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Channel log from 4 August 2019   (all times are UTC)

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17:24
<alkisg>
vagrantc, ltsp now isn't installable in kde plasma; can we just remove all those DE dependencies, as with fat chroots now they're not a hard dependency, and we don't really maintain that list? I'm guessing there are 3-4 other DEs that are missing too..
17:26
<vagrantc>
not sure which list you're referring to
17:26
<alkisg>
Or at least lower them to recommends; now if one wants to install ltsp in kde, he gets something else too, like mate
17:26
apt show ltsp-server-standalone | grep Depends
17:26
mate-desktop-environment | gnome-session | x-session-manager | x-window-manager
17:27
<vagrantc>
i don't see kde mentioned there
17:27
<alkisg>
I say we just drop all that line, or at least reduce it to recommends/suggests
17:27
Right, and that's the problem
17:27
So ltsp can't be installed in kde without installing mate too
17:27
<vagrantc>
well, for ltsp19, we can drop standalone, no?
17:27
<alkisg>
Sure; I'm talking about people installing ltsp now...
17:27
ltsp19 will only have minimal dependencies etc
17:27
<vagrantc>
installing kde should satisfy x-session-manager or x-window-manager, no?
17:27
<alkisg>
No
17:27
<vagrantc>
if not, it's surely a bug
17:27
<alkisg>
As it doesn't provide it
17:28
<vagrantc>
sounds like a bug in those packages
17:28
<alkisg>
In any case, I don't think it's our place to hunt those bugs
17:28
<vagrantc>
"standalone" does depend on one of those things
17:28
<alkisg>
As we don't really need any one of these, no
17:28
It's fine to have a standalone ltsp server without xorg
17:28
As we mainly recommend fat clients now
17:28
These were for thin clients
17:29
<vagrantc>
so you're saying since we're dropping thin clients, we drop the server-side depends on a desktop environment?
17:30
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I'm saying we don't want to depend on them, since we don't depend on the user requiring thin clients
17:30
I.e. just lower those to recommends or suggests
17:30
Or omit them completely
17:31
<vagrantc>
in a talk right now and have a talk in a few minutes ... so will need to chat later
17:31
<alkisg>
Markit came here yesterday saying he can't install ltsp
17:31
Sure
17:31
(and I don't want to have to hunt the other packages to provide x-window-manager etc since we don't even require them)
17:39
echo $(apt-provides x-session-manager)
17:39
ubuntu-session ubuntu-session cinnamon-session gnome-session gnome-session gnome-session-flashback gnome-session-flashback lxqt-session lxsession mate-session-manager openbox openbox openbox-lxde-session sugar-session ukui-session-manager unity-session unity-session xfce4-session
17:39
Yeah plasma-workspace isn't even remotely mentioned there
17:45
https://termbin.com/fsh8r
17:45
The debian list is a lot smaller... but does have plasma
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