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I'm setting up my first 2008r2 server, I ran dcpromo and everything went ok, but after a reboot I can't login!
says bad username/password
oops wrong room
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anyone have an opinion, wether I should opt for a faster rocessor or for more cores. in my kiwi-ltsp server?
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if you're not using all the ram you have that is..
otherwise.. more core
My ram isnt being affected as much, but my amd 2.0 athalon duals, are screaming. I am thinking about a quad 3.0.
is that to much!!
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can someone help me setup virtualbox for my thin clients? I want my thin clients to be able to boot Windows when necessary. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
specifically, I have virtualbox installed but I am not sure how to get the kernel modules to load for the thin client kernels.
pem725: vbox clients or vbox server?
you really don't wanna put vbox in the chroot
it's gonna be suck
good question. I am not sure. The vbox client complains that the kernel driver is not loaded.
so I am not sure.
if you wanna boot windows.. put a hard drive in there
pem725: I didn't understand what you want to do, can you elaborate?
or.. use rdesktop to talk to windows server via remote desktop
ok, I have two thin clients that need to use windows but only on rare occasions
why not install vbox on the server?
so I wanted to allow them to startup a vbox instance.
I have vbox on the server and it runs well.
so use that..
can my thin clients access it?
sorry for being so obtuse.
pem725: so you need rdesktop on the client, and windows vbox on the server, right?
it should appear in their menu
yes, it appears in their menu.
first see if that is fast enough before trying anything else that might be difficult
alkisg, yes, I think that sounds right.
I guess I have vbox setup as a user on the server.
the open version of virtualbox doesn't support rdesktop service does it?
ok, you can do it as johnny said, and if the performance doesn't suit you, you can try to run a local rdesktop from the clients
I think it does
I have vbox setup on the server but one user has an image setup in his directory.
pem725, if you run vbox headless with rdesktop.. you can login somewhat more directly (but not really ) and tell your clients to rdesktop to it
altho you probably need the appropriate number of licenses for that..
when I try to run it using that user's profile on the thin client, the vbox program tells me that the kernel module is not loaded.
Put the user in the vboxusers group
licenses are not an issue.
I will try those suggestions. Thanks for your quick responses.
ah yes.. that is probably the key
putting the user in the group :)
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how do i read mouse events from the local thin client?
/dev/input is on the server right/
you'll have to get them from the X Display somehow...
damo221: what are you trying to do?
vagrantc: i want to write a script that reads mouse events and sends them to some sort of audio player so i can set up a transcription tool
but my machine is an ltsp client.. i got audio to work using pulseaudio
damo221: you'll have to write code that reads it from the X display
can i do it with bash? or i need something like python
i know that bash "read" can read mouse clicks
it would probably be a bad idea to try in bash.
can php do it? its the only other language i really know
you just need a language with a decent interface to X
cant i just read some sort of device node
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and parse it
damo221: for the third time, you need to use something that gets it from the X display.
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is setting up multiple ltsp images documented anywhere? i'm using ubuntu 9.04
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vagrantc: You were interested in cnetworkmanager?
vagrantc: check my ppa. I packaged it.
I also wrote a manpage for it.
sbalneav: what is cnetworkmanager?
command line interface to network manager
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you can control network manager without having to use one of the gui apps
sbalneav@phobos:~$ cnetworkmanager -s
Active | Name | Type
-------+-----------------+--------------- | Ifupdown (eth0) | 802-3-ethernet
* | Auto eth1 | 802-3-ethernet
So, if you run a low-end laptop, that's running, say, icewm, but you still want the convenience of NM for wireless
you can control it with cnetworkmanager
sbalneav: has it been around for a while?
Not too long
Anyway there wasn't a debian or ubuntu package for it, so I packaged it.
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Hi. I have installed Fedora 12 and then installed the LTSP package. I have been following the guides but it seems the DHCP is not running or something? I have tried 'service dhcp start' but that fails. What is wrong?
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Now the thin client boots up and I get a login screen but when I try to login it just says "verifying.." for a while then the screen flicker with some console text (cannot read it) and then I am back at the login screen for another attempt. Why can I not login and where can I find logs for these failures?
do you have sshd running?
do you have an account on the server?
'service sshd status' shows it is running and yes I have tried with two accounts that exist on the server.
try sshing to one of em..
the logs are on the chroot, so you could add SCREEN_02=shell
to your lts.conf and drop into to look at /var/log/ldm.log
johnny: SSH to the thin client?
If I just type 'ssh 172.31.100.100' in a terminal at the server then it says 'connection refused'
for multiple client images, after creating them and assigning a different NBD port to each in inetd.conf do i just need to create corresponding pxelinux.cfg files and configure DHCP appropriately?
or configure pxelinux.cfg to have a menu to select which one to use
vagrantc: that sounds good
depends on if you'd prefer specific thin clients to use a different default, or the users choose
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Hm... my /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf is empty on the server. Is that correct?
I just ran ltsp-build-client.
normally, you only need lts.conf entries if the defaults don't work
and some distros now place it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf now
Okey.. I will check "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" then.
it might be empty
or not there
in which case you need to be
need to put*
no.. ssh to a user to make sure it works
from another computer
as ldm just does ssh
I added SCREEN_02=shell now under [default] in "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" but nothing happends when I press ALT+F2. SCREEN_01 is set to ldm.
johnny: I have no other computer right now. Running the server on a netbook (just to get this working) and the client is connected directly to its wired ethernet port.
you have to reboot it
Yes I did... but hm... now the login worked!!
ah.. well good
there ya go
So I guess it works now because I ran ltsp-build.client again... but I do not really understand why it works now and now before tho :(
maybe you mistyped the password
or maybe you had changed the ip of your server
in which case you have to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, which is run after ltsp-build-client
but can be run manually if your ip changes
vagrantc, how come we can't detect that the server ip changed and print that in ldm?
and tell people to run ltsp-update-sshkeys on their server
johnny: Hmm okey.
johnny: how do you distinguish between a hostile server and one where the keys have changed?
we can mention that either the server ip changed, or something bad happened
and say to notify the admin
i didn't suggest that we take the new key or anything
at any rate, one of the breakages with the switch to NBD was that you have to rebuild the image every time you change ip addresses because of that
since when? i've never had t do that on ubuntu?
johnny: When and why do I have to run ltsp-build-client after this?
(if you know what I mean)
just run ltsp-update-sshkeys
if your ip changes
johnny: how do you propegate the new keys to the NBD image?
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er, key/ip/hostname matching
oh.. you're right.. :(
johnny: Okey. So I should not need to run ltsp-build-client ever again?
johnny: you probably don't change the server ip very often.
you have to urn ltsp-update-image next time..
sl00, only if you rebuild the image..
afrer deleting the old one
if your server ip changes, just run ltsp-update-image then
unless fedoar doesn't use nbd.. i can't recall
i know gentoo doesn't
as we can't control our server kernels
AFAIK it uses NFS right now.
ah.. then just ltsp-update-sshkeys
Okey. I do not think the IP will ever change. What I wonder is what updates to the server requires me to update the image really?
there is no image
if you use nfs
but if you did use nbd.. like ubuntu uses by default.. then you would
every change to the image (anything affecting client behaviour like ssh keys change, or local apps are installed) would require it then
johnny: Okey. So if I install say OpenOffice on the server now the client will get it right away?
anyything on the server.. runs on the server..
so no client mods necessary..
johnny: But if I were to run NBD I have to ltsp-update-image?
How much faster/better is NBD over NFS?
never benched.. but i could tell the difference
So NBD is recommended then I guess.
it is default on ubuntu..
not on fedora.. i'm not sure why
and definitely not on debian
and not on gentoo.. altho for other reasons..
/me runs to the store
Okey..thanks for the help.
Seems one of the reasons I could not login with one of the accounts was because the password contains the " character.
if you installed openoffice on the server, you normally wouldn't have to run ltsp-update-image, unless you were using LOCAL_APPS or LTSP_FATCLIENT
vagrantc: AH I see.
nearly everything happens on the server in a traditional thin client environment: user creation/deletion/managemant, software installs/removals
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vagrantc: re multiple images, i now have separate chroots for TFTP (ltsp and ltsp2) but in the pxelinux.cfg/default i'm not sure how to specify the port to use (i have 2000 and 2001 in inetd.conf)
(each TFTP chroot has it's own default file)
maybe nbdport too
this is in the default file?
vagrantc: Is it possible to get the fedora login screen, the one I get if I login locally on the server, instead of this k12linux one (ldm)?
sl00, it's an ldm theme
we can't use gdm themes..
sl00, try searching the internet to see if somebody has created another ldm theme
we don't actually have an ldm theme repository...
and i hear recent versions of gdm have dropped support for logging in over the network...
vagrantc, that has little to do with using their themes :)
johnny: well, it would be trivial to use GDM's theme if you were logging in via XDMCP using GDM
sl00, or you would work out how to modify that one
vagrantc, sure.. but we don't really recommend that anyways..
johnny: Will do!
Found /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes so far... I will play around alittle.
sl00, there are docs for .gtkrc
all over the internet i bet.. so you should be able to figure out.. it's not quite css.. but it does about the same thing..
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