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Channel log from 24 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<zoon>
Hi guys, I'm stuck with edubuntu 8.04. /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is set to give dhcp from a certain range, and when I start a thin client, it gets the same IP as my server ! Duh ?
03:40
Karma points for those who have an idea...
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<Mary_ux>
hi every1
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<RichEd->
hi guys
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<Mary_ux>
any1 knows how can i create an user who can only login on a specific machine??
06:09
<RichEd->
Mary_ux needs some advice
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<Mary_ux>
I am using LTSP
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<RichEd->
"I want to allow a specific user to log onto one specific computer only"
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<Mary_ux>
:) thanks riched
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<RichEd->
ogra: ?? suggestions ?
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<RichEd->
moquist is good to ask ... but he is on US time ... he'll be around later if ogra does not reply
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<Mary_ux>
ok
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<Mary_ux>
hiiii
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i ask it again
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<rjune>
I think both KDM and GDM let you specify whether or not a user is allowed from a given terminal
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<Mary_ux>
anyone knows how can i create an user who can only login on a specific machine??
06:15
i am using LTSP in top of Ubuntu
06:15
hi rjune
06:15
but how can i do that
06:16
<rjune>
run gdm_setup
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<Mary_ux>
"command not found"
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<RichEd->
Mary_ux: sudo apt-get gdm_setup install
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<Mary_ux>
gdm_setup???!!
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<rjune>
sorry, gdmsetup
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<ogra_cmpc>
ubuntu never used gdm in ltsp :)
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<rjune>
hiya ogra
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<ogra_cmpc>
actually nobody does with ltsp5
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<RichEd->
ah ... the guru awakes ...
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<ogra_cmpc>
hey
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<ogra_cmpc>
RichEd-, you ... here ?!?
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<rjune>
his knowledge is fresher than mine
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<Mary_ux>
hi ogra
06:18
why nobody does it in ltsp5
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??!!
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<RichEd>
ogra: hand holding a user to help her get support :)
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<ogra_cmpc>
well, i have no solution either though but given that everything is ssh based i bet you can do something on that level
06:19
Mary_ux, becuse its transport is extremely unsafe, you can even take screenshots by just sniffing the traffic on the network
06:20
ltsp5 uses ldm which is kind of a graphical ssh client
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<Mary_ux>
ok
06:20
but the login process is dealed by the server isnt it
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<ogra_cmpc>
right, by sshd on the server
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<Mary_ux>
cant i setup a user policy in the server so lets say user John can only login in terminal 3 (10.0.0.3)
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<Mary_ux>
I thought that would b a easy task
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<ogra_cmpc>
well, looks at the sshd documentation, the AllowUsers option seems to be able to restrict by user@host
06:24
*look
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<Mary_ux>
ok
06:25
i see
06:26
I will av a look in d sshd docu
06:26
can u provided me a link
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<ogra_cmpc>
no idea if this works though, its the first time in the three years i'm here this comes up, so there is no general way or something
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<Mary_ux>
:) ok
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<ogra_cmpc>
well, man sshd in a terminal on your server should be a start :)
06:27
<Mary_ux>
i though it was a common task
06:27
<ogra_cmpc>
not really
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<Mary_ux>
lets say i av a networ using LTSP clients in my company
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<ogra_cmpc>
at least i'v neot seen it yet and i'm around here a lot
06:28
<Mary_ux>
I want the each member of the staff to just login in his/her machine
06:28
mayb it s there a better approach i dont realise
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<ogra_cmpc>
ah, man sshd_config has the proper description
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<Mary_ux>
ok i avin a look
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<ogra_cmpc>
seems to also work with groups
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<Mary_ux>
interesting
06:31
i ll try the allowUsers
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but where must i enter this directive???
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<ogra_cmpc>
i guess you need to put AllowUsers into /etc/ssh/sshd_config followed by a space separated list of user@host
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i.e.
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<Mary_ux>
ok
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<ogra_cmpc>
allowUsers user1@host1 user2@host2 etc
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err
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AllowUsers
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(rigght capitalization is important)
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<Mary_ux>
yep u right
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<ogra_cmpc>
after adding that, dont forget to restart the sshd
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<Mary_ux>
ok I ll try it
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i ll let u know how it is goin
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:)
06:33
thanks very much
06:34
heyy, do u think that is the best approach??
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i am a bit conffusing thet never come up in d chat
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<ogra_cmpc>
well, there was no demand yet
06:35
i see the needfulness here though
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<Mary_ux>
ok
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av a nice day ogra
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and ok, eve1 av a nice day
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:)
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<ogra_cmpc>
:)
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<Q-FUNK>
it has to be said that the SRU process is a realy PITA.
09:21
<ogra>
you guys should have used IRC ... the bug just exploded :)
09:22* ogra didnt have any probs with the SRU process yet
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<rjune>
sru?
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<ogra>
stable release updae in ubuntu
09:24
for LTS releases we do bugfix updates since hardy
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(it requires to have the most minimal patch for the fix, a two week quarantine for the package in the hardy-proposed repository and at least two positive ACKs about teh fixed package from testers on the bug affected by the fix)
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<rjune>
I gather this is spilloverfrom another channel?
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<ogra>
this is Q-FUNK complaining about his geode fixes
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<rjune>
ah
09:28
well hardy is "stable"
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<ogra>
well, we have the SRU process ... its stable, but not static
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<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/219630 in case you are intrested in the geode bug
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<rjune>
right, stable != static
09:32
stable == not going to do wonky
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things
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<ogra>
right
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thats why we have this policy
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<barbosa>
ogra, hi
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<warren>
I wrote up a python script that can set the keyboard layout from XKB* environment variables
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but then I realized that rc.d happens AFTER not before login
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so I think I have to implement this in C as part of ldm itself
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<ogra>
or as external script thats called by the screen script or so
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<warren>
ogra: well, it has to happen immediately after the X server is run
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<ogra>
i was pondering often to just have an setxkbmap and not need the xorg.conf anymore
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*setxkbmap call
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<warren>
yeah
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that's one way
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or use libxklavier directly
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<ogra>
the most reliable imho
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indeed, thats another one
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:)
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so many streets to rome :)
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<elisboa>
where can I find information about using swap on a thin client?
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is it necessary some kind of patch on the kernel to use it via nfs, for example?
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<ogra>
what distro ltsp release are you using ?
13:43
*distro and
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<elisboa>
ogra: LTSP
13:46
oops
13:46
ogra: UBUNTU
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8.04
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<ogra>
have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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<elisboa>
I'm usind a 2.6.24 that I've compiled myself
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<ogra>
you can set this up in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<elisboa>
ogra: sorry, it's not ltsp, it's a Ubuntu using manual dhcpd, atftp, nfs settings
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<ogra>
oh
13:47
well, then i cant help if you dont have the ubuntu modules compiled
13:47
it definately needs ndb
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nbd
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<elisboa>
ok
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<ogra>
which is the default in a standard ubuntu setup
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<elisboa>
I will check it's availability on my kernel conf
13:48
ogra: does edubuntu use NBD?
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<ogra>
(we dont use nfs since over a year anymore)
13:48
edubuntu == ubuntu
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<elisboa>
ogra: is nfs slower/worse in anyway?
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<ogra>
slower
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nbd uses a compressed image that makes it a tad faster
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<ogra>
and easier to handle since we cn use a writable rootfs thanks to unionfs with this image ....
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unlike nfs which doesnt work with unionfs
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that speeds up booting a lot vs the way we got single files and dirs writable in nfs
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by default the initramfs will try to use nbd swap if your client ram is lower than 48M btw
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<elisboa>
I though that you used nfs as root and NBD just for swap
13:51
but, are you telling me that unionfs is the root?
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<ogra>
nope, we use nbd devices for everything (apart from mounting usb keys or so)
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<elisboa>
and is NBD really good?
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I've used NBD some years ago, when LTSP was 3.0, and it really sucked up
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<ogra>
right there is a tmpfs and a squashfs image that get merged togethwer in a unionfs mount, so you get a fully writable /
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nbd is the awesome :)
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<elisboa>
when I was serving to a lot of floppies, it used to lock up constantly
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<ogra>
it evolved a lot over the years
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<elisboa>
whoa
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<ogra>
it even has its own server side copy on write mode
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<elisboa>
is NBD support officialy on the kernel or must I apply a patch?
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<ogra>
so you could have a similar setup without squashfs and unionfs just by setting up nbd correctly
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<elisboa>
hmm, got the point
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<ogra>
its by default in the ubuntu kernel
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no idea if its upstream or not
13:54
ight be in the linux-ubuntu-modules package which has all the cool stuff thats not upstream
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*might
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<elisboa>
ogra: if I install a nbd server on the server and a client on the thin client, will I be able to create a swap device and use it?
13:55
because, if I create a swapfile on a nfs share, swapon just doesn't let me use it
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<warren>
elisboa: it works that way by default in fedora ltsp
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dunno about other distros
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<elisboa>
warren: thanks
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<ogra>
warren, with hand build vanilla kernel ?
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<warren>
huh?
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<elisboa>
I will try it here
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<ogra>
thats what elisboa is using
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<warren>
no
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<ogra>
:)
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<warren>
fedora's standard i586 kernel
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ogra: so I suppose setxkbmap is the easier way to implement this
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ogra: libxklavier doesn't seem to be documented at all
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<elisboa>
does swap via NBD works reliable on a 10/100 network with 20 thin clients?
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<ogra>
elisboa, just setting SWAP_SERVER and NBD_PORT on all ltsp5 implementations with default kernels/setups should do it
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its a core ltsp5 feature
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<elisboa>
100 megabits full duplex
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<ogra>
warren, i never worked with libxklavier
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<warren>
if you're swapping you are already in trouble...
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<ogra>
that as well :)
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<elisboa>
that's right
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<ogra>
but its a safety net for say saving your open documents after the system has calmed down
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<elisboa>
even locally swapping is slow, I agree
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hmm
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it's like an emergency measeure
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a last resort
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<ogra>
with swap your X wont "just lock up"
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<elisboa>
my firefox just went off, using 80 megs and crashing
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<warren>
it will suck instead of locking up
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<ogra>
it wil just get unusable slow but catch up at some point
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<elisboa>
hahaha
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<ogra>
so you dont lose your unsaved 200 page impress doc you just created without autosave enabled ;)
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and dont get in trouble with your manager tomorrow ... it can be helpful to have nbd swap ;)
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warren, i even think setxkbmap supports the original Xorg options all over, so it should be very easy to use
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<warren>
yeah, libxklavier is a lot less straight forward
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<ogra>
and stil a lot younger
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<warren>
"just pass the string, if it blows up, user's fault"
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<ogra>
setxkbmap is ancient and well tested since ages, that would be my main pro point in a comparison
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'm sure you could find xklavier docs and example code soemwhere
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<warren>
the next X will set keyboard layout from hal
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but we'll need something optional until then
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<ogra>
yeah, we discussed that a lot in prague last month
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i was hping to pul the hal input stuff right in
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but that might still be to immature
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<warren>
well, you still need a hal provider
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fedora's hal provider will read it from /etc/sysconfig/keyboard
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no idea what you will do
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<ogra>
indeed, but we need hal and dbus anyway on the clients at some point
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<warren>
I have hal and dbus on the clients now
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<ogra>
oh, thats what you mean
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<warren>
but it isn't doing anything
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<ogra>
we have /etc/default/console-setup with kbd settings and friends
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and i think the plan is to make hal-input just use that
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<Lns>
ogra, is that nbdswap port number bug completed and uploaded so if people update packages they won't need to do anything? Is it turned on by default or no?
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<ogra>
(it gets copied from the server to the chroot during build, assuming the clients have the same setup as the server by default)
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Lns, nbd swap gets turned on automatically if your client has less than 48M ... else you have to set NBD_SWAP=TRue
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*True
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the bug is fixed in hardy-updates and n the 8.04.1 CD
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<Lns>
ogra, ty =)
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ogra, would there be any reason to have it turned off by default? I would think this is a good safety measure, for what you described above (misbehaving firefox/OOo, etc)
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<warren>
ogra: I discovered that X autoconfiguration happens for all other options that are not specified in the confiig file
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ogra: so I'm going to use a stripped down configure-x.sh for stuff like forcing a screen resolution
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ogra: but I'm not using the keyboard layout stuff from configure-x.sh.
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I will instead have it use setxkbmap
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<ogra>
can you make that generic enough that we can all use it ?
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<warren>
yes
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it'll use XKB* options from lts.conf if they were there
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<ogra>
configure-x was a placeholder until xorg.conf can be dropped
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<warren>
otherwise it doesn't do anything
14:09
we're pretty close to dropping xorg.conf here
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<ogra>
i'D love to get rid of it but we need to have an option to influence X
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<warren>
keyboard layout was the only legitimate complaint
14:09
I dont consider forcing screen resolution to be legitimate, but I'm doing it anyway.
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<ogra>
well, ts.conf is in my cae
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*lts.conf
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well, that should even work with xrandr
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but there are other things like DPMS or special driver options to work around bugs etc
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<warren>
yes, thus I'm not taking away xorg.conf entirely
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it is blank by default here
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but the user can add stuff
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<ogra>
yeah
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i'd love to be able to do all this without sed'ing ton of lines though
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<ogra>
i.e. at runtime
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<warren>
that's the idea
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<ogra>
iho hal should handle it
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<warren>
lots of what configure-x.sh does is evil
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<ogra>
so we could just set a property
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yeah, i know
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its as i said a placeholder to fill the gap until the config can go
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which seems to be near
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<warren>
I'll do the setxkbmap part first
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<ogra>
(for the fun of it though, i was told that the opensuse livecd team considered configure-x.sh being used by default on their CDs)
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not sure they stayed with it
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<warren>
I hope they did
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more crack the better
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<ogra>
but its funny that they seem to like that crappy sed code
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heh
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thas so redhat from you :P
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<warren>
you mean we write crappy sed code?
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(we do)
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<ogra>
who doesnt
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but not in such big chunks and in one central place like configure-x :)
14:15* warren going offline, going to implement this while waiting at the doctor's office
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<Skarmeth>
hi all
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I am using debian etch ltsp and I had problems booting thin clients based on via rhine NIC... It freeze on boot and nothing more...
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if I use Fedora 8/9 LTSP, it boot, but I can't login to GNOME, just failsafe term and fluxbox
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any thing I can do to get ride of it in debian?
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<rjune>
w00t
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<vagrantc>
Skarmeth: any error messages on the screen? where exactly does it freeze?
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<Skarmeth>
vagrantc, on via rhine module load
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<vagrantc>
Skarmeth: are you using the ltsp packages in etch, or the backports from alioth?
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<Skarmeth>
let me boot one to see exactly
15:37
vagrantc, etch packages
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<vagrantc>
there isn't anything specifically LTSP if it's freezing on module load ... might just be an etch problem ...
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<Skarmeth>
I have none of problematic thin clients here now... I will test it later and report
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