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Channel log from 15 November 2012   (all times are UTC)

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10:12
<markit>
hi, after adding LDM_DIRECTX=True, what I must restart (I don't want to restart the server, that is providing other services to the lan)
10:12
?
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10:21
<Hyperbyte>
markit, hi
10:22
lts.conf is loaded by a client during boot, from the tftp server.
10:22
<markit>
hi Hyperbyte :) I've suggested that line to a friend of mine, but tells me now that clients are stuck to the ubuntu screen... and if he removes, it does not work anymore
10:22
<Hyperbyte>
Restarting an LTSP server is only necessary for kernel upgrades.
10:22
<markit>
and he can't reboot the server
10:23
<Hyperbyte>
markit, tell him to pastebin the lts.conf file, see what typo he's made. :)
10:23
Also, you could try
10:23
!quiet-splash
10:23
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
10:23
<markit>
Hyperbyte: he restored the original one, but does not work anymore
10:24
Hyperbyte: he told me that with ctrl+esc he reads "Negotiation"
10:25
is of any help?
10:25
but system working -> modify lts.conf -> system not working -> restore lts.conf -> yet not working!
10:26
he has a minimal lts.conf, the only strange custom line is of a LDM_XSESSION="blablabla" one
10:27
<Hyperbyte>
markit, I bet he did more than just modify lts.conf
10:27
I bet he also rebuilt the client image, because he thought it was necessary. Correct?
10:27
<markit>
I'll ask him, but dubt... is a system he has fear of touch
10:27
<alkisg>
Maybe his lts.conf has a syntax error, tell him to pastebin it
10:28
<markit>
and I told him explicitly that was the ONLY thing to do
10:28
hi alkisg :)
10:28
he copied as .bak and now restored
10:28
<Hyperbyte>
I'm with alkisg on this one. Or actually alkisg is with me, because I already suggested it earlier. :P
10:28
Pastebin the file. :)
10:29
alkisg, Fedora has an "fpaste" command, which is used extensively by the #fedora folk for pastebin. You can just pipe whatever output to the command, and it will pastebin it and provide a link. Is there something like this in Ubuntu?
10:29
<markit>
ok, I have to hide the real name of a custom part, because don't want to have him discovered
10:32
here http://pastebin.com/ewjETGaP
10:32
<Hyperbyte>
Wow.
10:32
11:26 <markit> he has a minimal lts.conf <--- ????
10:32
<markit>
seems so
10:33
he complains clients are slow like hell
10:33
and a ton of other problems
10:33
so I suggested the ldmdirect stuff
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10:34
<dav_>
ecco
10:34
<markit>
hi dav_ :)
10:34
<dav_>
ci sono, ti scrivo da Trento
10:34
<Hyperbyte>
markit, remove XRANDR_DISABLE = False
10:34
<markit>
alkisg, Hyperbyte: dav_ is the guy I told you about
10:34
<Hyperbyte>
Also remove LOCAL_DEV = True
10:34
<markit>
dav_: english only here
10:34
<Hyperbyte>
Those are defaults
10:35
<markit>
Hyperbyte: ok, but then don't hurt, no?
10:35
<dav_>
ok, I try
10:35
<Hyperbyte>
markit, why make your config more complicated than it needs to be?
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10:36
<markit>
Hyperbyte: sure, just that we have to make it work again, and those lines were there before, but ok
10:36
<Hyperbyte>
What happens when you comment out the LDM_XSESSION line?
10:36
Hi dav_ :)
10:36
<dav_>
Hi
10:36
<markit>
alkisg: I've not epoptes here handy, the ssh assistance has a default port or is something I have to tell to the assisted one? Like ip:port?
10:37
<dav_>
nothing
10:37
<Hyperbyte>
dav_, after you updated the lts.conf file - did you run ltsp-update-image?
10:37
<markit>
dav_: comment and restart the client, of course
10:37
<Hyperbyte>
(don't run it, the correct answer is 'no')
10:37
<dav_>
no, only restart a client
10:37
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
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10:39
<Hyperbyte>
dav_, so you commented the LDM_XSESSION line and still the client is stuck at the splash screen after a restart?
10:39
<dav_>
i don't know if a ltsp-update-image works
10:39
yes
10:39
<Hyperbyte>
dav_, no, don't ltsp-update-image. It's not needed.
10:39
dav_, do this: mv lts.conf lts.conf.disabled
10:40
Then reboot client.
10:40
Also do this
10:40
!quiet-splash
10:40
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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10:47
<markit>
from theory and pratice there is no difference... in theory ;P
10:49
<alkisg>
markit: the port is 5500
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10:57
<markit>
5500 is for vnc, I meant ssh
10:58
ok, we have lost dav_ connection, he tells me that tries to rebuild the image (sigh!) and reboot the server
11:02
Hyperbyte: thanks for the help, wondering what could have been wrong there
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11:23
<Hyperbyte>
It's always interesting when novice administrators try to employ Windows methods to fix systems, like rebooting and reinstalling
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11:44
<markit>
mmm I've a dvi-to-vga adapter, and seems ltsp isn't able to get the right resolution :(
11:45
I will have to force in lts.conf, hope to be able, but in any case sad situation
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12:07
<markit>
mm there is no way to force at 1280x1024, it's still at 1024x768. I can put at 800x600, so seems that the XRANDR_MODE_0 works
12:09
am I missing something?
12:13
<Hyperbyte>
markit, problem with DVI-VGA adapters is that it doesn't allow dynamic resolution detection anymore
12:13
Or whatever it's called.... it causes the screens to detect wrong resolution by default. It becomes even more problematic if you use dual screens
12:13
<markit>
Hyperbyte: ok, but I try to force, and does not obey if greater than 1024x738
12:13
<Hyperbyte>
My advice: avoid them like the plague.
12:14
markit, that's probably because the video card is convinced the screen doesn't support it
12:14
<markit>
Hyperbyte: unfortunately we have old monitors, and 2 new computer that have hdmi and dvi, not vga
12:14
<Hyperbyte>
markit, on the said computer, type "xrandr"
12:14
If it doesn't show the mode you want, you'll have to add a new mode (see xrandr --help)
12:14* markit now testing with my own monitor that has dvi, just to be sure that it works fine with it
12:14
<Hyperbyte>
And then once the new mode is added, you can choose it.
12:15
<markit>
Hyperbyte: ok, but I need it automatically done by ltsp
12:15
<Hyperbyte>
markit, I'm not sure if LTSP can do it for you
12:15
You would probably have to script it, and then run that script using RC_FILE in lts.conf
12:16
But - I'm not sure when RC_FILE gets executed. If it's before X is loaded, then it won't work.
12:16
You would then have to hack it in somewhere else... maybe in LDM scripts
12:16
<markit>
sigh :(
12:18
<Hyperbyte>
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1033066
12:18
<markit>
thanks
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13:04
<khildin>
anyone: what was that linux alternative for iTalc again?
13:04
I think alkisg was involved with it...
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13:06
<khildin>
nm... I found it: Epoptes
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13:11
<andygraybeal>
khildin! aye
13:12
<khildin>
hey andy... :)
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13:46
<markit>
khildin: yep, epoptes, is also included in ubuntu / debian now
13:47
<khildin>
I know and it rocks... :)
13:47
<markit>
we are proud of it ;P
13:47
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: there's pastebinit in ubuntu
13:47
command | pastebinit, and then paste the link here
13:48
<khildin>
I just was pointing someone on a forum to epoptes but could't remember the exact name... but after a bit of digging in my memory things came back.... ;)
13:49
in a 100% ubuntu environment epoptes outperforms iTalc bigtime... but if there is a mixed environment you have to use iTalc
13:49
<markit>
khildin: schools must avoid proprietary software for educational and ethical and pratical reasons, one more pratical reason for doing that ;P
13:49
<alkisg>
markit: what is "LOCAL_DEVICE_01=/dev/sr0:cdrom ?
13:50
<markit>
alkisg: I've no idea, I guess to have access to local cdrom of the clients?
13:50
<alkisg>
Also, setting XSESSION isn't recommented...
13:50
markit: it's not an ltsp variable
13:50
<markit>
alkisg: is a configuration that did some "guru" to his school, and things don't go well
13:50
<alkisg>
So it probably doesn't do anything
13:50
<khildin>
I agree, but as long money hungry 'advisors' have a lot of influence on decision makers... that won't happen... :-/
13:51
<markit>
he asked me for help, but we don't have to make the "installer" understand my "friend" is trying to fix himself
13:51
<alkisg>
markit: sure, LDM_DIRECTX=True should help a lot with performance
13:51
<markit>
khildin: I never stop to fight ;P
13:51
alkisg: yep, but after inserting it the client were not logging anymore
13:51
<khildin>
we both won't stop the fight then... :)
13:52
<markit>
khildin: happy to hear it :))
13:52
alkisg: I don0t know how skilled my "friend" is, but should be enough to change the config file
13:52
<alkisg>
markit: and what does the secret XSESSION script do? Maybe it relies on weird stuff?
13:52
<markit>
alkisg: private?
13:52
<alkisg>
I don't think the problem was LDM_DIRECTX though
13:52
Sure
13:53
<khildin>
there is a big implementation of LTSP cluster in the Netherlands... 2K+ clients... I always point people to that example. It shows LTSP is stable and robust...
13:54
But I do wish more schools have the guts to take that step too
13:55
<alkisg>
We have around 300 here, so 3000+ clients
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13:57* markit has troubles with his 24 clients
13:58
<markit>
I mean, performances don't scale that well in thin clients if you use i.e. impress with images
13:58
and I've KDE not working in fat mode, sigh
13:58
khildin: btw, do you use KDE? or kde with nfs home shared (outside ltsp, I mean..)
13:59
<khildin>
no... I am one of those unity lovers... :P
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14:04
<markit>
I would run for xfce if I had not put kde everywhere in 4 schools
14:04
and teachers are not willing to learn again something new
14:10
<alkisg>
10:57<markit>5500 is for vnc, I meant ssh ==> epoptes isn't using ssh, it's using socat in port 5500 by default
14:10
ssl + gnu screen
14:11
11:44<markit>mmm I've a dvi-to-vga adapter, and seems ltsp isn't able to get the right resolution :( => X_HORZSYNC / X_VERTREFRESH
14:11* alkisg gets throught the irc logs :P
14:12
<markit>
alkisg: isn't available "reverse ssh" in epoptes?
14:12
<alkisg>
Not "ssh", reverse console with ssl + gnu screen
14:12
This way you don't have to share a user account
14:12
<markit>
ok, and not on port 5500 that is for vnc, right?
14:12
<alkisg>
On port 5500, just for interface simplicity
14:12
<markit>
oh! I have to change my doc then
14:13
<alkisg>
You can define a port with server:port if you want
14:13
But the default is 5500
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14:14
<markit>
!socat
14:14
<ltsp>
socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
14:14
<andygraybeal>
awesome :)
14:15
<alkisg>
The "remote pc" part is done by epoptes, the technician does the first part
14:15
<markit>
alkisg: clever, since I have to redirect 5500 for vnc, but this way we can't have vnc AND ssh + gnu screen at the same time... can it be a problem? maybe not
14:15
<alkisg>
markit: why would you want that? But if you do want it, just put server: port
14:16
<markit>
ok, great, I do have to test it's performance, I was impressed when you were able to assist me with vnc and my low bandwidth connection
14:17* alkisg has been doing this many times a day for some time now, to support greek teachers...
14:17
<alkisg>
I only had to use socat in a couple of cases, e.g. when the school had ISDN connection instead of ADSL
14:18
<markit>
oh, I recall now that I still have to investigate for the LiBo problem with embedded links instead of images and a low bandwidth connection
14:19
but the things that bugs me most is the kde on nfs problem
14:19
hope to have time tonight to do some further steps in creating a test environment easy to setup
14:21
<alkisg>
I think there's a problem where after the sshfs call, it takes some time for the mount to become available... I saw that in gnome one time too, and I got prompted by an ssh_askpass dialog, and the whole /home/username got unavailable
14:21
And while checking KDE, I saw that it managed to create some files under /home/username *locally* on the client
14:22
So *one* of the KDE problems might be an sshfs-related problem
14:22
<markit>
alkisg: I've tried, outside ltsp, to have a nfs mount, and there is the same problem if I don't disable nepomuk and let akonadi use mysql. There is a service that crashes multiple time so probably fetches stuff a lot of time until is not started anymore
14:23
BUT I had no time to disable nepomuk and put akonadi use sqllite3 in that environment
14:23
<alkisg>
That's another of KDE problems with networked /home, I think there are multiple problems there
14:24
<markit>
NFS mounted home should be a common configuration for business... but seems few business use KDE and gnu linux
14:24
or both
14:24
I've found some posts of people that claim to have that stuff working, I emailed them but no answer
14:24
<alkisg>
Or few KDE developers use NFS :)
14:24
<markit>
none I guess
14:25
and also SSD is more and more common among developers
14:25
so also slow I/O is not imediately evident to them more and more
14:25
we are bloating GNU DE a lot
14:26* alkisg thinks LXDE will get more users in the future ;)
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14:27
<andygraybeal>
lxde! yay
14:28
<markit>
I've to run now, thanks a lot for everything
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<alkisg>
bb
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<alkisg>
Hi Vagrant
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Hi all
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<wicksey>
kev_j, I've brought my cups config home from work. Want it or did you fix it?
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