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Channel log from 6 February 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<redspike>
How i get the AD permissions when i mount a windows share in debian? if i mount /server/share1$ to /mnt/share1 it says the owner of the files are root, but ill whant to get the real permissions from the ad ?
03:13
<Appiah>
use pam-mount redspike
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mount on logon
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for specific AD user
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<rjune>
!g
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<ltspbot>
rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Gadi>
juney!
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how's it hangin?
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<SDuensin>
Greetings.
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<cliebow>
g!
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<nothingman>
hi, all
09:41
I'm getting TFTP errors on my clients
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they get an address OK, but I get "PXE-E11: ARP timeout error
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"
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<cyberorg>
stgraber, where is control center database configuration made?
10:28
"Database query error : Error while connecting to the configurator database... "
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<johnny>
nothingman, try describing your network configuration.. like where your dhcp server is
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<cyberorg>
stgraber, never mind, figured database out, but don't know if everything is as it should be, got to go now, catchup later
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<staffencasa>
anyone know why after using the --kiosk switch, firefox won't go fullscreen?
11:22
I'm guessing it's a devilspie or X thing
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<johnny>
why would it be a devilspie thing?
11:28
devilspie is installed by default?
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<staffencasa>
yeah
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<staffencasa>
I'm just guessing
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<johnny>
huh? it really is?
11:36* johnny would be suprised
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<staffencasa>
the kiosk plugin has it
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it's supposed to force firefox to be fullscreen
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mine just fullscreens at about 80%
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the more I look at it, though, the more I don't think it's devilspie
11:38
I just commented it out in .xsession and nothing changed.
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<cliebow>
Gadi:can you help extract a variable for me?
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<jammcq>
boa tarde meu amigos
12:19
<CAN-o-SPAM>
jamm are you in brazil already? sure feels like brazil outside today
12:19
<johnny>
hello jammcq
12:19
where is that scott character
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sbalneav, where are you?
12:19
<jammcq>
hey CAN-o-SPAM, nope, up here in clarkston
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
heh
12:23
<cliebow>
jammcq:wanna help me with a piece of perl?
12:24
<jammcq>
sure
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<cliebow>
while (my $entry = $mesg->shift_entry()){
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push(@stuff, scalar ($entry->get_value('userPassword')));}
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foreach my $x(@stuff){print "pw is--> $x\n";
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<jammcq>
you are missing a '}'
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<cliebow>
oh yeah..didnt copy it
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it runs and spits out value of $x
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<jammcq>
k
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<cliebow>
but i need to get at it ouside of the loop..assign it to a variable
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<jammcq>
how many entries in @stuff ?
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<cliebow>
1
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<jammcq>
why push it onto an array at all?
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<cliebow>
not necesary..it was a pirate piece of code
12:26
<jammcq>
why not: my $x = $entry->get_value('userPassword');
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<cliebow>
lemme try it.cant call method "get_value" on an undefined value
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<jammcq>
which loop do you want to be out of?
12:30
the 'while' or the 'foreach' ?
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<cliebow>
both really..that is the only way so far i could get a response
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<jammcq>
ok, so after the while() look, you have an array called @stuff
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<cliebow>
yes
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<jammcq>
you could use $stuff[0] to get the first item
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my $x = $stuff[0]
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<cliebow>
i tried that too..ill try again
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<jammcq>
but that's assuming you know that @stuff will only ever have 1 entry
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<cliebow>
it will only
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<jammcq>
and @stuff was defined above the while() ?
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<cliebow>
i have at stuff in use vars
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i have @stuff in use vars
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<jammcq>
use vars ?
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<cliebow>
heh..i had round brackets instead of square brackets
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<jammcq>
ah, yeah, sort of important
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<cliebow>
comes up empty
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<jammcq>
are private messages working for you?
12:38
<cliebow>
ooh..i think i got it..
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yes they are..just saw you..
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Gorgeous!!!
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<fabio_>
hi guys. I have just set up a ltsp network. The audio output of my thinclient is OK, but I cant record anything from the mic. How can I enable the mic on the thinclient?
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<fabio_>
i'm using ubuntu 8.10
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any idea, anyone?
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<warren>
Ryan52: removing #ltsp from standard auto-join, ping priv if you need anything.
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<sbalneav>
johnny: here
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<johnny>
where you been? :)
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<fabio_>
please?
13:04* johnny doesn't know anything about mics
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<johnny>
i've never even used one on a standard desktop
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<re-G>
fabio_: I think that you have to enable ltsp-localapps for using a mic
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<johnny>
re-G, i doubt it
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<fabio_>
re-G but I will use softwares on the server
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<sbalneav>
Yesterday I was out in Brandon.
13:06
Next toodlesday I'll be up in Thompson :)
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<Ahmuck>
thin clients are crashing when using firefox and a pdf
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is it to much for the thin client network?
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<sbalneav>
Ahmuck: They're probably running out of ram.
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how much ram do they have?
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<Ahmuck>
the thin client?
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256
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<sbalneav>
yes
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have you enabled nbd-swap?
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<Ahmuck>
nope
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<johnny>
hmm.. you shouldn't run out with 256 tho :(
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bad pdf!
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<sbalneav>
johnny: well, if the pdf has lots of images...
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<Ahmuck>
actually had multiple tabs open on ff and had the same issue
13:07
ebay tabs
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<sbalneav>
it may be suffering from the same bugs that firefox was i.e. caching images in the X server.
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<Ahmuck>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
Ahmuck: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<Ahmuck>
is nbd in the docs?
13:08
i assume swap is local on the local disk?
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<johnny>
not by default
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<Ahmuck>
currently the thin client has a dwiped 20 g hard drive
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<johnny>
well.. you could put a swap partition on it
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: You should really use NBD swap
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<Ahmuck>
is NBD swap in the docs and i can find it there?
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<Lns>
unless you want to use local swap, but you can only do that if you have local HDDs in each w/s
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Ahmuck: you use Ubuntu, or. ... ?
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<johnny>
Ahmuck, it's an lts.conf setting
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<Ahmuck>
i have local hard drives in each station
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ubuntu 8.10
13:09* johnny guesses local will be faster
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<Ahmuck>
is there a doc explaining what it does?
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/EnableNBDSWAP (might apply for 8.10 as well)
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Ahmuck: if you have HDDs that would be faster, yes - but more configuration (and if you take the HDDs out, you're saving energy)
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<Ahmuck>
thin clients are 1Ghz, 256mb ram (could be 512) and 20G hard drives
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<alkisg>
Ahmuck: AFAIK, you have to specify USE_LOCAL_SWAP for the local swap to be used.
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<Ahmuck>
i need some clarification on some issues
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alkisg: i'd need to format the drive for swap, as the drives are RAW currently
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correct
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<alkisg>
Yes
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So now you don't have any swap space...
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neither local nor nbd
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<Ahmuck>
k, i need some clarification. ltsp is set up so one can use old pc's. my pc's are so so.
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<sbalneav>
Ahmuck: Quickest way to test would be to just throw more ram temporarily into one workstation and test
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then if it doesn't crash, it's a ram exhaustion issue.
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: why not just enable nbd?
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(swapping)?
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<Ahmuck>
i've looked at nubae's fat clients and understand what it does. i've been told i could get better performance installing locally and using ltsp as a login/home storage and i've also been told something about local apps
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<sbalneav>
alkisg: You could do that too, but some people may not like to play around with their config during the day. Upgrading ram in one workstation limits the "fallout" that could occur.
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<Ahmuck>
pdf issues were with viewing a 92 page pdf and then printing selected pages
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i don't have a problem working with the config, as we have up/down times during the day.
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<Lns>
damn pixmap caching again
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: ah, I see. I thought adding a mac-address based entry in lts.conf would be "clean" enough, but I guess you're right.
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<Ahmuck>
anyhow, i went the ltsp route because of the central management and the impression that the clients would run similar to a server with the same configuration. i'm not seeing this
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i'm wondering if i'm missing something
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<sbalneav>
I just depends on what the admin's "comfortable" with doing.
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<sbalneav>
Sounds like Ahmuck doesn't mind turning nbd-swap on, so, that's an option then.
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: there are situations involving pixmap caching on the thin client / local X server. This is an issue with Firefox, OpenOffice, and large PDFs that like to cache every image in the X server (and it exhausts all client RAM, killing the session)
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<Ahmuck>
anything is an option if to get results
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: IIWY I'd try more RAM like sbalneav said first if possible. If that seems to fix the issue, then go for NBD swap. IMHO it's the least painful to set up.
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of course with local swap it would perform better and you'd get more space
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<Ahmuck>
so, i've looked at three choices, fat clients (with seperate fat clients directories - which i don't like), thin clients with local apps (which i still don't quite understand) and locally installed os connecting to ltsp for login/managment/storage
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<sbalneav>
Also, depending on # of workstations, and budget, it may be possible to just say "screw it" and go out and buy a gig stick for each. :)
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<Ahmuck>
on a thin client, 2G swap is still the largest ?
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5 workstations, server with 3g ram and terrabyte drives
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yes, workstations are old pc166 ram
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so g won't work
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<sbalneav>
I've updated all my workstations, and I've got a gig of ram in each, and I don't have nbd swap on, and so far, I've had no problems. We have extensive firefox/pdf usage here.
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<Lns>
sbalneav: blah! Thin clients are still being sold by HP and others w/128MB RAM
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<Lns>
I hate the "use more ram" workaround, thin clients shouldn't NEED it
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
ahhh are you sure LNS?
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<Lns>
not that i'm denying it fixes the X issue
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<sbalneav>
yeah, I build my own with via epia mobos.
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<Ahmuck>
ah, and here is the rub.
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it's an issue of re-using older equipment
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: yes
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<alkisg>
Lns, with localapps, they're like normal workstations, 1 Gb would be needed for local firefox + gimp + pdf + whatever...
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<Lns>
alkisg: right. localapps are a different story.
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<sbalneav>
Lns: Well thin clients shouldn't *need* it, but application authors using extensive pixmap caching for performance *demand* it :)
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<Ahmuck>
let me ask the real question. what is the most effeciant way and the best performance with ltsp?
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fat clients, local apps, or local installation ?
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: local install != LTSP
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
we can keep taking things out of workstations to make these clients "thinner" and "thinner" but until network connections get 10x faster, what's left to operate on?
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<Lns>
and most efficient != best performance, either.
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<Ahmuck>
local install doesn't use ltsp for central user and storage management ?
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<Lns>
..no?
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<johnny>
how could it?
13:22* Ahmuck has a gigabyte network
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<johnny>
it's just like installing ubuntu on a computer..
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<Ahmuck>
which i invested in, thinking this was my weak point
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: you should know better than most that LTSP is supposed to allow clients with minimal resources (including RAM) to utilize the power of a central server
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:)
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<Ahmuck>
k, now i am confused. i was under the impression that a local install could be set to login via network to an ltsp server and use that for user management and storage
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and configuration
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: talk to the LTSP developers, they're changing things, and LTSP has to follow with application demands as well, unfortunatley we don't develop all the apps that LTSP delivers ...
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: you can, but you're only using a piece of LTSP (probably LDAP/equiv), which can be installed outside of LTSP anyway.
13:23* Ahmuck is going to read the manual and see if i can clear up my confusion or if the answers are just not htere
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: therefore more memory is GOOD! :)
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<Ahmuck>
so, why does one need fat machines? g ram, mega proc if it's ltsp ?
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: IMHO that is really going backwards.. LTSP shouldn't be conforming to bloated software that requires tons of local X memory
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<Ahmuck>
Lns: can you set up standard configs, ie, resolution, firefox settings, etc. via LDAP/equiv?
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: ok, then how do we move forward?
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: you're talking about fat clients i think
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<Ahmuck>
Lns, there's not much choice
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<Ahmuck>
i was in a meeting the other day, and listened to a kde dev talk about using one machine and others connected to it, ! ltsp though. via redhat ?
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<Lns>
CAN-o-NotHere: we move forward by possibly creating an X extension to intercept local X pixmap caching and redirect it to the LTSP server, or something that won't require people to go out and purchase large amounts of RAM
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And continue to hound developers of major apps to code carefully for this kind of setup, as it's getting extremely popular
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<Ahmuck>
soooo. i need direction
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<Lns>
I see Linux apps moving the way of Windows, and I just plain don't like it
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<Ahmuck>
i'm trying to decide where to go from here
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: try more RAM.
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<Ahmuck>
let's talk about local apps. i need to understand what they are doing
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<alkisg>
Ahmuck: 1st try to solve your problem (with adding more RAM or enabling NBD or something). 2nd make local swap partitions. 3rd go for localapps. :)
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<Ahmuck>
local apps is a app menu that offloads the proc/mem to the thin client?
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: yes.
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<Ahmuck>
alkisg: thx, that is direction i needed
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i just needed someone to point me in a direction
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<Lns>
lol... Ahmuck, 3 people told you your options.
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<Ahmuck>
a plan :)
13:28
all different
13:28* Lns sighs
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<Ahmuck>
will local apps work for SDL apps ?
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<alkisg>
Lns: sometimes numbering the options make them more effective... :P :D
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<Lns>
alkisg: hehe
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<Ahmuck>
yes, for me it's about a list
13:29* Lns writes this down
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<alkisg>
Ahmuck: with either localapps, local install or fat clients, your basic problem will be your clients' RAM. 256 MB is too low for heavy apps.
13:30
You could run a video player, or firefox with 1-2 tabs open, but not many/heavy apps simultaneously
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<Ahmuck>
i've used a hardware/software inventory software before, french iirc, that listed each machine. is ltsp able to do this?
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<johnny>
ltsp isn't
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but standard unix tools can
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<Ahmuck>
ocsinventory
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<johnny>
like lshw for hardware stats
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ltsp is just glue..
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on top of standard *nix tools
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it isn't special
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<Ahmuck>
i could run ocsinventory from the server and query each client?
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<johnny>
perhaps
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try
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<Ahmuck>
ah, there's the rub
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ok
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<johnny>
depends on how it works
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<Lns>
That's what I love so much about LTSP. It doesn't try to do a whole lot outside of the solid *nix tools that have been around for tens of years.
13:37
Has anyone used FL_TeacherTool in LTSP5?
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<johnny>
never even heard of it :)
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<Ahmuck>
i understand redhat has a new user managment tool they were hoping people would test
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<Lns>
johnny: http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/index.html
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Ahmuck: i kind of wish Ubuntu would adopt RH's current user management tools
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they're really nice
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<Ahmuck>
i do as well
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<johnny>
i hope ubuntu adopts packagekit..
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at least rh adopted upstart
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<Ahmuck>
what's packageit?
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<johnny>
so it's not just going in one direction
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<Ahmuck>
er, packagekit
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<johnny>
users will rarely ever apt-get or yum
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a shared way of installing and searching packages
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distro agnostic
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<Ahmuck>
i aptitude all the time
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<johnny>
no need to aptitude anymore hopefully
13:40
same command will work on whatever distro
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<Ahmuck>
i'd like a distro agnostic package manager. i might even consider fedora at that point
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<johnny>
that's the party line anyways
13:40
<Lns>
johnny: wow, packagekit looks a lot like update-manager
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<johnny>
yes
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<Ahmuck>
i absoltuly hated rpm when using fedora
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<johnny>
it also has plugins for codecs
13:41
Ahmuck, there's yum for that..
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altho yum still sucks..
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it's better than rpm directly
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it has plugins for codecs, drivers, hopefully soon.. printer drivers
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<Lns>
johnny: does packagekit have a shell interface?
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<johnny>
and firmware
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think so
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<Ahmuck>
actually, i did not like rpm/yum because if there was a package i wanted, it usually was built by some private individual and that meant i had to search for the proper dependancies scattered all over the web. that was early fedora
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<Lns>
I think the package management aspect of distributions is being slowly melted together, which is good. The differences in distros will now focus on policy more than anything, i think.
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<Ahmuck>
policy ?
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<CAN-o-NotHere>
does anyone here use XChat?
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<Lns>
I.E. packaging policy, stability requirements, etc.
13:43
CAN-o-NotHere: am on it now
13:43
I'm not 31337 enough to be using bitchx on a normal basis ;)
13:43
<johnny>
Lns, do people still use bitchx?
13:43
<Lns>
johnny: of course
13:43
<johnny>
i thought all those folks went to irssi
13:44
<CAN-o-NotHere>
how do i message someone directly that isn't in a chat room with me?
13:44
<johnny>
nobody i know uses bitch
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<Lns>
there will always be people using different apps
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<johnny>
CAN-o-NotHere, /msg
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<CAN-o-NotHere>
brilliant
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<johnny>
/msg <nick> <whatever>
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<Lns>
ah, universal irc commands. ;)
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<johnny>
i am the oddest one here
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i'm using an irc transport on my jabber server
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so i am using my jabber client
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<Lns>
johnny: i'm using irc transport on your jabber server, too. ;)
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j/k
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<johnny>
you could
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i wouldn't min
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<Lns>
I set up an ssl enabled jabber server long ago... it was fun
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but nobody wanted to join me :(
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<johnny>
now that everybody uses gtalk.. you can have plenty of jabber friends
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<Lns>
so i had to conform and use AIM, Yahoo, MSN under pidgin
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<johnny>
i use AIM as a transport too
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i don't have any y! or msn buddies who don't have AIM
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<Lns>
gtalk?
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<Ahmuck>
back to swap. enabling swap on the local machine vs ndb would speed things up?
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<johnny>
mainly cuz i'm not in europe
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Ahmuck, probably.. but not sure how much
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<Ahmuck>
ok
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<johnny>
Lns, google talk?
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<Lns>
ah
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<johnny>
haven't you been paying attention in the past 3 years?
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<Lns>
never used it
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<Ahmuck>
i'll purchase ram first and look at local swap
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<johnny>
it's jabber
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<Ahmuck>
can i do ndb and local swap both?
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<johnny>
Ahmuck, why?
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: why would you want to??
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<johnny>
probably
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<Lns>
that's like having 8 wheels on your car
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<johnny>
Lns, not true
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having multiple swaps on different disks isn't a terrible idea
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<Lns>
johnny: don't confuse him :)
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<Ahmuck>
mixed clients
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thin clients without disks, and thin clients with disks
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: you said you're on a 1Gbps network?
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<Ahmuck>
yes
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
a thin client cant have a disk.
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<Ahmuck>
i've even got cat6 cabling
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<Lns>
NBD will be fine, i am sure.
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I'm using NBD swap with 35 clients at a time under a 100mbps network and it works great.
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<Ahmuck>
grr, i have to find out what ur doing
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mine works so so
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: HP "thin clients" have local storage
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<Ahmuck>
i'm feeling disallisoined
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: what do you mean
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CAN-o-SPAM: of course i don't agree the term should reflect those that do have local NV storage
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kind of like the whole 'cloud computing' term. hate it.
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<Ahmuck>
i guess i expected equal performance from the thin client as the server had
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or near equal
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
lns: i think of storage and disk as two seperate things
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: if you're not getting that, there is something wrong
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CAN-o-SPAM: ah
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
technically: memory = storage, especially in our case.
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<Ahmuck>
hrm, something is wrong then
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: minus streaming media/video of course
13:52* Ahmuck wonders if it could be my managed switch?
13:52* Lns is afk
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<etyack>
n
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<sbalneav>
So, on my little acer aspireone, I've ditched a full desktop, and gone back to using evilwm, which I love.
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The only problem I encountered was: getting connected to a wifi in a NetworkMangler world, with no panel applet.
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So, some googling around, and I discovered cnetworkmanager: the command line interface to NetworkMangler
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But there was a bug: I couldn't connect to a public AP, so I tracked down the author.
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He provided me a fix this morning in about 15 minutes.
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<johnny>
nice
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sbalneav, so when will you have time to do sabayon stuff?
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my box is finally back online
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<sbalneav>
So now, from an Xterm, all I have to do is type: cnetworkmanager -C "network-ssid"
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and I'm connected.
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<alkisg>
I love it when this happens! :) I had the same experience with dnsmasq, a fix in one day!
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq!
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Got my passport back, so we should think about ordering Brzil tickets!
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: commandline to network-manager? that is something i *might* consider using!
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: hold on, I'll get the link
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http://vidner.net/martin/software/cnetworkmanager/
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You'll want a git checkout: he just fixed my bug this morning :)
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cnetworkmanager -n shows you what networks are currently around
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cnm -C "ssid" connects to a public ap
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cnm -C "ssid" --wep-key="blah" (etc)
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*very* nice.
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needs a packager.
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hint hint
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<alkisg>
Lns: "from my experience iTalc is kind of a pain to get going." ???
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<johnny>
ok guys.. i have to go train a volunteer
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bbiab
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sbalneav, we'll talk alter hopefully
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<Lns>
later johnny
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alkisg: yes ?
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<alkisg>
Lns: you had trouble installing italc?
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<Lns>
I did, well lemme talk to you about it in a bit...busy configuring vlans
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<alkisg>
Sure.. :)
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: what's the git url?
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i can't seem to "git clone" it...
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: uno momento
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<vagrantc>
ah, think i've got it.
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sbalneav: figured it out. had to drop the /w/ from the URL ...
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, think I used git://repo.or.cz/cnetworkmanager.git
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It's a handy little dingus.
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<Ahmuck>
i just had a major problem with user's
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a user account
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a user was on the server (don't ask) and was able to shut it down instead of logout
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as a result it shutt down the entire ltsp lab
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i wouldn't think that unless the user had super user privleges or a privledge account that shutting down the server would require a sudo password
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: That's a good point- this might not be configured by default for users not in the 'admin' group
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(ability to shut down the system)
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It's moot that it's an LTSP server, or whatever.. but it might be a good idea to set a gconf value (if it exists) to only be able to shut down if you're in an admin group
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for LTSP servers that might be handy to autoconfigure during install
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<aglio2>
hey, any of the main ltsp guys around?
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<-- Josh berkus
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<Ahmuck>
Lns: normally you wouldn't want the user at the server, but were a small install and the server has power to do kdenlive, hugin, etc.
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and someone is always in there watching
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: right - that's understandable (and common with ltsp)
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<Ahmuck>
it did create a bit of chaos for a second
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<Lns>
i bet! =D
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<aglio2>
didn't think so ... too late in the day
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<Lns>
I haven't looked into it, but i'm sure there's a gconf value to at LEAST *disable* the shutdown button for everyone
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<aglio2>
will try back monday ap
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<Lns>
aglio2: define 'main' ltsp guys
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<Ahmuck>
yech, it happened again. k, the user is using the red x button next to thier name
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that should be a logout button
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<aglio2>
Jim, Scott, etc.
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I'm fishing for speakers for Open Source World
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<Lns>
ah
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nevermind then :)
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Ahmuck: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/20/disable-shutdown-for-normal-users/ might help you out
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<staffencasa>
anyone have any ideas why firefox using the --kiosk plugin would not appear full screen and only fill about 75% of the screen when maximized?
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<staffencasa>
no takers, huh?
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<Mip5>
Hey Gang!
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I've just followed the howto on updating the thin client, and can't finish it - can't umount /proc - says device is busy. Any ideas?
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Ubuntu 8.04
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<Mip5>
My guess is that if I restarted the server, it would umount it - but I'm not sure that's a great idea
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<warren>
Ryan52: if anyone wants pre-built f-10 chroots http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/ltsp/prebuilt-chroots/
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<Ryan52>
ok.
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<Mip5>
okay - I'll check back later. Peace y'all.
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<jammcq>
boa noite #ltsp
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<aglio2>
jammcq: boa noite!
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are you in Brazil right now?
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<jammcq>
nope
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aglio2: got your email
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<jammcq>
I was just popping in here to see if sbalneav is around. to see if he's interested in a quick trip out to sanfran
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<aglio2>
jammcq: oh?
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jammcq: oh, right, my e-mail?
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<jammcq>
yep
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sbalneav: ping
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<aglio2>
for that matter, I'd love to see an LTSP booth one last time
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<jammcq>
hmm, not very likely
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<aglio2>
yeah
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I wish I could say it was going to be completely different from LWE
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but it's not
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<jammcq>
sure, new name, same conference
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<aglio2>
well, the talk program will be changed
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but ... IDG is foot-dragging
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<jammcq>
scotty's always telling me that SanFran is one of his favorite places to visit, so this might be a good chance to get out there
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<aglio2>
ok
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<jammcq>
my favorite is NYC
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dunno if they are doing a conference there anymore
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scotty say's he'll be here in #ltsp in about 20 minutes
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<aglio2>
gah, I need to go to dinner
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I *have* to go
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I'll be online monday if Scott has questions
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<jammcq>
k
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have fun
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<aglio2>
wiil, cracked dungeness crab
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oh, and just to tempt you
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<jammcq>
whoa, I found a place wednesday night that did all you can eat King crab
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<aglio2>
there will be a PG conf. in *paris* this year
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<jammcq>
whoa
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I loved paris
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<aglio2>
November 5
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<jammcq>
and i'm considering going to Ottawa this year
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<aglio2>
that would be cool
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<jammcq>
we are LOVING Postgres
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<aglio2>
we'll have a really good program this year
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anyway, buona notte
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<jammcq>
ciao
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<dberkholz>
jammcq, aglio2: fwiw, i'm proposing a talk there, if it's accepted and they pay for my travel, i might be there.
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<jammcq>
dberkholz: wow, cool
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dberkholz: btw, how's the baby?
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<dberkholz>
i guess i'll have to get used to calling it OSW
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jammcq: she's doing pretty well in general. sleeping lots, so we get sleep and even time to do stuff at night.
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jammcq: it's 6:45 here and she's already been asleep for half an hour
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<jammcq>
well, just wait about 17 years, when you have to take the car away from her, cuz her grades are starting to slip
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<dberkholz>
heh
20:45* jammcq speaks from recent experience
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<dberkholz>
i've read that the only environmental factor correlated with academic performance is how many books are in the parents' house
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<jammcq>
wow
20:45* dberkholz reads a ridiculous amount
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<jammcq>
well... I've got a huge collection of books, and my 3 kids are all-A students (most of the time)
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might be some real correlation there
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<dberkholz>
i think the idea is that the parents are showing that they enjoy learning, so the kids do too
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<jammcq>
sure
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it all starts with the parents. too many people don't understand that
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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jammcq: hey hey
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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