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Channel log from 11 May 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<Hyperbyte>
Hrm.... there's a lot of garbage leftover ltspfs mounts on the server, in /tmp/.<user>-ltspfs/ directories
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I assume this isn't normal?
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There are 80 leftover mountpoints from five users, who have long since then logged out and turned off their thin client
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<Hyperbyte>
Ah, bah... I think I just need to switch to NFS anyways. LTSP server mounts home from NFS too, I don't need ltspfs
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: ltspfs is the "opposite" from nfs.
04:18
Nfs = mount server dirs to the client
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ltspfs = mount client dirs to the server
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So e.g. if you sit on a thin client and plug in a usb stick, you need to "transfer" it with ltspfs on your session on the server to see it
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<ben__>
hi all
04:57
today I can't get nbd swap working on a new install
04:57
Debian Squeeze
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<ben__>
ah, okay, I'm on the trail, it's a vserver issue
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<alkisg>
vserver? This one? http://linux-vserver.org
05:07
Like lxc?
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<ben__>
it a similar method to lxc yes
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but a bit more featureful
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I've just got it working, /proc/cmdline was hidden from the guest server
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unhiding it nbdswap now works
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I've nearly got a complete howto of how to go from nothing to a Debian Squeeze based vserver host with an LTSP guest server installed
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<ben__>
hey all, I've a new problem now
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<ben__>
I'm running iceweasel as a local app, but now it doesn't produce any sound
06:29
well, the non-free flash plugin doesn't produce any sound
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which it did on the host
06:33
any ideas?
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<mgariepy>
ben__, you can run xterm as a local app then start iceweasel from there maybe you will have output in the console
06:36
<ben__>
true mgariepy, will do
06:36
I've installed flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound in the client chroot now also, still doesn't work
06:38
wow, xterm run of iceweasel is producing lots of output
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<veloutin>
hello mgariepy
06:38
<mgariepy>
hello veloutin
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<ben__>
right, I can get sound locally, but I need to turn off pulseaudio on the client
07:04
is there any way round this?
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I'm sure pulse doesn't need to completely lock the alsa backend, but appears to
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<ben__>
I'm not having much luck with this
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<Gadi>
ben__: do you have pasuspender in the chroot?
07:33
<Ghidorah>
Anyone know what might cause a "Kernel panic - not syncing" when booting a terminal?
07:33
Just completed the image build.
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<ben__>
pasuspender Gadi, no
07:42
do I just need to install it or is there anything else?
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<Gadi>
ben__: well, I am surprised that your alsa is not already set up to redirect to pulse. But, if you want to workaround it, you can install pulseaudio-utils in the client and launch: pasuspender -- iceweasel (or some such)
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<ben__>
Gadi, where do I get this pasuspender?
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<Gadi>
and that will suspend pulse for iceweasel
07:43
<ben__>
okay
07:43
cheers
07:44
how would I set up alsa to redirect to pulse?
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ah, pasuspender was there
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"well, I am surprised that your alsa is not already set up to redirect to pulse"
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is there a client setup for this?
07:49
something I do in the root?
07:50
something I do in the chroot?
07:55
BIAB
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<ben__>
Gadi, pasuspend works well thankyou for that
08:13
pasuspender rather
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<Gadi>
ben__: sorry - was afk and now I gotta run - but glad to see it worked!!
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:)
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cheers
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<Ghidorah>
Has anyone worked with LTSP-Cluster and Ubuntu 11.04? I keep getting this error in my lbserver log
10:28
Cannot retrieve node 'white', error:<class 'socket.timeout'>
10:28
Also
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localhost - - [11/May/2011 13:27:55] "GET /?group=default HTTP/1.0" 200 -
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<Ghidorah>
If it helps, loadbalancing isn't working. It uses the root server as its app server.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
has anybody gotten unity to work with LTSP yet?
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: I haven't tried, but do you have 3d on your clients?
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<Ghidorah>
Is anyone running LTSP-Cluster here? If so, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: if not, you might want to try unity-2d instead
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<mgariepy>
Ghidorah, i currently have jaunty,lucid and maverick
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Ghidorah, does ltsp-cluster-lbagent running on the applications server ?
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<Ghidorah>
mgariepy: I have it installed.
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<mgariepy>
is it running ?
11:08
ps aux|grep lbagent
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<Ghidorah>
let me verify
11:10
It is running
11:15
In the log file for the agent I have
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Reload variable : NBX11SESS at 60 Reload variable : USERS at 70 Reload variable : NBUSERS at 70 Reload variable : NBX11SESS at 70
11:15
it just keeps going up
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<mgariepy>
Ghidorah, i'm currently on a emergency, i'll help you a bit later.
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<Ghidorah_>
Sounds good. Thanks for you assistance and good luck!
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<mgariepy>
so
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<mgariepy>
Ghidorah_, can you try to telnet <your appsrv> 8000
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from the loadbalancer
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<Ghidorah_>
k lemmie try
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<mgariepy>
and i would like to see your /etc/ltsp/lbserver.xml please
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<Ghidorah_>
Unable to connect on telnet
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rather it just says trying
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<mgariepy>
do you have a firewall between your server?
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<Ghidorah_>
No
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<mgariepy>
one the applications server : netstat -taunp | grep LISTEN
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or grep 8000
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is it listening ?
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<Ghidorah_>
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
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yes
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<mgariepy>
from localhost it works? with telnet ?
11:53
<roasted_>
dear ltsp developers. friday we had a meeting with several school districts in the area who are beginning to consider open source alternatives due to increasingly slashed budgets.
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<Ghidorah_>
works on localhost
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<roasted_>
I brought up ltsp as being a huge success for our district. one or two of the nearby districts may come check out the setup and see what I have done with it.
11:54
which ultimately stems down to the users in this chat who helped me even get my LTSP setup off the ground.
11:54
you rock, and I owe each of you a beer if you ever come to pennsylvania, usa.
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<Ghidorah_>
mgariepy: http://pastebin.com/4p1f4r8j
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<mgariepy>
Ghidorah_, the name resolv correctly on ltsp-loadbalancer01 ?
11:56
er. loadbalancer
11:56
sorry old habbits haha
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<alkisg>
roasted_: nice to hear that LTSP is working ok for you :)
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<Ghidorah_>
mgariepy: Yes
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I can nmap the app server too
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and it shows it listening
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<mgariepy>
but the telnet doesn't works
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<Ghidorah_>
No sir.
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<Ghidorah_>
Actually I lied.
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From loadbalancer... nmap does not show port 8000 listening on appsrv1
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<mgariepy>
are you sure you don't have a fw between them ?
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<Ghidorah_>
Is it possible that the lbagent crashes?
12:01
they're both on the same VMWare host and same vlan
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I just restarted the lbagent again
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and now I'm able to telnet to it
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from the loadbalancer
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<mgariepy>
never tested it in vmware but it should work fine.
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<roasted_>
alkisg, mucho thanks to your patience with me setting it up. thanks again bro.
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<abeehc>
vlanbugfyi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/658460
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<mgariepy>
Ghidorah_, does your lbserver works now?
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<Ghidorah_>
siiiiiiigh mgariepy discovered something far worse and noobish
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if I change the IP address on a app server do I have to update any images or sshkeys?
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<mgariepy>
Ghidorah_, no
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<pvthodson>
has anyone here set up a ltsp server to work over a site to site bridged vpn?
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<Ghidorah_>
mgariepy: thank you for your help!
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<pvthodson>
can anyone help with my question
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<Ghidorah_>
pvthodson: usually someone responds if they have something to offer
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and sometimes that can be a while after you type your question
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<alkisg>
pvthodson: also, if you have some specific question, it'd be better to ask that instead
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<pvthodson>
I did
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"has anyone here set up a ltsp server to work over a site to site bridged vpn?
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<alkisg>
E.g. I've heard of people running ltsp over vpn. But I can't answer *your* question
12:36
So while I know it works, I can't say "yes" to your question
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<Ghidorah_>
pvthodson: If I remember correctly, at LTSP Bootcamp I was told that it is best to keep on a local LAN
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<pvthodson>
yes that makes sence for security purposes but I am doing this strictly for testing
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<abeehc>
no it makes sense for performance
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<Ghidorah_>
wow now that I got this LTSP-Cluster working, I feel like I should take a vacation!
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This project is going to save me so much grief. Thanks for your help #ltsp
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<pvthodson>
What are proven methods for using ltsp over a wan (ie. VPN, Tunneling, PPTP) ?
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<vagrantc>
latency could really be a blocker
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<pvthodson>
both locations have buisness lines
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<vagrantc>
what's that mean?
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<veloutin>
mgariepy: have we tried running ltsp clients across offices?
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<vagrantc>
pvthodson: does your connection get latency better or worse than a typical 10/100 LAN?
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<mgariepy>
accross office, you shoud use nx or something like that..
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veloutin, only on great wan fiber network ;)
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<pvthodson>
Im not familiar with NX is it similar to ltsp
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<veloutin>
did it work well through the fiber?
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<abeehc>
i'm using nx for remote users to access their linux desktops
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while it's on the ltsp-server, it has little to do with ltsp
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i think the performance is a touch better than m$ rdp; but i'm biased
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<pvthodson>
Yeah just some quick search told me that, seems to be just a remote desktop solutions really
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<Ghidorah_>
abeehc: Do you have a web frontend for the NX clients?
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<pvthodson>
That would be interesting
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would it be possible to have a web based client for ltsp?
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<alkisg>
LTSP is about remove booting
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If you have a web browser running, you're looking for a remote desktop solution
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Here's the edubuntu demo that uses nx: http://edubuntu.org/vmmanager
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You can try that
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*s/remove/remote
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<abeehc>
Ghidorah_: yes, that's all i've used to this point
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well no i tried the linux client; but the web one works jsut as well and it's a touch more intuitive for endusers
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<Ghidorah_>
abeehc: Nice! Do you have any resources that you used to set that up?
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<abeehc>
again it's had to call it a "web based client for ltsp" - it's nx, and there's really no ltsp involvement
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alkisg was my initial resource for the 3 commands to install nx
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from the google ppa (neatx) i think
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then, you can just grab the web client from here http://www.nomachine.com/download-companion.php?os=linux
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<Ghidorah_>
What issues have you experienced with it?
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<abeehc>
if you get that far and have trouble ping me. the tar comes with a readme, but essentialy I used the native linux client to create a profile, then i deployed it to the same folder
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we've been testing for about a month, lightly.. nothing at all so far
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I'm not clear how it's going to handle users that neglect to log out of ltsp, go home and fire up the web client
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<Ghidorah_>
Are you a school env?
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<abeehc>
no private company
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my mistake that package has no readme, the doc i used was this: http://www.nomachine.com/documents/plugin/install.html
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i had to fight with apache virtualroots/paths for a bit, i think that was a direct result of going with the tar package but if you've battled that type of stuff before it won't be an issue
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<alkisg>
abeehc: what was the problem with the linux client? its menus?
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*dialogs?
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<abeehc>
yeah it was a bit more conveluted.. i mean it's more powerful and I'm sure you can pre-package sessions for users
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but in the end that web client works so well, and you can easily pre-define the session settings
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so i don't mean to say the linux client is useless or has any problems really, it worked well
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<pvthodson>
So connecting to ltsp over wan is not really a good solutions but what about some way of syncing to ltsp servers that are at different locations?
13:31* alkisg thinks it'd be best to describe your situation in more detail, so that someone here can suggest what would best suit you
13:34
<pvthodson>
Basically if I had two ltsp server running in different locations could I then sync them so that they had the same data. That way a user that used both location would have the same experience.
13:35
<alkisg>
Sure, you could, but it depends on your actual use case if that would make sense or not
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<alkisg>
How many users/clients, network speed etc
13:37
<pvthodson>
Say about 20 max clients, both sites having buisness class lines
13:37
<Ghidorah_>
What does business class line mean?
13:38Nick change: Ghidorah_ -> Ghidorah
13:38
<alkisg>
I'm not familiar with "business class", what are its specs?
13:38
<pvthodson>
Comcast buisness, I think its like 50d and 5u
13:39
<alkisg>
And, you mean 2 ltsp servers with 20 clients each?
13:39
<pvthodson>
yes
13:39
<alkisg>
How would you handle the home directories? You'd sync those too?
13:40
E.g. someone there might login on one site and then on the other site? Or they'd always login on the same site?
13:40
<pvthodson>
Well sync the servers would in turn sync the home directories right?
13:40
<alkisg>
If you want
13:40
50d => that's mbit/sec? kb/sec? what?
13:41
<pvthodson>
mb
13:41
i haven't seen specs in kb since the dialup days lol
13:42
<alkisg>
mb == megabyte
13:42
It's usually measured in mbit
13:42
kb=kilobyte, not kilobit
13:42
Anyway, ok, it sounds feasible
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13:43
<pvthodson>
but what method would be used to sync the servers so changes made on one server would then be affected on the other and vise versa
13:46
<Appiah>
there a mangament tools for that
13:46
they are not ltsp specific
13:46
<pvthodson>
called
13:46
<Appiah>
like puppet
13:47
but I never used any of them since I only managed about 2-3 ltsp servers and it's not worth the hassle
13:47
I think webmin has some kind of feature for that too
13:47
but I dont trust webmin to much so never tried it
13:47
<pvthodson>
yeah don't trust it much either
13:49
<vagrantc>
50 download, 5 upload ... so to sync the two servers you'd get at most 5
13:50
<pvthodson>
which is fine cause I would expect a mass amount of data storage given the nature of an ltsp server in general
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13:51
<pvthodson>
I am trying to find info online for a program to use but I don't think my terminology is going to get the right results what would you suggest searching for>
13:52
?
13:52
<Appiah>
managment softwares?
13:53
search for similar things to puppet and landscape
13:53
and cfengine
13:56
<pvthodson>
just curious but do you authenticate user locally on the ltsp server or do you use some kind of ldap kerberos method?
13:57
I heard samba 4 could be combined with ltsp for home folder storage and user authentication?
13:57
<Appiah>
ldap on moste sites
13:57
most*
13:57
else just locally
13:59* vagrantc would say locally on most sites, and ldap where they bother to configure it
14:03
<pvthodson>
have any you heard of combining ltsp and samba 4 for home folder storage and authentication
14:04
<alkisg>
Nope, ltsp uses ssh for authentication
14:04
If you want to combine 2 or more ltsp servers, then ltsp is not related to that part there
14:13
<pvthodson>
Im talking about where it authenticates to not really the means of authentication
14:13
<abeehc>
pvthodson: i use likewise, which in some respect brings togther samba and ltsp
14:14
then again it's sorta like nx, really has nothing to do with ltsp
14:15
<pvthodson>
that looks very interesting im more or less looking for a centeral authentication instead of locally on each server
14:16
<abeehc>
likewise is only worthwhile if you are integrating into existing active directory; otherwise i would look elsewhere
14:17
<pvthodson>
While were on the subject what management options does it provide for mac users? If integrating into a existing ad
14:18
<abeehc>
i don't know, i think osx comes stock with that ability, but i'm sure it sucks
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14:20
<Ghidorah>
Does anyone know if the logs in LTSP-Cluster Control Center can sent to syslog?
14:20
can be*
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14:32
<andygraybeal>
abeehc, hi :)
14:35
<abeehc>
hey!~
14:35
http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/index-live.html - live io ;O
14:42
<Ghidorah>
nice!
14:49
<andygraybeal>
what is this abeehc?
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15:06
<abeehc>
it's a live feed from that google io conference.. maybe it's ending soon i'm not sure
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