IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 November 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<jernst>
hello, I have an edgy server install and I installed ltsp-server-standalone, clients are booting ok but cannot log on to GNOME
01:39
I'm quite confused because I found diverging informations
01:40
I thought I shouls install ubuntu-desktop into the ltsp chroot but now I'm wondering if I should install it in the server space
01:40
same question for the users
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<sep>
jernst, you usuanly install the desktop on the server, the chroot it just a minimal x server that connects to the X of the server
01:41
<jernst>
sep: so applications have to be installed outside the chroot (firefox, etc.) ?
01:43
does it mean that before muekow you had to install thing in the chroot and now it has to be done on the server ?
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<sep>
jernst, yes
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<jernst>
How come in http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
01:44
You can read:
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chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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apt-get install mozilla-firefox
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<sep>
jernst, no. before muekow the chroot was it's own distribution, a spesific rhish version,it still connected to the server. took a lot of extra space. after muekow you can use the servers own distro in the chroot. saves on packages. and easier to adapt
01:46
jernst, it's just an example. forinstance if you want to run firefox locally.
01:46
jernst, or if you run diskless workstations instead of thin clients you must do it that way ofcouse
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<jernst>
sep: thanks for this infos, I will rm -rf my chroot and then recreate it and install ubuntu-desktop on the server (I guess the client could not login because there was no X on the server)
01:47
<sep>
jernst, probably becouse you had no users in your chroot
01:48
if you added users there you might have made diskless workstations.
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<jernst>
sep: yes I have users in the chroot and the can login in the VTs
01:50
sep: but if I understood you correctly I don't need users in the chroot as they will login trough ssh on the server ?
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<sep>
correct
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<jernst>
thanks sep, will try asap
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<Mathesis>
hi
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02:29
that distribution recommends for ltsp the one that you have but support as far as ltsp
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<psycodad>
heya, moin. A prolly stupid question: If I want a station to run the command "xset m 1/10" at any startup, where would I place it ? In the ~/.xinitrc ?
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<ninou>
do you know if ltspfs mounts usb keys with sync option ?
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<McPolo>
Well it doesn't say directly anywahere, but some comment says that it does writing/reading instantly. Stick is mounted only during actual reading/writing. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Normal_Use
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<PMantis>
Weird! help?
07:32
# showmount -e
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mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered
07:34
Huh, nevermind... I assumed portmapper and nfs-kernel-server were stopped... so I tried starting them
07:34
No help, but a restart worked.
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<cliebow>
sbalneav:Hey!!!!
09:19
scottie: i found that some ancient pykota printjobs were left in the db with no pykota.schema..thanks for the tip..
09:23
<sbalneav>
Heh, so that was it/
09:23
?
09:23
perfect.
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<slipttees>
hello
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<jammcq>
g'morning
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<sbalneav>
Morning jammcq!
09:31
<cliebow>
jammcq: good morning..
09:31
sbalneav: i also ran into that libnss-ldap bug this time
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<sbalneav>
Which bug's that?
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<cliebow>
installing ..7 seemed to konquer that one
09:32
long long boot
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<sbalneav>
ah, I know the fix for that one.
09:32
<cliebow>
with cant contact server
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<sbalneav>
right.
09:32
Bumped into that yesterday.
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<cliebow>
i tried your add group fix
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<sbalneav>
That do it for you?
09:33
the addgroup --system nvram killed that one dead for me.
09:34
<cliebow>
wewll i did bind_policy soft.that stopped the mesages.but it still hing til i put in the newest libnss-ldap
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<sbalneav>
They probably have some better failure handling in the newer lib.
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<cliebow>
weird cause neither my lappie nor the edgy trenton server bothered
09:36
on another note..i tied linux login to sambaAcctFlags..so just changinf one field controls enable/disable
09:36
for win and linux
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and built that ito an ssl cgi webpage with a scroll list of disabled users to pick from and varying temp enable fields like one Hour etc
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to handle the little reprobates
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<efra>
Hi everybody
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<ohmbr>
hi, i'm from brazil and i'm having problens to configure my keyboard to abnt2...
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where can i configure it?
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<cliebow>
in lts.conf but the syntax eludes me..perhaps on wiki.ltsp.org
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<ohmbr>
cliebow: tks, i'll try find something there...
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<cliebow>
good luck..the gurus are here somewhere..perhaps they will chime in
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<ohmbr>
how do i see my session name?
11:38
the name that is configured at lts.conf...
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<Arsenick-TC2L>
I think it's corresponding with your ip in your hosts file or your dns entry
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<ohmbr>
yes... tha is it..
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<Arsenick-TC2L>
but I'm far away from a ltsp guru ;)
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<ohmbr>
at my lts.conf has may configuration, one for eath client...
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i what to kwon am i?
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sorry my bad English..
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<Arsenick-TC2L>
you mean you want to know which entry in lts.conf correspond to your client ?
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<ohmbr>
yes..
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<Arsenick-TC2L>
that's what I said.. if in your host file you have a entry like 192.168.1.2 ltsp001 and your client have 192.168.1.2 for his ip address the corresponding entry in lts.conf will be ltsp001 if I'm not wrong..
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<pscheie>
Arsenick-TC2L: You are correct. dhcpd.conf can assign hostnames to the clients which lts.conf then can use for specific settings for each client.
11:45
Otherwise, client-specific settings can be set by MAC address in lts.conf.
11:46
But that's kinda hard to read by MAC address, so most people use the MAC addresses in dhcpd.conf to assign hostnames to specific clients.
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<ohmbr>
ok, but how can i see who am i? i m in a client.. $HOSTNAME return the server name...
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i what to kwon who am i to change my configuration on lts.conf...
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<pscheie>
ohmbr: press ctrl-alt-f1 to get to command prompt on client
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type ifconfig
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<ohmbr>
tks! tha is it...
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tks...
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<pscheie>
it will show you what IP addr has been assigned to your client, plus it shows your MAC address so you can go set assign an IP address to that MAC address in dhcpc.conf
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ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to gui
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<PePSI-->
hi ! i got LTSP setup for students .. All things working fine like usb mouting etc . but some times problems occours with user usb . when user insert usb the Kingston folder appears but no data in that . The size it shows is in GB which is user home drive size
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<PePSI-->
hi ! i got LTSP setup for students .. All things working fine like usb mouting etc . but some times problems occours with user usb . when user insert usb the Kingston folder appears but no data in that . The size it shows is in GB which is user home drive size
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<rjune>
jammcq: you there?
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<PePSI-->
hi ! i got LTSP setup for students .. All things working fine like usb mouting etc . but some times problems occours with user usb . when user insert usb the Kingston folder appears but no data in that . The size it shows is in GB which is user home drive size
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<cliebow>
PeP:is that drive partitioned? if not it miohgt give youe weird results
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<PePSI-->
ys it is
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that drive was working fine n suddenly i created problem
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its 512 MB USB that was working fine .. but suddenly it was not
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<cliebow>
fi you can go thru the ten step and have it ready for sblaneav..you might get an audience..even etter post to ltsp-discuss and id bet scottie wil have a look
13:11
lbussd is still running?
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<PePSI-->
n then i login with my id n insert my usb the usb folder appears i.e KINGSTON on desktop but no data in it
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wats lbussd ?
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<cliebow>
it is the daemon that runs on server listening for connection attempts from a client..more or less..i am somewhat "chalenged" by localdevs
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<PePSI-->
hmm
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i m not in my office right now
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i will check it
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<jammcq>
rjune: hey
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<PePSI-->
but this problems was occured few days ago with two users n in mean time other users usb was working fine
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it means that that daemon was working else other user had the same problem
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<sbalneav>
PePSI--: More than likely, those usb pens are unpartitioned.
13:15
We don't support unpartitioned pens.
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<PePSI-->
hmm .. then y it worked for 2 months n now it is creating problem
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n also these usb are partitioned from Window interface using FAT#@
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FAT32
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<cliebow>
PeP:go thru the 10 step carefully on the wiki..that will help tremendously
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<vagrantc>
!checklist
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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<vagrantc>
PePSI--: try that
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<cliebow>
vagrantc:!!
13:19
oops forgot the last two steps
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<vagrantc>
heh.
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<PePSI-->
ok i will
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but my question is that y it was working fine for 2 months n doing this problem now
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<vagrantc>
PePSI--: still would be helpful to get the debugging done.
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PePSI--: there's absolutely nothing that changed? no upgrades to LTSP? no security updates on the server?
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<PePSI-->
<vagrantc> PePSI--: there's absolutely nothing that changed? no upgrades to LTSP? no security updates on the server? ... didnt get u
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<vagrantc>
PePSI--: you said it was working for 2 months, and then stopped working. did anything change on the server or LTSP environment, such as upgrades to software?
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<PePSI-->
hmm .. not much .. only yum update -y
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<vagrantc>
and what did that upgradE?
13:25
whenever you upgrade something, it has the potential to break things, no?
13:25
ideally, it doesn't happen much, but it's useful information to know.
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<PePSI-->
right
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well i heard that its good to update by yum .. as there are few packages that needed upgradation
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<vagrantc>
generally, it's good to keep up with security updates, yes.
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<PePSI-->
i will try this troubleshooting on monday .. i hope this will solve problem
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<vagrantc>
if it doesn't solve it, it will make it easier for others to help you.
13:30
<PePSI-->
ok
13:31
well that was problem n now i want to add on things .. like user can have sound on there thin client
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any howto link there for that
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?
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<sbalneav>
On the wiki.
13:32
wiki.ltsp.org
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<vagrantc>
!sound
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "sound" is not a valid command.
13:49
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: learn sound as http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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<vagrantc>
!sound
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<sbalneav>
Good man!
13:50* vagrantc likes ltspbot
13:51
<sbalneav>
he/she/it's a handy little thing.
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: how do you get it to tell you a list of topics?
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<sbalneav>
Errrm.
13:51
dunno?
13:51* sbalneav smiles sheepishly
13:51
<sbalneav>
It's a supybot
13:52
We needed one in a hurry, and this is the first one I found that would actually re-join after a netsplit.
13:52
So, to be honest, I've never done that much with it.
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<vagrantc>
heh.
13:52
<sbalneav>
Sorta got it going, and it just kind of runs.
13:53
<vagrantc>
good :)
13:53
<sbalneav>
If you'd like to play with it some, I can give you an account on my home box.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search sound
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: (factoids search [<channel>] [--values] [--{regexp} <value>] [<glob> ...]) -- Searches the keyspace for keys matching <glob>. If --regexp is given, it associated value is taken as a regexp and matched against the keys. If --values is given, search the value space instead of the keyspace.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values sound
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values ltsp
13:58
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'pastebot', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', and 'sound'
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<vagrantc>
!debian
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org
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<sbalneav>
Think I added that one.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values " "
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'pastebot', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', and 'ltsp5'
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<vagrantc>
!sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'pastebot', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', and 'sound'
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<vagrantc>
!ltsp5
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ltsp5" is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. Find out more on wiki.ltsp.org
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<vagrantc>
!wireless
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
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<sbalneav>
Oooh
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<vagrantc>
a common question, with not very pleasant answers.
14:00
!serversize
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: learn topics as To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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<sbalneav>
!topics
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<sbalneav>
there we go. :)
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: excellent!
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ltspbot: factoids search --key
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: (factoids search [<channel>] [--values] [--{regexp} <value>] [<glob> ...]) -- Searches the keyspace for keys matching <glob>. If --regexp is given, it associated value is taken as a regexp and matched against the keys. If --values is given, search the value space instead of the keyspace.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: topic
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "topic" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: topics
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ltspbot should get backed up, or we'll forget everything in case of catastrophy.
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<sbalneav>
Backed up nightly at home.
14:04
What kind of sysadmin do you take me for? :)
14:05
tarballs scp'd to work as well :)
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<vagrantc>
no idea :P
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<moquist>
sbalneav: we need to get that ltspbot log uploading sometime, so google can search it.
14:05
<sbalneav>
right
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<moquist>
sbalneav: where should they go?
14:05
<sbalneav>
Good question.
14:05
Hmm
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<moquist>
sbalneav: I know you're waiting on edubuntu-auth-server, BTW. It's On My Mind.
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<sbalneav>
I've got an external website I don't do much with, but it might be better to coordinate with jammcq, and get somethng off the ltsp.org domain.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'pastebot', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', 'sound', and 'topics'
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<sbalneav>
moquist: No problem
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<moquist>
But it's after "finish philosophy paper" and "present at conference next week" on my TODO list. :\
14:06
sbalneav: right. I think ltsp.org is the proper home.
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<cliebow>
moquist:pingo
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!sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
cliebow: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<cliebow>
anyone know the metapackage for developers tools?
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<sbalneav>
build-essential
14:33
<cliebow>
ahh
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<g333k_work>
Hi, can you help me to find the reason because my server freezes after hours of work?
15:08
The led of the hard disk doesnt stop of blinking
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and the clients are obviously down
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<cliebow>
/join #edubuntu
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<vagrantc>
why would someone join a channel just to say they're out to lunch?
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<cliebow>
I know i am out to lunch anfd i join this channel all the timw
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<ctkroeker>
Has anyone had any luck with skype on an ltsp client? referring to sound
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<cliebow>
might give jammcq a jingle when he is around
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<ctkroeker>
anyone?
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<ctkroeker>
Hello?
16:55
man, this chat is so dead
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<vagrantc>
ctkroeker: that's a real good way to invite people to help you :P
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<ctkroeker>
;)
17:12
forget it, I think this is more suited for a forum
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<vagrantc>
ctkroeker: my guess is you'd probably need to run skype as a local app, as remote microphone support isn't so good.
17:13
<ctkroeker>
but it's weird that there are 54 people in this room and there is absolutly no traffic
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<vagrantc>
traffic comes and goes.
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<ctkroeker>
yep, I guesses I'd have to run it as a local app, gotta set that up now...
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<g333k_work>
traffic
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<vagrantc>
gah. spanish translation for ltsp got "manyana"d
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<J45p3r>
cliebow?
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<dan1234>
does anyone know is it possible to use a SunRay terminal as a LTSP client device??
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<vagrantc>
it's theoretically possible with either the debian or ubuntu ltsp 5.0 prereleases
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but you'd need to build the chroot environment on a sparc machine.
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<dan1234>
ok, so it would probably be more effort than it's worth
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currently i am connecting to linux server from sunray terminal via xdmcp
20:37
this is good, but there is no support for usb keys, which i believe ltsp supports?
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<vagrantc>
depends on what you want :)
20:37
right.
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<cliebow>
usb keys arent quite yeet supported in edgy
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<dan1234>
ok...
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so usb drives may be supported in the future?
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so what is meant by local device support, which i have seen mentioned on in some articles (in ltsp 4.2 i think)??
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<vagrantc>
dan1234: local device support typically means accessing the floppy, cdrom, usb keys and such of the terminal you sit in front of.
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!localdev
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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