IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 August 2014   (all times are UTC)

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09:55
<okidoki>
hi anyone some experiences with uefi client booting over PXE? With bios it works fine. But now more and more clients will have only uefi instead of bios as firmware interface. I would like to start some testing if it works also.
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11:42
<map7>
In a LTSP-PNP system should the lts.conf file be in the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64 directory?
11:42
As it doesn't seem to be reading it from there when booting and I've rebuilt the image after my changes.
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<alkisg>
map7: check the tftp logs to be sure, or try /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 too
12:59
The code is supposed to default to <arch> there, when using ipappend 3, as in the ltsp-pnp page
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<frank_>
eptotes 0.56: is it possibile broadcast a same message to every client?
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13:57
<Aetos>
Hello?
13:58
<Cyrius1234>
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
13:58
<Aetos>
hi :)
13:58
I'm stuck in LTSP server installation can someone help me?
14:01
I'm stuck in LTSP server installation can someone help me?
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14:10
<alkisg>
frank_: sure, if you use the message dialog, by default it goes to all clients
14:10
If you select 5 clients and then use it, then it's displayed to those 5 clients...
14:10
!ask | echo Aetos:
14:10
<ltsp>
Aetos: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
14:30
<frank_>
alkisg it seems not have a broadcast all, like italc...anyway so I have to make a multiple select of the client then send msg
14:34
<alkisg>
frank_: if you don't select any clients, it broadcasts to all
14:34
if you select all clients, it broadcasts to all
14:34
So do one of those 2 methods
14:34
What other method would you like? An extra menu just for that?
14:35
<frank_>
alksisg: it would be fine ^_^ anyway it's a great tool
14:36
<alkisg>
frank_: then we would need another menu for send screen to all, block sound for all, execute for all etc
14:36
I.e. twice the menus, it would add complexity with no real value
14:38
<frank_>
alkisg: a "select all" coud help when you have a session with 50+ clients
14:38
<alkisg>
frank_: ctrl+a
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<alkisg>
Or click outside the clients, select none is the same as all
14:39
<frank_>
alkisg: trying
14:41
alksing: that's fine! wonderful! thanks a lot
14:43
alksing: do you have experience with debian7.1 edu? it's working all fine, except on thick client I have annoying pop up on every startup (renew ticket)
14:51
<Cyrius1234>
Where is the ltsp-build.conf?
14:56
nevermind
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<frank_>
Cyrius1234: sudo find / -name ltsp-build.conf
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<Cyrius1234>
thanks frank
15:03
<frank_>
debian 7.1 edu: on fat client I have always credential expired every time I log in. Instead on server and thin client credential is always ok
15:05
<Cyrius1234>
actually, I think I had the same exact thing occur. It just refused to take my creds.
15:07
<frank_>
Cyrius1234: ask always to renew ticket. very annoying
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15:09
<alkisg>
frank_: is debian-edu using ltsp for fat clients?
15:10
<frank_>
alkisg: debian-edu use fat automatically for client with > 320MB RAM
15:10
<alkisg>
frank_: are they netbooted?
15:11
Or are local disks used for their installation?
15:11
<frank_>
alkisg: yes netboot
15:11
alkisg: it use NFS instead of NBD
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15:12
<alkisg>
Do you see ldm on debian-edu fat clients? https://jonathancarter.org/files/images/ldm_ltsp.png
15:12
<okidoki>
hi anyone some experiences with uefi client booting over PXE? With bios it works fine. But now more and more clients will have only uefi instead of bios as firmware interface. I would like to start some testing if it works also
15:12
<alkisg>
okidoki: there are several pages about that in google, did you try to follow someone and it didn't work?
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<frank_>
alkisg: yes I see, then load xfce desktop and I have the kerberos pop-up that inform expiring
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<alkisg>
frank_: ah ok, that's AFTER login, it's a known problem, LDM doesn't use pam, doesn't unlock the keyrings etc
15:14
LTSP 6 will stop using LDM
15:14
And will solve that
15:14
Check the time of the fat clients too
15:14
<okidoki>
alkisg:
15:14
i tried but could not find anything usefull, do you know some information?
15:14
<frank_>
alkisg: yes after login. so it can't be fixed
15:14
<alkisg>
frank_: It needs to be withing a few minutes from the server time
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<alkisg>
If the problem is the time, then you can easily fix it
15:15
<frank_>
alkisg: how i can fix the time? seems debian 7.1 uses ntp to syncronize clocks
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15:15
<alkisg>
Did you check that the time is the problem?
15:15
<frank_>
how i can check
15:15
<alkisg>
Do fat clients have e.g. 5 minutes time difference from the server?
15:15
See the time on a fat client and compare it with the server
15:16
okidoki: here's a page from the ubuntu wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/PXE-netboot-install
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Here's another from redhat: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Installation_Guide/s1-netboot-pxe-config-efi.html
15:16
Etc etc...
15:16
<frank_>
alkisg: no such differences...anyway the same happens also with virtual box (same host machine for both guests: server and three clients)
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<alkisg>
Then it's a pam issue, so it's probably not easily solvable for now, you'd need to stop using ldm for that, which isn't easy
15:17
Or stop using kerberos...
15:17
<okidoki>
alkisg: thanks i will have a look
15:18
<frank_>
alkisg: debian-edu come preconfigured, it's very difficult if not impossible change something, also network conf....all hard coded
15:19
every thing is under LDAP
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<alkisg>
okidoki: you should probably file a bug report under ltsp too, so that we start supporting uefi boots as well
15:22
!ltsp-bug
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<ltsp>
ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
15:22
<alkisg>
If you do find out what's needed, do comment on such a bug report, so that developers start implementing it...
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<okidoki>
alkisg: cool that would be great, we love LTSP. I will make a bug report if I find out. More an more clients will have uefi and less bios
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<Cyrius1234>
I wonder if I can just run the browser in wine and completely skip the remote desktop
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<alkisg>
Cyrius1234: check winetricks, they have installers for internet explorer, plugins etc
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<Cyrius1234>
You know if there is a wine IRC channel?
17:29
<Phantomas>
http://www.winehq.org/irc
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unless you mean the alcoholic drink
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<Cyrius1234>
I went to #wine and got booted imediately. I figured it was for the alcoholics
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<Cyrius1234>
Wine is a no go on that so I am trying your virtualbox idea
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<Aetos>
Sorry i'm back, idk if my last message went through so i'll repost
20:55
When I try to install LTSP via Ubuntu 12.04 Alternate (.iso) on virtualbox, I get an error : [!!] Build LTSP chroot Installation step failed An installation step failed. You can try to un the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Build LTSP chroot.
20:56
for now I installed a normal 12.04 desktop ubuntu
20:56
and i'm looking into installing LTSP
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by creating static IP address to the first NIC card
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hope you can help :)
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<vagrantc>
Aetos: if your clients are good enough, you might want to consider ltsp-pnp...
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!ltsp-pnp | echo Aetos
21:11
<ltsp>
Aetos ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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<vagrantc>
it's a much simpler method to maintain fat clients, and also works for thin clients to some degree.
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<Aetos>
I forgot to mention, i'm just learning about this stuff yet, I think I preffer to know why it didn't work in the first place. But then once I familiarize myself with LTSP I'll deffinitely revisit your proposal
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<Aetos>
Is it normal that my the interfaces file that is in /etc/network only contains two lines? "auto lo iface lo inet loopback"
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