IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 December 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<sl00>
I have connected a USB headset to the client which shows up in the audio settings (and I get sound if I play something from youtube) but does not show up in the applications Ekiga and Twinkle. What could be the problem? Do I have to run the applications locally?
00:29
<johnny>
hmm..
00:29
well if you have flash running remotely.. that seems unlikely to have to do that
00:29
altho you will get better performance if you do
00:29
just depends on how fast your network is
00:29
and how fast your clients are
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<sl00>
johnny: But would the application see the USB headset just because I ran it locally?
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<johnny>
probably
00:31
but if your youtube does
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and it is running remotely
00:31
or rather.. your flahs plugin does
00:31
then it should work for other apps.. altho i'm not personally familiar
00:32
somebody else who who has done anything similiar should answer..
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<sl00>
Okey. Guess I have to try it locally and find out.
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<sl00>
johnny: How do I know if the application is sucessfuly ran locally?
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<johnny>
you'll not see it in the server ps list
00:46
and see it on a client ps list :)
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<sl00>
Hehe okey
00:54
I added LOCAL_APPS=True and LOCAL_APPS_WHITELIST="/usr/bin/ekiga". Is that enough?
00:56
Hm... still shows up in ps on the server.
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<cyberorg>
hi johnny :) looks like i missed a lot of action
01:11
<johnny>
sl00, it's by desktop name i think?
01:11
not path
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<johnny>
cyberorg, yes.. somebody didn't know how to rebuild image for kiwi
01:12
would be nice if there was some otehr kiwi people active in kiwi-ltsp
01:12
or more kiwi knowing people in here
01:13
<cyberorg>
yeah read up logs, and glad that they were pointed to wiki, it is quite easy to follow there
01:13
<sl00>
johnny: Both documentation and the lts.conf example file use full path for LOCAL_APPS_WHITELIST.
01:14
<johnny>
ah.. guess yo'ull have to wait for someobdy else
01:14
<sl00>
johnny: I am running alsamixer now on the client but the USB headset does not even show as a listed card there :/
01:15
<cyberorg>
i suspect either kiwi-ltsp is too easy for anyone to come on IRC for help or no one is using it :D
01:15
we had over 6
01:15
6K downloads of Li-f-e DVDs in first week of release so there must be some using ltsp on it
01:19
<Appiah>
:D
01:19
<cyberorg>
Appiah, did you manage to test it?
01:20
<Appiah>
I tried Suse kiwi-ltsp
01:20
not Li-f-e DVD
01:20
<cyberorg>
ah, try that one too :)
01:21
<Appiah>
ages ago since I tried , that time I couldnt quite get it to work
01:21
<cyberorg>
Appiah, you would be surprised how much things change in a point release
01:23
even nubae was surprised :)
01:25
http://www.nubae.com/opensuse-112-edu-a-true-thing-of-beauty
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<sl00>
How can I login/connect to my LTSP server from home (outside the office lan where the server is located)?
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<Appiah>
sl00: connect how?
02:31
desktop?
02:31
ssh?
02:31
<sl00>
Desktop.. so I can work from home just aswell as from the office.
02:32
<Appiah>
hmm
02:32
VPN ?
02:32
and X forwarding is what I would do
02:33
using LDM over VPN on a non-pxe booting client is something I have never done. Have yet to hear about it
02:33
<sl00>
Well is there a way to use PXE (or something).. so I do not need anything installed at the client at home?
02:33
<Appiah>
you cant really PXE over VPN
02:34
I was thinking on building a small client inside virtualbox/qemu , on boot up it starta a VPN connection , and in some way starts LDM
02:34
yet to look at it
02:34
<sl00>
So how does people use LTSP from outside...today?
02:35
<Appiah>
...
02:35
do they?
02:35
O_o
02:36
<sl00>
So LTSP is only for LAN?
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<Appiah>
Like I said , but I'm just one. I have yet to hear anyone using the same login (LDM) remote
02:37
People using XDMCP or VNC is no unusal
02:37
but that has really nothing todo with LTSP
02:37
same as my X forwarding
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<sl00>
Well.. what I want is to boot up my netbook at home and when I get the login screen I want to login to the server (which is the LTSP server) at the office. So that I have all my work etc. wherever I am located.
02:39
With minimum install on the client.. preferably just a USB-stick.
02:40
<Appiah>
there is solutions for that
02:40
but there is no solution provided by "ltsp"
02:41
http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg30104.html this is the one I read long ago
02:42
<sl00>
Okey
02:44
<cyberorg>
sl00, freenx to connect from outside
02:44
<Appiah>
is nx packaged yet in Suse and/or Debian/Ubutu?
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<cyberorg>
it is in opensuse
02:45
http://packages.opensuse-community.org/index.jsp?searchTerm=nx&distro=openSUSE_112
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<Appiah>
I see no ltsp-nx or similar
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<cyberorg>
Appiah, there is no ltsp-nx, nx is another remote desktop technology
02:51
http://en.opensuse.org/FreeNX_Server_HOWTO
02:51
<Appiah>
then I was right
02:51
there is no solution provided by ltsp for a remote connection
02:51
:)
02:51
<pts_>
anyone familiar with ltsp-cluster and know where I can find some comprehensive documentation? All I can find on ltsp.org and wiki.stgraber.org seems very shallow
02:53
<Appiah>
indeed
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<cyberorg>
Appiah, yes, nothing to do with ltsp :)
02:53
<Appiah>
pts_ I just setup ltsp-cluster and gonna try to doucment and show a "howto"
02:53
<cyberorg>
there is one on ubuntu wiki posted by asmo
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<sl00>
cyberorg: So FreeNX is something to use instead of LTSP to get thin clients locally and remotely?
02:54
<cyberorg>
here is a simple cluster we use based on get_hosts script in upstream docs http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Cluster
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<pts_>
I'm using Ubuntu as OS, but you think I would be better of using opensuse and the KIWI additions?
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<cyberorg>
sl00, nx does not do pxe boot, for that you need ltsp
02:56
pts_, i would be biased if you ask me :)
02:57
pts_, it should be same getting nx working on ubuntu also, install package, run scripts to set it up, process is quite simple
02:58
<pts_>
:) I see, well I'll try Ubuntu some more and see where it leads me
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<cyberorg>
you may have to change port nx uses as it conflicts with ssh port required by ltsp, not sure about that though
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<scottmaccal>
morning all!
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<cliebow_>
hi scott
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<scottmaccal>
cliebow: how goes the battle?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<antgel>
some of you may remember i had an issue on saturday with my thin clients not going to 1280x1024, rather they were at 1280x768. well i've now got ssh access to the client, and can pastebin the xorg log
09:58
the driver is intel by the way, not vesa as was suspected
09:59
http://pastebin.ca/1705658
10:01
http://pastebin.ca/1705662 is my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
10:02
you may recall that i'm 1) not getting the shell on 02, and 2) not getting the desired 1280x1024 resolution.
10:02
anybody got any input on how i might debug this?
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<ogra>
did you try removiong these strange tabs in front of the vars ?
10:04
<antgel>
ogra: "strange" tabs?
10:05
they are spaces
10:05
<Gadi>
antgel: are you using a DVI-VGA adapter?
10:05
<ogra>
well, i would remove them (i doubt that fixes it but you never know)
10:06* ogra isnt sure how well getltscfg parses the file if you use non std formatting
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<antgel>
Gadi: nope, VGA at both ends of the cable
10:07
<Gadi>
antgel: run xrandr
10:07
and pastebin the results
10:07
<antgel>
ogra: why is it non-standard? i followed the example of the first three (commented out) lines from the template
10:07
<Gadi>
most likely you have a spurrious channel that needs to be turned off
10:09
<antgel>
Gadi: i only have ssh access to the clients at the moment, should i install xrandr in the client chroot, or can i somehow get it to work from the server->client?
10:09* antgel is offsite
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<Gadi>
ah - can you actually ssh into the client itself?
10:10
<antgel>
Gadi: yep, that's how i got the xorg log
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<sbalneav>
Morning gadi
10:10
<Gadi>
ok
10:10
then, you should be able to:
10:10
export DISPLAY=:7
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export XAUTHORITY=/var/run/xauth-<something>
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and then, run xrandr
10:10* Gadi waves to sbalneav
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<antgel>
Gadi: ah, i've done it now - don't know why i couldn't find the xrandr binary first time
10:11
http://pastebin.ca/1705672
10:11
Gadi: back in 10
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<Gadi>
antgel: since you don't have the modes in xrandr, I suspect that you will need to force the horizontal and vertical sync frequencies
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<ogra>
yeah, smells like the monitor doesnt properly report DDC values
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<Ahmuck-Jr>
ogra, u testing lubuntu?
10:22
<ogra>
Ahmuck-Jr, i answered that one already :)
10:22
no, i dont
10:24
Ahmuck-Jr, its a community project ... the community is supposed to help testing
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<antgel>
hmm. does anybody know if debian lenny LTSP uses NFS or NBD?
10:29
by default
10:30
i see an NFS mount on the client - doesn't that mean that editing /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf is a waste of time - that's the NBD version, no?
10:30
<ogra>
it should still be read
10:30
<antgel>
okay
10:31
so /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf is deprecated
10:31
<ogra>
yes, but indeed you *can* use it
10:31
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf gets copied over /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf during boot
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<antgel>
*nod*
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<ogra>
if the first one doesnt exist the second one will apply
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<antgel>
i've been reading the xrandr parameters on page 40 ofthe PDF reference (section 15.3)
10:33
i don't see anything for forcing horizontal / vertical sync rates as Gadi suggested ^^
10:33
<ogra>
xrandr only uses what the monitor reports
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<antgel>
so how do i force it? custom xorg.conf?
10:33
<ogra>
lts.conf
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<Ahmuck-Jr>
oh, sorry, i did not see your answer
10:34
ur listed as the tester on the project
10:34
<ogra>
where ?
10:34
<antgel>
ah, X_VERTREFRESH and X_HORZSYNC
10:34
<ogra>
i didnt have anything to do with it apart from bringing it up when the community people asked
10:34
<antgel>
ogra: thanks, i'll try it
10:35
<ogra>
antgel, proper parameter ranges should be in your monitor handboot
10:35
*book
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<Ahmuck-Jr>
ogra: can't find it now
10:39
*shrugs*
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<antgel>
OH
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<antgel>
by the way, it's worth pointing out that when i type the xrandr commands from the command line (--newmode, --addmode, then --mode), the resolution changes to the correct one without me needing to put change any X server refresh rates
10:53
anyway i now have the rates in lts.conf, so let's reboot and try it out
10:54
okay, same result even with X_VERTREFRESH and X_HORZSYNC set correctly
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<Gadi>
antgel: what is the exact xrandr command that works for you?
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<alkisg>
"it's worth pointing out that when i type the xrandr commands from the command line (--newmode, --addmode, then --mode), the resolution changes to the correct one without me needing to put change any X server refresh rates" ==> yup that was really worth mentioning :)
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<antgel>
right, i'm now convinced lts.conf isn't being parsed. just added SCREEN_08=ldm but it's only running on :7 when i reboot the client. will remove the spaces at the start of each line
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<alkisg>
antgel: where do you put lts.conf ?
11:02
<antgel>
alkisg: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
11:02
<alkisg>
And can you post your dhcpd.conf ?
11:02
<antgel>
sure
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<Gadi>
xrandr is an Xclient - it is network transparent
11:03
sorry
11:03
had a backlog
11:03* Gadi is alittle all over the place today
11:03* Gadi crawls back to corner
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<antgel>
http://pastebin.ca/1705723 (it's included from the main dhcpd.conf which has nothing of note in)
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<alkisg>
Gadi (or stgraber or whoever else :)), whenever you have some time, please commit the halt/reboot patch... :)
11:04
<antgel>
Gadi: you're not the only one who's all over the place!
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<alkisg>
antgel: ok, did you try the xprop line I gave you the other day to get a local terminal?
11:05
<antgel>
alkisg: don't remember - could you repeat?
11:05
<alkisg>
(06:08:27 μμ) alkisg: antgel_: try this, from gnome-terminal: xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND xterm
11:06
<antgel>
alkisg: i don't have gnome on this server. also, i'm offsite at the moment, logged in via ssh FWIW
11:06
<alkisg>
OK, from konsole or whatever then...
11:06
How do you access the client then?
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<antgel>
well, i have no x terminal at all. i'm accessing the server via ssh, then ssh onto the client from the server
11:07
<alkisg>
(that command would only work from a thin client)
11:07
Wait, you have ssh access to the client?
11:07
<antgel>
yep :)
11:07
<alkisg>
Did you install ssh to the chroot?
11:07
<antgel>
yep
11:08
<alkisg>
And put a root password?
11:08
<antgel>
yep
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<alkisg>
Heh, nice
11:08
Then, as root on the client, run: getltscfg -a
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<antgel>
X_COLOR_DEPTH="16"
11:08
export X_COLOR_DEPTH
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<alkisg>
Yup that doesn't look good :)
11:09
Is that from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
11:09
<antgel>
alkisg: well, what do you know, it is
11:09* alkisg wonders why... hmm...
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<alkisg>
Do you have another dhcp server on your network?
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<alkisg>
(maybe even a rogue one, one that you don't know about?)
11:10
<antgel>
not on that subnet, there was one on the router but it is disabled
11:11
the only dhcp server on 192.168.21.0 is the ltsp server itself
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<alkisg>
Try this as root on the client: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
11:11
What do you get?
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<alkisg>
(the filename part...)
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<ogra>
alkisg, could it be that lenny didnt support lts.conf via tftp ?
11:12
<alkisg>
Lenny? Ah, I thought that was hardy, sorry...
11:12* ogra doesnt remember since when debian started to support it
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<antgel>
http://pastebin.ca/1705736
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<alkisg>
Yeah I think Lenny uses /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf via nfs
11:13
antgel: so just use that lts.conf :)
11:13
<ogra>
thats so old :)
11:13
(sorry Gadi, had to say that ... ) :)
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<antgel>
16:29 antgel> hmm. does anybody know if debian lenny LTSP uses NFS or NBD?
11:14
<ogra>
it uses NFS
11:15
still, support was added to debian to make use of tftp supplied lts.conf
11:15
but that might have happened past lenny release
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<antgel>
right, lts.conf is now being read, let's see what xrandr reports
11:28
new xrandr output is more interesting, but still selecting the wrong resolution
11:28
http://pastebin.ca/1705760
11:29
<alkisg>
What do you get by getltscfg -a now?
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<Gadi>
ah... now, you should be able to do: XRANDR_MODE_0 = "1280x1024"
11:30
<ogra>
yeah+
11:35
<rjune>
Hey all
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<antgel>
no change. i'll try XRANDR_MODE_01 as per the docs? (that is, 01 not 0)
11:37
no better, grr, feel like this is so near now! i'll remove the quotes
11:40
<Gadi>
it is XRANDR_MODE_0
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<antgel>
worked with X_MODE_0=1280x1024 not XRANDR_MODE_01=1280x1024 *shrug*
11:40
<Gadi>
not 01
11:41
<antgel>
hmm
11:41
<Gadi>
antgel: perhaps lenny predates XRANDR_MODE_0
11:41* Gadi knows not what version of LTSP lenny has
11:41
<antgel>
5.1.10
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<Gadi>
and do you have XRANDR_DISABLE = True?
11:42
<antgel>
nope
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<Gadi>
well, then X_MODE_0 == XRANDR_MODE_0
11:43
<antgel>
heh
11:43
it works, i'm a very happy camper, and thanks to various people here, always a good channel
11:44
<Gadi>
just out of curiosity...
11:44
you still sshd into the client?
11:44
<antgel>
yep
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<Gadi>
can you: grep Mode /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf
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<antgel>
grep: /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf: No such file or directory
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<Gadi>
interesting
11:46
do you still have the SYNC params?
11:46
<ogra>
lenny ...
11:46
<Gadi>
like X_HORZSYNC?
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<antgel>
Gadi: yep
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<ehrenpr>
anyone here familiar with kiwi-ltsp?
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<sbalneav>
!seen cyberorg
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: cyberorg was last seen in #ltsp 13 hours, 6 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <cyberorg> you may have to change port nx uses as it conflicts with ssh port required by ltsp, not sure about that though
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<ehrenpr>
anyone have any tips on setting up a X64 edubuntu server with i386 clients?
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<sbalneav>
ehrenpr: What tips are you looking for?
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other than ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
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<ehrenpr>
nothing in particular, I just wondered if anyone had any things they encountered that someone without that much experience might encounter.
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<sbalneav>
Well, that's a little vague :)
18:37
Got 10 years? Pull up a chair :)
18:37
Just start doin' it. When you get stuck, shout :)
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<ehrenpr>
sorry. I guess for starters, if I am going to install a application into the chroot, does that need to be i386?
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<sbalneav>
Are you planning on running localapps?
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if so, then yes, you'll need 32 bit apps in a 32 bit chroot.
18:39
<ehrenpr>
firefox and flash
18:40
Ok Im installing right now, so youll probably here back from me soon. Thanks
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<ehrenpr>
sbalneav how do I install nvidia drivers into the chroot, I have a couple of clients needing those drivers.
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<sbalneav>
ehrenpr: After you have your chroot:
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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apt-get install blah
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exit
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ltsp-update-image
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docs here will help you:
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!docs
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<ehrenpr>
Ok thanks. I let you know how it goes
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<vagrantc>
hmmm... sounds like there's some wireless support in gPXE now...
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<alkisg>
Good morning
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<cyberorg>
moin alkisg :)