IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 June 2012   (all times are UTC)

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05:09
<map7_>
When I try and run ltsp-localapps from the client it tells me I should have ltsp-server installed, should I install this into the chroot?
05:09
It seems wrong
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06:04
<mealstrom>
morning
06:04
*good morining
06:15
ive got thin client (12.04 with nouveau driver) with identical 2 monitors. One monitor have got resolution 1280x1024, second one 1024x768 how to fix second one? (lts.conf http://pastebin.com/KcHLXSr0)
06:30
<alkisg>
Boot the client without any X_* directives in lts.conf, and pastebin the output of `xrandr`
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08:22
<mealstrom>
ok. i do it in next few hours. second question -- ive got ps/2 keyboard and mouse. sometime (once 3 at hours) mouse stuck -- moves but doesnt clicks. when i run modprobe -r usbhid (local xterm) everything goes fine
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09:45
<alkisg>
Nice work stgraber
09:46
!learn alkisg-todo as put LDM_PRINTER_LIST example in lts.conf
09:46
<ltsp`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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10:56
<VectorX>
hi would this card be compatible for the server, coz i seem to be getting compiz errors on onboard intel gfx http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=01G-P3-1521-KR&family=GeForce%20500%20Series%20Family&sw=
10:58
<alkisg>
Putting the proprietary nvidia drivers on the server is bad for the clients
10:58
<VectorX>
well right now its running the intel thing, and the clients get stuck right after boot with the compiz error
10:58
so i thought ill get this card for the server and see, do you recomend something else
10:59
<alkisg>
Then you'd have to replace the client cards
10:59
<VectorX>
they are also in the mobo
10:59
<alkisg>
Do the clients work with compiz disabled?
10:59
<VectorX>
i didnt try that, but i know if the server had a nvidia card the clients have worked fine before with compiz
11:01
<alkisg>
So you mean that overriding the system opengl libraries with the nvidia proprietary blob is good for your clients?
11:01
...you're the first one to report that :)
11:01
<VectorX>
that has worked too, coz it tries to install the drivers right after a new os install and i have completed it
11:02
<alkisg>
OK in general the server graphics card has nothing to do with the clients
11:02
So you might have some misunderstanding there
11:02
<VectorX>
ic
11:02
<alkisg>
It is possible that the nvidia drivers on the server affect your clients, because they override system libraries
11:02
But you can also install them without an nvidia graphics card
11:03
<VectorX>
how do i do that
11:03
im on ubuntu
11:03
<alkisg>
First you need to identify the problem, because I don't think that your server card or drivers is the problem
11:04
<VectorX>
i like that idea
11:04
<alkisg>
I.e. when was it working? With what version? When did it stop working? Etc
11:04
Also, localapps? local compiz? custom scripts? etc
11:05
E.g. it might be as simple as "latest compiz versions don't work in my client graphics cards", which would be totally unrelated to your server and LTSP in general
11:05
<VectorX>
well its a fresh install of ubuntu on newish server, ie old machine used as a ltsp server for the first time
11:05
ver 12.04, before i was using 11 what ever oneric
11:06
so a lot of new stuff
11:06
<alkisg>
Right, so it's possible that the problem is in a driver update or in compiz itself
11:06
When you say "it worked with nvidia on the server", do you mean in 12.04?
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<VectorX>
started to rain, not sure how long i can hold on
11:33
<Hyperbyte>
13:06 <alkisg> When you say "it worked with nvidia on the server", do you mean in 12.04?
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13:32
<lifeboy>
alkisg: You have a sec? I followed you wiki page at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp, but when I run ltsp-config ltsp.conf it says "find: "/opt/ltsp": no usch file or directory
13:32
<alkisg>
lifeboy: do you mean `ltsp-config lts.conf` ?
13:33
<lifeboy>
heh, yes
13:33
typo
13:33
there's nothing in /opt ...
13:33
<alkisg>
And did you run `ltsp-update-image --cleanup /` before that?
13:33
<lifeboy>
no, should I? I says I should when I want to update the image
13:34
so I should do it initially as well I guess
13:34
<alkisg>
"After the initial installation, " ...
13:34
Do you think it needs more clarification? Or you just didn't notice that part?
13:34
<lifeboy>
Ok, I understand, but yes, it needs to be said that it must be run the first time as well
13:35
<alkisg>
OK obviously my english failed me, I though that's what the "After the initial installation, " ... meant. I'll try to make it more obvious.
13:36
<lifeboy>
Cool, no problem! I'm running it now and I see it's creating an image in /opt/ltsp
13:37
Is there a nice way in which to run two ltsp servers in fail-over configuration?
13:37
one being the primary and the second one only serving when the the first is down
13:41
<alkisg>
I think we talked about that before, didn't we?
13:42
I was in favor of using some raid, and having a spare server to put it in if everything fails
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13:45
<lifeboy>
maybe it was with somebody else. I haven't looked into it before, but have now had a problem with a server that was down and it took too long to get it back up
13:46
I can check the #ltsp archives and see what was said and then ask again, ok?
13:47
<alkisg>
Sure, search for user=alkisg and keyword=raid
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13:48
<alkisg>
Ah right it was with "CousinLarry"...
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14:36
<lifeboy>
alkisg: I've got the client's booting, but it seems that they are running almost everything locally and not on the server. I want everything to run on the server: The clients are really thin.
14:36
client's = clients
14:37
<alkisg>
lifeboy: set LTSP_FATCLIENT=false in lts.conf
14:37
<lifeboy>
however, when I enable local_apps=false in lts.conf, they don't boot
14:37
ah
14:38
<alkisg>
But if you only wanted thin, there was no reason to use the ltsp-pnp method
14:38
That's for fat labs, or mixed thin and fat labs
14:38
<lifeboy>
I may want to play with fat clients in future, that's why I picked that
14:39
<alkisg>
OK. You can also enable localapps on a per-app basis.
14:39
<lifeboy>
yes
14:39
thanks, let me try that quickly
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15:00
<lifeboy>
This may or may not be related to the to run no fat client. I now get Gdk-WARNING: gnome-session: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server 192.168.8.201:7.#012
15:01
that ip is the thin client, which has just been running as a fat client and didn't crash
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15:05
<alkisg>
lifeboy: it might be compiz-related problems, I've been hearing a lot of them lately
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15:06
<alkisg>
!gnome-fallback
15:06
<ltsp`>
alkisg: gnome-fallback: To select gnome-fallback as your default session, put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
15:06
<alkisg>
!forget gnome-fallback
15:06
<ltsp`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
15:07
<alkisg>
!learn gnome-fallback as Unity, compiz etc are sometimes slow or buggy. To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
15:07
<ltsp`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
15:07
<alkisg>
!gnome-fallback
15:07
<ltsp`>
alkisg: gnome-fallback: Unity, compiz etc are sometimes slow or buggy. To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
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16:09
<lifeboy>
alkisg: gnome-session-fallback fixed that problem and the clients are now booting correctly. Thanks!
16:10
<alkisg>
np
16:11
<lifeboy>
btw, I see dnsmasq is in proxy mode. Do you know I can set if up that if the primary dhcp server goes down, dnsmasq will start handing out ipaddresses?
16:14
<alkisg>
You mean in fallback mode or by editing the file and restarting dnsmasq?
16:14
If you have big enough range, just split it in half
16:15
E.g. dnsmasq can give x.x.x.20-100 and the other one .101-200
16:15
You don't really care which one answers first
16:15
As long as the ranges don't overlap
16:16
<lifeboy>
I always want my main server to give out addresses, only when it fails, should things go to the backup server
16:16
<alkisg>
That can only be done with isc-dhcp-server in both servers
16:17
It's a special setup that only isc supports
16:17
<lifeboy>
so that they poll each other?
16:17
<alkisg>
Yeah
16:18
<lifeboy>
Is it relatively simple to change over to? Ie, just configure and replace dnsmasq?
16:19
<alkisg>
Something like this: http://www.madboa.com/geek/dhcp-failover/
16:19
...and just comment out the range in dnsmasq
16:19
<lifeboy>
O, I'll have a look. I will have to do something like that soon and then use rsync to sync the user files on both servers.
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<qwebirc24117>
test
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19:18
<sbalneav>
Afternoon all.
19:18
Anyone about? I'm having a hard time with something.
19:18
<alkisg>
Heeey long time no see :)
19:19
How are you Scotty?
19:19
<sbalneav>
Not too bad! I was fooling around just before McQ showed up out at my cottage with the pam auth stuff.
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<sbalneav>
But right now, I'm having a problem with a client.
19:20
<alkisg>
Whoohoo pam auth is in the oven :)
19:20
Shoot
19:20
<sbalneav>
Specifically, it's a laptop I'm trying to get to boot.
19:20
It's got an e1000e ethernet card.
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I've added the module to $CHROOT/etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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updated the kernel
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<sbalneav>
initramfs I mea
19:21
<alkisg>
Ubuntu? Version?
19:21
<sbalneav>
10.04
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laptop boots kernel
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can see the e1000e driver get loaded
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makes it to init-premount
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<sbalneav>
detects USB ports, and kernel panics.
19:22
I've tried both i386 kernels, and amd64 kernels + chroots, same issue either way.
19:23
<ogra_>
valerian ... try valerian to calm it ...
19:23* ogra_ hugs scottie
19:23
<sbalneav>
hey ogra!
19:23
and a wave to vagrant tooP
19:23
too!
19:23
fat fingers
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Any idears?
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I've even put BOOTIF=eth0, and disabled the wlan card in the bios on the machine.
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<ogra_>
not really, but i seem to remember there were issues with e1000, just not sure that was 10.04
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<alkisg>
Try ipappend 3 in pxelinux.cfg/default to skip udhcpc, maybe it'll change something
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: break=init-premount should get you a shell
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<sbalneav>
hm, ok, I can try both of those
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<ogra_>
right, what vagrantc said and then you can debug from the initrd shell
19:25
<knipwim>
sbalneav: scotty! i hear you were hunting bears
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brave
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<sbalneav>
heh
19:25
observing bears. He was running one way, I was walking the other
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I'll try tghe ipappend3 first
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one sec
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<sbalneav>
Hmmm, no go on either.
19:31
OK, I'll try to upgrade this to 12.04. We'll see if that gets it to boot.
19:32* alkisg can't wait to hear what sbalneav has to say about unity, compiz, gnome 3 etc of 12.04 :)
19:33
<sbalneav>
Actually, they fixed a lot of the issues I had with unity. I'm using it at home, fairly comfortably.
19:33
But I heard a rumour they were going to do away with unity-2d. What would ltsp users use, then?
19:34* alkisg is suddenly feeling oooolder... :D nah, I tried it, couldn't get used to it
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<alkisg>
!gnome-fallback
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<ltsp`>
alkisg: gnome-fallback: Unity, compiz etc are sometimes slow or buggy. To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
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<sbalneav>
I'm all for staying with gnome2, but gnome doesn't support it anymore. :( It'll start getting bit-rot.
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<ogra_>
sbalneav, llvmpipe (mesa)
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the same thing that gnome uses in the next release when they drop fallback mode
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: gnome-fallback is gnome 3
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<ogra_>
but yeah, thats not a solution for ltsp
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<sbalneav>
are they going to drop unity-2d?
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<alkisg>
Well there's always lxde, xfce etc, and there are some other gnome-2-like implementations that we could use
19:37
<ogra_>
not in 12.10
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but long term
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<alkisg>
Are they going to switch to mutter?
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<ogra_>
yeah, i would expect either mate or cinnamon to show up in the archive at some point
19:38
mutter ? nah
19:38
90% of unity are compiz plugins
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<alkisg>
Mhm
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<ogra_>
i doubt ubuntu will change the WM within the next years
19:39* alkisg honestly tried using Unity for more than a month, but couldn't get used to it
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<ogra_>
in 12-04 ?
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<sbalneav>
Once I figured out all I need to do is middle click on the icon bar to get a new window, rather than bringing the existing one forward, I was fine.
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<ogra_>
i hated it (only 3D though) with passion until 12.04
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it got into the usable area now
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i still have some issues with the new alt-tab behavior though
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<highvoltage>
omg it's sbalneav
19:43
hello!
19:43
<sbalneav>
hey hey highvoltage
19:43
<highvoltage>
how are things, sbalneav?
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<sbalneav>
Busy, but managing. Don't know if anyone was watching the bzr logs for libpam-sshauth and libnss-ssh, but I've got them into reasonably good shape.
19:45
Stephane and I need to set up a day where we try to hack it into the tree.
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What I'd love to do is play around with it now, get something "roughly" going, then have 3 or 4 of us sit down at BTS and get it "polished" to the point where it could be live in 13.04
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As far as I can tell, getting it integrated shouldn't be much harder than an authclient script.
19:47* ogra_ will likely not come to BTS unless we hold it in europe this time
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<alkisg>
Is it at a point where it works with lightdm and a custom /usr/share/xsessions/launch-remote-x.desktop session?
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<ogra_>
given the UDS is in europe
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<sbalneav>
alkisg: Well, that's what we need to test.
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<highvoltage>
sbalneav: nice!
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<sbalneav>
But the codes well laid out, and both modules have (i think) all the bits necessary to be proper packages (man pages, etc.)
19:49
I know vagrant's got some of his custom guest button stuff in the current ldm. We'll need to figure out how to get a greeter going with lightdm to duplicate what he wants.
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<highvoltage>
what's custom guest button stuff?
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<mgariepy>
alkisg, X_SMART_COLOR_DEPTH what is the purpose of this var ?
19:51
<alkisg>
mgariepy: in 12.04, thins got 16 bit by default, while fats stayed at whatever X defaults to
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X_SMART_COLOR_DEPTH=False reverts to the old behavior, i.e. thins also get the X default
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(may be either 24 or 32 bit)
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<mgariepy>
if I set X_COLOR_DEPTH=24, i would like it to be 24 bit not be overwriten to 16.
19:52
<alkisg>
X_SMART_COLOR_DEPTH only takes effect if X_COLOR_DEPTH is unset
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(or at least, it should)
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<mgariepy>
how ?
19:53
<vagrantc>
LDM_GUESTLOGIN
19:53
or is it LDM_GUEST_LOGIN?
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<sbalneav>
highvoltage: Didn't we have some code in ldm_greeter that had a custom "guest login" button? IIRC vagrantc was using this over at the computer store
19:53
<vagrantc>
kind of like LDM_AUTOLOGIN, but with a button
19:53* ogra_ thinks the first
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<alkisg>
mgariepy: do you set X_COLOR_DEPTH=24 and get 16?
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<mgariepy>
if boolean_is_true "${X_SMART_COLOR_DEPTH:-True}" && ! boolean_is_true "${LTSP_FATCLIENT}"; then
19:53* vagrantc disareappears
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<highvoltage>
sbalneav: I know of the guest login button, just not sure what a custom one is about
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<sbalneav>
But iirc, lightdm allows for html greeters, doesn;t it?
19:54
<ogra_>
webkit, yeah
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<alkisg>
mgariepy: yeah saw it you're right, it needs fixing
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if [ -z "$X_COLOR_DEPTH" ] && all the rest
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<mgariepy>
would be nice to sru it in 12.04,along with LP #1008618
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<alkisg>
!todo-alkisg
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<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "todo-alkisg" is not a valid command.
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<alkisg>
!alkisg-todo
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<ltsp`>
alkisg: alkisg-todo: (#1) /etc/ltsp/nbd-server.allow, or (#2) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#3) review RM_*_SERVICES lists, or (#4) put LDM_PRINTER_LIST example in lts.conf
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<alkisg>
!forget alkisg-todo 1
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<ltsp`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<mgariepy>
alkisg, can we just dump stuff in your list ?
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hehe ;)
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<alkisg>
Hehe :)
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<vagrantc_>
alkisg: that one finished?
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<alkisg>
vagrantc_: yes, but shipping the file needs to wait until nbd-server is fixed
20:02* vagrantc_ will follow up with that tomorrow
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<vagrantc_>
!vagrant-todo
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<ltsp`>
vagrantc_: vagrant-todo: (#1) pxelinux configuration, or (#2) pxemenus, or (#3) ltsp-tool.conf.d, or (#4) kiosk plugin autocreate users, or (#5) ltsp-server: Recommend: ltsp-docs
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<vagrantc_>
!learn vagrant-todo as follow-up on nbd-server.allow bug report on Debian
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<ltsp`>
vagrantc_: The operation succeeded.
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<yanu>
is there a problem with ltsp-update-sshkeys on debian unstable ? I can't login on a terminal and /var/log/ldm.log sais: "Are you sure you want to continue connectieng (yes/no)?"
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offcourse, this all happens in the background
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so i suppose ltsp-update-sshkeys doesn't do his job, and there is no output when running it
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<alkisg>
yanu: do you have the newest ldm in your chroot?
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<yanu>
chroot = squeeze - ldm 2:2.1.2-2
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: it doesn't log keys with IP addresses anymore- LDM 2.2.10 uses hostnames instead of IP addresses.
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<alkisg>
yanu: try LDM_SERVER=server in lts.conf
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: you'll need to configure /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.foo with entries to be appended with ip addresses.
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or that
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<yanu>
on server (unstable) ldm-server 2:2.2.10-1
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<vagrantc_>
the client-side is what matters here.
20:18
<yanu>
can i make a chroot with a sid-environment? it hangs with the kernel
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<vagrantc_>
well, the server/client interaction is that the new version of ltsp-update-sshkeys doesn't add ssh_known_hosts entries for IP addresses.
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<yanu>
indeed , it was empty
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: entirely empty?
20:19
that's a bug.
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<yanu>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 nov 30 2011 ssh_known_hosts.auto
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: so you run ltsp-update-sshkeys and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts is empty?
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<yanu>
no, that line was for the server
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: you could either add valid ssh_known_hosts entries with ip addresses and the corresponding keys to /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.* or try LDM_SERVER=server as alkisg suggested.
20:24
also, i didn't have any problems building a sid/unstable LTSP chroot when i uploaded and tested LDM a few days ago, but unstable is, well... unstable, so changes may have happened since then.
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<alkisg>
Also the ssh_known_hosts.auto date is 2011, doesn't look like it's related to any recent changes
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: i'd recommend trying LDM_SERVER=server
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yanu: in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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<yanu>
indeed, my mistake, ltsp-update-sshkeys updates the keys in the chroot
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<yanu>
hmm, now it sais, "server ssh-dss AAAAB..." , is 'server' correct? doesn't it have to be the name of the ltsp-server 'kloon' of '192.168.0.2' ?
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<alkisg>
No, the clients know the server with the name "server"
20:31
Did you try LDM_SERVER=server in lts.conf?
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<yanu>
ya, it asked me : username: then password: and then password for 'yanu@server'
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then a turning cursor, as gnome would start, then ldm , i'll try to select another session
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asking twice a password, that's only the first time?
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<alkisg>
Hmm maybe the ssh parsing code in that old ldm version chokes the first time on "adding server ssh key to known hosts..."
20:37
Check if it always fails the first time after reboot and succeeds on the second try
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<yanu>
but ssh seems ok now, although no gnome , or other session ... strange
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<alkisg>
No sessions in the preferences menu?
20:39
Or no session succeeds in logging in?
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<yanu>
ya, have to do it twice, after a client-reboot
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<yanu>
damned, i can login, but no session starts, no xfce4, no gnome-classic, ... it starts but xfce4 dies, i'll try another user
20:45
ok, for my wife, it's ok, still that stupid gnome-'blue-screen-off-death' Alt-F4 solves that ;)
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<yanu>
mayba my own changes in .xinitrc does no good ..
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<vagrantc_>
there's an LDM bug about that, actually.
20:46
yanu: yes, you also need to add /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.* files
20:46
there's an ldm bug about the having to enter the password twice thing
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http://bugs.debian.org/542680
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<yanu>
vagrantc_: ya, that the behaviour
20:48
<alkisg>
vagrantc_: I think that's no longer a problem in recent ldm versions though
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<vagrantc_>
alkisg: yeah, i noticed that the other day. yay. another bug to close.
20:50* vagrantc_ should upload an LTSP backport once ltsp 5.4.0 and ldm 2.2.10 hit testing.
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<yanu>
so , i need to get a sid-chroot running to eliminate this 'bug'
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: you might also be able to add LDM_SSHOPTIONS="-o CheckHostIP=no" to lts.conf
20:53
that will not bother with the ip address checking
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<alkisg>
There was a time when LDM_SSHOPTIONS were not honored by ldm... but adding the server's IP to the keys like vagrantc said should bypass the problem
20:56
<yanu>
ok , only one time that a password is asked now
20:56
<vagrantc_>
if that version does honor LDM_SSHOPTIONS though, that's easier than setting the keys.
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<yanu>
do i understand this correctly?
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or i use the ldm-option : LDM_SSHOPTIONS="-o CheckHostIP=no"
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or i copy the chroot-keys to /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.auto ?
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ok, i'm glad, after 2 days, my family can 'waste' their time on the clients ;)
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vagrantc_ and alkisg: thx you for the quick help!
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<Guest99846>
Hi All, I have installed LTSP using the Alternative 10.04 disk. I used two nics, the internet facing nic going directly to a router. I set this up at home and all worked. In using it at its final resting place I have no Internet access
22:04
Network tools shows a loopback interface an eth0 at 192.168.22.1 and an eth1 interface at 0.0.0.0. The router in question is on the otherside of a switch and IS NOT the same router anyway as as
22:04
used during the initial set up
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So the questions are, how is the Internet access set up by the system during installation and
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is it possible to configure the system for the new circumstances i.e. router. I can find very little written about this but you may know something different
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Any thoughts and by the way the first client that logged in today had an ip adddress of 192.168.22.23 which I was expecting.
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<Hyperbyte>
Guest99846, I have no idea about internet access setup during installation, but naturally you can change this later via the networkmanager settings in the Gnome menu
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As for a new network setup, if you have to change the IP address, be sure to
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!update-sshkeys
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<ltsp`>
Hyperbyte: I do not know about 'update-sshkeys', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-update-sshkeys'
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<Hyperbyte>
!ltsp-update-sshkeys
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<ltsp`>
Hyperbyte: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
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<Hyperbyte>
If you have more specific questions that'd be helpful.
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<Guest99846>
OK I'll try. Bearing in mind that no ip addresses are entered at install then I presume that Ubuntu is using some standard ip parameters for the client side of this.
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However what IP does it use for the Internet side of things and where does it get this from ?
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Does it simply just use the IP address of the router ? In which case I go in and change it on the interface. Is this it ?
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<Hyperbyte>
I have no idea how it configures it by default - but you know you get to decide this, right?
22:19
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-networking-configuration-using-graphical-tool.html
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<Guest99846>
Apologies for the delay. If I remember correctly the Alternate CD install does not ask for specific information and I don't think I was asked to decide this, I may be wrong but I've looked
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at the quick install notes and can find no reference to it
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<FrozenZia>
Guest99846: I think I know exactly what you're trying to ask, but unfortunately I don't have the right answer. I was just trying to do the dual nic install myself, but my2nd nic wasn't recognized during setup (it's a "fake" nic in the form of a usb-tethered android phone with mobile internet access),
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and so now I have an installed system, but a huge "now what?" question that I'm having a hard time figuring out the answer to.
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Basically all the settings that you're wondering about, I'm wondering about, 'cuz I'm gonna have to go do my settings by hand from scratch.
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<Guest99846>
I work on the basis that if I know how something works I can fix it or mod it. Unless I can do that I like you am lost.
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<FrozenZia>
If you hang in there, I'm sure someone will be along who'll be able to help. Myself I gotta call it a night and crash.
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<Guest99846>
I have looked for many hours for the answer to this. I have not gone in and played around because I was not certain about what I needed to play with
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<FrozenZia>
This is a posting I
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have looked at some, but it's really old:
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http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599166&highlight=ltsp
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<Guest99846>
Much obliged to you. Go and get some sleep. Regards
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<vagrantc_>
FrozenZia: hey!
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