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Channel log from 5 April 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<Bhaskar>
USB printer support ot not in k12ltsp in FC5 ? I have trying from 7days but not get success to set up Canon 2900 LBP USB printer?? Pls help me
00:19
ogra, can u help me?
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<Bhaskar>
gonzaloaf_laptop, can u help me?
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<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Bhaskar, it depends on what kind of help you need, just ask your question
00:35
<Lumiere>
does LTSP do USB printers?
00:35
<Bhaskar>
gonzaloaf_laptop, USB printer support ot not in k12ltsp in FC5 ? I have trying from 7days but not get success to set up Canon 2900 LBP USB printer?? Pls help me
00:35
<Lumiere>
Bhaskar: do you have any parallel printers?
00:36
<Bhaskar>
Lumiere, ya
00:36
Lumiere, i am trying USB printer but not getting success
00:37
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Bhaskar, I'm sorry I just use ltsp 4.2 in Ubuntu and never tried printer support
00:37
Bhaskar, have you checked the linuxprinting web page?
00:37
<Bhaskar>
ya
00:37
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Bhaskar, is there a driver?
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<Bhaskar>
ya, i have install driver
00:38
but not support USB printer
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<Bhaskar>
gonzaloaf_laptop, i got success on printer
02:05
gonzaloaf_laptop, now can u help me about sound?
02:05
gonzaloaf_laptop, sound card is detected but not play why?
02:06
dem, are u there?
02:11
Anybody is there? I need help on sound problem?? in k12ltsp
02:15
vanya, are u there?
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<vanya>
I am here, but I can't help
02:16
if someone can - he will
02:17
<Bhaskar>
vanya, ok
02:18
gonzaloaf_work, can u help me ?
02:18
<vanya>
you can also try to ask this is mail list
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<Bhaskar>
ogra, are u there? can u help me about sound setup?
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<Bhaskar>
parsley, hello
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<Bhaskar>
Anyone can help me about sound on K12ltsp
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<FuL|OUT>
back
06:32
finally seems to work better now
06:32
still got a few issues
06:32
some apps doesn't start
06:32
:|
06:32
namely firefox
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<FuL|OUT>
how can we change the keyboard layout on the thin clients?
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<vanya>
what is the minimal memory requirement without using swap to use two X terminals on LTSP client? Doesn't 60 MB sufficient for this?..
07:13
looks like 60 MB is not sufficient for two X sessions
07:13
client crashes after some time..
07:15
<rjune>
memory in the terminal or memory in the server?
07:16
<vanya>
in the terminal ofcourse
07:17
<rjune>
128 would be my guess
07:19
<vanya>
Xnest from X works good for my purposes
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<mistik1>
hey rjune
07:47
Can you guys show me an example of getting PWD with C?
07:48
I'm not sure i'm reading right, cause it seems a lot of steps for something so simple
08:02
<cliebow>
where is Scott when you need him?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:18
<mistik1>
and there he is ;-)
08:18
WoW
08:18
<cliebow>
He heard the call....
08:19
<mistik1>
cliebow: did you call him on the cell or something ? ;)
08:19
<cliebow>
no..
08:19
<sbalneav>
When I'm not swamped, I'm punctual. :)
08:19
So, what's shakin?
08:19
<mistik1>
heh
08:19
<cliebow>
but i concentrated REAL hard
08:20
<mistik1>
I am having difficulty finding out a simple way to get my cwd in C so I can define a default dir in my little program
08:21
<sbalneav>
ummmm, hold on...
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getcwd()
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#include <unistd.h>
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char *getcwd(char *buf, size_t size);
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So:
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char cwdbuf[PATH_MAX];
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getcwd(cwdbuf, PATH_MAX);
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cwdbuf now contains your cwd!
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Et, voila!
08:24
<mistik1>
coool
08:24
<sbalneav>
You'll want to use PATH_MAX, as that's a macro for the longest valid pathname in Linux
08:25
<mistik1>
You know, I can do a bit a mucking around with C but I dont totally GET it yet
08:26
Thanks again Scott
08:26
<FuL|OUT>
can't seem to get firefox start on a thin client
08:26
:|
08:29
<sbalneav>
FuL|OUT: Care to perhaps elaborate on that, with, say, errors encountered, behavior seen, setup information, etc etc. You know, useful information that will allow us to help you solve your problem? :)
08:30
<FuL|OUT>
eheh
08:30
well openoffice and mozilla doesn't seem to start
08:30
on a thin client
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<FuL|OUT>
koffice works and konqueror
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which is weird
08:30
i'm trying to figure it out myself
08:30
:)
08:34
<mistik1>
sbalneav: Lets say i'm processing some commandline opts with getopt() and then setting a default dir if an option was not passed...
08:34
<sbalneav>
First question: is this going to be a daemon?
08:34
<mistik1>
I therefore already had my pointer setup as char dest
08:35
no
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<sbalneav>
ok
08:35
<mistik1>
What i'm asking is if I could then just write it like this
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getcwd(dest, PATH_MAX);
08:35
I had char dest setup already in this function
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<sbalneav>
Well, the call's correct. Question is, how was dest declared?
08:37
<mistik1>
All i'm doing is if I dont get a -d <dirname> option then I just use CWD as dirname
08:37
I had setup a bunch of them before I started my getopt
08:37
<sbalneav>
Can you paste the section we're dealing with to the pastebot?
08:37
<mistik1>
char *dest, *workdir, *binstr;
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<sbalneav>
Ah
08:38
char *dest only gives you a POINTER to a character.
08:38
No space has actually been allocated to STORE anything yet.
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So, if you want to do a char pointer, you'll need something like:
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char *dest
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dest = malloc(PATH_MAX);
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if (!dest) {
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/* your malloc failed due to out-of-memory, handle this somehow */
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}
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getcwd(dest, PATH_MAX);
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<mistik1>
hmm
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<sbalneav>
char *something is a pointer to a memory area of chars.
08:40
<mistik1>
I think I better do that paste
08:41
<sbalneav>
char something[number] results in the same thing (something's a pointer to chars), but it will automatically allocate number characters of memory.
08:42
<ltsppbot>
"mistik1" pasted "mockery of C" (38 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/81
08:43
<mistik1>
That is not the complete thing of course but this is the part I most need help with
08:44
btw, I think every c book or tutorial i've ever seen totally sucks based on one thing, the use of incomprehensible pointer names like c
08:44
<sbalneav>
heh
08:44
<mistik1>
I can never understand wth is going on
08:45
<sbalneav>
There is one, and ONLY one thing you need to remember when dealing with C.
08:45
<mistik1>
This is why after all these years it just dont register in my brain
08:45
<sbalneav>
And that is: your but one very, VERY tiny step away from programming in assembler.
08:46
<mistik1>
does that mean it inherently confounded?
08:47
<sbalneav>
C's inherently dangerous. That's why we have so many security problems/buffer overflows in OS's. They're written in C.
08:47
And C has no coupling between the memory you want to address, and the pointer you're going to address it with.
08:47
The example you've got there looks fine...
08:48
Let me add in what I think you're trying to do...
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<mistik1>
ok
08:51
<cliebow>
God he is good...
08:52
How odes he make his voice DO that
08:54
<ltsppbot>
"sbalneav" pasted "Altius, Citius, Fortius" (53 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/82
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<sbalneav>
mistik1: Have a look at that.
08:55
Whoops, missed a )
08:55
line should read:
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if (!(dest = malloc(PATH_MAX))) { /* malloc failed */
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<sbalneav>
That sort of make it clear?
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<mistik1>
sbalneav: that's perfect
08:58
<sbalneav>
Set the pointers to null on creation
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Then after you've passed parsing command line options, anything that's STILL null, hasn't been set,
08:58
so, set 'em up at that point.
08:59
keep in mind: you must EXPLICITLY set the pointers to null if you want to GUARENTEE they're null.
08:59
<SBNet>
anyone know where i can get a pxe boot disk that can install to the harddrive and not show a menu, it just does a straight boot
08:59
<sbalneav>
SOME compilers automatically null out variables when created.
09:00
<mistik1>
what is a safe way to set them null on creation?
09:00
<sbalneav>
SOME compilers just let whatever random garbage happens to be in memory at that point sit there. In the C standard, it's left up to the compiler writer to define what's in an uninitialized variable.
09:00
Just like I did.
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char *foo = NULL;
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<mistik1>
cool
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<sbalneav>
If you're going to creat the variable, and the first thing you're going to do to it is an assignment, like:
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char *foo;
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foo = malloc(...);
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then you don't have to worry about doing it, because it will get assigned a value from the malloc.
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in THIS case, it's possible that the first operation done on the variable MAY be a test [ if (!dest) ]
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so, we want to make sure this variable's in a known state.
09:02
SBNet: I know where you can get an ETHERBOOT image that does that.
09:03
rom-o-matic.net
09:03
PXE's propriatary, and is only supplied by card manufacturers.
09:03
Workping, need to install a printer.
09:03
I'll be back in a bit....
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<SBNet>
i have the etherbot image, but it gives a pretty little menu, i'd like for the users to never see a menu
09:07
and if pxe is propriatary, what can i use that will support all my pcs to boot ltsp?
09:43
<sbalneav>
SBNet: It shouldn't give a menu if you just download the one you need for the specific nic you're supporting, I beleive.
09:43
SBNet: PXE's fine, it's usually installed on the card. The point is that it can't be DOWNLOADED from somewhere, it's included by card manufacturers.
09:47
<cliebow>
just ask local or network
09:50
<SBNet>
well my issue is that some of my DELL! <- crap computers don't have a boot up option to boot from network, but if i put in an etherboot cd they boot to the network fine. i also need someway to do that with a broadcom 440x card
09:51
<cliebow>
broadcom are not very friendly
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<SBNet>
don't have a choice, that's what dell puts in their computers and you can't change that
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<SBNet>
anyone know of a boot disk that can handle the broadcom 440x?
09:57
i have heard where they are pxe compatible and people have had them boot from a network, but dell tells me that mine can't
09:58
<vagrantc>
!bootfloppy
09:58
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
09:58
<vagrantc>
SBNet: try that
09:58
i don't know that it works, but it works for most pci network cards
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<SBNet>
etherboots wont
09:59
it has some broadcom compatibility, but not all
10:02
<sbalneav>
These are PCI cards?
10:02
How many of them do you have?
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<SBNet>
they are all onboard and about 150
10:04
lol :)
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<pscheie>
morning all
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<cliebow>
petre!
10:58
<pscheie>
hey cliebow
10:58
<cliebow>
howdy..how goes the battle..
10:58
<pscheie>
winning some, losing some
10:59
talked to a elem school last week about putting ltsp in each classroom
10:59
but they've got other bigger crises to deal with first
10:59
<cliebow>
ive been experimenting with feisty a lot..
11:00
pscheie:i m not even sure i can hold my linux lab with the budget as it is..classroom space
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<pscheie>
otoh, at my son's school, they're putting ltsp servers and clients in each classroom
11:00
finally
11:00
I gave them all the clients (laptops) in Dec.
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<cliebow>
really..not one for the whole building then?
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<pscheie>
hold on...
11:07
okay, I'm back (had a visitor)
11:08
we're using one server per classroom
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<cliebow>
seems like a lot of admin
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<pscheie>
like daniel howard & william fragakis did in atlanta
11:08
well, they're pretty self-contained
11:08
using autologin
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one server for a whole grade might come down the road
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but conceptually it's easier for the principal, teachers, admins to understand
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<paavum>
Hello
11:09
I just downloaded ltsp5, configured everything
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<pscheie>
they can consolidate servers when they understand the whole process better
11:09
<cliebow>
i see..i run all my terms in the high school from one box
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<paavum>
and I get the ubuntu login screen
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<pscheie>
how many clients?
11:10
<paavum>
however when I try to log in, I just get dumped back to the login screen again
11:10
<cliebow>
100 but never more than 40 at a time
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<pscheie>
each classroom is supposed to try to get to 9 clients, tho' they're starting with 4 or 5
11:10
<cliebow>
paavum, perhaps ltsp-updatesshkeys might help
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<pscheie>
physical space becomes an issue
11:11
<paavum>
already did that
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<cliebow>
that is great..running ubuntu?
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<pscheie>
eventually, I'd like to get them to a 2:1 or even 1:1 ratio in each classroom
11:11
class size = ~27 students
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so one server for a whole grade is a lot of eggs in one basket
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<cliebow>
good idea to use laptops though..they pxeboot?
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ive been threatening to use ibooks
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<pscheie>
although that's what jim kinney has been doing for Atlanta pub schools
11:12
yes, pxeboot
11:12
had to use Gadi's sound package to get sound to work
11:13
I got a power meter yesterday, ran a laptop for 8 hours
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used 0.13 kilowatt hours for that time
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<cliebow>
is that good?sounds like it
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<pscheie>
haven't calculated the electricity cost of that yet, though
11:14
well, when I'd select that wattage view it was bouncing between 15 and 24 watts
11:14
laptop has no hard drive, so that helps
11:14
I took the hard drive out of all the laptops for just that reason
11:14
and to reduce the noise
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One of the local community colleges has 50 pallets of old desktops they want to donate to elem. schools
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<paavum>
ok just did ltsp-update-sshkeys and no luck
11:15
:(
11:16
I'm running on FC5
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<pscheie>
so, I just have to find a school that has money for just the servers
11:16
I can provide everytying else
11:16
got an extra 15 laptops in my basement left over from my son's school
11:17
<paavum>
I still cant login to my ltsp server :(
11:18
<cliebow>
there is a homedir for the users?
11:18
<paavum>
yeah... /home
11:18
<cliebow>
and the prems look ok?
11:18
<paavum>
well I'm trying to login as root
11:18
<pscheie>
paavum: anything in the server's /var/log/messages?
11:18
<paavum>
so there should be no probs
11:19
<pscheie>
root may not be able to login remotely
11:19
<paavum>
Apr 5 11:14:47 ltsp2 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.99.200 to 00:0c:29:58:b5:1f via eth0
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Apr 5 11:14:48 ltsp2 mountd[2823]: authenticated mount request from ws200.ltsp:930 for /opt/ltsp/ubuntu_6.10_i386 (/opt/ltsp)
11:19
<SBNet>
root is disabled by default in ltsp
11:19
you can't remote login with root
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<pscheie>
on fc6/k12ltsp6 (and 5) root can't login remotely by default
11:19
<paavum>
just tried with another user and same thing
11:20
<cliebow>
so you are using fc5 with the ubuntu chroot..
11:20
<paavum>
yes sir
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<SBNet>
try logging in locally on the ltsp server if you can login there, then any normal user can login using ltsp except root
11:20
<cliebow>
and using ldm instead of xdmcp?
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<paavum>
in my .xsession-errors
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in my homedir I see this
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directory
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. /etc/X11/Xsession: line 41: exec: /usr/bin/xsm: cannot execute: No such file or
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. /etc/X11/Xsession: line 41: /usr/bin/xsm: No such file or directory
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<cliebow>
paavum, not sure..you might try to put in an lts.conf SCREEN_07=startx and enable xdmcp on your server..
11:26
<vagrantc>
this cross-distro LDM stuff seems prone to problems.
11:26
<cliebow>
vagrantc, think that is the problem?
11:27
<ogra>
vagrantc, initially we used to call gnome-session directly ...
11:27
<vagrantc>
paavum: i'm guessing /etc/X11/Xsession exists?
11:27
<cliebow>
paavum, you have the attention of the big guns..
11:27
<vagrantc>
ogra: originally, it was calling GDM's equivalent of Xsession
11:27
<paavum>
Ok, it seems like I had a problem while updating to FC5
11:28
I was missing some packages
11:28
<cliebow>
and...it woiks?
11:28
<vagrantc>
calling gnome-session directly doesn't run a lot of default hooks
11:28
<paavum>
uuuuhhh kinda now my mouse is freaking out
11:28
<ogra>
vagrantc, breezy called /usr/bin/gnome-session in ubuntu
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<vagrantc>
ogra: hmmm... i remember convincing mdz to switch from /etc/gdm/Xsession to /etc/X11/Xsession ...
11:30
<bricode>
Anyone know where I can find a reference on PXE booting using VMware or QEMU to test LTSP?
11:30
<ogra>
hmm
11:31
<paavum>
vagrantc ... yes,
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bricode ... i'm using Vmware
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even more
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<bricode>
paavum: the VMWare server, or just the player? Do you use a boot disk image to boot it then do PXE?
11:33
<paavum>
I'm using Xwin32 + VPN to run a VMWare on a machine in the LAN of the ltsp server
11:33
<cliebow>
ogra:suppose all these updates are breaking bcm43xx?
11:33
<paavum>
bricode ... it natively supports pxe, so no need for diskette
11:34
and I'm using server server
11:34
<ogra>
cliebow, not if your firmware is in the right place
11:34
<vagrantc>
ogra: i stand corrected, it was originally x-session-manager
11:34
<ogra>
ah, right
11:34
which was a link to gnome-session in ubuntu
11:35
<vagrantc>
right
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<paavum>
cliebow why u ask?
11:35
ack
11:35
bricode, not cliebow
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<bricode>
Well, I'll be on a plane to Brazil in 10 hours, and I'd like to do some dev work while I'm in the air.
11:36
Can't exactly whip out a thin client on the plane.
11:36
<paavum>
lol, it works wonders
11:36
sometimes even better than the thin clients themselves :S
11:36
<bricode>
Thin clients can be moody.
11:37
<paavum>
specially if ure using OLD computers
11:37
Pentium I and II
11:37
I have a question... I have a running ltsp installation (i'm trying to change servers)
11:37
and one of the machines runs sluggish
11:38
I've tried adding more RAM to the client, but I think its useless
11:38
could it be my server that getting overloaded?
11:38
its a P-IV of 1.6Ghz serving 1gig ram serving 4 old ws
11:39
all they run is firefox
11:39
<SBNet>
how many clients?
11:39
<paavum>
about 4 or 5
11:40
<SBNet>
basically for every ten clients you'll need 512mb of ram, and the machine will need a base line of 256 ram, so 10 users will need 768
11:40
<paavum>
and processing power?
11:40
<ogra>
if you use something like blackbox or xfce :)
11:40
<SBNet>
anything above 1ghz
11:40
<paavum>
I'm using KDE
11:41
<ogra>
if you use a decent desktop rather take 128M per client
11:41
<SBNet>
processor isn't a big concern since the clients use their own processor
11:41
<ogra>
thats not true
11:41
all desktop stuff runs on the server
11:41
<SBNet>
if you have a 1.6ghz processor, your set for 10 users
11:41
<paavum>
vagrantc ... Xsession does NOT exist
11:42
<ogra>
so the CPU size really depends on the apps you run
11:42
<bricode>
ogra: That reminds me, that Workstation plugin seemed to work with Feisty.... at least the installation part. Haven't had a chance to play with it yet.
11:42
<SBNet>
well, if your only running word processors and firefox then you only need 1ghz or more
11:42
<ogra>
bricode, it works just fine, but you need a lot of manual fiddling for the ldap auth ...
11:43
SBNet, if every user has ten tabs with flash animations open your server will die
11:43
<bricode>
ogra: Yeah. I usually just add a few users for an internet cafe type setup.
11:43
<ogra>
(for 10 terminals)
11:43
<SBNet>
i'm working on getting my server to authenticate with ADS now so users can login with their normal windows user/pass
11:43
<ogra>
it really really depends on the apps the users use on the desktop
11:44
<SBNet>
well, what are the odds that 10 people will be connected and all will have a ton of tabs all running flash, in my case slim to none
11:44
my ltsp server is a dell server with 2 dualcore xeon 2.4ghz processors with 4gb ram and 2 120sata drives in raid 1
11:44
i'm good for users and horse power
11:45
!bootdisk
11:45
<ltspbot>
SBNet: Error: "bootdisk" is not a valid command.
11:45
<SBNet>
!bootfloppy
11:45
<ltspbot>
SBNet: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
11:45
<vagrantc>
paavum: if /etc/X11/Xsession doesn't exist on your server ... set LDM_REMOTECMD=xterm in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
11:45
<ogra>
well, let them all 10 run openoffice ... a 1.6Ghz CPU wont cope
11:45
<bricode>
Can someone alias !bootdisk to !bootfloppy?
11:45
<vagrantc>
bricode: there's no aliases.
11:46
bricode: you can copy it to two places
11:46
<paavum>
Does anybody know if K12ltsp is running ltsp 4.2 or 5/
11:46
<vagrantc>
4.2
11:46
<SBNet>
that's true but i'd figure if your planning on having 10 users, then you should have 2ghz, my look is for every 5 users add a 1 ghz
11:46
<sbalneav>
Hey ogra!
11:46
<bricode>
vagrantc: Okay, fair enough. Copying would work.
11:46
<SBNet>
if you have more than 10, add a processor or core
11:46
<sbalneav>
ogra: Did LaserJock tell you we added a section to the manual on the second CD?
11:46
<vagrantc>
bricode: you have to talk to ltspbot ... "ltspbot: learn FOO as BAR"
11:47
<SBNet>
ltspbot: are you human?
11:47
<ltspbot>
SBNet: Error: "are" is not a valid command.
11:47
<SBNet>
lol
11:47
ltspbot is a very dumb bot!
11:47
<ltspbot>
SBNet: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
11:47
<SBNet>
lol
11:47
<sbalneav>
Dumb? Look who's amusing themselves poking it.
11:48
<SBNet>
lol
11:48
<paavum>
ltspbot learn paavum as god
11:48
<ltspbot>
paavum: The operation succeeded.
11:48
<paavum>
woohooo
11:48
!paavum
11:48
<ltspbot>
paavum: "paavum" is god
11:48
<paavum>
he's not that dumb
11:49
<SBNet>
lol
11:49
be back in a few got a meeting
11:49
<ogra>
sbalneav, yes, he told me
11:49
<bricode>
paavum: But a little more humble :)
11:49
<ogra>
sbalneav, i havent had time to look at it yet, i only uploaded what he sent me
11:49
<paavum>
lol
11:50
<sbalneav>
It's nice we've got SOMETHING in there now. We'll make it much better next time, but it's way better than nothing, which is what we had last time ;)
11:50
<ogra>
the last three times :)
11:51
<paavum>
Why hasnt there been a tarball for Fedora?
11:51
I remember reading something in the wiki
11:51
but cant remember
11:51
<ogra>
you mean for ltsp5 ?
11:52
<paavum>
yeah
11:52
<ogra>
because nobody implemented it in fedora yet
11:52
<paavum>
Ok, anybody up to helping me get it running w/o the tarball? :P
11:52
vagrantc ... just did and nothing happens
11:53
<ogra>
you dont see an xterm after login ?
11:53
<paavum>
nope
11:53
<vagrantc>
paavum: oh, if you're running ltsp 4.2, then you're ot running LDM ... sorry for not being helpful
11:53
<paavum>
I log in and see the same damned screen
11:53* paavum is on ltsp 5
11:53
<paavum>
tarball ubuntu tarball
11:53
<ogra>
the user can ssh to the server ?
11:54
<paavum>
yes
11:54
<ogra>
abd you ran ltsp-update-sshkeys ?
11:54
*and
11:54
<paavum>
yes
11:54
<vagrantc>
see y'all later. good luck paavum.
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<paavum>
vagrantc :( thnx
11:54
<ogra>
anything helpful in ~/.xsession-errors of that user ?
11:54
<paavum>
iceauth: creating new authority file /home/david/.ICEauthority
11:54
X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
11:55
<ogra>
is xterm available in your path ?
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<paavum>
seems so
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<ogra>
weird
11:56
<paavum>
just to be on the safe side
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<paavum>
I'll put the whole path toit
11:56
<ogra>
should work without that, but try it
11:57
<paavum>
give me a sec... i'm having a hard time with my xwin32 demo
11:57
<ogra>
you are running all that in a vm ?
11:57
<paavum>
actually its like this
11:58
the VM is on a remote server (which is physically on the same lan as the ltsp server)
11:58
I am at my place...
11:58
so I connect to the VM via xwin32
11:58
and get it up
11:58
then VMware does its thing and I kin test from me place
11:59
:D
11:59
I only wish I could run ltsp via a VPN
11:59
<ogra>
patches accepted ;)
11:59
<paavum>
directly
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<ogra>
should be no problem with some initramfs hacking
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12:02
<paavum>
I DID try to do it
12:02
but I got stuck when my VPN wouldn't give me an IP for my VM
12:02
<ogra>
can you remove the .xsession-erros file and check it ghets recreadted (or make sure the timestamp actually matches your lats login try)
12:03
<paavum>
ko... just give me two mins
12:03
please
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<paavum>
ok
12:05
booting
12:06
setting up client...
12:06
login screen
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logging in...
12:07
<cliebow>
WOOT! broadcom works again
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<paavum>
its doesnt get created
12:08
I think it was for the xterm thingy
12:10
it doesnt get created
12:10
no .xsession
12:10
no .xsession-errors
12:12
<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "include /etc/ldap/schema/core." (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/85
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<paavum>
whats that supposed to be
12:20
<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "# $OpenLDAP: pkg/ldap/librarie" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/87
12:20
<cliebow>
goes with this
12:23
<paavum>
Ok just got my stuff working
12:23
all I needed to put was LDM_REMOTECMD=/usr/bin/startkde
12:24
<cliebow>
ohhh..Cool..where did you get that fix??
12:24
<paavum>
was trial and errpr
12:24
since it isnt working the nice way
12:25
and I ONLY installed KDE (not GNOME) I decided to try and use kde's things
12:25
<cliebow>
that should be on the wiki..or soewhere
12:25
<paavum>
should I post it?
12:25
<cliebow>
so you used an environment variable?
12:26
i dont know just where to put it..have to ask jammcq
12:26
<paavum>
and he aint here
12:26
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting#Launching_X_to_give_a_graphical
12:26
I guess it could go there, right?
12:26
<cliebow>
ill paste thata into something if you can give a little paragraph describing prob and resolution..so i dont botch it pu
12:27
sure
12:27
cliebow_:ping
12:28
weird..the other me seems to have dropped connection
12:28
figures....
12:29
<SBNet>
hey, i'm back
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<paavum>
there just put it up there
12:29
<SBNet>
cliebow: what about broadcom works again?
12:29
<cliebow>
ibook wireless
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<SBNet>
oh ok
12:30
<cliebow>
works...sort of
12:30
<paavum>
ok... my second contribution to ltsp
12:30
:D:D:D:D
12:30
<SBNet>
i was hoping you found a bootdisk that would boot broadcom nics
12:30
<cliebow>
cliebow_:ahh there you are..been meaning to talk to you
12:30
<SBNet>
is there an alternative to pxe boot that can work with any nic card?
12:31
<cliebow>
etherboot..for most cards
12:31
<paavum>
universal boot thingy>
12:31
?
12:31
<pscheie>
but etherboot doesn't support wireless...yet
12:31
<SBNet>
etherboot doesn't work with broadcom 440x unfortunately which is what all my dells have onboard
12:31
<pscheie>
nor pcmcia cards
12:31
<paavum>
SBNet... Although etherboot is migrating into PXE .... www.rom-o-matic.net
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<SBNet>
i think i checked there and still didn't find one that would work with a broadcom 440x onboard nic
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<paavum>
there is a universal boot loader thingy
12:33
at sourcefourge
12:33
<cliebow>
broadcom is not forthcoming with info on its products
12:33
<paavum>
I think you can get to it via K12ltsp
12:33
<cliebow>
1bootfloppy
12:33
!bootfloppy
12:33
<ltspbot>
cliebow: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
12:33
<SBNet>
i've got that universal floppy up checking on it now
12:34
<paavum>
that was it
12:34
\!paavum
12:34
!paavum
12:34
<ltspbot>
paavum: "paavum" is god
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<paavum>
Thankyou ltspbot
12:34
<cliebow>
pastebot:welcome
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<SBNet>
i would get realtek if it was me, they usually work fine, dell gx50's come with an onboard 3com, figure that out!
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<SBNet>
i found a network boot disk that will boot up any computer and turn the network card on, including broadcom 440x, could there be a way to mesh etherboot and this bootdisk?
12:41
<paavum>
SBNet... is this the universal boot thingy?
12:42
I *THINK that would pass as etherboot
12:42
<SBNet>
umm no, a workstudy found it at www.netbootdisk.com
12:42
it boots the computer to a DOS prompt where you can then mount network locations and move files around, doesn't do ltsp booting
12:43
<paavum>
http://www.netbootdisk.com/pxeboot.htm
12:43
:P
12:45
<cliebow__>
doesnt etherboot also come as a .com file executable from dos?
12:45
<SBNet>
i didn't find it, he did, made the floppy then used nero to copy it from floppy to cd and it only booted to dos
12:47
don't know if that pxe option is for just loading that bootdisk or for actually loading a remote os using terminals
12:48
<cliebow__>
http://etherboot.org/wiki/lilowithetherboot?DokuWiki=235f426f03730b327349532bd1ecab1c
12:48
might be something
12:48
or not
12:50
<SBNet>
netbookdisk - pxe wasn't it, only said you can boot that bootdisk using pxe
12:54
has anyone used netboot?
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<Burgwork>
does anybody know a vendor that sells preinstalled Linux on a usb key for a reasonable price/
12:56
?
12:56
<SBNet>
you can get slax free and buy a usb drive
12:57
<Burgwork>
yes, but my boss says "must be supported"
12:59
<cliebow__>
whatever that means 8~)
12:59
<Burgwork>
ya, tell me about it
12:59
I don't make up these silly requirements
13:02
<SBNet>
what qualifies as must be supported
13:05
<paavum>
Burgwork ... so you tell your boss... well we're here arent we? We can support it :P
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<Burgwork>
heh
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<SBNet>
heh, teledata supports your own personal network drivers, i may have found my new boot disk
13:13
<paavum>
what is teledata?
13:14
<SBNet>
a company that puts out a bootdisk that allows you to add your own drivers as well as unattended network installs and stuff
13:14
http://tdonline.com/bootdisk.htm
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13:39
<SBNet>
does etherboot have the ability to load dos network drivers?
13:40
<jammcq>
no
13:41
<SBNet>
know of a netboot disk that will boot my ltsp clients that can use dos or ndis drivers?
13:41
<jammcq>
"netboot" can use ndis drivers
13:41
but not "etherboot"
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<SBNet>
well, this is an onboard nic, i need to boot the computer from a cd or the local harddrive so it loads up the ltsp system. like a pxe boot, but broadcom 440x doesn't have pxeboot so my standard pxe boot cd's don't work
13:43
if i can give it my dos driver for that and it load that driver then boot and load the ltsp image and boot the ltsp client i'd be happy
13:43
<jammcq>
umm, I thought there was an etherboot module for the broadcoms
13:43
check #etherboot for info on that
13:44
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
jammcq: hi there
13:44
<SBNet>
i've got the linux c and header files for it from broadcom
13:44
so i should be able to compile them into an etherboot cd?
13:47
<jammcq>
SBNet: NO
13:47
it's no where that easy
13:47
<SBNet>
ok just asking sorry
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<lui1>
Hello! I have ltsp 4.1 with 8 terminals 486 with 16 mb ram , 1 server semprom 2.8 with 1gb ram and madriva 2007. Will this system run better over ltsp 5?
14:16
<pscheie>
lui1: I'm no authority, but I would say no
14:16
<cliebow>
lui1, no..havnt memory enough inj the terms
14:16
<pscheie>
LTSP 5 incorporates encryption of the X session between the clients and server
14:17
486s will have a hard time with that on the client end
14:18
<lui1>
Ok, The other question is "where can i find docs about ltsp "?
14:18
5
14:19
<pscheie>
www.ltsp.org
14:19
see the wiki
14:21
<lui1>
Thank!
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<cliebow>
sbalneav:got ldapfs parked somewhere?
14:39
<sbalneav>
Sure do, I beleive
14:39
Need a copy?
14:40
<Burgwork>
ldapfs?
14:40
<cliebow>
yeah..fuse.org somewhere?
14:40
<jammcq>
sbalneav: you getting any snow?
14:40
<cliebow>
a foot here
14:41
<sbalneav>
No, no snow here
14:41
cold tho'
14:41
-11 C
14:41
cliebow: where you want me to email it to?
14:41
<Burgwork>
+14 C and sunny today :)
14:41
and I live in Canada
14:42
<cliebow>
cliebow@ltsp.org?
14:42
<sbalneav>
k
14:42
<rjune>
30F and windy here
14:43
<sbalneav>
Sent
14:43
<cliebow>
Cool!
14:43
<SBNet>
dang sbalneav you're COLD!!!
14:44
he he, only 61 F here
14:44
yesterday it was 85F
14:44
<sbalneav>
Yeah, got a cold snap here on the prairies.
14:46
<SBNet>
etherboot doesn't support any broadcom 440x cards, but they support others. I'm talking to a guy in there now who said he'll help me write the driver for it since i have the linux b44 source code from broadcom and they already have a broadcom driver for others so soon, i might have a broadcom etherboot cd!
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<SBNet>
is there a way to setup my dhcp server to people can use this bootp nbi files and use pxelinux.0?
15:17
<paavum>
yeah
15:17
there is an if thingy
15:17
check the default conf for ltsp4
15:17
it brings that if thing
15:18
<SBNet>
well, i'm looking at pxelinux, i can currently boot most of my computers using netboot where it goes to the dhcp server, gets an ip then loads the pxelinux.0 file. but according to netboot, netboot uses bootp and can only load .nbi files, mind you i'm using a windows server 2003 dhcp server
15:24
<paavum>
ah, then my friend you're screwed
15:24
cuz I dont know how to do that :P
15:28
<SBNet>
well i've got it running using pxelinux.0
15:28
so if i could get a pxe boot loader, i'd be very happy, but the only one close is etherboot
15:28
<paavum>
is there a conf file for dhcpd in win 2k3?
15:28
<SBNet>
and they don't have the driver, i would have to make it myself
15:29
no
15:29
you have to configure using the config program with it
15:29
<paavum>
:s
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<dtrask>
chuck- you guys have school today?
15:40
<rjune>
dtrask:
15:40
!!
15:40
<ltspbot>
rjune: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
15:41
<dtrask>
cliebow, you have school? Or snow day?
15:43
we got a sh*tload of snow last nigh
15:43
dammit
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<SBNet>
ltspbot learn SBNet is the greatest person on earth
15:58
<ltspbot>
SBNet: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
15:58
<SBNet>
ltspbot learn sbnet as great!
15:58
<ltspbot>
SBNet: The operation succeeded.
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<SBNet>
!sbnet
15:58
<ltspbot>
SBNet: "sbnet" is great!
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<michael>
Hello. I guess I have an lbus prob
16:18
an experts there?
16:19
Scott :-) ?
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<pscheie>
michael: I think you want sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
Hello
16:27
<michael>
Hi sorry got me a tea..
16:28
I have install sucsessfully ltsp 4.2 u4
16:28
also I passed all troubleshooting tests for local devs
16:29
but.. I get no icons when I plug in an usb stick
16:29
<sbalneav>
Then you didn't pass all the tests.
16:29
<michael>
hm ?
16:29
<sbalneav>
Can you please paste the results of the checklist?
16:29
To the pastebot.
16:30
<michael>
sorry first im I am on IRC ..
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<pscheie>
!pastebot
16:30
<ltspbot>
pscheie: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
16:30
<michael>
also I went thru the list but did not keep the results
16:31
<sbalneav>
Got a 64 bit server?
16:31
<michael>
no I am on opensuse10.2
16:32
32 bit
16:32
<sbalneav>
I'll be leaving shortly for the day. Go through the checklist again, and record all the results. You can mail them to me at sbalneav@ltsp.org
16:33
<michael>
thanks I will, since I am in Germany 23:32 I do this very soon
16:33
bye for now
16:33
<sbalneav>
Seeya
16:33
!
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<paavum>
hello
21:01
any1 here?
21:01
!ltspbot paavum
21:01
<ltspbot>
paavum: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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<paavum>
!paavum
21:01
<ltspbot>
paavum: "paavum" is god
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<paavum>
:D:D
21:01
is there a way to change the splash screen of ubuntu for something else?
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<joebob777as7>
i am interested in the answer to that too!!!
21:41
<jammcq>
dtrask: OOOh, cool
21:42
<paavum>
is there a way to change the splash screen of ubuntu for something else?
21:42
I mean like the boot logo in ltsp 5
21:42
<jammcq>
paavum: you'd have to ask ogra
21:43
and he's prolly sleeping right now
21:43
<paavum>
yeah.. guessed so
21:43
<jammcq>
and i'm heading to bed now too. see ya'll later
21:43
<paavum>
sleep tight
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<joebob777as7>
hey
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<NefariousAryq>
Hey folks, anyone around for some help on what I hope is a very simple question? :)
23:30
<sbalneav>
Ask the question,
23:32
<vagrantc>
only asked questions get answers.
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<NefariousAryq>
Alrighty! Well. I previously had LTSP 4.0 running on Slackware 10 on a clients server, and needed to do some hardware upgrades, so I decided this would be a good time to move up to Slackware 11 and LTSP 4.2. I'm fairly familiar with LTSP, been running it for a while now, so installation has gone as expected. Except, I'm booting my first client, and the client gets DHCP... gets its IP address... and then tries to load the
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Whew, sorry for all that text, didnt realize I kept typing so much :)
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(its late, and I'm very caffeinated ;) hehe)
23:36* sbalneav waits for the question to appear
23:38
<sbalneav>
One time, I was waiting for this guy, Godot...
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But he never showed
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vagrantc: Oh, c'mon, laugh. That was funny.
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<NefariousAryq>
Well shit, after typing all that, I remembered something... I needed to add the next-server line to my dhcpd.conf. I remembered reading about that. Plth! Bloody hell, that was too easy. :-P
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<sbalneav>
So, the question WAS like Godot.
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vagrantc: Apparently, unasked questions DO get answered.
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<NefariousAryq>
Hmmm, did my question not show up? Cuz I sure did type one ;)
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heh.
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Ohwell, that issue is now fixed. Im gonna stay right here just incase anything else pops up.
23:51
Sweet, and I get into X. Wow, 4.2 *does* boot faster. Thats awesome.
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<intengu>
hi all