can think of are immediate swap from loading progress screen to login screen, and from login screen to ready desktop, although faces would be nice too
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<gvy>
g'day
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<cliebow_>
jammcq!!!!
07:31
<jammcq>
cliebow_: hey chucky
07:32
<cliebow_>
thought abotu bts at all?
07:32
<jammcq>
yeah
07:32
I have
07:32
we should talk to david lloyd
07:32
<cliebow_>
cool..let me know if there is anything i need to do..
07:32
<jammcq>
the next Ubuntu dev summit is in boston
07:32
<cliebow_>
yep
07:32
<jammcq>
it starts the 28th
07:32
of october
07:32
<cliebow_>
kl
07:33
k
07:33
<jammcq>
so, we might consider having bts start on nov 2nd
07:33
not sure who all will be able to attend
07:33
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: copied and installed nsc and amd in chroot. no effect.
07:33
ogra: X still cannot find any valid screen to use
07:33
<jammcq>
the ubuntu guys will have to stay at the dev summit through the evening of nov 1st, and they'll have to be back on monday, Nov 5th I think
07:34
so that only gives them sat/sun
07:34
<cliebow_>
we can start noising it around..i'd LOVE to have ogra go through the initramfs with us..
07:34
sounds awful tight..
07:35
like a step at a time for the geriatric set..
07:35
<jammcq>
yeah, that would be great, cuz there's been alot of changes lately
07:36
<cliebow_>
for sure..
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<cliebow_>
ls
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<ByPasS>
I've just followed the Debian Etch Howto (ltsp5) but when i try to boot the client it fails to boot as pxelinux.cfg cannot be found
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<cliebow_>
ByPasS, i am too rusty to help..but i'll listen..
08:27
<ByPasS>
pxe entry point found then tries to load pxelinux.cfg but fails
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:30
<cliebow_>
Scott!!
08:31
<ByPasS>
morning sbal :)
08:31
<sbalneav>
He cliebow_
08:31
Hello
08:32
<cliebow_>
8~)
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<cliebow_>
sbalneav, know if gutsy kernel respects DPORT in option 129?
08:34
<sbalneav>
No, I don't
08:39
<fxrsliberty>
sbalneav: good day sir
08:39
<sbalneav>
Hello
08:43
<fxrsliberty>
sbalneav: have your heard of any problems loading the VIA82cxxx drivers in other distro's ?
08:43
<sbalneav>
Not off the top of my head, no.
08:44
However, google brings up a fair number of hits for problems in distros.
08:45
<fxrsliberty>
yea, I was wondering more ablut ltsp specific reports
08:45
s/ablut/about
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<sbalneav>
Google only brings up a couple of hits on ltsp-4.2
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<fxrsliberty>
sbalneav: did you have a moment to crack the initrd ?
08:49
<sbalneav>
No, not yet.
08:49
I'll email you when I do.
08:49
<fxrsliberty>
no problem
08:49
<sbalneav>
Might take a week before I can get to it.
08:50
<fxrsliberty>
have you ever looked at the LTSP5 work being done at ALT linux under sisyphus?
08:50
<gvy>
oO
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<gvy>
fxrsliberty, well, but how did you know about that?
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<gvy>
fxrsliberty, it's my colleague and a bit of me working on ltsp5 in sisyphus :)
08:52
<fxrsliberty>
I have read avery single hit there is on LTSP5+RPM
08:52
;)
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<gvy>
wow :)
08:52
<thresh>
sup
08:52
<fxrsliberty>
gvy , it would be so cool if you could help us out at opensuse
08:52
<gvy>
thresh?!
08:52
fxrsliberty, well you can try to ask {led,mike}@altlinux.org
08:52
<thresh>
gvy: i currently lack of horsepower at home so i think i'll try ltsp :S
08:53
<gvy>
thresh, well, works like charm
08:53
<fxrsliberty>
gvy: could you point me to sisyphus installation instructions for dummies?
08:56
<gvy>
fxrsliberty, you mean "installing sisyphus"?
08:57
you can start with ftp://beta.altlinux.ru/desktop/cd-20070712.iso (there are both more slim installer and dvd4 build alongside)
08:57
then have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sisyphus.alt.list and uncomment $arch and noarch ("classic")
08:57
then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and you're running Sisyphus (unstable/current ALT)
08:58
there's #altlinux, you're welcome there with specific stuff not to spam #ltsp (which is done by me all too often) :)
08:59
fxrsliberty, loooong time ago founders of ALT helped SuSE, Mdk, and iirc RH with russian translations and i18n in general...
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<gvy>
fxrsliberty, ah, and you'd not necessarily run unstable, ltsp packages were synced to 4.0/branch just today so you should be all set with e.g. 4.0 desktop beta or 4.0 server, as you wish
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<MrChicken>
Hello
09:12
I am running LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 7.04 Server Edition. I have local sound but I cant get local devices working
09:12
I have FUSE installed
09:12
ltspfs and ltspfsd installed
09:13
and my user is part of the FUSE group
09:13
<ogra>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
09:13
<MrChicken>
however When I insert a USB memory... nothing happens
09:13
ogra ... yes, I already did that :)
09:13
<ogra>
LOCALDEV=True is in your lts.conf ?
09:13
<MrChicken>
yes sir
09:13
<ogra>
Ä(well, should be in the default file anyway iirc)
09:14
oh, wait you run it on the server edition ?
09:14
with which desktop installed ?
09:15
<MrChicken>
KDE
09:16
should I dowload the Desktop edition?
09:16
<ogra>
no, but KDE has no further integration of localdev yet ...
09:16
i.e. they wont show up on the desktop
09:16* gvy . o O ( in ALT, it works tho )
09:17
<gvy>
...and they do. :)
09:17
<ogra>
in gnome gnome-vfs monitors /media ...
09:17
KDE doesnt do that and resorts to hal ..
09:17
<MrChicken>
so I should get gnome up?
09:17
<ogra>
which ltspfs doesnt support yet
09:17
no
09:17
:)
09:17
after plugging in the device have a look in /media/$USER
09:18
it should be there ... its just not on the desktop
09:18
<MrChicken>
yes I see it now
09:18
can I get CDROMS working?
09:19
<ogra>
they should work out of the box ...
09:19
they should get mounted if you pop in a CD the eject key isnt locked so you should be able to eject them as you like
09:21
if thats not the case thats a bug
09:21
(if usb sticks work at least)
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<MrChicken_ltsp>
Hello
09:23
Ok local devices are working properly :D
09:23
<ogra>
:)
09:23
<MrChicken_ltsp>
Now I have another Q
09:23
<gvy>
MrChicken_ltsp, hooray :)
09:23
<MrChicken_ltsp>
I have installed a DE named lookXP
09:23
its ICEWM with a few things
09:23
<ogra>
if you know python a bit you could add code to create a link on the users desktop to /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
09:24* MrChicken_ltsp doesnt know python... but its a good excuse to make something :)
09:24
<MrChicken_ltsp>
just so it looks like XP ... but I still start in KDE
09:24
<ogra>
we consider tweaking users homedirs or anything eblow as harmful in debian and ubuntu, thats why we rely on gnome-vfs for creating xdg compliant .desktop files instead
09:24
<MrChicken_ltsp>
How on earth do I start on ICEWM?
09:25
<ogra>
i'm working on a change in ltspfs to make it work with hal instead and create proper virtual devices, but i cant guarantee that it will make the gutsy release yet
09:26
MrChicken_ltsp, it should be in the selection menu in ldm
09:26
<MrChicken_ltsp>
hrmmm
09:26
lemme restart this thing and see...
09:26
<ogra>
beyond that ltsp will respect ~/.xsession
09:26
<MrChicken_ltsp>
brb
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09:26
<ogra>
so create one for the user :)
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<MrChicken>
I will have about 50 or so users
09:29
which Desktop Environment would you suggest
09:29
<ogra>
all working at the same time ?
09:29
<gvy>
if you can do with icewm, it's rather nice light desktop
09:30
<ogra>
but bad from a usability POV
09:30
<gvy>
but i have yet to see competent file/archive manager for that
09:30
usability sucks... gigabytes
09:30
<MrChicken>
I only need them to use OpenOffice,
09:30
<ogra>
if you are on ubuntu and need something light i'D try xubuntu-desktop before dropping all comfort and going with ice
09:30
<MrChicken>
Mozilla Firefox and Opera
09:30
<gvy>
yup, xfce is quite nice
09:31
<ogra>
if thats to heavy you can still resort to icewm
09:31
<gvy>
MrChicken, btw you might want to disable virtual desktops -- xrestop shows nice resource leaks while switching virtual desktops with both mozilloids and openoffice
09:32
<MrChicken>
How do I do that? :$
09:32* MrChicken is not that competent tweaking X
09:33
<MrChicken>
and one more Q... when I use local floppies... do I need to mount them or something?
09:33
<gvy>
just install and run xrestop in one window and firefox/ooffice along
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09:33
<MrChicken>
or just insert the disk and go to /media
09:33
<gvy>
btw with firefox, you might want flashblock plugin to reduce "accidental" resource consumption by adobe flash media
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<MrChicken>
ok... seems like everything's working
09:38
I just need icewm to start lets seee
09:41
<ogra>
MrChicken, if you want to default to icewm for the whole system, just update the alternative for the default WM
09:41
sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
09:41
there pick icewm session
09:42
(assuming thats installed :))
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09:53
<MrChicken>
ogra ... I'm trying Xubuntu-desktop
09:53
I guess I will download it
09:54
<ogra>
sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ;)
09:54
<MrChicken>
yeah 800 megs
09:54
thats a whole distro :P
09:54
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: http://www.golem.de/0707/53533.html <-- jaaawohl .. (german)
09:55
<MrChicken>
Downloading...
09:56
<ogra>
MrChicken, well, kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop are bigger :)
09:56
K_O-Gnom, nice
09:57* MrChicken decides to do what ogra says ...
09:58
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: ill change my ltsp kernel ... maybe today :-) (gentoo kernel rules .. my laptop wont boot with the standard kernel ... (it says no pci card found but it has a pci network card ...)
09:58
<McDutchie>
Hi all. I am investigating the possibility of putting wireless network cards into our LTSP terminals and having them boot wirelessly. Encryption (WEP/WPA) essential. Currently we are using LTSP 4.2 but willing to upgrade to 5.0 if necessary. Is it possible to boot LTSP terminals over a secured wireless network, and if so, any pointers to documentation?
09:59
<ogra>
McDutchie, nope (to all the questions)
09:59
McDutchie, you can hack up initramfs to do that, buit it wont be possible to do netbooting then
09:59
i.e. you need some kind ofg local device to put the kernel and initramfs on
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<ogra>
the initramfs then needs all wlan tools and you need to hack it up to accept essid, keys and such as either commandline options or hardcode them or something
10:00
<McDutchie>
sounds complicated. i would then have to update/maintain all terminals separately.
10:00
<ogra>
its not impossible, but a lot of work
10:01
not necessarily
10:01
you will need one setup for one AP ... and indeed copy around the image if you changed it
10:01
<McDutchie>
is initramfs the same as an initrd (initial ram disk)?
10:02
<ogra>
but there is no such thing like PXE or etherboot for wlan
10:02
<MrChicken>
Will it work WITHOUT encryption?
10:02
<ogra>
yes, its what 2.6 kernels use
10:02
sure you could do it without encryption, but that leaves your network open to everyone
10:02
<McDutchie>
ogra: yeah, that's not an option for us, we handle confidential information.
10:03
<ogra>
right
10:03
even without handling confidential stuff its better to not leave it open :)
10:03
<McDutchie>
true :)
10:03
<MrChicken>
Cuz what I was thinking was ...
10:03
get the Wlan with ltsp
10:03
on a separate network segment
10:03
<ogra>
if your neighbor hooks in and does filesharing tghrough your ip that can generate a lot of fun ;)
10:04
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: for them not for you
10:04
<MrChicken>
then via VPN do all the stuff
10:04
<ogra>
well, ltsp5 defaults to ssh tunneling for the X traffic so that should even work safely on an unencrypted wlan
10:04
<K_O-Gnom>
MrChicken: vpn iss ok but everybody can use your network ... because its not encrypted he can login and yous it ..
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<McDutchie>
ogra: essentially what you're saying is that in order to do wireless booting, the LTSP kernel and initramfs need to be on each terminal's local hard disk, right?
10:05
<ogra>
exactly
10:05
<K_O-Gnom>
s/yous/use
10:05
<MrChicken>
hrmmm
10:05
<McDutchie>
and the initramfs needs to contain all the wireless drivers and encryption settings?
10:05
how would i get started with this? how would i make such an initramfs?
10:05
<ogra>
if i ever find the time, i'll hack together a bootable usb image for that as part of the ltsp package ... but thats beyond my scheduling capabilities atm ...
10:06
unless we extend the day to 48h ;)
10:06
<McDutchie>
too bad
10:06
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: i think one option for McDutchie iss to build a bootable cd or something with wlan drivers and encryption system ..
10:06
<ogra>
K_O-Gnom, right, but still you will need the wlan tools in your initramfs ...
10:07
the3 ubuntu packages have all drivers
10:07
drivers are not the prob
10:07
<McDutchie>
K_O-Gnom: well, it wouldn't matter much to me if i put it on a HD or burn a CD and boot from that, would work about the same
10:07
<MrChicken>
ogra's got a point since ltsp5 uses SSH tunneling... everything should be rather safe
10:07
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: not at all .. if he create a live cd ... wich creates a ram disk where its stored ... it would be all ok ..
10:07
ogra: then he only need a complete system on the cd ..
10:07
<ogra>
K_O-Gnom, beyond the fact that you have a lot of extra maintenance to care for that image
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<K_O-Gnom>
McDutchie: yes ... but if you wont use your hdd because you have a nother system there ...
10:08
<ogra>
a 20 line script in initramfs-tools will do
10:09* K_O-Gnom is goint to blay tetris (the original from the nintendo GB)
10:09
<ogra>
and a hook script that copies in wpa_supplicant and iwconfig
10:09
<K_O-Gnom>
crab cant type right ..
10:09
s/blay/play
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<McDutchie>
if i have to have the kernel and an initramfs locally and I have to maintain these for each terminal and it's not well documented how I need to do all this, then maybe it's less work for me to just bypass LTSP altogether for the wireless terminals, install a complete Linux distro locally on it, and configure the runlevel to automatically contact the server with 'X -query host-name'.
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<McDutchie>
thanks for your input, ogra, K_O-Gnom and all :)
10:15
<K_O-Gnom>
McDutchie: no problem
10:18
<sbalneav>
brb
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<MrChicken>
ogra... I'm trying to install a bluetooth headset on my thin clients and have softphones installed ...
10:23
what special things should I be weary of?
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<sbalneav>
Back
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<jammcq>
Front
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<MrChicken>
Left
10:32
I'm trying to install a bluetooth headset on my thin clients and have softphones installed ... what kind of troubles / headaches may I be running into?
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<MrChicken>
hey
11:04
Something funny happened
11:04
I tried to play something with gxine .. and I got kicked out
11:05
I mean... my client was logged
11:10
<ByPasS>
back to ldm ?
11:11
<MrChicken>
exactly
11:11
<ByPasS>
MrChicken : can you paste me your /etc/exports entries related to ltsp
11:13
<MrChicken>
sure lemme get them
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<ltsppbot>
"Dorphalsig" pasted "/etc/exports (trying to play an mp3 in ltsp logs me out to ldm)" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/221
11:15
<MrChicken>
Dorphalsig = me :$
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<MrChicken>
back
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<gonzaloaf_work>
hi, can I see my clients's processes? I use ltsp 4.2
11:29
<MrChicken>
it should be something with pf
11:29
go see the pf man and see how you can list the user you want to check
11:41
<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: ps -ef should show you all the processes on your machine.
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<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, I want something particular, I want to see what web pages are visiting all the firefox of my clients. is it possible?
12:35
<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: Are you running a web proxy like squid?
12:35
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, nop
12:35
<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: then no, it's not possible.
12:36
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, so the onlyway is running a web proxy on my ltsp server
12:36
<sbalneav>
You'd need to be running a transparent web proxy, then you could check the logs of the proxy to see what's being visited.
12:37
You don't need to run the web proxy on the ltsp server, you just have to have a web proxy somewhere that people are using.
12:37
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, but can I know just in the moment what pages are being visited?
12:37
<sbalneav>
Like I said before, no, it's not possible.
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<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, I mean even using the web proxy?
12:39
<sbalneav>
Yeah, you look at the web proxy logs
12:40
the last few lines will tell you what people are looking at
12:40
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, all right, thanks I will try this solution
12:42
sbalneav, but the web proxy will see all my connections with the IP of the LTSP server? or each client IP?
12:43
<sbalneav>
They'll see it with the ip of the ltsp server.
12:43
If you want it tracked down to an individual user, you'll have to set up an authenticating proxy.
12:44
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, thats the problem, I want to know what client is visiting a specific web page
12:44
<sbalneav>
You won't be able to tell that.
12:44
Not without authentication
12:44
Because all the firefoxes are running on one box.
12:45
So if you need to know that, set up an authenticating squid proxy.
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12:45
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, so I have to use an authentication proxy instead a web proxy
12:45
<sbalneav>
It's still a web proxy
12:45
it's an authenticated web proxy
12:45
<gonzaloaf_work>
ok ok I'll read about that
12:45
<sbalneav>
i.e. you have to log in to use it.
12:46
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2001/08/09/authen_squid.html
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<gonzaloaf_work>
Hi, is it possible to so a "ps" of each client?
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<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_work: do you mean the processes used by a user of a particular client on the server, or the processes running on the client itself ?
13:46
<gonzaloaf_work>
vagrantc, the first one
13:47
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_work: ps -u USER
13:47
though if a user is logged in multiple times, that won't exactly work
13:53
<ByPasS>
I just installed ltsp 5 and can't get past ldm login screen, console logins works tho, in /var/log/ldm.log it appears that it fails to authenticate (Permission denied: (publickey,password)
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<cliebow_>
Cripes..turned down for a help desk position..they found someone with more experience
14:12
ByPasS, perhaps ltsp-update-sshkeys will wring it into submisiion
14:17
<vagrantc>
ByPasS: also, make sure you can ssh to your server with the same username and password
14:29
<cliebow_>
8~)
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<ByPasS>
vagrantc : does that mean that all the users that were on the server should be in ltsp's chroot ?
14:41
<vagrantc>
ByPasS: no.
14:41
ByPasS: none of them should be.
14:42
ByPasS: you only need users on your server.
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<ByPasS>
vagrantc : ic well that is my problem then, i cant login using any user from the server itself from the ltsp client even in console
15:13
vagrantc : are you aware if a ldap backend could cause this ?
15:15
pam is setup as follows : pam_ldap sufficient / pam_unix required atm
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<shale>
i've finished setting up our ltsp server, and am now trying to bring some of our crappy old puders on as clients.
15:37
problem: some work and some don't
15:38
the ones that don't fall to a blinking cursor at the splash screen.
15:38
any ideas why that is?
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15:49
<shale>
only things i can think of might be video card or motherboard bios
15:49
whaddya think
15:50
<mistik1>
yea, maybe they dont support framebuffer
15:50
<ByPasS>
you might wanna check /var/log/ldm.log
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<shale>
ByPasS: there is no ldm.log on the ltsp server or the chroot.
15:51
mistik1: do you know how i could find out if they support framebuffer? is that a video card thing?
15:52
<mistik1>
Turn off the framebuffer on the kernel commandline, that should at least rule it out
15:53
btw, do they actually show the splash screen?
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<vagrantc>
ByPasS: basically, if you can ssh into the server, you should be able to log in from a thin client.
16:01
<ByPasS>
i can ssh but i cant use any of the logins on the thinclient
16:01
<vagrantc>
ByPasS: if you want to log into the thin client itself, you would have to set up some separate authentication
16:01
<ByPasS>
ill just start off another server tomorrow i think
16:02
i had to chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and then add a user in order to get a console login anyway so
16:02
<vagrantc>
yes.
16:02
why do you need console logins ?
16:02
<ByPasS>
i dont but i couldnt pass ldm login screen
16:02
whenever i enter infos it just fails to auth and it reloads ldm
16:02
<vagrantc>
be sure not to use any important passwords on any users added into the ltsp chroot
16:04
<ByPasS>
anyway as you mentionned if im not supposed to add user into the ltsp chroot
16:04
its clearly not working :) so its not an X prob
16:04
as I first thought
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<vagrantc>
ByPasS: after running ltsp-update-sshkeys does it help ?
16:08
<ByPasS>
it doesnt change anything
16:09
<vagrantc>
and you can ssh to the server with that username and password ?
16:09
<shale>
mistik1: yes they show the splash screen but the progress meter barely shows any color before it drops to blinking cursor.
16:09
<ByPasS>
I created a test login on the server
16:09
that test login wont work on the ltsp client
16:10
even in console
16:10
the only user i could login on the ltsp client is those that a created in the ltsp chroot
16:10
<vagrantc>
right.
16:10
can you log into the server via ssh ?
16:11
<ByPasS>
16:11
?
16:11
<vagrantc>
no
16:11
with the user on the server
16:11
<ByPasS>
yea i use ssh
16:11
<vagrantc>
typically, no users on added to the chroot
16:11
<ByPasS>
that works fine
16:11
ok thats my problem then
16:11
ill take a spare server and reinstall from scratch without ldap
16:12
<vagrantc>
ssh user@server works ? but the same user and password doesn't work from LDM ?
16:12
<ByPasS>
correct
16:12
<vagrantc>
ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
16:12
<ByPasS>
fails too auth according to ldm.log
16:12
ls in the chroot ?
16:12
<vagrantc>
all ldm does it ssh -X user@server
16:12
if it's in the chroot, i'll tell you.
16:12
<ByPasS>
kk
16:13
<vagrantc>
very little is done in the chroot.
16:13
<ByPasS>
the server had no X installed before i installed ltsp
16:14
<vagrantc>
so, what's the output of the command: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
16:14
<ByPasS>
there is no /etc/X11/ on the server (as I said X was not installed prior ltsp)
16:14
<vagrantc>
well, that's why then.
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<vagrantc>
debian or ubuntu ?
16:15
<ByPasS>
bedian
16:15
oups debian
16:15
etch ltsp5
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<vagrantc>
dpkg -l ltsp*
16:15
dpkg -l ltsp* | egrep ^ii
16:16
<ByPasS>
No packages found matching ltsp. :X
16:16
<vagrantc>
so how did you install LTSP ?
16:17
<ByPasS>
apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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<vagrantc>
and you've removed it since ?
16:17
<ByPasS>
ltsp-server-standalone is already the newest version.
16:18
very odd
16:18
<vagrantc>
can you run the command: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
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<ByPasS>
ii ltsp-server 0.99debian11 Basic LTSP server environment
16:18
ii ltsp-server-standalone 0.99debian11 Complete LTSP server environment
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<vagrantc>
thank you.
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<ByPasS>
vagrantc : thx for all the help ill use a spare server and let u know tomorrow how it went
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<shale>
any tips on where to start to get sound to work?
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<vagrantc>
shale: which linux distro ?
16:29
<shale>
ubuntu feisty
16:30
<vagrantc>
hmmm... should work out of the box mostly
16:31
<shale>
even with clients that have different sound chipsets/
16:31
?
16:32
<vagrantc>
should detect them ... though with some older cards, maybe not.
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<shale_>
anybody know anything about getting old imacs to boot ltsp?
20:34
:)
20:45
<MrMoo>
Just install regular Ubuntu on it, works fine
20:45
I have a graphite version, use NFS for home dirs
20:52
<shale_>
you dont pxe boot it as a thin client?
20:52
<MrMoo>
nope
20:52
although I also have PXE thin clients
20:53
there were too many warnings about mixing i386 & powerpc architectures in ltsp
20:53
I think you need to setup a mac first then you can build the ltsp chroot and copy over to intel
20:53
so I setup the mac and was happy with that :-)
20:54
<shale_>
roger
20:56
do all thin clients have to use the same screen resolution?
20:57
<MrMoo>
no, set the resolution in lts.conf
20:57
default 1024x768
20:57
you usually need mode settings for anything greater with LCD panels though, 1280x1024 is consistently a problem
20:57
<shale_>
so u have to give each client a section in lts.conf
20:57
the user can't change the res
20:58
<MrMoo>
You can give a group of resolutions, then change with Ctrl+Alt++ or -
20:58
improved resolution and general X11 handling appears with Xorg 7.3, i.e. gutsy
20:59
no config files, plug & play, etc
20:59
<shale_>
sounds like a dream :)
21:00
<MrMoo>
the roadmap is quite long though
21:00
but getting there, just like audio
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