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Channel log from 26 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
Night all
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<estong>
i am using ltsp5, i need to do "nfs-kernel-server restart" each time that i reboot the server otherwise, "mount failed" error occurs at the thinclients.
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on debian etch
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<rcy>
vagrantc: whats the problem with booting the intels?
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<Q-FUNK>
*yawn*
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<vagrantc>
rcy: they give me this error message: PXE-E55 ProxyDHCP - No reply to request on port 4011
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etherboot works like a charm
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i tried to set up the PXE daemon, and they did boot from that (though i'm clueless how to configure it to actually boot what i want)
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<cyberorg>
hi ltsp devs, would you mind giving your inputs to this? http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/KIWI-LTSP-Tasks
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we(opensuse community members) are trying to get this off the ground for a long time now, we hope to get a lot more done before opensuse 10.3 release in october
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<vagrantc>
cyberorg: the distinctions between initrd, server and client seem weak ...
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as the server builds the client environment, some things could be modified at build time ... and the initrd is definitely generated server-side ...
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<cyberorg>
vagrantc, yes initrd is generated, but it is done by another process using kiwi netboot image
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<cyberorg>
by client i mean, the chroot on the server
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<vagrantc>
so this whole process is talking about chroot creation and nothing else, really.
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although, the last two server-side tasks seem broader in scope than kiwi...
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<cyberorg>
yeah, initrd and the chroot creation, then initscripts, ldm and other things
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yeah those are LTSP specific
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<vagrantc>
i had best sleep before sunrise
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or maybe i should watch it and then sleep
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<cyberorg>
ok 'night, we will see you more :), we just had one developer join us so this new push
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<vagrantc>
excellent! :)
08:04
sounds like y'all might beat fedora after all :)
08:05* vagrantc hopes to incite some healthy competativeness
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<cyberorg>
we have a chroot boot up, ldm come up and user log in
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<vagrantc>
that's 90 percent of it
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<cyberorg>
vagrantc, naah, no competiveness, we are bunch of community folks trying to get ltsp on a distro we like :)
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we can also manually mount local devices using ltspfs
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have a good rest, you may end up spending more time here :)
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<jbassett>
Good afternoon
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I have just setup LTSP 4.2 using Xandros 4.1
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My terminals are Compaq Evo T20's
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Problem:
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1 terminal is fine, gets ip 172.16.1.99. More than one terminal and I have an issue where all terminals will restart X after about 5 minutes constantly
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My research indicates that all terminals MAC addresses are reporting to be all 00:00's
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so they all end up getting the 172.16.1.99 ip address
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This was not happening with LTSP 4.1 on the same system
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I get this error in my logs which seems to be related:
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Received signal 15, shutting down cleanly
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Has anyone come across similar?
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<jbassett>
crashed again
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I have tested and it even crashes when the terminals are in runlevel 3 with no X
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<mohamed__>
hi, i install ltsp server and when i start client i got an error PXE-E97: NBP is too big to fit in free base memory, can anyone help me ?
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the system i use is gentoo
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<jbassett>
mohamed_ Looks like this will help:
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http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/2496096.html
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<sbalneav>
morning all
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<jammcq>
g'morning homies
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<jbassett>
Trying LTSP using Debian package
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Terminal boot gets to a message stating:
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nfsmount: need a path and goes no furthur
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nfs is active and exports shows /opt/ltsp as exported
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Ah, looks like i need to remove the ip from dhcp rootpath statement
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<enggars>
need help ltsp on kubuntu
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please respond
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<str4nd>
Ok: http://wiki.ltsp.org/
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<enggars>
kay, im on download page
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which one i should download for kubuntu 6.10?
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<jammcq>
enggars: why don't you tell us what problem you are having?
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<enggars>
noo im a newbie
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just want to try
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<jammcq>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<jbassett>
In dhcpd.conf i have altered root path statment to not have the ip address but now i get a "rpc failed: 2" error
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<enggars>
E: Couldn't find package ltsp-server-standalone
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<jammcq>
enggars: hmm, what version of kubuntu?
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jbassett: try this on the server: showmount -e
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<enggars>
kubuntu 6.06 LTS
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<jammcq>
hmm, why so old?
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<jbassett>
showmount -e lists 2 exports:
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/opt/ltsp
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<jammcq>
hmm
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<jbassett>
/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles
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<enggars>
is it impossible in this version?
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<jammcq>
jbassett: what do you have for 'root-path' ?
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<jbassett>
opt/ltsp is where i bunzipped the debian version of ltsp 5
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<jammcq>
enggars: umm, seems like it should work
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jbassett: are you running on debian ?
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<jbassett>
option root-path "/opt/ltsp/debian_etch_i386";
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Xandros
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<jammcq>
oh
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hmm
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<jbassett>
4.1 worked fine, 4.2 booted but had some issues
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<jammcq>
keep in mind 5.0 is a whole different animal
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<jbassett>
yeh its my first day working with 5
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<sbalneav>
!localdev
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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<jbassett>
got ltsp5 client booting now
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had to install nfs-kernel-server and remove user-server
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now it boots into x bu my screen goes off
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I understand ltsp5 does not use lts.conf for x settings is that right?
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<mvip>
I have a question regarding the behavior of LTSP5....the clients boot up fine and the GDMish login appears...however, when I log in I get logged into the main system, not into the chrooted env... is this the way it's supposed to be?
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<mvip>
if i log into the console however, i get logged into the chrooted environment
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<jbassett>
mvip what is the equivalent of lts.conf in version5?
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i need to alter my x settings as i cant see a thing
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<mvip>
ltsp.conf i think
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or maybe ltsp.conf and lts.conf are the same
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<jbassett>
cant find either in ltsp 5
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<mvip>
they don't exist by default
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<Mawkee>
I'm using LTSP 4.2 on a just-installed Debian Lenny system. I've done everything, except one little thing that is bothering me: I can't make the system set the correct $DISPLAY variable. It always gets the IP address instead of the host name. X starts okay - the NFS presented no errors so far, and whatever I configure to [ws005 on /etc/lts.conf is actually used. /etc/hosts seems to be okay. Anybody here has an idea? I've tried google, but I don't know the c
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brb
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so ... i'm trying to get ltspfs to work with sdm again ...
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trying to figure out what actually calls the ltspfs command on the server
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ltspfsd is running, cdpinger is running ... i can manually mount the ltspfs mount ... but it doesn't get triggered on login or device insertion
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!localdev
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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<vagrantc>
ssh -S /tmp/.ltspfs_socket server "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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that's the part that isn't happening
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<vagrantc>
ah...
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that was probably a change on my request for /var/run/ldm_socket
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well, got it kind of working now
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certainly not as smoothly as with ldm
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well, now it seems just as smooth as with ldm ...
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altough cdpinger doesn't appear to be working
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<sbalneav>
You been pulling from my ltspfs-nodm tree?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: no. packages from debian re-built for etch
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deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main
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since ltspfs didn't make it into etch
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<sbalneav>
I've changed the socket file name a fair amount recently.
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<sbalneav>
In order to be able to support both the multi server capability, and the ability to run more than one ldm at a time, the file's now named...
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i think we should use /var/run/ltsp/* rather than dropping all our files into /var/run
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<sbalneav>
/var/run/ldm_socket_vtn_ipaddr
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<vagrantc>
good
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<sbalneav>
so now, you'll get files named like: ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.1
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<ari_stress>
motninh
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morning, i mean :)
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<sbalneav>
Evening!
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You still stressed? :)
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<ari_stress>
yes i am :)
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<sbalneav>
Id've thought that would have dissapated by now.
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<ari_stress>
i was trying to make sound works in ltsp5 in the weekend. no good. but, i guess it's not a priority. today i'm gonna test local printing :)
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<sbalneav>
sound should work fine. What problem were you having?
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<ari_stress>
well, is ltsp5 sound different than ltsp4? i was reading the wiki http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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and check whether /dev/dsp presents, it does present in the client
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i tried esd, alsa, nard
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interesting thing: when I chose various output device, the test sound came in the server not client.
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<sbalneav>
ltsp5 sound is wildly different than 4
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It uses pulse
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<ari_stress>
oh ok. i chose pulse, but it compained for not able to connect to the server
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complained
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<sbalneav>
What does your lts.conf file look like?
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<ari_stress>
let me get it
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the ltsp server is not up yet, but base on my memory:
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SOUND true, SOUND_DAEMON esd, SCREEN_02 shell
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<sbalneav>
Ditch the SOUND_DAEMON
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just let it go with the default of pulse.
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You're running the gnome desktop?
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<ari_stress>
it wasn't there originally, i just add it last weekend.
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yes gnome
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LTSP5 + feisty
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<sbalneav>
Should work then. What were you testing that wasn't working?
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<ari_stress>
when gnome logons, it should produce sound. right? also i was testing the sound using the preferences > sound
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the testing client is compaq presario v3000 notebook
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<sbalneav>
Should work. Works on all my clients.
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Unless it's not liking your notebook's sound card.
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<ari_stress>
what is the log file to troubleshoot this? in /var/log/messages of the server there's none related, and also in /opt/ltsp/i386/log/messages too
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sbalneav: yeah, i guess i need to test it on different client, to make sure to localize the problem
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<sbalneav>
Well, you'd actually have to check on the client
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Have a client there in front of you?
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<ari_stress>
yes, i'm using it right now :D but it means i have to disconnect from the internet. that's ok. i
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i'll reconnect later after the testing
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thanks sbalneav, you are great
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much appreciate it
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ok i'll reboot now
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<vagrantc>
well, i *thought* i had it working smoothly ... now the next machine is giving me some weird problems
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: You got core upload rights yet in Ubuntu?
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<vagrantc>
no
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<sbalneav>
Poop
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Got a debdiff I need sponsored.
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I was quite proud of myself! nbd-server didn't include the (5) manpage.
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I figured out how to add it all by myself!
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I'm a big boy now! Yayy! :)
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<vagrantc>
so, whenever ltspfs connects to the ssh socket ... it dies.
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<sbalneav>
ltspfs doesn't ever connect to the ssh socket, itself. The udev rule fires add_fstab_entry, that shoots the ltspfsmounter add command to the server over the socket. This calls ltspfs, which then does the mount.
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<vagrantc>
well, yeah...
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whatever runs over the ssh socket, when it runs, kills the X connection ...
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any command run over the socket seems to kill the x server
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why it works fine on one machine and not the other is beyond me.
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<sbalneav>
Running the command over the ssh connection kills the X server? SOmething wrong there :)
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<vagrantc>
really? :P
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<sbalneav>
In my educated opinion, yes.
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<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "using ssh socket kills x" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/290
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<sbalneav>
Ooooh
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display <none>
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Null pointer!
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Buffer overrun somewhere.
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<vagrantc>
so, logging into a different server works ... only difference is one is using ssh keys.
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well, i guess i haven't tried icewm ... hmmm...
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<vagrantc>
works fine for my user on one server logging in with password, doesn't work for another user on another server logging in with ssh keys
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<vagrantc>
aha!
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the ssh key is restricted to certain commands
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to a specific command
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sbalneav: so ... every time i type df ... every terminal with someone logged in the floppy light goes on ...
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sbalneav: is there some sane way to cache that information ?
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for some reason CD drives don't seem to work ...
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<rcy>
maybe doing something with df -t can suppress looking at the fd's
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<vagrantc>
it will be hard for me to change my habitually typing df when i'm thinking
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<rcy>
alias
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<rcy>
but yeah, not really a solution
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i was doing a debian installation and building a complicated filesystem layout... everytime it scanned the partitions it took a good 90 seconds because it was timing out on the nonexistent /dev/fd0
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i rebooted and disabled the diskette in the bios
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