IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 21 October 2015   (all times are UTC)

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09:16
<kione>
?keyring
09:16
?ltsp-pnp
09:17
ok, don't now the actual commands to search here
09:17
Can anyone explain how to fix the gnome-keyring bug in ltsp-pnp or a traditional ltsp fat client setup
09:18
<alkisg>
!keyring
09:18
<ltsp>
Error: "keyring" is not a valid command.
09:18
<alkisg>
...the gnome-keyring is disabled in recent versions
09:18
Do you have the greek schools ppa in your sources.list?
09:19
<kione>
Hi alkisg! that means evolution and online-accounts won't work ?
09:19
<alkisg>
I don't know, I imagine evolution will work but without storing the passwords
09:19
See this bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730587
09:20
Complain there. A lot. Maybe they will fix it then. :)
09:20
Also make noice in the ltsp mailing list so that others complain in the bug report
09:20
:)
09:20
For now, ltsp disables the keyring if you use sshfs, as it won't work and will make thousands of temp files
09:20
If you switch to e.g. nfs, it won't disable it
09:23
<kione>
making noice is a good advice... i have the gree ppa in my list. the pnp-setup was pretty much forward
09:24
why is it in thin client environment doing fine?
09:27
<alkisg>
the problem is that locks don't work very well with sshfs
09:27
thins use ext4, the server file system
09:27
So we need to make noise either in sshfs or in gnome-keyring
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09:30
<kione>
i have had some moments, can't say why, where it does work... the connection established to cloud files through nautilus (owncloud via online-accounts) and evoluion was working properly unlocked, also. is ist possible that selinux/firewall problems could cause this
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09:46
<kione>
alkisg: you mean by "disabled" gnome-keyring, that permissions are set to -x
09:47
<alkisg>
Yes, on boot
09:49
<kione>
bw, for now i need to manually paste my routers ip in /etc/resolv.conf for connecting clients to the internet. what have missed...
09:50
<alkisg>
The DNS_SERVER part in lts.conf?
09:52
<kione>
DNS_SERVER="8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222"
09:53
i might choose my routers ip there?
09:56
as i am also running the ltsp server in virtualbox, i receive a "failed to start virtual kernel service" on client logins ... trying to exclude in "RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES" was not successful for me, i dont know the service name
09:57
nope, dns_server must be 8.8....
10:21
<alkisg>
kione: where do you need to modify resolv.conf, on the server or the clients?
10:21
And, is it a single-nic setup?
10:22
<kione>
on the server, single nic
10:23
its cold in germany, you still have summer, right?
10:23
<alkisg>
Nah, autumn, rain etc
10:24
Are you planning to run DNS on the ltsp server or not?
10:24
I.e. port=0 in dnsmasq.conf or not...
10:25
<kione>
is there a advantage in doing so
10:26
<alkisg>
What is your primary dns server, your router?
10:26
<kione>
yes
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10:27
<alkisg>
Well it would be a bit more customizable, e.g. you could easily add entries, blacklist facebook etc
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10:29* work_alkisg waves for now, later...
10:30
<kione>
thanks so far! c you!
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11:33
<lbssousa>
cyberorg, I'll give openSUSE another try here in my work, now that release 42.1 is coming. Maybe I could even support both openSUSE and Debian for my coworkers. Please consider packaging ssvnc in openSUSE:Education for use with Epoptes.
11:36
Preferably with this patch applied: http://sourceforge.net/p/ssvnc/bugs/5/
11:49
<kione>
speaking of epoptes .... do i need to install the epoptes client in chroot?
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11:50
<work_alkisg>
kione: yes
11:51
see the epoptes.org/installation page
11:54
<kione>
pretty straight forward! on my previous problem: i purged evolution and co. as owncloud provides webdav and including in nautilus is fine. despite i follow your suggestion to speak up in the bug-list, work_alkisg
11:55
<work_alkisg>
yes it will affect other programs as well, so also notifying others in the mailing lists would be nice
11:59
<kione>
i have a huge chance of setting up a ltsp system in sag gymnasium germany, if i can fullfill there needs and demonstrating openbox/gnome with a combination of owncloud, my guess is they wont regret taking the step to linux
12:01
i could help some small businesses with a thin client version, but for the larger school environment thats not approbiate... as you all know :D
12:02
<FrozenZia>
Hey all -- anyone set up an LTSP-environment yet using UbuntuMATE? Any major things to keep in mind?
12:05
<kione>
work_alkisg: didn't you receive my comment as email? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730587#c2
12:06
<work_alkisg>
kione: use ltsp fat clients for schools, they need multimedia
12:06
FrozenZia: use the greek school ppa, it has fixes for mate
12:07
The screen locker has some issues in mate, but that's not ltsp-specific... and, the file associations too
12:07
<kione>
i do use debian jessie with fat clients, just installed vlc, gimp, inkscape etc for checking out
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12:41
<kione>
me stupid... i cant figure how to password protect my username here... registering where?
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12:52
<muppis>
kione, registering with NickServ. /msg NickServ help <- This gets you started.
12:56
<kione>
nailed it :D thanks muppis
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13:02
<muppis>
No problem.
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13:11
<kione>
so then ;D
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16:22
<markit>
work_alkisg: hi, I'm thinking about moving ltsp server on a VM under Proxmox, but what about epoptes being run by the teacher from a fat client and not from the server? does it work?
16:22
btw, how are you? :)
16:23
ehm, let's read some documentation first: http://www.epoptes.org/documentation/fat-clients :)
16:23
Phantomas: hi!
16:23
<Phantomas>
hey markit
16:25
<markit>
how are you as a person and as a student? ;P
16:27
<Phantomas>
I'm good as a person and terrible as a student. :P I'm working on python libvncserver bindings, you may see some cool vnc related features in epoptes "soon".
16:28
<markit>
Phantomas: great for the ltsp work! As as student... I remember me being always late in exams too
16:29
<Phantomas>
markit: the page you linked should work fine for your requirements
16:29
<markit>
but being much older than you I have to tell you "study comes first :)"
16:29
Phantomas: yep, let's test it... do you know Proxmox project? If not, have a look
16:30
virtualization environment is great for testing too (snaphot, backup/restore, etc)
16:30
btw, there is a site in germany that sells server class hardware of second hand ("used") for not too much money
16:31
<Phantomas>
proxmox seems interesting, in what hardware are you running this with ltsp?
16:32
<markit>
we have a server in one school that has also a VM for the work of the secretary (sigh, M$Crapware), and samba as a share. Is a Xeon something, 16GB ram, 4 Gb nics
16:33
<Phantomas>
oh cool then
16:33
<markit>
and one high quality ssd for important VM, and one "not so good" for wm that could die, I will put ltsp there
16:34
Then problem is that if ltsp crashes or something, teacher will not be able to turn it off and on again as is used with "physical" server
16:34
I think I will crontab e reboot every night
16:34
just to keep it as fresh as possible
16:35
<Phantomas>
not sure if this is necessary
16:35
<markit>
but Free software is giving me some troubles with some hardware that has not (priprietary) drivers available for 14.04 or some Free software abandoned (OpenSankoré)
16:36
ehm, you need some italian update in translations by me, or am I wrong? https://translations.launchpad.net/epoptes
16:36
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16:37
<Phantomas>
would be great :)
16:37
<markit>
Network Benchmark? you added it? that's great!!!
16:37
does it do also a sort of "stress test?" yesterday I had a bad surprise
16:37
in the 18 fat client room, 10 started fine, then did not, and also dhcp was slow like hell
16:38
in short, one nick of the bound was having big trubles after a lot of traffic has passed through
16:38
I tested only with 1-5 fats when I updated
16:38
seems was a kernel module issue with that nick, I upgraded now to 14.04 and I'm crossing my fingers
16:38
<Phantomas>
it uses iperf, and shows a per-client bandwidth used graph
16:40
network problems suck :(
16:40
It would be great if you tested this feature, and report any problems you find.
16:40
<markit>
mmm wondering if is everything to translate or not... tech people use "upload" in italian too, without translation
16:40
is it translated in greek AFAIK?
16:41
<Phantomas>
it is. something like "send"
16:41
and kinda like "get" for "download"
16:43
but it's up to you if you will translate it or not
16:52
<markit>
Phantomas: done, I should review to make the upload/download parts be as much like as possible
16:52
btw, my english is becoming worse and worse, sigh
16:57
Phantomas: string 114 has a carriage return, do I have to put it also in the translation?
16:57
I guess so...
16:58
<Phantomas>
if the translated string is as long as the original, yes use it
16:59
<markit>
ok, complete, I feel better now for this really small and trivial contribution
16:59
let's go back to the Kubuntu 14.04 ltsp VM creation and configuration :)
16:59
thanks a lot Phantomas :) have a nice day
17:00
<Phantomas>
markit: Thank you too for the translation :) Have a nice day too
17:01
<markit>
Phantomas: well, thanks a lot for epoptes indeed :) And I'm so grateful for alkis's help in setting ltsp and troubleshooting, I would never be able to have it working without him
17:02
when nothing seems to work, alkis is able to troubleshoot every single bit ;P
17:15
well, ltsp-remoteapps epoptes works, but not from the menu icon
17:15
and also it shows itself in the client list, that can be a real problem
17:20
Phantomas: info does not return info about ram, processor and graphic card, is it normal (not yet implemented) or do I miss some packages?
17:20
I mean, I select a client, and right click on it, then Info
17:21
also how can I run it from the DE menu, since the menu item for epoptes package that is not in chroot?
17:25
let's try to copy /usr/share/applications/epoptes.desktop in chroot
17:25
<work_alkisg>
markit: http://www.epoptes.org/documentation/fat-clients
17:26
There's an RCFILE_01 command there that edits the menu
17:27
To exclude the client, use the equivalent of gnome-session-properties, that disables startup programs
17:28
<markit>
work_alkisg: yes, but there is no menu in fat chroot
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17:29
<markit>
at lest, this is what I deduced, but I just copied from host to chroot without testing if it was already present
17:29
and now I'm rebuilding chroot
17:29
in any case, from K menu typing "epoptes" shows nothing in the fat client
17:29
so seems to be the case
17:30
urgh, I have to get home my child, be back soon (wondering if I have to issue some command for Kde to rebuild the menu, not just drop a .desktop file)
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17:35
<markit>
you mean don't startup epoptes client in the teacher's client? Is "by user" based (because I don't know in what PC the teacher will be)
17:36
I've to leave, see you soon and thanks (btw, Benchmarks? GREAT introduction!!!)
17:41
<work_alkisg>
markit: if you're not using ltsp-pnp, and you don't have epoptes in the chroot, you need to copy the application.desktop file and the icon
17:42
Hmm yes there should be a better way to do it with REMOTEAPPS_MENU_ITEMS etc
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18:43
<markit>
work_alkisg: back, google does not return anything for +"REMOTEAPPS_MENU_ITEMS"
18:44
work_alkisg: do you have handy the path of the epoptes icon?
18:48
mmm in fat client epoptes is not found even if is in usr/share/applications/ :(
18:48
I mean, in K is not present or searchable
18:50
I guess /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/epoptes.svg
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19:03
<work_alkisg>
markit: REMOTE_APPS_MENU_ITEMS
19:03* work_alkisg is not really online currently... :)
19:05
<markit>
work_alkisg: oh, sorry, I leave you alone :) good night, thanks
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19:29
<markit>
REMOTE_APPS_MENU_ITEMS seems not to work either
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20:47
<alkisg>
markit: did you manage to do it yet?
20:47
What do you have in REMOTE_APPS_MENU_ITEMS? "epoptes" ?
20:48
Do you also have REMOTEAPPS=True?
20:48
*REMOTE_APPS
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21:15
<markit>
work_alkisg: I'm investigating why in my workstation as soon as I create a .desktop file I can find typing in K menu, while not if I do in fat clients
21:15
and I've REMOTE_APPS=True and REMOTE_APPS_MENU=True and REMOTE_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=epoptes
21:16
but don't know what I should find in K menu (a submenu "remote apps"? Just remote app "epoptes" listed in it's usual place?)
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21:18
<markit>
mmm to find apps put in .local/share/applications I had to logout/in (while in my workstation I've not)
21:20
but seems to ignore /usr/share/applications/epoptes.desktop (where I can see the sed script worked fine)
21:20
permissions are ok like other .desktop there
21:52
<work_alkisg>
markit: ask a question in epoptes and i'll answer it as soon as possible, maybe monday...
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<markit>
thanks work_alkisg
22:14
well, I close irc chat ... I'll send you an email?
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