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Channel log from 19 October 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<schregge>
hello, is it possible to run ltsp as domU (with xen)?
07:55
i get an error when i try to run ltsp-build-client (on ubuntu gutsy): http://pastebin.ca/742330
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<Guaraldo>
schregge: Hi... It looks like a hardware problem... /dev/mem: mmap: Bad address
08:11
<schregge>
this is normal. iam runnning xen....
08:12
<Guaraldo>
schregge: But it gave a Segmentation falt, that normaly means a memory falt...
08:12
*fault
08:13
<schregge>
yeah, because i try to run ltsp in domU, and there is no video-card available....
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<schregge>
ok, i fixed my ltsp-chrrot, but how can i run ltsp-build-client again to complete the process? (without deleting the old directory)?
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<jammcq>
Goooood morning
08:49
<prpplague>
jammcq: greeting
08:49
<jammcq>
hey prpplague
08:49
how's it goin?
08:51
<prpplague>
its going
08:51
fun fun fun
08:51
friday what can i say
08:52
<rjune>
Too bad it's not payday friday
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<prpplague>
rjune: indeed
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jammcq: whatcha up to these days?
08:59
<rjune>
probably lamenting the fact that he never gets payday friday.
09:01
<prpplague>
rjune: yea, owning your own business has its draw backs
09:01* prpplague much prefers working for someone
09:02
<rjune>
me too. less paperwork
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09:09
<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:11
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Hi, sbalneav!!! Do you know what does gutsy means?
09:11
<sbalneav>
Gutsy?
09:11
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Yep...
09:11
<sbalneav>
Brave would be the most direct translation.
09:11
<rjune>
it means full of courage.
09:12
<sbalneav>
Daring
09:12
<rjune>
Guaraldo: hablo espagnol, si?
09:12
<Guaraldo>
Ah!, thanks, rjune and sbalneav...
09:12
<sbalneav>
And for the next one, "hardy heron"
09:12
<rjune>
Hairy Hardon?
09:12
<sbalneav>
Yeah, that one.
09:13
Hardy means, "able to withstand a lot of abuse"
09:13
permanent
09:13
long lasting
09:13
<rjune>
strong, resillient
09:13
<sbalneav>
right
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<sbalneav>
since it'll be the next LTS release, that sort of fits in.
09:14
<rjune>
yeah, but they probably could have picked a better animal
09:14
<jammcq>
yeah, like Harty Hippo
09:14
err
09:14
Hardy Hippo
09:14
<sbalneav>
Hungry Hungry Hippo :)
09:16
<prpplague>
hehe
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<rjune>
LOL
09:51
<dtrask>
jammcq: You and sbalneav inspired me...I bought a new Tom Bihn bag
09:51
Hardy Heifer?
09:52
would that work?
09:52
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Does fglrx driver supports ATI Radeon X2300 card?
09:52
<sbalneav>
Oooh, got me.
09:52
I never used the propriatary driver, and now I've pretty much switched over to Intel for my graphics
10:00
<dtrask>
How about Hardy Horsey?
10:01
ok...I'm done
10:01
;-)
10:01
jammcq: will you be there Friday night for any festivities?
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<Dorphalsig>
Hello
10:03
I'm trying to connect an epson LX300 to a terminal...
10:03
I added the printer in cups, have set the workstation to have lpt1 etc
10:03
however when I print ... it takes too long!!
10:04
<dtrask>
I want you all to know that Matt and I proposed "Groovy Gazelle" instead of Gutsy Gibbon....Marc said, "noted", but obviously we didn't "win" ;-)
10:06
<rjune>
back in a bit. off to install gutsy
10:06
<Dorphalsig>
lo?
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<jammcq>
dtrask: I'll be arriving in Boston on friday afternoon. I wasn't planning on joining the ubuntu folks those. I'll have some others with me and I didn't want to barge into the ubuntu party
10:09
<dtrask>
jammcq: you realize that pending the outcome of the next 2 games...Boston could be in the grips of the World Series that week ;-)
10:09
<jammcq>
umm, that's baseball, right?
10:10
<dtrask>
jammcq: New England baseball fans are FANATIC...I know...I'm one of them ;-) and yes..it is
10:10
LOL
10:10
<jammcq>
but surely, the world series would be over by nov 2nd, eh?
10:10
<dtrask>
jammcq: at least the Tigers are actually pretty good...the Lions on the other hand....
10:10
yeah
10:11
<jammcq>
Lions... that's football, right?
10:11
<dtrask>
Nov 2 would be game 7....no worries....no tickets available anyway
10:11
LOL
10:11
<jammcq>
:)
10:11
<dtrask>
Ok...the Pistons are pretty good too
10:11
<jammcq>
yeah, especially compared to the Celtics lately
10:11
<dtrask>
What's the Detroit Hockey team? Red Wings?
10:11
<jammcq>
yep
10:12
<dtrask>
wonder if Detroit comes to Boston at all that week
10:12
<jammcq>
well, too early I think for both basketball and hockey
10:13
<dtrask>
jammcq: The Celtics "might" improve this year....but remember when....we had Bird, McHale, and all those guys! ;-)
10:13
<jammcq>
I think the basketball season starts that weekend tho
10:13
dtrask: the celtics have no choice but to improve
10:13
they're down at the bottom of the barrel lately
10:13
although, the knicks are down there too
10:13
<dtrask>
jammcq: They stay down long enough they'll have a whole team of 1st round draft picks ;-)
10:13
<Dorphalsig>
Hello... I'm trying to setup a local printer (EPSON LX-300), however when I try to print something, it prints waaaay to slow (1 line every 2 or 3 mins)
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<jammcq>
hmm
10:14
<dtrask>
Dorphalsig: Patience is a virtue
10:14
Dorphalsig: just kidding ;-)
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<dtrask>
Dorphalsig: I'm not familiar with local printers...so I'll let the others help you out
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<Dorphalsig>
but I got another 3 people behind me
10:15
so I need to run to get there :P:P
10:18
jammcq? ure like the Dalai Lama, u know everything about everything ... cant ya help me out?
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<Dorphalsig>
hrmm anyway... I think I just managed to fix it
10:28
bye
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<vagrantc>
!wireless
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
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<sbalneav>
Morning vagrantc!
10:49
Hey, you going to be available on irc when we do the BTS?
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<mhterres_>
hello guys
11:02
:-)
11:02
hi jammcq
11:02
hey sbalneav
11:02
<sbalneav>
Hey mhterres_! I think he's out to lunch
11:03
<mhterres_>
hey sbalneav
11:03
how are u my friend ?
11:03
<sbalneav>
I'm doing fine
11:03
Howzabout you?
11:03
<mhterres_>
doing great :-)
11:03
what is the news ?
11:04
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hi! :)
11:04
sbalneav: BTS ?
11:04
<mhterres_>
Marlon's birthday was last tuesday and we did a churrasco in his house on sunday
11:04
:-)
11:04
<sbalneav>
Well, Gutsy's released, and we're having the next By The Sea to sort out some upstream issues
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<vagrantc>
ah, wish i could make it
11:05
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: By The Sea, the gathering of LTSPites.
11:05
<mhterres_>
anybody here is using Gutsy ?
11:05
<sbalneav>
Well, you can be there via rc.
11:05
irc.
11:05
<vagrantc>
sure, sure.
11:05
<mhterres_>
We installed gutsy here, but now we can't authenticate using ldap
11:05
any ideas ?
11:05
<vagrantc>
but i don't get to see y'alls purty faces that way
11:05
<sbalneav>
We'll need you, actually, seeing as how we're going to use this one to formalize upstream
11:05
mhterres_: I'm using LDAP with gutsy
11:06
there were some changes that they made.
11:06
<mhterres_>
sbalneav, how can u put it to work ?
11:06
<sbalneav>
hold on, let me get my notes...
11:06
<mhterres_>
I saw a new way, using auth-client-config but It is not working here
11:07
I configured /etc/ldap.conf and /etc/pam.d/common-account, common-auth and common-session, and nsswitch.conf too
11:07
<sbalneav>
Yeah, everyhting's in ldap.conf now.
11:07
here's what I've got:
11:07
for ldap.conf:
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uri ldap://192.9.201.237
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base dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca
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rootbinddn cn=ldapadmin,dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca
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pam_password exop
11:08
I've got my /etc/ldap.secret file, mode 600
11:08
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: what are the dates of the BTS ?
11:08
<mhterres_>
I don't have a ldap.secret here
11:08
<sbalneav>
nssswitch.conf:
11:08
passwd: compat ldap
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group: compat ldap
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shadow: compat ldap
11:08* vagrantc can't help but think Bug Tracking System
11:08
<sbalneav>
Umm
11:08
<mhterres_>
and I'm not using rootbinddn (is it not optional ?)
11:09
<sbalneav>
the ubuntu summit ends on friday, we're saturday to monday
11:09
Well, I rootbinddn, since I allow users to change their passwords.
11:09
I've got password expiry in place.
11:10
<mhterres_>
Hmm, ok, this is not our case
11:10
<sbalneav>
What happens if you do a "getent passwd"? Do you get a full password file from the ldap?
11:10
<mhterres_>
yes
11:10
<sbalneav>
ok
11:11
<mhterres_>
the problem is that when I boot the system, the X don't up
11:11
<sbalneav>
so, the nss side of things is working, just not the pam-ldap
11:11
<mhterres_>
and I can't authenticate even with root local account
11:11
yes
11:11
<sbalneav>
Have you set a password for root?
11:11
<mhterres_>
yes
11:11
If I remove ldap from nsswitch I can login with root
11:12
that is how I am logged right now
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<sbalneav>
You got the compat first, or ldap first in nssswitch.conf?
11:12
<mhterres_>
compat
11:12
<sbalneav>
That should work then.
11:12
<mhterres_>
yes
11:13
It is happening in the 2 computers we installed gutsy
11:13
my computer and Alberto's computer
11:13
<sbalneav>
Have you got a separate /etc/ldap/ldap.conf, for the ldap libs?
11:13
here's mine:
11:13
#
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# LDAP Defaults
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#
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URI ldap://192.9.201.237
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base dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca
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pam_filter objectclass=posixAccount
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rootbinddn cn=ldapadmin, dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca
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<mhterres_>
ans how about the /etc/auth-client-config/profile.d
11:13
<sbalneav>
I needed the pam_filter bit
11:13
<mhterres_>
Is it necessary ?
11:14
<sbalneav>
It was for me.
11:14
<mhterres_>
let me sse
11:14
what did you put inside this directory ?
11:14
there are 2 files there
11:14
acc-default and ldap-auth-config
11:14
Do I need to change something in this files ?
11:15
<sbalneav>
Wow, I never looked at those files
11:15
I just modified the pam-* files in /etc/pam.d
11:15
ls
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<mhterres_>
ok, I did this too
11:15
<sbalneav>
common-auth:
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auth sufficient pam_ldap.so
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auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure try_first_pass
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common-password:
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password sufficient pam_ldap.so
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password required pam_unix.so try_first_pass
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common-account:
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account sufficient pam_ldap.so
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account required pam_unix.so try_first_pass
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<mhterres_>
almost the same
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<sbalneav>
Anything in /var/log? I think it logs to the auth
11:17
<mhterres_>
and common-session ?
11:17
<sbalneav>
session required pam_unix.so
11:17
session optional pam_foreground.so
11:18
I don't even list the ldap in there
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<mhterres_>
yes, I just put the mkhomedir there
11:18
<cliebow_>
sbalneav:so you are driving up Saturday right?
11:18
<mhterres_>
well, I'll reboot to see
11:18
<sbalneav>
Yeah, you need a reboot
11:18
I've always had that.
11:19
<mhterres_>
after I installed and configured everything is workinf fine
11:19
but in the first boot, authentication stops working
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<sbalneav>
Wierd
11:21
<mhterres_>
Did you upgrade or did a new instalation ?
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<mhterres_>
strange
11:22
<sbalneav>
This was a new installation.
11:23
<mhterres_>
If I try to login with root, it is asking for the password
11:23
<sbalneav>
No messages in /var/log/auth_log?
11:23
<mhterres_>
If I try a LDAP user, it hungs
11:23
no
11:23
nothing unusula
11:23
unusual
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<sbalneav>
You using a dns name for the uri, or an IP address?
11:23
<mhterres_>
IP
11:24
we avoid the uri in the confs
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<sbalneav>
Can you paste your /etc/ldap.conf file?
11:26
<mhterres_>
I think I discover the problem
11:27
is something with the eths
11:27
<sbalneav>
Ah, what?
11:27
<mhterres_>
let me see if I am correct
11:29
looks like he is not getting the IP
11:29
it is
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:-)
11:29
<sbalneav>
So, working now?
11:30* Gadi thinks this is a good time to reiterate my objection to ldap-auth on the thin clients :)
11:30
<mhterres_>
testing :-)
11:30
<sbalneav>
Gadi: I've already worked it out so we don't need it for localapps :)
11:30
<Gadi>
sbalneav: using ssh?
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<mhterres_>
no, this is the problem
11:31
it is not getting the IP
11:31
<sbalneav>
Muahahaha, kinda, but not.
11:31
What, it can't contact the ldap server?
11:31
<Gadi>
x atoms?
11:31
<sbalneav>
Yeah
11:31
here's how it will work
11:31
<Gadi>
with u, its always one or the other ;)
11:31
<cliebow_>
this is cool...
11:32
<sbalneav>
we'll have a login scrript for ldm that will pull down the user information across the ssh pipe, and stick it in a file
11:32
getent passwd $USER, getent group, etc...
11:32* Gadi remembers that one ... ;)
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<sbalneav>
Then, we have libnss-extrafiles set up, so that it will get the info from the extra files
11:32
Home's mounted via sshfs
11:33
and I've written an xrexecd, that launches programs via an xatom
11:33
it's all nice and small
11:33
and will work with whatever auth you've got up on the server.
11:33
I'm hoping to demo it at BTS
11:34
<Gadi>
any program?
11:34
can it execute shutdown?
11:34
and is it protected by x security?
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<sbalneav>
yes
11:35
yes
11:35
yes
11:35
:)
11:35
wait
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2 no
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<sbalneav>
Since it won't allow you to execute root programs.
11:35
<Gadi>
nice
11:35
<sbalneav>
But, we can have it monitor a "shutdown" atom, I suppose. That would be easy enough.
11:36
<Gadi>
and i guess on the server, you run something like: xrexec firefox
11:36
<sbalneav>
you got it.
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<Gadi>
nice
11:37
does jammcq still object to sshfs?
11:37
<sbalneav>
Well, I've written a shim
11:37
to fix sshfs's problem
11:37
<Gadi>
cool
11:37
<sbalneav>
here's what xrexec looks like
11:37
<Gadi>
as I knew you could
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<sbalneav>
#!/bin/sh
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xprop -root -f LTSP_USERNAME 8s -set LTSP_USERNAME "${USER}"
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xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "$1"
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<Gadi>
is the 8s a timeout on the atom?
11:38
<sbalneav>
No, 8 bit string
11:38
xprop's syntax it a bit... quirky
11:38
<Gadi>
all looks quite elegant
11:39
<sbalneav>
Well, it's SIMPLE, anyway.
11:39
<Gadi>
I like the x atoms thing for launching the app
11:39
<sbalneav>
Well, it automatically buys you the security
11:39
<Gadi>
and you dont need sshd running on the client
11:39
does it go through the x port?
11:39
(6000)
11:39
<sbalneav>
and it works over either ssh tunneled or DIRECTX connections
11:39
<Gadi>
right
11:40
yeah, its transparent
11:40
xrexecd doesnt listen on a port right?
11:40
<sbalneav>
And for the sshfs, we can mount using the same ssh control socket as we've set up/
11:40
<Gadi>
right
11:40
<sbalneav>
No, it just sits and sits in an X event loop looking for the LTSP_COMMAND property to change
11:40
<mhterres_>
Looks like it not finish the boot
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<Gadi>
yeah, everything else was what I was looking for a while ago...the xatom thing is the best part, tho
11:41
and a great idea
11:41
<sbalneav>
so if we set up an LTSP_SHUTDOWN atom, we could do that too.
11:41
<mhterres_>
In 7.04 we have a problem that LDAP tries to connect before the eth is up
11:41
<sbalneav>
mhterres_: Ah, yeah, could be the same thing.
11:41
<mhterres_>
looks like
11:41
<cliebow_>
oh yeah..something about soft connect
11:41
<mhterres_>
hmmm, cliebow_ : any tips ? :-)
11:42
<sbalneav>
Yeah, there's a bind_policy_soft thing needed somewhere....
11:42
Can't remember where
11:42
<mhterres_>
I'll search for that
11:43
<sbalneav>
IIRC, the other way to fix it is that udev's looking for a group that isn't int the group file, nvram I think it was
11:43
<cliebow_>
yeah in ldap.conf..
11:43
<sbalneav>
so if you add that group to the group file, then it works, because it won't try looking at ldap
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since it finds it locally.
11:44
<mhterres_>
yeah, I remember that
11:44
I'll try
11:44
this is an old bug
11:44
<sbalneav>
No, looks like they fixed that one.
11:44
feniks$ grep nvram *
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40-permissions.rules:KERNEL=="nvram", GROUP="nvram"
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feniks$ grep nvram /etc/group
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nvram:x:106:
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<mhterres_>
hmmm
11:45
<sbalneav>
I remember that one bit me in the butt.
11:45
Wait, maybe I added that :)
11:45
check your group file
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<mhterres_>
I'm booting
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let's me
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let's see
11:46
<sbalneav>
ok
11:46
ok
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:)
11:46
<mhterres_>
:-)
11:47
<cliebow_>
sbalneav:you ever come across a halt in bootup after "starting kernel log daemon"??
11:47
<mhterres_>
sbalneav, did you know that next FISL we'll be in PUC again ? You don't know PUC, I think. It is a university. It will be better there.
11:47
<cliebow_>
after updating
11:48
<mhterres_>
cliebow_, that is my problem
11:48
<sbalneav>
Gadi: bzr get http://swan.he.net/~sbalneav/bzr/xrexecd, if you're interested.
11:48
cliebow_: no, I haven't
11:48
<cliebow_>
ohhh??? Really????
11:48
<Gadi>
sbalneav: Im always interested ;)
11:49
<sbalneav>
It's stupidly simple, and I haven't got much error checking yet, but I was using it to launch xterms, and xclocks :)
11:49
so it works.
11:50
<cliebow_>
mhterres_: you think that is slapd related then???
11:50
<mhterres_>
I've got the nvram group :-/
11:50
cliebow_, I'm not running slapd locally
11:50
cliebow_, did you have this problem ?
11:51
<cliebow_>
ive been bitten several times where after update botting stops at "starting kernel log dasemon"
11:51
<mhterres_>
cliebow_, and did you solve it ?
11:51
<cliebow_>
i think i went in and commented out the line where that starts..and it hung on the next step..
11:51
<Gadi>
sbalneav: out of curiosity, you should see if you do: xhost + on the server, if you can execute stuff on the thin client from another machine
11:51
:)
11:51
<cliebow_>
it was on a sandbox so i blew it away and reinstalled
11:52
<mhterres_>
cliebow_, did you remember where did you did that ?
11:52* Gadi loves compromising security
11:52
<cliebow_>
twice..
11:52
<sbalneav>
one would expect that would work.
11:52
It should, in theory.
11:52
<cliebow_>
ummm...seems like i looked in rc.sysinit or something like it
11:52
<mhterres_>
I'll post the solution in my blog. Next Ubuntu version I'll look there :-)
11:52
<Gadi>
what happens if LTSP_USERNAME is different than the user logged in?
11:52
will it execute still?
11:52
<sbalneav>
No
11:53
Not unless it can find it in the local extrafiles
11:53
<warren>
cool, I got approval to go to the LTSP hackfest in Maine
11:53
<sbalneav>
I do a getent() call, and if it returns null, then I refuse to do anything.
11:53
warren: congrats
11:53
<cliebow_>
mhterres..maybve in rc5.d folsder i moved syslogd temporarily
11:54
<Gadi>
sbalneav: so, another cool thing to try, would be to log into the server and run: ssh some-place-else xrexec xclock
11:54
<sbalneav>
yep
11:54
<mhterres_>
syslogd ?
11:54
<Gadi>
in theory, it should pass it right thru
11:54
<sbalneav>
mhterres_: The thing to do would be to bump up the log level for pam_ldap, and see where it's failing.
11:55
I think it's in: common-*:
11:55
pam_ldap debug
11:55
<mhterres_>
hmmm, ok
11:55
<cliebow_>
loglevel is in slapd.conf..
11:55
<mhterres_>
yes
11:55
<sbalneav>
ah, that would work too.
11:55
<mhterres_>
cliebow_, but I'm not using slapd
11:56
in the local machine
11:56
<cliebow_>
yeah i know
11:57
Scottie must be talking about something else...BUT watching your server log should show you something..
11:57
<sbalneav>
Well, what I'm suggesting is bumping up the logging for the pam_ldap module, so you can see where it's failing
11:58
bbiab
11:58
lunch meeting
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<mhterres_>
done
12:10
I can't believe it
12:11
hmmm
12:11
not solved yet
12:11
but it is better
12:11
let me sse
12:11
see
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<cliebow_>
mhterres:what did you find..
12:12
<mhterres_>
this line was commented in /etc/network/interfaces
12:12
iface eth0 inet dhcp
12:12
but gutsy installed the file this way
12:13
<cliebow_>
Boy:Thtat sounds real familiar
12:13
<mhterres_>
maybe I found a bug ?
12:13
I can't believe it
12:13
<cliebow_>
so it couldnbt contact ldap cause no interface was up
12:13
<mhterres_>
yes
12:13
sad
12:13
maybe it is a bug, cause it is a fresh install
12:14
<cliebow_>
yes..
12:15
<mhterres_>
I never imagine that is the problem... :-/
12:15
<cliebow_>
ill bbiab
12:15
<mhterres_>
I'll take a look in the other computer
12:15
bbiab ???
12:15
<cliebow_>
something whjen updating is overwriting it seems like...
12:15
<mhterres_>
what is it ??? -)
12:15
<cliebow_>
ohh be back in a bit...i have to collect up some laptops
12:15
<mhterres_>
hmm, ok
12:15
see you soon
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<yotux>
does ltsp require tftpd-hpa tp assist net booting
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<vagrantc>
ah hell, there's no way i can make it to LTSP BTS .. i've got commitments till mid-november
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<Egyptian[Home]>
is anybody thinking of getting the new northtec micro client?
18:41
norhtec even
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<jammcq>
hola
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<cliebow__>
Egyptian[Home], ogra isnt too impressed with em...
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