IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 27 February 2013   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<vagrantc>
bobpit: probably just a little confused at what you're looking at ... try to log in while you can look at it, so people can help you.
00:01
<bobpit>
from what I remember the /opt/ltsp/ directory was EMPTY
00:02
if this is the case, it is either that I am viewing it with reduced rights
00:02
or my system is corrupted
00:02
I think I used Nautilus to navigate there and examine it
00:02
<vagrantc>
or you installed it in a non-standard location
00:03
bobpit: you're actually able to boot thin clients?
00:03
<bobpit>
YES, I have 2 thin clients and 11 fat
00:04
<vagrantc>
well, come back when you can get the troubleshooting information needed so that we can help you :)
00:04
<bobpit>
what do you think I installed at a non-standard location? I think I made default installation
00:04
ok, no need to waste time now
00:05
thank you
00:05
I hope someone will be here in 9 hours from now
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02:59
<jammcq>
hey friends
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06:03
<knipwim>
alkisg: morning
06:03
<alkisg>
Good morning knipwim
06:03
<knipwim>
Enslaver's commits are coming nicely
06:04
one question to resolve, and the client/Redhat stuff can be commited
06:05
he even made an overview of all diffs on common files: http://fpaste.org/Pvjz/
06:05
<alkisg>
What question?
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06:06
<alkisg>
Err why the [[ $MOUNTPOINT bashism?
06:07
alkisg@server:~/lshw$ bash -c '[[ true ]]'
06:07
alkisg@server:~/lshw$ dash -c '[[ true ]]'
06:07
dash: 1: [[: not found
06:07
<knipwim>
the 04-server you mean?
06:07
<alkisg>
Yup
06:08
<knipwim>
i've committed that one correctly to upstream already
06:08
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2458
06:08
<alkisg>
What other values might MOUNTPOINT have, to need grep?
06:09
Or, FSTYPE?
06:09
<knipwim>
nfs4 for fstype
06:09
and /oldroot/tmp/unionfs/rofs
06:10
is the way his overlayfs script mounts
06:10
<alkisg>
So ${VAR#prefix} or ${VAR%suffix} could be used...
06:11
<knipwim>
true
06:11
<alkisg>
Also, the $() part isn't needed...
06:11
$ if echo "1234" | grep -q 4; then echo yes; fi
06:11
yes
06:11
<knipwim>
nice
06:12
didn't know that
06:12
at least it doesn't break anything now :)
06:12
but i'll change it
06:13
<alkisg>
Nice work, the diff looks fine
06:14
<knipwim>
even convinced him to use an Ubuntu ltsp-build-client plugin :)
06:14
and I was wondering, his Fedora dirs are all removed
06:15
did you see warren giving permission for this? and do we need it?
06:20
<alkisg>
I'm not sure, but if I were to commit his diff, I'd ask warren to give an "OK", yeah...
06:23
<knipwim>
ok, i'll mail him 'officially' when most of Enslaver's diffs are integrated
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08:08
<knipwim>
morning Enslaver
08:08
or evening
08:08
<Enslaver>
Howdy
08:09
<knipwim>
how was the rodeo?
08:09
<Enslaver>
We missed most of the concert
08:09
We were at the carnival most of the time, found out my brother was working and chatted with him most of the time
08:10
<knipwim>
good times :)
08:10
i've almost merged al Redhat changes but for the client part
08:11
a quick question, is /client/Redhat/rwtab.d supposed to be empty?
08:11
<Enslaver>
yeah
08:12
well
08:12
i might put the old rwtab file back just incase
08:12
<knipwim>
my question really is, can i remove it?
08:12
<Enslaver>
rem, no, i think i should leave the ltsp.rwtab file in there just in case someone doesn't want to use the overlay for some reason
08:12
i've been debating that in my head
08:13
<knipwim>
if it's there, you have to support it
08:13
at least, that's my argument for not including options
08:13
<Enslaver>
yeah i know, and that method sucks
08:14
go ahead and throw it back in, copy client/k12linux/rwtab.d/k12linux.rwtab to client/k12linux/rwtab.d/ltsp.rwtab
08:14
<knipwim>
better focus your time on making non-sucking methods work better :)
08:14
kk
08:14
<Enslaver>
I will fully take it out once btrfs is stable and working in my builds
08:15
err client/Redhat/rwtab.d/ltsp.rwtab
08:15
for the dest
08:17
<knipwim>
also making init-ltsp.d/09-hostname non executable
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08:46
<knipwim>
Enslaver: i've merged most of the Redhat specific changes
08:46
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
08:46
except for ltsp-config
08:47
<Enslaver>
sweet
08:47
<knipwim>
some of the changes could be included in the common one also
08:47
<Enslaver>
ltsp-config isn't done
08:47
<knipwim>
but need more discussion
08:47
ok
08:47
also added 04-server to the common init-ltsp.d
08:48
<Enslaver>
k what about 09-hostname?
08:48
<knipwim>
could that be for common as well?
08:49
<Enslaver>
yeah
08:49
just that one line i believe
08:49
<knipwim>
i see
08:51
<Enslaver>
00-overlay could also be included in the common
08:51
<knipwim>
i can understand the (none), but why the localhost?
08:51
about the 00-overlay, true, but i'd like to let more dev take a look at it
08:51
<Enslaver>
was running into an issue where the clients needed a hostname
08:51
<knipwim>
some questions about them myself
08:52
yes, but localhost is a hostname right?
08:52
<Enslaver>
yeah i'd probably suggest waiting for the next rev for the overlay
08:52
but its needed in my dist
08:53
yes, i cant remember the exact issue, it had something to do with it not being able to pull the lts.conf
08:54
<knipwim>
you're using some exotic tftserver requiring a proper hostname?
08:55
<Enslaver>
no thats what was strange, dracut was supposed to pass the lts.conf down on one of my scripts i was trying and it did the same thing
08:56
once my brain reboots i'll give you more detail
08:58
Also i was running into another issue with hostnames, if the first 4 characters are the same, wtmp/utmp merges them togethe
08:59
<knipwim>
right...
08:59
no rush, i'm doing my dayjob anyway
09:00
we can discuss all of these later today, with more devs
09:03
<Enslaver>
whats your dayjob?
09:05
<knipwim>
i work at a foundation to stimulate ict use in education
09:05
more specifically, i'm part of our learning object search engine
09:05
<Enslaver>
nice
09:06
You do the backend work for the database?
09:06
<knipwim>
no, the actual development is done outhouse
09:07
<Enslaver>
whats your role?
09:07
<knipwim>
we're combining market wishes and future development in the domain toward the technical choices in the platform
09:09
we discuss with our end users, but also with our standards developement team and strategic people to find out which direction to take the platform
09:10
but also technical, i've made a public php class to our api
09:10
right now i'm writing a better test module for some new features
09:11
<Enslaver>
Sounds interesting, how big is the company?
09:12
<knipwim>
Enslaver: for instance, a query from our api: http://wszoeken.edurep.kennisnet.nl:8000/edurep/sruns?operation=searchRetrieve&version=1.2&recordPacking=xml&query=edurep+AND+%28%28about.repository+exact+khan_video%29%29&x-recordSchema=smbAggregatedData&x-recordSchema=extra
09:12
we've got like 100 people working, but the search engine team are just 4
09:13
<Enslaver>
Which is php?
09:13
<knipwim>
collaborating within a larger digital learning materials team of about 12
09:13
https://github.com/kennisnet/phpEdurepSearch
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09:13
<Enslaver>
I'm guessing it query's xml data
09:14
<knipwim>
yes
09:14
we're working on a simpeler interface, for returning in json
09:14
<Enslaver>
are you happy with the speeds of the xml metadata query?
09:15
<knipwim>
yes
09:16
most of it is even xslt generated on the fly, and sent deflated
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09:18
<knipwim>
but the current xml format is not easy to parse and understand we find
09:19
<Enslaver>
most of my web guys prefer jquery
09:20
<knipwim>
we need a json output for those guys :)
09:26
<Enslaver>
I think i just found what i was looking for
09:26
squashfs to iscsi root converter
09:38
<vmlintu>
what kind of conversion is needed for iscsi?
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09:41
<ltspuser_76>
hey, anyone here available to help setup anonymous ftp guest?
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11:15
<warren>
Enslaver: um... why did you name it Redhat?
11:15
Enslaver: for one, that's not how they preferred to be called.
11:15
Enslaver: and secondly it isn't even accurate
11:15
<Enslaver>
i didn't pick name
11:15
<warren>
Enslaver: who did? I need to yell at them.
11:16
<Enslaver>
Got a suggestion to rename it to?
11:16
<warren>
Enslaver: both EPEL and Fedora are under the Fedora Project. If there should be any name, it should be Fedora. Fedora is a top-level org like Apache.
11:16
<Enslaver>
hmm
11:17
<warren>
Enslaver: name it Fedora or FedoraProject
11:18
<Enslaver>
I want it to be separate from my fedora release tho
11:18
<warren>
Enslaver: Fedora is like Apache.
11:18
<Enslaver>
Enterprise 6 release != fedora release, its gonna get confusing
11:19
<warren>
Enslaver: then name EL separate from Fedora
11:19
if it bothers you that much
11:19
just don't name it 'Redhat'
11:19
<knipwim>
why not
11:19
it's only a packaging issue
11:19
no users will ever see it
11:20
but when they do, it's clear that code is for redhat based distro's
11:20
<warren>
It is not accurate to name it that, and from a trademark point of view it is misleading for purposes of source or target identification.
11:21
<Enslaver>
Well it is targeting Red Hat enterprise linux and its spinoffs
11:21
<warren>
and we're not allowed to use that name. EPEL or EL are permissible names.
11:22
<alkisg>
Just out of curiosity, what does "we're not allowed to use that name" mean? We can't have dirs named RedHat? Or e.g. wikipedia can't have a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat page?
11:22
<knipwim>
we don't use it as a trademark names
11:22
as in, not using the name to show affiliation with Redhat, not the dirnames in the code at least
11:22
the wiki is another matter
11:23
or the homepage
11:23
<warren>
technically, Fedora is not a Red Hat product. The company frowns upon calling it that now.
11:23
furthermore "Redhat" makes them cringe.
11:23
<knipwim>
i agree, Fedora specific code should not be in Redhat
11:24
warren: rather RedHat?
11:24
<warren>
knipwim: slightly better, but we're not allowed to use that name
11:24
<knipwim>
we use it in the code as an identifier
11:24
<warren>
knipwim: EL is named such for a reason, identifying the EL version level.
11:25
knipwim: is this the lsb_release thing?
11:25
<knipwim>
i thought so, Redhat was the identifier used on el6
11:25
Enslaver: right ? ^^^
11:26
<warren>
knipwim: No.
11:26
<Enslaver>
RedHatEnterpriseLInux
11:26
<warren>
knipwim: there are multiple generic clones based on RHEL6. They are all source and binary compatible with any software made for EL6.
11:26
knipwim: but they report random things in lsb_release
11:27
<Enslaver>
why not just rename it to RHEL ?
11:27
<warren>
knipwim: you can't rely on lsb_release for this purpose, and I reject code that insists on doing so.
11:27
<knipwim>
the code currently doesn't
11:27
<warren>
Enslaver: you could name it EnterpriseLinux if you want, nobody owns that mark
11:27
<Enslaver>
RHEL will let people know what it is, that way I'm not confused when making a separate tree
11:27
<knipwim>
Enslaver: +1
11:28
<Enslaver>
plus it won't use the word RedHat
11:28
<knipwim>
before Enslaver showed up i didn't even know what EL was
11:28
<warren>
that's better than RedHat, I'm not sure how the company feels about it though
11:28* warren checks if they registered that trademark
11:28
<Enslaver>
so everyone ok with RHEL?
11:28
<knipwim>
i'm ok
11:28
:)
11:28
<Hyperbyte>
Wait I'm confused.
11:28
Where is this name used?
11:28
<Enslaver>
in the packaging of the trunk
11:29
<Hyperbyte>
At what point will an end-user see the name?
11:29
<knipwim>
Hyperbyte: dirnames for RHEL specific code
11:29
<alkisg>
The user will see it at /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/RHEL
11:29
<warren>
Enslaver: it's a little problematic that the needed code between fedora and RHEL is almost identical though
11:29
<Enslaver>
well, they will see VENDOR="Redhat" in configs
11:30
<warren>
don't use that name there either, please
11:30
it makes me cringe
11:30
<alkisg>
Currently it's /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Fedora/
11:30
<warren>
and that's even more misidentifying than the dir name
11:30
the vendor is most definitely not Red Hat
11:30
<Hyperbyte>
I agree with Warren about the name being misleading, but I disagree that this could be an issue on the basis of registered trademarks.
11:30
<knipwim>
it's code! not intended as trademark
11:31
<Hyperbyte>
I say +1 for RHEL
11:31
<warren>
Enslaver: the *only* accurate name of both Fedora and EL distros is "Fedora" or "Fedora Project", in the same sense as Apache.
11:31
RHEL is misleading but not illegal, as far as I can tell.
11:31
<knipwim>
otherwise they could sue us based on these irclogs
11:31
using the name without permission
11:32
<Enslaver>
ok going with RHEL for enterprise releases and Fedora for Fedora releases
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11:32
<Hyperbyte>
Warren, it's not a discussion about legality. If I want to distribute a file with my application called "cocacola.c" because it contains my interface to the Coca Cola website, I can.
11:32
<warren>
Enslaver: that's ok, I think.
11:33
<Hyperbyte>
I can't use the name or logo to promote or identify my software to end-users, because that would be considered "trade"
11:34
<warren>
You, and I are not lawyers.
11:34
<Hyperbyte>
Warren, you are making assumptions on what I do and do not know about trademarks.
11:35
<warren>
Hyperbyte: and you're making assumptions about what I know.
11:35
<Hyperbyte>
No, you're stating incorrect facts in public. That shows what you do, or in this case, do not know.
11:35
:)
11:36
<knipwim>
warren: the Red Hat Trademark Style Guide only deals with the trademark as used in texts, not in code
11:37
<warren>
I'll grant you that is correct.
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11:37
<warren>
As a former employee, we were trained to be far more cautious than that. We didn't put it any variation of those names anywhere in code except for copyright notices.
11:37
My bigger point here is not legal.
11:38
Rather, you are understanding the relationship between RHEL and Fedora incorrectly by calling them "Redhat" based distros and applying that label to them both.
11:38
<Hyperbyte>
And I think we all agree that the 'RedHat' name isn't best suitable to identify Fedora and EL, or even CentOS.
11:38
<knipwim>
so how do you deal with a space in the name for a variable?
11:39
<warren>
That might have been true in 2002, but today everything is based on Fedora, and Fedora is an Apache-like top-level project that is far more than just the Linux distro.
11:39
knipwim: it's always wrong to use the name "Red Hat" or variations as a variable. It isn't even identifying of a particular distro. You are aiming for "EL6" compatibility.
11:41
<Hyperbyte>
I think it makes sense to use Fedora and EL as identifiers. Same happens with RPM's, there are fc17 and el6 tags in RPM filenames.
11:42
<warren>
and I think Enslaver is a little too concerned about using config files in a directory named "Fedora" as if it diminishes the perceived enterprise quality of EPEL6. While his name choice now I dislike, I think there is nothing wrong with it. I say "I think" because I don't know for certain what the company wants these days.
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12:48
<ltspuser_31>
Hi there!
12:49
Just setup a network of LTSP, I have a small question:
12:50
Looks like that the client, when booted, access the full server instead of the chrooted jail
12:50
id this the expected behavior? I was thinking the clients would have been "jailed"
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12:54
<ogra_>
chrooted jail ?
12:54
there is no such thing
12:55
<ltspuser_31>
OK, so when the client boots, he can see the whole server system and filesystem?
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12:56
<ogra_>
yes, thats the purpose of ltsp ...
12:56
so you can maintain all users on the application server in a central place
12:56
<ltspuser_31>
So, only the operating system is jailed, correct?
12:56
<ogra_>
the chroot you refer to is to boot the clients into a login manager
12:57
<ltspuser_31>
OK, fair enough to me!
12:57
<ogra_>
once yu log in it is the same as if you log in on the server screen
12:57
<ltspuser_31>
Thanks for clarification
12:57
yeah, I noticed that
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14:02
<bobpit>
hi guys
14:02
Can somebody tell me how to configure the clients?
14:03
for example, where is located the HOSTS file?
14:03
I mean the file /etc/hosts
14:03
I did change the /etc/hosts but it only affected the SERVER
14:03
I need to know how to change the clients
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<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, hi
14:12
Why do you need to modify /etc/hosts on the clients?
14:12
<bobpit>
hello
14:12
I was talking yesterday to people and they advised me to put entries like this:
14:13
127.0.0.1 facebook.com
14:13
inthe the HOSTS file, in order to blosk them
14:13
<knipwim>
you can do that in the server dns
14:13
<bobpit>
But I do not know the location of the CLIENTS hosts file
14:13
well, the solution with the hosts file seems easy
14:13
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, that's a very bad method of blocking Facebook.
14:13
<bobpit>
just tell me where I can find it
14:14
<Hyperbyte>
Because then I enter "www.facebook.com" and it works
14:14
<bobpit>
?
14:14
really?
14:14
<Hyperbyte>
Or the IP address
14:14
And that you cannot block with a hosts file
14:14
<bobpit>
I tried to follow THIS method: http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
14:14
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, why not set up a proxy server as filter?
14:15
<bobpit>
if you mean SQUID, I tried and I made mistakes
14:15
I prefer something more simple
14:15
<knipwim>
Hyperbyte: you can
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<bobpit>
I will also enter: 127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com
14:16
<knipwim>
http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
14:16
<Hyperbyte>
knipwim, you can block IP's with a hosts file? ;o
14:16
<knipwim>
i always use domainnames to go to websites
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<Hyperbyte>
Well sure.
14:17
<knipwim>
the domainnames i resolve here, get resolved in my local dns first
14:17
and they point to localhost or something like that
14:17
<Hyperbyte>
Meh
14:17
<knipwim>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Tips_and_Tricks/User_Experience#Block_Websites_for_Clients
14:17
BAM
14:17
<bobpit>
so guys, I guess it was not that a bad idea?
14:18
<knipwim>
bobpit: check the link
14:18
<bobpit>
I am doing it right now
14:19
<Hyperbyte>
Meh. Setting up squid+squidGuard+shallalists is a piece of cake. Anyway, it's your party.
14:19
<knipwim>
why would you do that if you can do it easier?
14:19
i don't want to maintain all that stuff
14:22
best ad block ever, i don't even have youtube ads before a vid
14:22
and less bandwidth for all the clients due to ads
14:24
<Hyperbyte>
why: proxy server can do much more intelligent things, like force Google into "safe mode" so you can't Google image search porn, it also filters IP addresses as opposed to just DNS names, and you can configure it to automatically update it's lists without a lot of effort
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<Hyperbyte>
Oh, and you could create an admin account on the proxy server, so you can bypass proxy as admin whenever you need (or want, heh)
14:26
<knipwim>
browsing porn again heh ;)
14:26
<Hyperbyte>
Heh heh heh heh
14:27
<bobpit>
I am sure the proxy server is more sophisticated, however a simpel block on facebook is all I need right now
14:28
<knipwim>
bobpit: or reassign another ip
14:28
<bobpit>
or reassign another ip. ?? I am sorry, what do you mean?
14:29
<knipwim>
like 93.188.129.156 www.facebook.com
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<knipwim>
and it will point to theonion.com
14:29
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, this goes great!
14:29
Until someone discovers you can just use an alternative URL
14:30
Like http://www.bobpitshouldreallyuseaproxyserver.connect.facebook.com/
14:30* Hyperbyte whistles
14:31
<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<Hyperbyte>
Morning Scotty. :)
14:31
<bobpit>
xo xo xo xo
14:31
that's funny
14:31
I never thought of this
14:32
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, lots of people do think of this. Some of them actually thought really hard and invented proxy servers.
14:37
<bobpit>
knipwim, isn't there a way to use WILDCHARS? so that ALL sites including the string facebook will be blocked?
14:38
<knipwim>
i don't think so
14:38
you can block everything to the facebook.com domain
14:38
<bobpit>
I am sorry, what do you mean here?
14:39
this is what I want
14:39
to block facebook.com
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<knipwim>
address=/facebook.com/127.0.0.1
14:40
have you read the link i sent?
14:40
<bobpit>
doing it now, yes
14:40
I am not very familiar with dns, dhcp etc
14:41
<knipwim>
me neither
14:42
<bobpit>
# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN nameserver 127.0.0.1
14:42
these are the contents of resolv.conf
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the instruction say to change it
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<knipwim>
on the client?
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<bobpit>
no, sorry
14:42
<Hyperbyte>
knipwim, I have updated that wiki page. :P
14:42
<bobpit>
I am trying to understand what it says
14:43
<knipwim>
Hyperbyte: dude
14:43
<bobpit>
Hyperbyte, heeeeeey, you are cheating !!!
14:43
<knipwim>
" is the preferred method " ?
14:43
<Hyperbyte>
knipwim, no! I refuse to help users in way!
14:43
apt-get install squidguard
14:44
cd /usr/local/squidGuard/db
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wget http://whatever/blacklist.tgz
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tar -zxvf blacklist.tgz
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service squidguard start
14:44
Done!
14:44
<knipwim>
and another service added to the system
14:45
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, if you're convinced your method is SIMPLER than actually getting a proxy server, then you are NUTS. Sorry to say it, but there you have it.
14:45
knipwim, so? squid's cpu/ram usage is neglible.
14:45
<knipwim>
it's the principle
14:45
for me anyway
14:47
<Hyperbyte>
Great argument. :-D
14:47
<knipwim>
i can explain
14:47
<bobpit>
the link http://whatever/blacklist.tgz does not work
14:47
<knipwim>
less tools = less footprint = less maintanance
14:47
<Hyperbyte>
I'm going to stop discussing this point further. I've made my case... I don't have stock in squid, so another more or less user really doesn't matter to me.
14:48
<bobpit>
or is it just a file to download?
14:48
is squidguard easir to use than SQUID?
14:48
because I failed at squid
14:48
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, it was a quick example. You'll also have to add one line to squid.conf... see http://www.shallalist.de/ for blacklist download.
14:49
bobpit, squidguard is an extension to squid that does the blocking.
14:49
You install squid with the default config, don't touch... except you add one line to make squidguard work... then configure squidguard with the blacklist... done.
14:49
Read the howto's for your system.
14:50
<knipwim>
yeah, it sounds less work already ;)
14:50
<bobpit>
I'll keep these notes for later
14:50
right now I need to understand the other way
14:50
<Hyperbyte>
knipwim, you as someone involved in education should know that students are very resourceful when it comes to circumventing website bans. :)
14:50
I know I was. ;-)
14:51
<knipwim>
bobpit: with does your server /etc/resolv.conf list?
14:51
erm, what does...
14:51
Hyperbyte: and deny them the experience?
14:52
Hyperbyte: i was in primary school, i think only one or two of the whole school could find it out
14:52
<bobpit>
knipwim, I am not at the school server right now. I can only view my test desktop machine
14:52
which does have the LTSP installation
14:53
these are the contents:
14:53
# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN nameserver 127.0.0.1
14:53
that means I CANNOT chnage it
14:53
<knipwim>
is that the ltsp server contents?
14:54
<Hyperbyte>
knipwim: I had to mask SSH protocol as HTTPS and then tunnel all my traffic from localhost through the SSH tunnel to bypass the proxy server. :)
14:54
<bobpit>
knipwim, by reading the instructions, the resolv.conf is not used/altered, correct?
14:54
<knipwim>
correct, only on the client
14:54
<Hyperbyte>
knipwim, no
14:54
The instructions say edit DNS_SERVER in lts.conf
14:54
And set up dnsmasq as a DNS server, and block entries via that
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<knipwim>
bobpit: you specify 2 nameservers in the DNS_SERVER var
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the first is your server ip
14:55
<bobpit>
Hyperbyte, why is the file /etc/resolv.conf mentioned in the instructions? it is not altered at all
14:55
<knipwim>
the second is the one the server uses as nameserver
14:55
bobpit: the DNS_SERVER contents will overwrite the client /etc/resolv.conf
14:55
<bobpit>
pleae let me read the insrtructions line by line
14:56
it is difficult for me to understand
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<bobpit>
I don't understand this line: DNS_SERVER="<server ip> <other dns server ips>"
14:57
<server ip> is the static ip of the SERVER, my pc?
14:58
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, yes. The other IP is the DNS server of your ISP.
14:58
<bobpit>
alkisg, gia sou alkisg !
14:58
<alkisg>
Hi bobpit, I saw you met the guys here, nice :)
14:58
<bobpit>
lol. yes these guys are great!
14:59
The other IP is the DNS server of your ISP hmmm, ok, I need to ask this IP
14:59
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, quick poll. Blocking websites... would you use DNS filtering or a proxy?
14:59
<knipwim>
a lot depends on your answer :)
14:59
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: we have instructions for setting up squid, but we haven't updated them for 12.04 yet, that's why bobpit is having issues applying them...
15:00
<Hyperbyte>
squid! I win!
15:00
<vmlintu>
I'd rearrange the monitors in classrooms so that the teacher can see them
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<knipwim>
he didn't say it was easier :)
15:00
<Hyperbyte>
Hahhaha, vmlintu++
15:00
<bobpit>
NO! you can use EPOPTES to snoop on their screens
15:00
it is so easy!
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<vmlintu>
I'm not sure if using epoptes snooping would be legal
15:01
<Hyperbyte>
Big Brother vmlintu is watching you. :)
15:01
Speaking of big brother and people watching you...
15:01
I got stopped by the police today, while walking on the street
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I went to get some lunch, but it's pretty cold here today
15:02
They thought I looked suspicious... http://t.co/F830nxBQpL
15:02
Can you imagine that? :-/
15:02
<elias_a>
If I would catch a teacher snooping pupils with epoptes or whatever I would contact police right away.
15:03
<vmlintu>
elias_a: that's why I don't even dare to try.. ;)
15:03
<knipwim>
Hyperbyte: no terrorist would dress like that
15:03
<elias_a>
vmlintu: Because you know I would nail you? :D
15:04
<vmlintu>
elias_a: yes ;)
15:04
and actually many others would do the same, actually
15:05
<bobpit>
Hyperbyte, can i use the word LOCALHOST IN PLACE OF THE <server ip>, because the ip may change in the future?
15:05
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, no. And you shouldn't change your LTSP server's IP.
15:06
<bobpit>
I am not sure if I have a static IP
15:06
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, you are most likely confusing local vs. internet IP addresses.
15:06
<knipwim>
bobpit: not the outside ip, the local one
15:06
<Hyperbyte>
Your local address -must- be static.
15:06
<bobpit>
yes
15:07
<vmlintu>
elias_a: speaking of which, how are things on your end?
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<bobpit>
ok, so the <server ip> is the INTERNAL IP , right?
15:07
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, right.
15:08
<bobpit>
I know how to find this in winXP, but how do I find it in ltsp?
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<knipwim>
in terminal do: /sbin/ifconfig
15:10
the internal probably starts with 192.168
15:10
or the other one, 10.?.?
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<bobpit>
yes, just ifconfig was enough
15:13
ok, I did find the entry in the dnsmasq.conf file:
15:13
# Add domains which you want to force to an IP address here. # The example below send any host in double-click.net to a local # web-server. #address=/double-click.net/127.0.0.1
15:13
let me now make notes, to try it tomorrow.....
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<elias_a>
vmlintu: Things are rolling slowly. Many things to do and too much organizational bs.
15:14
vmlintu: Otherwise ok, I guess.
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<vmlintu>
elias_a: maybe spring makes things smoother.. sun shine and birds singing.. ;)
15:21
<ltspuser_59>
trying to create a VOIP solution using raspberry pi, wondering if there is a way to lock down a system so it only opens the program. also how to make a thin client using this software. any ideas?
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is this a possibility?
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<vmlintu>
elias_a: we now have an office in helsinki if you want to see what we've been working on..
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<sbalneav>
"I'd like instructions on how to build a rocket ship to the moon, but I'm only willing to wait 1 minute for a response"
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<sbalneav>
Morning jammcq
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
15:25
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<alkisg>
!ltsp-debian-packaging
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<ltsp>
Error: "ltsp-debian-packaging" is not a valid command.
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: I've uploaded a fix for the ldm/ssh problem, but while trying to test it, I got hit by packaging issues... do you have a few minutes to help?
18:08
https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging stopped importing again from your tree for some reason
18:08
So I'm getting "patch doesn't apply" issues
18:10* alkisg just clicked on "try again" for the import...
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<alkisg>
...which failed... so I'm now creating my own import in launchpad for ltsp-debian-packaging, let's see how that goes...
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19:36* alkisg gives up on launchpad "imports" and just pushes a copy of the branch :-/
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: you could download from the original source... or i could give you commit access to the debian server
19:52
alkisg: there's probably just a change in URL for the packaging branch ... either launchpad or debian changed the supported formats
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: failed to build: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/132523498/buildlog.txt.gz
19:56
Applying patch fix-ltsp-cleanup-bashism patching file client/share/ltsp/ltsp-cleanup Hunk #1 FAILED at 61. 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file client/share/ltsp/ltsp-cleanup
19:58
Ah that was already applied upstream... I'll remove it and retry
20:00
vagrantc: should I also remove all the other patches? Or just this one?
20:00* alkisg is building with the latest ltsp-trunk...
20:02* alkisg removes fix-ltsp-config-bashisms as well...
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<alkisg>
cp client/udev/88-ltsp-sound.rules debian/ltsp-client-core.udev ==> no such file or directory
20:07* alkisg deletes override_dh_installudev:
20:09* alkisg deletes fix-screen-x-common-bashisms
20:13* alkisg thinks all patches were applied upstream and removes all of them...
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<alkisg>
dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Recommends field of package ltsp-server: unknown substitution variable ${vendor:Recommends}
20:16
W: ltsp-server: script-not-executable usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Redhat/009-mock-chroot
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<Hyperbyte>
Everyone knows you shouldn't mock chroots! They don't have any sense of humor whatsoever.
20:19
<alkisg>
I hear they don't like being called "Redhat" chroots either...
20:27
<jammcq>
heh
20:28
<Hyperbyte>
I'm not getting back into that argument. :-D
20:41
<Enslaver>
ba duh ching
20:41
I actually wanna call it EnslaverOS
20:41
Enslavix?
20:48
<warren>
Enslaver: +1000
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, stgraber: for backporting, I tried to do a separate commit that addresses the issue in a minimalistic way... http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2462
20:54
That doesn't take care of LDM crashes, but it should at least work around the LDM+SSHFS problem in the normal logout case
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<mildeen>
hi, I've tried to install LTSP 5.2 on Debian Squeeze (also Wheezy) with this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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but when I try to connect with a thin client it displays "nfsmount need a path"
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<rjune>
Hey guys.
23:22* vagrantc waves
23:22
<rjune>
Looking for some suggestions on something.
23:23
Let's assume you have access to a stupid powerful box(Dual 8-core E5-2690, 768GB RAM, +30TB drive space) What do you do to show off what it can do?
23:29
Yeah, I pretty much came up blank too
23:30
<awilliams>
wow, I've not seen that nic in some time.
23:30
rjune: How are you man
23:30
rjune: Its mistik1 btw
23:30
<jammcq>
hey
23:31
<awilliams>
hey man
23:31
my inbox is flooding with ltsp, seems there's a hackfest going on :)
23:32
<jammcq>
well... online hackfest
23:32
Mar 11th
23:32
<awilliams>
cool
23:32
wish I could join you guys
23:32
<rjune>
awilliams, yeah, I got that.
23:33
I'm doing ok.
23:33
Getting divorced!
23:33
<jammcq>
wow
23:33
<awilliams>
whoa!
23:34
<rjune>
Is ok.
23:34
Is actually a good thing
23:35
<awilliams>
I understand completely as I am also in divorce proceeding as well
23:36
I feel it for my daughter though.
23:51
<warren>
sadly I have no wife no divorce, I can't join you.
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