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Channel log from 20 May 2014   (all times are UTC)

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07:45
<DanSwano>
hello all
07:46
I'm continuing to fix Xorg problems on some of our machines
07:46
Now I have another problem: Invalid argument for -config
07:46
I can't see full xinit commandline but I think it's correct
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12:15
<DanSwano>
hello all
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12:15
<DanSwano>
I'm continuing to fix Xorg problems on some of our machines
12:16
Now I have another problem: Invalid argument for -config
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12:22
<bennabiy>
alkisg: Would the hash get lost if it was set in ssh.c?
12:24
Are the variables declared in _set_env() not passed to the rc scripts?
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<bennabiy>
as in, could we add gchar *passhash; to the def of ssh_info in plugins/ssh/ssh.h, and then under _set_env() - setenv("LDM_HASHED_PASSWORD", sshinfo->hashpass, 1); and then have a simple call to crypt to hash the pass obtained and set in sshinfo->password?
13:08
no temp files created, and the different variables could be unset when needed.
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13:28
<der_baer>
arg there is an parsing error for the lts.conf witch destroys my coustom /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf. witch looks like this:
13:28
[00:01:2e:4e:54:81]
13:28
SCREEN_02 = shell
13:28
SCREEN_05 = 'xfreerdp'
13:28
RDP_SERVER = '10.112.42.152'
13:28
RDP_OPTIONS = '-f --ignore-certificate --no-nla'
13:28
but after booting /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp_config_env lokks like this:
13:28
root@ltsp51:~# cat /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp_config_env
13:28
''''''SCREEN_02="shell"
13:28
SCREEN_05="xfreerdp"
13:28
RDP_SERVER="10.112.42.152"
13:28
RDP_OPTIONS="-f --ignore-certificate --no-nla"
13:29
NBD_ROOT_HOST=10.112.42.147
13:29
NBD_ROOT_NAME=ltsp_i386
13:29
<bennabiy>
der_baer: please use pastebin for these kind of outputs
13:29
<der_baer>
SERVER=10.112.42.147
13:29
SCREEN_07="ldm"
13:29
<bennabiy>
!pastebin
13:29
<ltsp>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
13:30
<der_baer>
bennabiy: sorry ok next time
13:30
<bennabiy>
der_baer: What distro?
13:30
<der_baer>
System Ubuntu 12.04 ltsp-stand-alone
13:32
<bennabiy>
Is this with a thin client, or fat client image?
13:32
<der_baer>
bennabiy: thinclint image (ltsp-build-client -arch i386)
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13:34
<der_baer>
the funny thing is that deep in my mind I remember that i stumbeld over this error within my ltsp-cluster installtion, but i did not document how ore where i fixt it. ARGG
13:34
<bennabiy>
der_baer: this might not seem important, but try setting your values in lts.conf as SCREEN_02="shell" with no spaces, and double quotes
13:35
der_baer: Is it only happening on the one client specified?
13:38
<der_baer>
bennabiy: i just have on client for testing but this client is working correct within the lltsp-cluster enviroment
13:39
<bennabiy>
der_baer: I am unfamiliar with ltsp-cluster. There might be aspects of it which are broken in newer releases. I would ask alkisg about it.
13:39
<der_baer>
yeah but this on is a fresh standalone installtion
13:40
<bennabiy>
ahh, when you said client, I took it as client image, not the physical hardware
13:41
So you generated a new client image using ltsp-build-client --arch i386?
13:41
<der_baer>
ohh ok without any spaces and qouts at least ltsp_config_env looks correct
13:41
<bennabiy>
Yes, are you able to log in now?
13:42
Is it rdp you are having issues with?
13:45
<der_baer>
yep the goal is to get rdp only clients
13:47
<bennabiy>
Hmm.. I have not done much with RDP so far...
13:48
I will be doing more with it soon, but perhaps someone else has more specifics on getting it working
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<der_baer>
ok it working so fare thank for the tip with the qoutes
13:53
<bennabiy>
no problem :)
13:53
good luck with it
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14:32
<championofcyrodi>
ltsp.org is not really responding to web requests. :\
14:32
(for me)
14:45
<Hyperbyte>
Retry.
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14:56
<bennabiy>
alkisg: did you see my suggestion above?
14:56
welcome by the way :)
14:56
<alkisg>
Hi bennabiy, hi all
14:57
Just a quick glance... I really don't want to study ldm internals, i've been carefully avoiding it for the past years :)
14:57
<bennabiy>
I do not blame you :)
14:57
<alkisg>
(because that effort would better go to replacing LDM with something that uses PAM)
14:58
So, for me, no LDM, ltsp-cluster, nbd-proxy, udhcp...
14:58
localdev, localapps... etc etc :)
14:59* alkisg doesn't use/care about more than 50% of the current LTSP code :D
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<bennabiy>
at what point does the code get compiled, as far as ldm is concerned?
15:01
does it happen on the local machine, or at launchpad?
15:02
I should be able to update the code, and then do a make make install (I seem to recall seeing Makefiles in the code...)
15:03
<alkisg>
apt-get source ldm; apt-get build-dep ldm; cd ldm; debuild -b -tc
15:03
That gives you a .deb
15:04
.deb files usually get generated in launchpad
15:04
But of course you can create one locally
15:04
<bennabiy>
I pulled the source from launchpad, but was not sure which the best way to test code changes
15:04
<ogra_>
alkisg, apt-get source -b ldm
15:05
thats the equivalent one liner of the above ;)
15:05
<alkisg>
ldm-trunk at launchpad doesn't have the debian/ dir
15:05
ogra_: cool
15:05
<bennabiy>
ah, good point
15:05
but would apt-get source ldm get me the current version of code?
15:06
<alkisg>
ogra_: that doesn't do `build-dep` though
15:06
<ogra_>
alkisg, hmm, it should
15:06
<alkisg>
The man page only mentions about compiling...
15:07
<ogra_>
well, then it would be: apt-get build-dep ldm; apt-get source -b
15:07
+ldm
15:07
<alkisg>
OK, I still prefer the long way because that way one can re-compile without re-running apt-get source... :D
15:07
<ogra_>
point is apt-get sourc ecan do a build automatically with -b
15:07
<alkisg>
So one less flag to remember :)
15:08
bennabiy: no, it would get you the source that maps to the distro/version you're using
15:08
You can also manually download the debian tree from vagrantc's bazaar branch...
15:08
Or you can use a launchpad recipe
15:09
E.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+recipe/ldm-trunk-daily
15:09
<bennabiy>
How much has the codebase changed since trusty?
15:09
<alkisg>
The downside there, is long waiting
15:09
<bennabiy>
since what is in trusty?
15:09
<alkisg>
I don't think ldm has been changed at all
15:10
<bennabiy>
so it should be fine to grab the source from apt-get then, and then just update my branch for ldm.
15:11
<alkisg>
Basically you need the ldm source, from wherever, ldm-trunk or apt-get source,
15:11
and the debian dir from wherever, ldm-debian-packaging branch or apt-get source
15:12
And a debuild -b -tc inside those
15:17
<championofcyrodi>
Hyperbyte: website is responding quite fast now.
15:17
<Hyperbyte>
championofcyrodi, good. I restarted apache. :)
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15:22
<bennabiy>
hmm, fresh install with ltsp-update-image --cleanup / is not working
15:23
tftp failing
15:26
<alkisg>
Which tftp? tftpd-hpa?
15:26
<bennabiy>
yes
15:26* alkisg doesn't ever use that one either :)
15:26
<championofcyrodi>
i always have to bounce either nbd-server or tftpd-hpa services
15:27
<alkisg>
Hopefully those daemons that are broken in upstart, will be OK with the systemd change...
15:27
<bennabiy>
alkisg: what are you using for tftp?
15:27
<alkisg>
dnsmasq, for dns/dhcp/tftp
15:28
!ltsp-pnp
15:28
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
15:28
<alkisg>
I'm more or less using the instructions from there
15:29
<bennabiy>
If doing dual nic, do I need the ipappend?
15:29
<alkisg>
You only need ipappend if you're using an unmanaged router for the dhcp server
15:30
<bennabiy>
I would be using isc-dhcp-server
15:31
<alkisg>
Sure, whatever suits you
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16:31
<bennabiy>
Now before I get grilled over the fire again, how are we doing whitespace? spaces or tabs?
16:32
<alkisg>
4 spaces
16:32* alkisg would prefer tabs for shell scripts, as it's part of their posix syntax...
16:36
<vagrantc>
posix defines tabs?
16:36
<alkisg>
Posix defines the semantics of <<-EOF, which mentions tabs
16:36
<<-EOF doesn't work with spaces, it only works with tabs
16:37
"If the operator is “<<-” instead of “<<”, then leading tabs in the here-doc-text are stripped."
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And of course it would be lame to use tabs in here-docs for indentation, and spaces elsewhere...
16:39
<vagrantc>
huh
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16:39
<alkisg>
Also, tabs save disk space and network bandwidth :P
16:41
<championofcyrodi>
because they're a single character!
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<||cw>
best reason for tabs is that it lets the developer display it however they like using their editor's option
17:06
<vagrantc>
i find technical reasons more compelling
17:07
not sure why exactly, i've always preferred spaces...
17:07
<bennabiy>
so tabs vs spaces ~= lean vs bloat ;)
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17:09
<bennabiy>
spaces it is
17:09
<vagrantc>
i think the predictibility of a space is why i've always liked them...
17:09
the fact that tabs can change depending on how youre viewing them has really messed e up on many occasions.
17:09
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: did you used to do ascii art?
17:10
<||cw>
technically, whitespace is not required at all, unless you're doing python
17:10
so it's really purely a preference, and any technical claim on that is a mask
17:10
<vagrantc>
whitespace is pretty required :P
17:10
<wouter>
vagrantc: why would it matter what the code looks like on someone else's system?
17:11
<vagrantc>
wouter: i use many systems to review code, and some are not very flexible about what a tab looks like
17:12
<wouter>
ah, yes, well
17:12
<vagrantc>
i.e. browsing a vcs in a web browser, or a pastebin, etc.
17:12
overall, it seems silly to be so opinionated. but here i am.
17:18
<championofcyrodi>
Anyone familiar with the gnome-keyring on LTSP?
17:18
<vagrantc>
championofcyrodi: fat client or thin client?
17:18
<championofcyrodi>
fat
17:18
oh btw... I'm running fat clients on intel NUCs
17:19
<vagrantc>
what distro?
17:19
<championofcyrodi>
ubuntu 14.04
17:19* vagrantc is just collecting useful information, has no idea how to solve
17:19
<championofcyrodi>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1320982
17:20
i made a bug, since I don't think it should be creating temp files until the disk is full.
17:20
I'm just hoping to provide more/better information in the bug report
17:20
<vagrantc>
yeah, thanks for the bug
17:20
<championofcyrodi>
Since I don't know C/C++ syntax
17:20
<vagrantc>
i wonder if you're using ldap... does it prioritize LDAP over the local users?
17:21
<championofcyrodi>
in the /etc/nsswitch.conf? no, the order is compat sss
17:21
<vagrantc>
try switching it around
17:21
<championofcyrodi>
where compat is some kind of variant to 'files'
17:21
hmm good idea.
17:21
<vagrantc>
right
17:22
LDM creates a local user in addition to LDAP, so maybe gnome-keyring isn't handling that well.
17:22
<championofcyrodi>
perhaps. I'll update the image and give that a try
17:22
brb
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<championofcyrodi>
Looks like this:
17:24
passwd: compat sss
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group: compat sss
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shadow: compat
17:24
alkisg mentioned that the LTSP client only copies the passwd file and not shadow file, which is why gnome locking fails
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<championofcyrodi>
*screen locking
17:25
here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1316320
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<vagrantc>
right
17:28
why don't you check ldap for shadow?
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<bennabiy>
vagrantc, alkisg: What c standard are we adhering to?
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<cyberorg>
championofcyrodi, i've tried "ltsp-remoteapps gnome-screensaver" in /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver script and "ltsp-remoteapps gnome-screensaver-command $@" in gnome-screensaver-command script, it works
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<championofcyrodi>
sorry... just carted in a 5000VA UPS from the delivery guy :P
18:00
cyberorg: i actually switched to using xscreensaver, and it seems to work okay
18:02
vagrantc: On second thought, i think that perhaps there is a different issue. the Keyring is asking to set a password for the new keyring, at which point it is hanging. (Not verification of an existing password)
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<santos>
I am having a little issue installing anything in the chroot
20:10
I use apt-get install and the it tells me it needs a lot of dependencies
20:10
that what apt is forrrrrrrr
20:10
hehehe any tips?
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<bennabiy>
santos: you might want to try aptitude if you want easy dependency checking...
20:13
<santos>
try to install it same deal
20:13
aptitude needs dependecies .... and there I go again
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<bennabiy>
try putting a sample of the output you are getting on pastebin, and then link it here
20:17
alkisg, vagrantc: is it ok to include a dependency to <crypt.h>
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<santos>
http://pastebin.com/sYiDJsz9
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<bennabiy>
santos: looks like something you tried to install did not finish. Did you try doing what it says to do?
20:19
sudo apt-get install -f
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<santos>
was trying to install saucy
20:20
<bennabiy>
from?
20:20
I am sure there is an easier way to do it...
20:21
Is this for a thin client image?
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sudo ltsp-build-client --dist=saucy
20:21
<santos>
yes
20:21
<bennabiy>
will pull you a saucy thinclient chroot
20:22
<santos>
how can I update my ltsp version?
20:22
<vagrantc>
santos: you probably have a mix of sources.list entries or something that result in unresolvable dependencies?
20:22
<santos>
i have 3.2
20:22
you got it
20:22
<bennabiy>
ltsp 3.2?
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<vagrantc>
santos: start at the beginning...
20:23
santos: what did you originally try to do?
20:23
what os were you running, what commands did you run...
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<santos>
check this
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http://pastebin.com/LKzXQADs
20:24
I have edubuntu 12.04
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<vagrantc>
santos: looks like an incomplete install
20:24
<santos>
installed the ltsp from the setup
20:24
<vagrantc>
it never finished installing ltsp-client or ltsp-client-core
20:24
<santos>
somedays ago I tried to update to saucy cuz hdmi wasn't wrking on a thin client I have
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<vagrantc>
"from the setup" ??
20:25
<santos>
yeah when is istalling the system
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<vagrantc>
from the CD install?
20:26
<santos>
from the iso
20:26
<vagrantc>
got it
20:26
a poorly timed glitch in network connectivity might have broken your install.
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<santos>
how do I set everything back
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<vagrantc>
either try reinstalling from scratch, or at least removing the broken ltsp install and manually installing it
20:27
<santos>
got it
20:27
thanks man
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<vagrantc>
sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp ; sudo ltsp-build-client <options>
20:28
<santos>
this is a test machine
20:28
<vagrantc>
or just reinstall from scratch ... make sure your install media is good.
20:28
you have decent network connectivity?
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<santos>
no
20:32
dominican republic
20:32
hehehehehe
20:32
will try it later thanks
20:32
<vagrantc>
beuna suerte
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20:38
<softlopes>
hi
20:39
im brazilian
20:39
ihelp-me please
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<bennabiy>
vagrantc: do you see anything wrong with including crypt.h in ssh.c includes?
20:39
<softlopes>
ops
20:39
<bennabiy>
!ask
20:39
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
20:39
<softlopes>
help me please
20:40
<bennabiy>
softlopes: please include more information like distribution, what you need help with, type of system, etc.
20:41
<softlopes>
I need the tutorial of install LTSP 5 on Debian 7 whyzee
20:42
could you please pass me the link of the step by step tutorial of install LTSP 5.4 in debian 7 whyzee
20:43
please help me
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<alkisg>
bennabiy: yup it's ok to include <crypt.h>
21:21
About code identation, standards etc, there's a readme file somewhere in -trunk that mentions the decisions of the team some years ago...
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./ldm-trunk/README-DEVELOPMENT-POLICY
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./ltsp-trunk/common/doc/CodingStyle
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Haha it's almost the same file except for the last 2 lines... yet it has a different name in those trees
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