LTSP 5 is in minimal maintenance mode
The new LTSP is hosted at https://ltsp.github.io

IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 31 March 2019   (all times are UTC)

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19:05
<Seba_>
I got this message "this kernel requires an x86-64 cpu but only detected an i686 cpu" please what i've to fix? Is there any document that suggest me the way to resolve
19:08
<Hyperbyte>
It means you're trying to run a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit CPU.
19:09
I assume you've installed Ubuntu Server edition and ran ltsp-build-client?
19:11
If so, then you've built a 64-bit version of the client. You could remove everything in /opt/ltsp/ and build a new 32-bit client, with ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
19:20
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: do you have time to be involved in the ltsp.org maintenance? If not, I'm thinking of closing down everything, the stories, the map, irclogs etc, and just maintaining a couple of wiki pages at github
19:20
Jim and Ron said ok about moving the site elsewhere
19:21
!install
19:21
<ltsp>
install: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
19:21
<alkisg>
Seba_: follow that ^ page to install ltsp, and use the 32bit mate cd that is linked there
19:21
For the server reinstallation
19:30
<uumas>
alkisg: I'd suggest keeping a simple introduction, irc logs and links to wiki (whether github or mediawiki) at ltsp.org
19:31
That would require minimal maintenance
19:36
<quinox>
no maintenance beats little maintenance :)
19:37
(I assume alkisg is talking about pointing ltsp.org at the github pages)
19:38
as in, "ltsp.org" simply points to Github
19:38
<uumas>
Well, you could just make it so that the information never gets outdated and the github link is at the top
19:38
Would be zero maintenance
19:38
On the other hand, the benefit wouldn't be too big
19:39
<quinox>
but that would still mean if the server goes down the page goes down
19:41
<uumas>
Well, I could maintain a server for it myself if that's the problem
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19:54
<alkisg>
uumas: irclogs require a server with a bot and php
19:54
You could provide one now, but it's not certain if it'll be there next year or in 5 years
19:54
While github will supposedly be there somewhat longer
19:55
<vagrantc>
well, wouldn't strictly require php ... could just have something log to text files and server over a web server
19:55
<Seba_>
Hyperbyte_:I haven't enugh skill in linux. I'm approching just now. If you think that i can help in someway I'll be available.
19:55
<alkisg>
About ltsp.org, I'm not sure if they'll want to hand it over, and who's going to be paying for it etc; for me, if there's no server, there's little point in keeping ltsp.org
19:56
vagrantc: "log" = bot = some sort of language, php or other
19:56
Even if someone programs a log that git pushes the logs, he still needs a server for the bot
19:56
*programs a bot
19:57
Also, I would prefer some sort of forum or askubuntu questions etc, instead of mailing lists that are non-linkable
19:57
So that would make most of the irclogs not very helpful
19:58
E.g. for supporting greek schools, I write the answers in the forum, and point them there from irc, so noone really needs irclogs from there; they're just "the answer is there" links
20:10
<vagrantc>
alkisg: right
20:12
<quinox>
I don't mind paying for the domain - I can put it on my company's account, will be automatically paid for indefinitely
20:12
it would be unfortunate to let it elapse, some scammer might pick it up
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20:15
<quinox>
I can make a plain-text dump of the current content + put a big header at the top saying "Please visit ltsp.github.com for the latest information" or something
20:19
put in 301 permanent redirects for specific pages that are convered on Github
20:21
(even with a name change, having scammers run away with ltsp.org would be detrimental; seeing how small LTSP is I don't expect this to happen, but you never know)
20:25
<vagrantc>
i think LTSP is probably bigger than it looks, but hard to know for sure, and yeah, preserving the domain for a while would be good
20:25
at least providing a redirect page
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20:31
<uumas>
quinox: If you can handle the domain registration, I could maintain and host the server
20:32
<alkisg>
Has anyone visited systemd.org?
20:32
I usually just google "systemd" and go to the first site there
20:33
<vagrantc>
have now... heh
20:33
<quinox>
I think alkisg's point is that we don't want any specific server; I've been involved with Open Source for many many years now, and while it's nobody's fault really you can't trust anybody to be around next year
20:33
<alkisg>
So if ltsp.org pagerank gets transferred to e.g. ltsp.github.io, a couple of years later, noone would want ltsp.org
20:33
They could get ltsp.com too if they wanted; but I don't think they care enough if the pagerank isn't there
20:35
There are multiple parts there. One is the hosting; another is the sysadmin/programming for the server
20:35
E.g. the map for the stories doesn't work, since a couple of years now
20:35
<uumas>
Let's say that next year I had disappeared somewhere and the server went down. Quinox would still have the domain.
20:35
I can do hosting and sysadmin
20:35
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte did that; he probably doesn't have time to fix it currently,
20:36
so, to maintain it, I would need to read about google maps api, which I don't want to
20:36
so, keeping things simpler = easier maintenance when switching sysadmins etc
20:36
<uumas>
Yeah, I agree with keeping it simple
20:36
<alkisg>
(talking about http://www.ltsp.org/stories/widget-map/?location=Greece etc)
20:37
<quinox>
ugh, don't talk to me about Google maps -_-
20:37
<alkisg>
:D
20:38
Anyways, it's late here. Thank you all guys, good night
20:38
<quinox>
even when customers pay me to fix it it's annoying
20:39* quinox waves goodnight
20:39
<uumas>
I was thinking something like a simple worpress or drupal site
20:39
Yeah, same. Goodnight
20:42
<quinox>
WP and Drupal are far from simple when you're getting hacked and/or need to upgrade them to new versions
20:44
The beauty of Github pages (or something similar) is that LTSP as a group only needs to concern themselves with the content
20:44
as long as Github keeps existing of course
20:45
<vagrantc>
github pages can be used without having to use a github.io domain, no?
20:46
<quinox>
yes
20:47
<vagrantc>
the content maintained in git, relatively easy to move elsewhere if we really had to ... it seems like a good way forward at this stage of things, despite not being my usual inclination
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20:49
<vagrantc>
it'd be easy to mirror, could even have a server ready-to-go if github somehow goes badly.
20:50
don't think it's likely at this point, but we've seen hosting providers do a full 180 in short order in the past... i like that it wouldn't be too much vendor locking
20:51
<quinox>
yeah, git+markdown is pretty awesome in that regard
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