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Channel log from 19 April 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
ogra: not having as good luck with the localdev/ldm_directx patches
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ogra: caused a regression leaving the /tmp/ mount
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ogra: and unmounting didn't seem to work
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ogra: when not using ldm_directx
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<johnny>
dberkholz, i don't know what i did wrong (or if i did) but genkernel generated initramfs are giving me trouble now
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<dberkholz>
hm
00:24
what kind of trouble?
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<johnny>
lemme try with the ~arch version
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<dberkholz>
that would be a good idea
00:24
<johnny>
i think i was forcing the arch version before.. but then i took it out, cuz i thought it was unnecessary
00:24
<dberkholz>
that's what releng people are using to build the release
00:24
by arch, do you mean ~arch?
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<johnny>
yes.. oops
00:25
<dberkholz>
those are quite different terms, the former would mean stable if it was commonly used
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<johnny>
i know this.. that was accidental :)
00:25
<dberkholz>
ok
00:26
i just spent about 20 minutes trying to explain this to some other people
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<johnny>
i've been here long enough to know that
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you can't survive very long if you don't.
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it still doesn't quite do enough for us, even if we just want to use tmpfs bindmounting and nfs
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<johnny>
the modules_load file is woefully inadequate.. lots of scsi drivers.. only 2 network drivers..
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<dberkholz>
johnny: does the --all-initrd-modules argument help at all, or does it just copy without loading?
00:31
<johnny>
it would be the next problem after this to solve..
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<dberkholz>
johnny: other ideas are to try including a custom modules_load with --initramfs-overlay, or to create an additional architecture type for ltsp archs
00:32
<johnny>
yes.. that is one option
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<johnny>
just have to make it..
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<dberkholz>
i suppose what we'd like is a way to overlay our own files on top of their arch, rather than really create a new arch
00:34
wonder out of busy-config config.sh kernel-config-2.6 modules_load nb-busybox.cf, how many would change
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<johnny>
dberkholz, i think i just had to step away from doing ltsp stuff for a lil while
00:39
the problems seem much simpler now
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<dberkholz>
good to hear
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<johnny>
hopefully after 2008.0 comes out, we can get busybox updatedd in genkernel.. that'd solve a bit of the configuration issues
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<dberkholz>
johnny: feel free to make local mods to genkernel, stick 'em somewhere, and make an ebuild point at it
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<johnny>
then we can stop putting the ip the the kernel commandline in the pxelinux file
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atm you have to do nfsroot=yourappserver:/path/to/chroot
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<dberkholz>
append initrd=pxe/x86/initramfs ramdisk=8192 ip=dhcp root=nfs:192.168.1.106:/opt/ltsp/i386;tmpfs
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i suspect that's my old genkernel-3 line
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or maybe it's genkernel-4 before i fixed it to not suck
00:46
the semicolon makes me think gk4
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<johnny>
yes, that is gk4
00:46
i'm saying that we dont need to use the ip there
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<dberkholz>
oh absolutely, if udhcpc works
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<johnny>
no.. we still do :)
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until we use busybox 1.9
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<dberkholz>
this was my new and improved line (still before root-path worked): append initrd=pxe/x86/initramfs ramdisk=8192 ip=dhcp root=nfs;tmpfs
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<johnny>
see.. that's what we want :)
00:47
genkernel4 had busybox 1.9 :)
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<dberkholz>
i think i was still updating a ton of crap in my live gk4 ebuild
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<johnny>
hmm.. syntax error in /etc/lts.conf line2
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<johnny>
dberkholz, this is what you told me to try right?
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/usr/lib/x11/xdm/Xsession
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ooh..
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<dberkholz>
with a capital X in X11
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<johnny>
oh..
02:43
that does mean we have to merge xdm tho
02:46
ok.. here goes
02:46
ok.. now i just get a twm session
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so.. need something else
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<dberkholz>
for whatever reason, upstream has xdm supply the Xsession script instead of xinit
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<johnny>
any ideas? since that doesn't work?
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<dberkholz>
johnny: it really should work.
02:48
assuming you're passing an argument as a session that actually exists in /etc/X11/Sessions/ or as an executable file
02:48
Xsession sets the variable XSESSION, which is used by /etc/X11/chooser.sh
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<johnny>
got it..
02:49
i had just migrated to baselayout
02:49
err openrc*
02:50
forgot to set it on my server
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<dberkholz>
forgot to set what?
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<johnny>
XSESSION="Gnome"
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<dberkholz>
this should require that variable to be preset to work
02:50
<johnny>
in /etc/env.d/99xsession on my server
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<dberkholz>
it should just require that the session name get passed to the Xsession script
02:51
i'm sorry, "this _shouldn't_ require that variable to be preset to work"
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<johnny>
it's gotta default to something
02:52
gnome-session is in the list tho
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on ldm
02:53
but this is good enough for now.. i need to sleep .. almost 4am
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<dberkholz>
bah. defaults.
02:53
<johnny>
i set this on my server, gdm just happened to choose Gnome, ldm doesn't pass the type of session by default
02:54
my server being my normal desktop, i just didn't fix up the env.d file after upgrading to openrc there
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so tomorrow i'll have one of these fine gentlemen commit that, and we can distribute and empty lts.conf file
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an*
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so.. just need to work out the initramfs issue, and what happens with the pxe directory, then we might have something to open to wider testing
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<dberkholz>
good deal
02:56
<johnny>
i'd apprecaite if we could get some tarballs hosted somewhere official
02:56
or we could just use fedora's
02:56
<dberkholz>
tarballs for what, again?
02:56
ltsp packages?
02:56
<johnny>
yes
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<dberkholz>
yeah, we'll get that going.
02:57
we've talked about it a few times now
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<johnny>
relying on ubuntu's like before is impossible
02:57
<dberkholz>
we all agree that releases are a good thing
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<dberkholz>
some of us think they should be called something besides releases (Despite being releases) for various reasons, but that's not something that matters at all
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<johnny>
they just have to be tarballs that match the release.conf
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<johnny>
i also need to get my changes added to ltsp-trunk, i just wanna do a few more smoketests first
03:00
i'll do another when i go to work at our store..
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make sure the chroot succeeds from start to finish with trivial or no modifications
03:02
well, it's bed time for now, cya
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<dberkholz>
night
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<DawnLight>
how can i specify kernel parameters for clients?
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<Nubae>
ogra: if you are there, what was the url for the RC page
09:14
ah found it
09:15
ok... first... when I hit f4 I get oem install as the last option not LTSP install
09:15
in fact I dont get LTSP install at all
09:19
I've double checked and it is the CD built on 17/4/08 so its the right onw... the ltsp option is not in there
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<laga>
Nubae: you using the normal ubuntu install?
09:26
Nubae: or the alternate disk?
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<Nubae>
ogra: are u there?
09:42
<ogra>
Nubae, well, its definately on the alternate disk, i promise :)
09:42
<Nubae>
shit... did I download the desktop cd
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or normal server cd
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<ogra>
do you have two or four entries in the modes menu ?
09:44
desktop only has two afaik
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<Nubae>
maybe there should be a direct link to the alternate cd here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
09:44
4
09:44
so must have been server, and I thought that was the right onw
09:44
<ogra>
nope
09:44
thats why it says "alternate CD" everywhere :)
09:44
<Nubae>
I no it says it clearly in the instructions
09:45
but I was in a rush and downloaded normal server cd without looking
09:45
anyway, without redownloading, should I just install normal ubuntu
09:46
<ogra>
setting a fixed link means that it will need to be updated for 8.04.1 .2 .3 etc
09:46
<Nubae>
that would have suited me fine ;-)
09:46
<ogra>
i'll make "alternate CD" bold in the page
09:46
<Nubae>
but I know what you mean yea
09:47
so, shoudl I redownload?
09:47
i was so concentrated on the 64 bit part, the alternate bit escaped me
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<ogra>
ah, well, for 64bit you should raher use the manual method anyway
09:48
the package selection on the 64bit cd still doesnt contain ay 32bit packages .... so it will build an amd64 chroot out of the box
09:49
<Nubae>
yeah its been like that from day 1
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<ogra>
intrepid will get an option if network is detected to buiod a 32bit client from the network archive during install
09:50
<Nubae>
downloading a lot faster today than yesterday in any case
09:50
<ogra>
indeed
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<Nubae>
so install from the regular ubuntu server cd should not cause issues
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<ogra>
RC and release day are always hard for the servers
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<Nubae>
wont be able to beta test u're instructions though
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<ogra>
err
09:51
server doesnt gain you anything
09:51
you need a desktop
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<Nubae>
ah sorry, I have desktop
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<ogra>
-alternate or -desktop
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<Nubae>
ubuntu-8.04-RC-desktop
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09:52
<ogra>
thats fine
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<Nubae>
amd64
09:52
ok
09:53
gonna try writing again with brasero, the regular cd hangs
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at startup
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<Nubae>
hope u didn't get too much mail yesterday/today :-)
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<Nubae>
yesterday I asked, but people were quite busy... are there any recommendations for actual thin terminal clients ( a website url preferably)
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: is there any way to prevent invoke-rc.d from running inside the chroot, when upgrading packages?
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<Nubae>
q funk, enable proc and sys
10:04
then it wont matter
10:04
damn... desktop cd hangs
10:07
cd hangs on all types of startups, I'll wait for that actual alternate cd to download
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maybe the iso was downloaded badly
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<laga>
verify the md5sum
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<Nubae>
where are the 8.04 hashes?
10:18
<laga>
on the mirrors
10:20
<Nubae>
ok mdsum is correct
10:21
turn off apic and lapic?
10:23
even clicking on check cd for defects freezes the system
10:27
well 40 minutes to wait to download alernate, but will the same thing happen
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<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false chroot /path/to/your/ltsp/chroot
10:29
Q-FUNK: or just export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false
10:30
Q-FUNK: that'll trigger the policy wrapper so invoke-rc.d won't do anything
10:30
<Q-FUNK>
ah ok
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<Nubae>
weird, written 2 cds, both cause the computer to freeze then eject the disc saying error reading disk
10:36
<StevenR_>
tested the drive with a known-good cd?
10:45
<Nubae>
yes
10:45
20 minutes till alternate downloads, just gonna wait
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<Nubae>
weird, one cd hangs on a screen with a white blinking -
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the other extracted the cd after some time saying there was an error with it
10:46
burnt one with brasero, one with what comes standard
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<vagrantc>
ogra: did you say you could confirm the regression regarding the ltspfs /tmp/.USER-ltspfs/DEVICE issue?
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<Nubae>
5 dias eh... cool
10:56
I wonder, has ubuntustudio changed much at all
11:02
weird, been testing mandriva, and it comes with the mic settings to full as standard, so you can hear yourself talk...
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lol
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<Nubae>
ok, I have the alternate Cd downloaded now, can I follow the same instructions even if its 64bit?
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<laga>
Nubae: if your clients are 64bit
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<Nubae>
they're note
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not
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<laga>
16:45 < ogra> ah, well, for 64bit you should raher use the manual method anyway
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16:46 < ogra> the package selection on the 64bit cd still doesnt contain ay 32bit packages .... so it will build an amd64 chroot out of the box
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<Nubae>
who would have 64 bit thin clients
11:15
right, but I can build another chroot after without problems right?
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using the --arch flag
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<laga>
afterwards, yes
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<Nubae>
k, but forced to install 64 bit chroot, get it
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<Nubae>
ASUS, a leading company in the new digital era, today announced the release of a comprehensive software developer's kit (SDK) for the ASUS Eee PC. The new SDK enables third-party developers to easily enhance and extend the popular, mobile, open source platform for educational, telecommunications, and many other uses. The Eee PC SDK provides a complete development platform, including an Eee PC-compatible Open Circulation Edition of the X
11:19
a Qt4 toolkit, a developer's guide, sample applications, and a multilingual VMware testing and debugging environment." - they really are beating classmate and xo to the punch
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<Nubae>
http://www.everex.com/products/cloudbook/cloudbook.htm - that looks interestig
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<Nubae>
jeez, the alternate cd hangs too..
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<vagrantc>
warren: what's the deal with: [ -f /selinux/enforce ] && /sbin/restorecon -R $TFTPDIR &> /dev/null
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warren: can we just use > /dev/null ?
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<warren>
vagrantc: let me test that
11:39
vagrantc: yeah, i guess so, go ahead and change it.
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<vagrantc>
warren: cool.
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<johnny>
ok.. guys
11:46
here's the magic line
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/usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession
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commit that to ldm for me?
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<vagrantc>
johnny: does it accept arguments?
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<johnny>
sorry for taking so long.. i had some serious issues with my routing
11:47
you mean the ones in the dropdown ?
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gnome-session and ll?
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<vagrantc>
johnny: i.e. /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession FOO ... starts the FOO window manager
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<johnny>
what sets the default ?
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<vagrantc>
i don't know how gentoo works.
11:48
<johnny>
on a normal desktop
11:48
<vagrantc>
define normal
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<Nubae>
argh... is there some easy way for me to make an iso onto a usb stick instead?
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<johnny>
the default is an env var called XSESSION
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<vagrantc>
johnny: i can explain the behavior on debian and ubuntu systems, but every distro appears to implement this stuff differently.
11:48
<johnny>
vagrantc, the one you're on right now :)
11:49
prolly
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<vagrantc>
hopefully we can fix all the distros. :)
11:49
exactly what goes on behind the scenes i don't care about.
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<Nubae>
all the distros... lol
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<vagrantc>
but i would like to see all supported Xsession's handling two behaviors: no argument means set some reasonable default for your distro, and the first argument is which session to run.
11:50
that's how debian works
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and it seems reasonable.
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at the moment, though, LDM actually doesn't use Xsession when you've manually selected a session
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<johnny>
ok.. so i'll test to make sure the dropdown works
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<vagrantc>
if you use the dropdown, it will skip Xsession entirely.
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<johnny>
so how can i test whether it takes an argument that actually works? :)
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<vagrantc>
read the code?
11:53
i would think it should be near the top of the code...
11:53
johnny: i guess it's not really important at the moment, since not all distros support it. but i would like to be able to support it in the future.
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<johnny>
ok.. i selected failsafe xterm, while the default is Gnome
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and it worked
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<vagrantc>
maybe we can make it configurable ... but then it will break cross-distro logins.
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<johnny>
so yes.. it worked
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<vagrantc>
it worked, as in your system allows you to run arbitrary commands... that does nothing to demonstrate weather your Xsession supports passing an argument.
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johnny: like i said, don't worry about it now. we'll fix it when we get to it.
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<johnny>
i was told that it did
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<vagrantc>
it did what?
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<johnny>
supports passing an argument
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<vagrantc>
ok, great :)
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<Nubae>
damn cdrom drive, changed it now it works great
12:15
I thought HP was supposed to be good stuff
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<Nubae>
hp proliant dl... both the network ports have broken and now the cdrom drive
12:17
I hightly dis-recommend that piece of machinery
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12:24 Morning everyone
12:26 I just bought an hp 2207h widescreen lcd and am trying to get a client to display proberly in k12ltsp5
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<johnny>
think you can commit that for me guys?
12:27 The desktop fills the display but images are stretched a bit too wide... ;-(
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<johnny>
vagrantc, lemme know when you do
12:32
i'm pretty close to an OOTB install
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just need to setup the tftp server, and copy the initramfs and kernel to the chroot now
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err out of the chroot now
12:32 the lcd says it is at 1680x1050 but images are too wide
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<johnny>
that's temporary for the copying tho
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<Q-FUNK>
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13579502/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.xorg-server_2%3A1.4.1~git20080131-1ubuntu10_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
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*sigh*
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<vagrantc>
johnny: do what?
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<johnny>
commit that line
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for the xsession
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<vagrantc>
ah.
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<Nubae>
is it normal that building thin client sits at 50% for a very long time?
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<laga>
Nubae: yes
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Nubae: alt+f4 to see progress
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<Nubae>
just started compressing image so ok now
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<laga>
it's amazingly fast to build the image from disk
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<Nubae>
well now comes all the hard part, migrating from gutsy
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<vagrantc>
johnny: pushing now...
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<johnny>
i'm going to do a smoketest tonight when i head to work
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then maybe i might have something to recommend for merging
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<johnny>
testing now
13:12
so, is anybody hosting tarballs that match the release.conf versions?
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<johnny>
vagrantc, line 464 is that correct?
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i think you need to remove it
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<vagrantc>
johnny: of?
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<johnny>
ldm.c
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here's the error
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ldm.c:461: error: expected expression before ‘else’
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<vagrantc>
well, i think i need to add another
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<johnny>
oh yeah
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need to add another } :)
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<vagrantc>
can you add another at after the debian segment ... test it, and i'll commit
13:16
johnny: by test, i mean just see if you get the compile error.
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<johnny>
yes
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it built
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<vagrantc>
pushing...
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<johnny>
build complete, now testing :)
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if this works, i dont' have to distribute an /etc/lts.conf with any overrides that might get accidentally taken out by the user
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yay
13:40
is it me or is getltscfg too strict?
13:40
syntax error in /etc/lts.conf, line 3
13:40
there's nothing on that line :)
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<laga>
line 2 might be faulty?
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<johnny>
line two is [default]
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<laga>
maybe it's expecting something? do the following lines have content?
13:41
<johnny>
there are no following lines?
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<laga>
i wonder if just having
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[default]
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<johnny>
ubuntu distributes that way iirc
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<laga>
with not content for that section is valid
13:41
oh?
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<johnny>
pretty sure it has a bunch of commented lines
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and then [default]
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oh.. it's just comments
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i coulda swore i tried that, which is why i added [default] in the first place :(
13:43
ok.. here goes..
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i think it should allow [default] tho
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that way users dont' have to remember to add it
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and wonder why they get syntax errors
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<Nubae>
I've got my new install up now, but it jumps to busybox with mount: Mounting /rofs failed:infalid argument
13:44
I've been through this issue before
13:45
<laga>
is inetd.conf ok?
13:45
<vagrantc>
johnny: if you have an lts.conf, you need something in there.
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johnny: or no default entry
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<Nubae>
looks correct, this is off a totally fresh install
13:46
with no messing around at all
13:46
it was i386 I downloaded in the end, so built the ltsp chroot and everything
13:46
but then getting this error
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<laga>
Nubae: dhpcd.conf correct?
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<Nubae>
considering its pointing to the same place as always, I guess so
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<laga>
Nubae: /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img existing?
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<Nubae>
anywayes
13:50
sorrry was supposed to be just yes
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<johnny>
yay.. i rock :)
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<Nubae>
I've tried rebuilding the image, maybe that will work?
13:55
nope didn't help
13:55
this is totally strange, a fresh i386 install, and I get that
13:56
Its looking for rootserver 192.168.1.1, what is that?
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<laga>
Nubae: what's in the pxelinux config?
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<Nubae>
just standard DEFAULT vmlinuz to initrd=initrd.img
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<laga>
odd
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<Nubae>
i took out quiet and splash to see what was happening
14:00
any more ideas?
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<Furlow>
hi would anyone know why my client says its trying to boot from /etc/pxelinux.cfg.<some code here> and then each time it takes when leter off the end and entually boots from default
14:15
also my client is booting but the keyboard is all messed up although I have the right key config
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: does LTSP have a list of known X drivers it uses to parse whta X configure returns? could it be that -geode isn't there but -amd is?
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<johnny>
oops.. i'm a bad person :(
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i forgot to commit my updated quickstart file since ages
16:04
smoke testing will begin in t minus 1 hour :)
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
18:36
yay!
18:37
figured out the double-mount problem.
18:37
ldm's rc.d handling just looks at the beginning of the filename, and doesn't exclude things like .old and such.
18:37
so i had multiple scripts in the directory.
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and so it was getting mounted multiple times ...
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<warren>
a bunch of .d scripts either have to enforce
18:44
1) never write .old or .rpmnew or .rpmwhatever files on version upgrades
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(always overwrite)
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2) or have an exclusion list of suffixes
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3) or only operate on files that end in a certain fixed suffix
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we had to patch upstart to ignore certain filenames in /etc/event.d
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for example
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<vagrantc>
debian uses run-parts to handle most of that stuff
19:06
we could probably move run_parts_list into ltsp-common-functions and use that.
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<Q-FUNK>
hm
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<vagrantc>
warren: i mentioned all this at one point.
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<Q-FUNK>
am I the only one whose chroot no longer works on Hardy since a couple of days?
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<warren>
vagrantc_: I asked if we could switch to debian's run-parts, I was told no.
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<vagrantc_>
warren: yeah, that's why we have the run_parts_list function
21:20
warren: it basically can do the same thing.
21:30
warren, ogra, dberkholz, johnny, cyberorg, gvy: preparing to tag ltspfs soonish.
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<warren>
vagrantc_: I'll take a quick look to be sure there's nothing I had queued
21:32
vagrantc_: that's without the udev based thing right?
21:35
vagrantc_: ok, looks OK
21:35
vagrantc_: I'm assuming ogra's changes are working fine for you?
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<vagrantc_>
warren: yes, they're working fine. i had some troubles at first, but it was because of mistakes i had made.
21:41
but yes, i had brought up a while ago using something to ensure backup files or whatever, aren't executed.
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<vagrantc_>
tagged and pushed ltspfs-trunk
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