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Channel log from 8 February 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:04
<AzMoo>
Is there a way I can set the client's network details statically?
00:04
<vagrantc>
this is over a wan ?
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<vagrantc>
what kind of bandwidth and latency?
00:05
<AzMoo>
10Mbit, about 70ms
00:05
er, wait, no it seems the latency is far less than that.
00:06
wow. Windows is reporting <1ms
00:07
linux is reporting 3-4ms.
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<tuukka>
Hi! i ran into this problem (in gutsy) where nautilus ends up taking all the processor time after it's closed on some occasions = process is left open. i found several similar statements by googleing but none could help me ... any insights/ideas/solutions/reasons into this problem??
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<daduke>
vagrantc: hi there! we're running LTSP5 on Debian etch and would like to add entries to the xorg.conf font path. Do you happen to know how/where the xorg.conf is generated? Haven't been able to figure it out yet.... thanks.
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01:28
<vagrantc>
daduke: are you using the ltsp packages in etch, or the backports of newer ltsp?
01:29
daduke: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | egrep ^ii
01:29
!pastebot
01:29
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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02:02
<Pascal_1>
Bonjour !!
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02:28
<daduke>
vagrantc: sorry for the delay... we use alioth.debian.org backports: ii ltsp-server 5.0.40~bzr20071229-1~40.etch.0 basic LTSP server environment
02:28
ii ltspfs 0.5.0~bzr20080109-3~40.etch.0 Fuse based remote filesystem for LTSP thin c
02:28
ii ldm 5.0.39debian1~40.etch.0 LTSP display manager
02:28
ii ltsp-client 5.0.39debian1~40.etch.0 LTSP client environment
02:28
ii ltsp-client-core 5.0.39debian1~40.etch.0 LTSP client environment
02:28
ii ltspfsd 0.5+debian1~0.fg.1 Fuse based remote filesystem daemon for LTSP
02:28
vagrantc: ooops, didn't see pastebot in time. my bad.
02:30
<vagrantc>
daduke: ok, so a bit out of date....
02:31
i don't think any major changes in xorg.conf handling though ...
02:32
daduke: by default, it calls the script /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/configure-x.sh
02:32
daduke: with the newer version of ltsp-client-core, you can override that ... not sure if it's in the version you have
02:32
daduke: what entries do you want to add to the font path?
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02:44
<daduke>
vagrantc: we need 2 additional font paths for mathematica.
02:44
vagrantc: thanks a lot for the info, I will have a look immediately. Probably that was the missing info.
02:45
<vagrantc>
daduke: you can also specify a static xorg.conf ... using X_CONF=/path/to/xorg.conf in lts.conf
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02:46
<daduke>
vagrantc: yes I know, and that's what we did in the beginning, but we got different clients needing different xorg.confs
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02:47
<vagrantc>
daduke: if you want local device support, i would recommend upgrading ldm and ltspfs and ltspfsd
02:49
<daduke>
vagrantc: that's the other thing we're still working on! multiple USB sticks didn't work. Is this fixed now? That'd be terrific news!
02:49
<vagrantc>
daduke: should be working better.
02:49
!debian
02:49
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
02:50
<vagrantc>
daduke: check out the howto page
02:50
<daduke>
vagrantc: thanks so much! You're the man.
02:52
vagrantc: we're rolling out LTSP clients to our PhD students at the Physics Dept. of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Lotsa fame for LTSP ;)
02:53
<vagrantc>
daduke: hope it fixes your issues ... there's one glitch with the new backports ... it requires upgrading mount or symlinking /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts
02:53
otherwise output from df gets confused
02:54
spent a fair amount of time working on ltspfs the last two months
02:54
<daduke>
vagrantc: would mount from backports help? or is symlinking /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts safe without side effects?
02:54
vagrantc: time well spent! thanks so much for the effort.
02:55
<vagrantc>
daduke: there may be side-effects to the symlink approach ... but mostly it should be safe. if you regularly mount the server's floppy drive or CDROM or whatever, you might get some issues.
02:56
daduke: backports.org doesn't seem to have a new version of mount
02:56
daduke: so you'd have to backport it yourself
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02:57
<daduke>
vagrantc: nope, that's all network. backporting is not problem. We have ppl doing that all day ;) any specific version to look for?
02:57
<vagrantc>
daduke: should be fixed in 2.13 of util-linux
02:59
daduke: still haven't figured out the "white background" problem with the backported ldm on etch.
02:59
<daduke>
vagrantc: can you please specify? Not sure we've seen that...
02:59
<vagrantc>
daduke: at some point, i tried the backported etch binaries on lenny, and it worked fine. (although now i think GTK has diverged too much)
03:00
daduke: login screen shows a white background instead of the bg.png ...
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03:00
<vagrantc>
so i think it's some change in the gtk stuff that ldm uses.
03:00
<daduke>
vagrantc: yep, but that's no prob for us, we just replaced the logo in a new theme. That's all we need.
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03:01* vagrantc wants to be able to change the background too ...
03:01
<vagrantc>
especially white backgrounds...
03:02* daduke agrees, but mathematica fonts and USB sticks are more important to us ;)
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03:02
<vagrantc>
heh
03:02
well good luck with that. i should get some sleep.
03:03
<daduke>
vagrantc: thanks so much again. More progress in 10 min than in the last 2 weeks ;)
03:03
vagrantc: good night
03:17
<vagrantc>
daduke: well, the util-linux from lenny builds ok on etch ... not sure if it runs properly or anything ...
03:18
(i couldn't resist)
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03:25
<Pascal_1>
hello is there a good link for explaination about nbd ?? the new version doesnt use nfs anymore but nbd and i would like to know more about it
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04:06
<Pascal_1>
arf!!
04:06
i've got some problem to make works ltsp on ubuntu 7.10
04:07
when i try to connect on thin client i've got this error : read : connection refused
04:07
what does that mean ?
04:10
anybody to help me ?
04:10
i made a classic install of ubuntu
04:11
then apt-get install ltsp-server openssh-server
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then ltsp-buil-client
04:11
no trouble for that the problems came after during boot of thin client
04:11
read : connection refused
04:13
i thought ubuntu didnt use nfs, my problem could came from that ?
04:13
help !
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04:23
<Pascal_1>
anybody to help me ?
04:25
does the new version need nfs ?
04:34
nobody here ?
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04:48
<Pascal_1>
with the new version what is the syntaxe for dhcpd.conf when nbd is used and not nfs ?
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04:50
<Pascal_1>
ogra could you help me please ?
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05:11
<Pascal_1>
!paste
05:11
<ltspbot>
Pascal_1: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
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05:13
<Pascal_1>
here is my config and the problem i meet : http://pastebin.com/m60a03736
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06:41
<marcellod>
hello
06:41
anyone is using
06:41
ltsp
06:41
on heavy load?
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06:48
<humbolt>
marcellod: what is heavy?
06:48
I only run it on 3-6 terminals
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06:57
<Pascal_1>
anybody for my problem ?
06:57
http://pastebin.com/m60a03736 the same configuration works with ubuntu dapper
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07:00
<tuukka>
marcellod: i'm running ltsp on 13 terminals
07:01
<sep>
4 servers with 40-50 terminals on each
07:01
<Pascal_1>
somebody told me that ltsp5 on gutsy didnt use anymore nfs but it seems to be used , i dont understand
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07:01
<johnny>
it's not used
07:01
on my system at all
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07:02
<johnny>
the rootfs is delivered via nbd
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07:02
<Pascal_1>
via have you seen my pastebin ??
07:03
this configuration works with ubuntu dapper but not with gutsy, what i have to change ?
07:03
<johnny>
start over
07:03
<Pascal_1>
?
07:03
<johnny>
well keep your dhcp and tftp config
07:03
<Pascal_1>
what do you mean ?
07:03
my config is good for you ?
07:04
it looks like it try to use nfs to download fs
07:05
johnny, you told me that i have to install again ubuntu and ltsp ?
07:07
<humbolt>
I know you can make LTSP5 on gutsy use NFS by tweaking some things in the client environment. My question is, if it is possible to use the same client environment for both NFS and NBD clients?
07:07
<johnny>
no
07:07
err
07:07
humbolt, yes it is
07:08
people do devel that way
07:08
and testing
07:08
<Pascal_1>
do i have to keep this argument passed to the kernell "nfsroot=192.168.39.199:/opt/ltsp/i386"
07:08
<johnny>
they don't run at the same time
07:08
Pascal_1, no
07:08
humbolt, it's set at the server level globally
07:08
<Pascal_1>
johnny, what i have to do ?
07:08
<johnny>
purge your ltsp config files
07:08
err install files
07:08
and reinstall
07:08
<Pascal_1>
where they are ?
07:09
<johnny>
Pascal_1, read your docs for yoru os :)
07:09
<Pascal_1>
reinstal ltsp ?
07:09
<johnny>
yes
07:09
and then rebuild the image
07:09
ltsp-build-client
07:09
<Pascal_1>
do i have to make ltsp-build-client
07:09
<johnny>
yes
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07:09
<johnny>
delete your old one
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07:09
<johnny>
create a new one
07:09
in fact.. maybe that'll just work
07:09
<Pascal_1>
you told me to read the doc, could you give me url ?
07:10
<johnny>
man apt-get ?
07:10
etc
07:10
<Pascal_1>
hmm, y dont reinstall ltsp (apt-get install) only ltsp-build-client ??
07:10
<johnny>
because who knows what you might have lying around
07:10
<Pascal_1>
i make apt-get install ltsp-server openssh-server what more ?
07:10
<johnny>
i don't actually know what generates /var/lib/tftpboot files
07:11
you could backup /var/lib/tftpboot and /opt/ltsp
07:11
or rather move them
07:11
and then run ltsp-build-client
07:12
<marcellod>
thank all for replies
07:12
i m going to install an try
07:13
my only dubt is only on multimedia performances/capabilities
07:14
<Pascal_1>
johnny, is there log created during ltsp-buil-client ?
07:17
<johnny>
maybe.. i don't know :)
07:17
i'm not an expert
07:17
i'm sure it's feasible
07:17
i just know it works for me :)
07:17
<Pascal_1>
could you show me your config file (dhcp and default file ) ?
07:18
<johnny>
i just dnsmasq
07:18
not dhcp
07:18
it wouldn't be relevant for you
07:18
or rather.. not dhcpd
07:18
just try buidling the image
07:18
see what happens
07:19
<Pascal_1>
but why it works with dapper and not with gutsy ?
07:20
<johnny>
i'm not going to help you figure that out ..would prolly take too long
07:20
just build it :)
07:20
gutsy is different enough is the easy answer
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07:27
<Pascal_1>
then first apt-get autoremove --purge ltsp-server ?
07:28
and apt-get install ltsp-server ??
07:28
<johnny>
just try building a new client
07:28
after doing what i said
07:28
moving those two directories
07:29
<Pascal_1>
i reinstalling ltsp-server and i've got this error : Paramétrage de nbd-server (1:2.9.6-1ubuntu3) ...
07:29
** (process:8677): WARNING **: Could not parse config file: Unknown error
07:29
** Message: Nothing to do! Bye!
07:29
nbd-server.
07:30
<johnny>
think i got that too
07:30
ignore it for now
07:31
<Pascal_1>
ok
07:31
lets ltsp-build-client !!
07:32
at the end of this apt-get it talk about nfs ??
07:32
<johnny>
huh?
07:34
<Pascal_1>
where i can paste in other place than here ?
07:34
<johnny>
pastebin of some kind
07:34
!pasteboot
07:34
<ltspbot>
johnny: Error: "pasteboot" is not a valid command.
07:34
<johnny>
err
07:34
!pastebot
07:34
<ltspbot>
johnny: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
07:35
<Pascal_1>
johnny, http://pastebin.com/m2737f824
07:35
the installation speak about nfs i dont understand why
07:35
<johnny>
who cares :)
07:35
just go
07:35
<Pascal_1>
ok
07:35
I: Retrieving makedev
07:35
W: Couldn't download package makedev
07:36
<johnny>
lol..
07:36
that sucks
07:36
<Pascal_1>
is it important ?
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07:40
<johnny>
you'll find out i guess
07:40
if it's still going it's prolly fine
07:42
<Pascal_1>
the installation failed
07:42
have you got a knife ?
07:43
<johnny>
failed where?
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<Pascal_1>
depend make dev ;-)....
07:45
makedev
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<Pascal_1>
i try again apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
07:46
<johnny>
does that run build-client?
07:46
<Pascal_1>
(standalone option)
07:47
n,o
07:47
no
07:48
<johnny>
then i don't think it'll help
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<johnny>
if it can't download it.. maybe your mirror is bad?
07:48
that's pretty basic package
07:48
needed on your system anyways
07:49
<Pascal_1>
arf now : Retrieving libpci2
07:49
W: Couldn't download package libpci2
07:49
may be the mirror
07:51
I: Configuring initramfs-tools...
07:51
W: Failure while configuring base packages. This will be attempted 5 times
07:51
it's crasy
07:52
<johnny>
yeah.. it must be your mirror or something
07:52
uggh.. soo late
07:52
almost 9am
07:52
<Pascal_1>
oups sorry
07:53
<johnny>
try again in an hour or so
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07:57
<Pascal_1>
actually this is this default mirror : http://security.ubuntu.com//ubuntu gutsy main restricted
07:57
is there a better mirror than this one ?
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08:12
<Pascal_1>
reinstall completed....................connection refused
08:12
i dont understand anything, the same configuration worked on dapper ............... :-(
08:20
anybody ?
08:21
i think i m going to reinstall dapper :-(
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08:31
<Pascal_1>
Gadi, !!!! could you help me ?
08:31
i'm lost
08:33
Gadi, http://pastebin.com/m60a03736
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<Nubae>
hi
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08:36
<Nubae>
what happens during this stage of bootup: * Loading manual drivers?
08:38
If this is loading things like nvidia/ati drivers I would like to skip it altogether, but not sure where to disable that startup option
08:42
<Gadi>
Pascal_1: sounds like ur 2 dhcp servers are conflicting
08:42
Nubae: that is udev - you need that
08:42
<Pascal_1>
i've got only one dhcp
08:42
<Gadi>
LTSP installation on a second server "ltsp" @ip 192.168.39.199
08:42
not according to that
08:42
:)
08:43
<Pascal_1>
only ltsp on this server no dhcp
08:43
<Gadi>
ps -ale|grep dhcp on that box
08:44
<Pascal_1>
nothing
08:44
netstat -ntulp give nothing
08:44
<Nubae>
this is for a fat client
08:45
<Gadi>
Pascal_1: how about: showmount -e
08:45
<Pascal_1>
on the ltsp serve ?
08:45
<Nubae>
the system hangs on udev looks like
08:45
<Gadi>
yes
08:45
<Pascal_1>
i've not this command
08:45
<Gadi>
Nubae: then, you may have a bad udev rule
08:45
Pascal_1: did you install nfs-kernel-server?
08:45
<Nubae>
I haven't touched udev
08:45
<Pascal_1>
no
08:46
<Gadi>
well, how is it going to nfsmount if you have no nfs?
08:46
<Nubae>
but I'll check it out, maybe there is something thin client specific
08:46
<Pascal_1>
i thought that ltsp on gutsy didnt use nfs
08:46
<Gadi>
you are telling it to
08:46
nfsroot=192.168.39.199:/opt/ltsp/i386
08:46
<Pascal_1>
yes this the config wich works with dapper, what i have to do on gutsy ?
08:46
without nfs ?
08:46
you are right ;-)
08:47
when i erase this param i've nfsmount need path
08:47
<Gadi>
remove: root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp nfsroot=192.168.39.199:/opt/ltsp/i386
08:47
and MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048
08:47
<Pascal_1>
if i do that (if i remember well) it told me nfsmount need path
08:48
i try now ..... wait
08:48
<Gadi>
also, make sure you are serving it *gutsy's* kernel and initrmamfs
08:49
*initramfs
08:49
NOT debian's
08:49
<Pascal_1>
it told me "nfsmount need a path"
08:50
how i can know what kernel i serve
08:50
you mean in the tftp server ?
08:50
<Gadi>
filename in dhcpd.conf
08:50
yeah
08:50
<Pascal_1>
you think it could be the reason ??
08:50
<Gadi>
you need to give a gutsy chroot a gutsy kernel+initramfs
08:51
definitely
08:51
<Pascal_1>
may be it's an old installation and i keep the debian kernel...... you think it could be the answer ?? but why it worked with dapper ?
08:55
<Nubae>
I took out ltsp-client-core out of init.d, would that affect udev?
08:55
figured it was getting in the way of starting up as a fat client
08:55
<Gadi>
Nubae: that will break your thin client
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08:55
<Gadi>
and no
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<Nuba2>
Nubae: ok, here's some background... I tried to make a minimal X based fat client system by apt-get install edubuntu-addon-light gdm
08:58
(03:57:01 PM) Nubae: nfs stuff and ldap client stuff too
08:58
(03:57:48 PM) Nubae: but the startup always freezes, though if I do a totally minimal install, ie... just gdm and xfce with no apps, it works
08:58
(03:57:51 PM) Nubae: startup is fine
08:59
I spoke with ogra, and he mentioned ltsp-client-core could be getting in the way
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09:00
<Nuba2>
so moved the run levels, so gdm was before ltsp-client-core, but that made no difference
09:00
<Gadi>
where does it freeze?
09:00
<Nuba2>
I'm not exactly sure where to look for the freezes
09:00
well, right now its on udev, like you said
09:01
but it has gotten further than that... all the way to ltsp-client-setup or starting gdm
09:01
I'm sort of playing a guessing game by taking stuff out of init.d, but I'm sure thats not the right way to do this :-)
09:02
<Gadi>
is it a low-powered client?
09:02
<Nuba2>
what I dont get is that the chroot can be working fine, and then I install just one or 2 packages with apt-get, and startup no longer works
09:03
no way, its a core 2 duo with 1 gig or ram
09:03
I have 20 of them, laptops, which is why I'm desperate to get this working
09:03
<Gadi>
do a dpkg -L on the edubuntu pkg you installed
09:03
see what it added
09:04* Gadi doubts its gdm's fault
09:04
<Nuba2>
ok, I'm gonna make a fresh chroot, and install just edubuntu-addon-light, gdm, nfs, and ldap
09:04
I'll tell u when its at that point...
09:04
I'm making a wiki howto, but till I get it working right every time, the instructions are useless :-/
09:07
<Pascal_1>
gadi imake the modification : from my ltsp server i copy the contain of tftpboot on my tftp server, now i've got this error : mounting sys on /root/sys failed no such file or directory, same for proc
09:07
target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init
09:08
before i've got mountin rofs on /root/rofs failed invalid argument
09:11
gadi ?
09:11
any idea ?
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09:13
<r3zon8>
im coming off of k12ltsp (fc4 based), and i want to get some advice of which is most current os to run ltsp on for about 30 clients?
09:14
<Nuba2>
debian or ubuntu
09:14
<r3zon8>
fc4 is outdated, and ubuntu feels right
09:14
and i really liked the 'prebundled' install of k12ltsp, but i have no prob getting it working on my own
09:15
<Nuba2>
well, the basics are the same with ubuntu, its pretty simple
09:15
<r3zon8>
i definitely would like ot give ubuntu a try nuba
09:15
<Nuba2>
should be plug and play
09:15
<r3zon8>
i read the server version comes prebundled
09:15
with ltsp
09:16
<Guaraldo>
Someone had problems with ltsp4.2 on gutsy about LocalDevices?
09:16
<Nuba2>
well, if you are feeling experimental try the new alpha4 hardy
09:16
if its a production server though, maybe stick to gutsy
09:17
well, gutsy comes with ltsp 5
09:19
<r3zon8>
yes, this would be production
09:19
what id like is to setup ubuntu server on a test box i ve got, maybe hookup a tc to it and see how it goes
09:20
check out the new office apps, usb key support, vmware
09:20
ive just never ran an ubuntu box before :/
09:20
red hat then fedora for many years
09:22
is there a ubuntu,ltsp wiki around?
09:22
ubuntu+wiki
09:22
ubuntu+ltsp i mean
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<Nuba2>
well, if you want to test, I suggest going for hardy
09:33
there are some problems with local devices, shared vnc sessions and some hardware detection in gutsy
09:33
but its all fixable
09:33
<daduke>
r3zon8: https://wiki.ubuntu.com and search for ltsp
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<Nuba2>
there are several ubuntu wikis
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<Nuba2>
the best is under community.ubuntu.com I believe
09:34
help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
09:35
vmware you'll have to set up aside, its not included in the default installs
09:35
but its not hard, I've got it working here
09:37
<Pascal_1>
Gadi, now i've got" mounting rofs on /root/rofs failed invalid argument"
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<r3zon8>
so i should definitely concentrate on edubuntu for my ltsp enviroment?
09:40
environment
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<Nuba2>
I would
09:46
the ltsp5 developers are very involved with ubuntu and debian
09:46
so I think you'll see the most advances if you stick to edubuntu
09:46
<r3zon8>
nice, i keep getting disconnected while download the image
09:47
<Nuba2>
using wget?
09:47
<r3zon8>
just off the website
09:48
nm, looks like it going now, picked another mirror
09:49
gonna grab some lunch then try to set it up
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<Pascal_1>
gady ??
09:53
Gadi, ?
09:54
my problem, is it a bug ? => http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/06/21/%23edubuntu.txt
09:55
ogra, ?
10:01
i thought i've just to install ubuntu ltsp and run....................... i'm desesperate
10:12
nobody to help me?
10:12
Gadi, i make what you told me to do...it doesnt work anymore
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<Nuba2>
Pascal, why dont you try installing Gutsy
10:20
its already got nbd functionality built in
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10:23
<Pascal_1>
Nubae, but it's gutsy i installed
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<Nubae>
and whats the problem you're getting?
10:24
<Pascal_1>
when i boot the thin client i've got this error message "mounting rofs on /root/rofs failed invalid argument"
10:24
<Nubae>
why dont you try rebuilding the chroot
10:24
<Pascal_1>
ltsp-build-client ?
10:24
<Nubae>
sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
10:24
<Pascal_1>
i do that twice
10:24
<Nubae>
and then ltsp-build-client
10:25
ah, and you get the same error every time?
10:25
<Pascal_1>
yes
10:25
<Nubae>
you're on i386 or x64?
10:26
<Pascal_1>
i386
10:30
<Nubae>
and you get a busybox prompt?
10:31
<Pascal_1>
you a command line ?
10:31
yes
10:32
initramfs
10:33
<Nubae>
paste your dhcpd.conf and /etc/network/interfaces into pastebot.ltsp.nl
10:35
<Pascal_1>
http://pastebin.com/m60a03736
10:35
there is something starnge : on my tftp server on the log the thin client try to get lts.conf
10:36
usualy it try to found it on the ltsp server
10:36
no ?
10:36
<Nubae>
it looks for lts.conf here: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
10:37
<Pascal_1>
yes but if you saw my configuration, the ltsp server is on a machine and the dhcp-tftp server are on an other machine
10:38
why it try to get lts.conf here ?
10:39
<Nubae>
yeah I see that, it looks like your clients are not finding the tftp server
10:39
<Pascal_1>
they find it at the beginning of the boot to load kernel
10:39
did you see my config ?
10:40
<Nubae>
yeah, but y are you mounting via nfs and not nbd?
10:40
<Pascal_1>
yes i modify it : http://pastebin.com/m5870a0aa
10:40
nbd
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<Pascal_1>
it was an old config file, Gadi make modify it
10:42
<Nubae>
ok, so your tftp and dhcp servers are on .247
10:42
<Pascal_1>
the error is not the same than on the pastebin now its "mounting rofs on /root/rofs failed invalid argument", because the kernel on my tftp was not a "gutsy one"
10:42
<Nubae>
and actual ltsp server is .199?
10:42
<Pascal_1>
Nubae, yes
10:42
yes
10:42
this configuration because i used already tftp server
10:43
<Nubae>
and how does your setup know the ltsp server is at .199?
10:43
<Pascal_1>
:-( i dont know :-(
10:44
where i could write that ?
10:45
<Nubae>
where is your nbdserver?
10:45
<Pascal_1>
i understand what you say but i dont know wherre to put this information, whan i use d it with nfs it was indicated in my default file (nfsroot....) but with nbd ???
10:45
<Nubae>
on .199?
10:45
<Pascal_1>
the nbdserver is on the ltsp machine
10:45
yes on 199
10:46
<Nubae>
ok.. well normally you can define the port of the image by adding nbdport=2001 or something
10:46
the nbd image is defined in inetd.conf
10:46
so check what you have there
10:46
you might be able to point to the full machine, have a check what options are allowed for pxelinux.cfg for nbd stuff
10:46
<Pascal_1>
i try this "NBDPORT=2000" on my "default" file may be i have to put the ip adresse non ?
10:47
<Nubae>
yes... but not sure where
10:47
nbdhost=
10:48
so try adding that, nbdhost= 192.168.33.199
10:48
to pxelinux.cfg/default
10:48
that should fix it
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<Pascal_1>
i try now
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<Pascal_1>
that dont change, it try again on my tftp server and not on my ltsp server
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<Nubae>
did u restart the dhcp and tftp server?
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<Nubae>
and inetd
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<Pascal_1>
no
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<Nubae>
do /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart
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<Pascal_1>
no more
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<Pascal_1>
he want to get it on my tftp server
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<Nubae>
wait, so where is pxelinux.cfg/default starting from?
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<Pascal_1>
??
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<Pascal_1>
look my default file :
10:54
kernel vmlinuz
10:54
append initrd=ltsp/initrd.img nbdhost=192.168.151.199 nbdport=2000
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<Nubae>
yeah, but where is that file?
10:54
on which machine?
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<Pascal_1>
this file is on the tftp server (199)
10:54
oups 247
10:54
this file is on the tftp server 247
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<Nubae>
hmm, then it should be ok
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<Pascal_1>
you speak about the default file ?
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<Pascal_1>
if yes it's on the tftp server 247
10:55
then why the client try to get lts.conf on it ?
10:56
no idea ?
10:57
what it's strange is when i try with gutsy and nfs it works fine
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<Pascal_1>
not gutsy dapper
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<Nubae>
right, but because the nfs server is pointing to the correct place
10:57
the thing here is getting your tftp server to go to the nbdserver
10:57
it should be with the nbdhost=
10:58
lts.conf it tries to get on the tftp server because it doesnt know where the nbd image is
10:58
<Pascal_1>
i understand that
10:59
<Nubae>
im just not sure the tftp server really restarted
10:59
it should be pointing to the new place otherwise
10:59
<Gadi>
Pascal_1: sorry - I am in and out today, but try: nbdroot=<server>:<port>
11:00
with port = 2000
11:00
<Pascal_1>
gadi !!!!
11:00
i try
11:01
<Nubae>
u've got a might complex set up there... would be easier to have things on the same machine ;-)
11:02
<Pascal_1>
Nubae, i know that :-(
11:02
anyway if it works it's great
11:03
for the moment it stay on "filename : ltsp/nbi.img
11:04
wait....
11:05
:-(
11:05
it freeze on this line
11:06
<Nubae>
why ltsp/initrd.img and not just initrd.img?
11:06
<Pascal_1>
kernel vmlinuz
11:06
append initrd=ltsp/initrd.img nbdroot=192.168.39.199:2000
11:06
because i put it on the ltsp directory i didnt want to "melt"
11:07
<Nubae>
ok, and you changed inet.conf to reflect that?
11:07
inetd.conf
11:07
<Pascal_1>
the inetd.conf of my ltsp server ?
11:08
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
11:08
and hosts.allow
11:08
nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
11:08
is it good
11:08
?
11:08
<Gadi>
Pascal_1: I have only: DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash
11:08
so, you should have something like that + nbdroot=server:2000
11:08
<Nubae>
yeah but he moved it the .img to ltsp
11:09
<Gadi>
which image?
11:09
the squashfs image?
11:09
<Nubae>
(06:06:54 PM) Pascal_1: because i put it on the ltsp directory i didnt want to "melt"
11:10
<Gadi>
what is "it"
11:10
and which ltsp directory?
11:10
<Nubae>
initrd.img
11:10
<Pascal_1>
wait i show you it's the arborescence of my tftpserver
11:10
<Gadi>
ah - here's an idea - lets not change everysingle path away from the default and see what happens :P
11:11
<Nubae>
hehehe
11:11* Nubae goes for a smoke
11:12
<Pascal_1>
here is my tftp server arbo
11:12
http://pastebin.com/m1fba08f4
11:14
it doesnt works like that Gadi "DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash"
11:14
<Gadi>
initrd=initrd.img should still be correct
11:14
i believe
11:15
as long as your filename is: /ltsp/....
11:15
in dhcpd.conf
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<Gadi>
Pascal_1: you should put:
11:16
LABEL Test_LTSP         MENU LABEL LTSP         kernel vmlinuz         append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdroot=server:2000
11:17
and that entry should be in: /tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default
11:18
otherwise, if you want to use /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default, then it should be: ltsp/vmlinuz
11:18
and ltsp/initrd.gz
11:18
er, initrd.img
11:19
<Pascal_1>
wait
11:19
it works !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:19
i didnt touch to my arborescence
11:19
look my default
11:19
<Nubae>
thats logical then
11:20
<Pascal_1>
LABEL Test_LTSP
11:20
MENU LABEL LTSP
11:20
kernel vmlinuz
11:20
append ro initrd=ltsp/initrd.img nbdroot=192.168.39.199:2000
11:20
Nubae, Gadi you are wonderfull !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Pascal_1>
how to thank you !!!
11:20
<vagrantc>
Pascal_1: so you have vmlinuz and initrd.img in a different directory?
11:21
<Pascal_1>
yes
11:21
may be it's pathological
11:21
look
11:21* vagrantc certainly wouldn't recommend it
11:21* vagrantc doesn't see much logic to those paths
11:21
<Pascal_1>
http://pastebin.com/m54542493
11:22
<Nubae>
u could always move your inetd server to another server too to make it consistent ;-)
11:22
<Pascal_1>
because i wanted to separate different things
11:22
ghost images ltsp ....
11:22
<Gadi>
vagrantc: did you commit your changes to ldm-trunk yet?
11:22
<vagrantc>
Gadi: which changes?
11:22
<Pascal_1>
Nubae, you laughing ??!!
11:22
<Gadi>
vagrantc: since 799?
11:23
I think thats the last rev I have
11:23
<Nubae>
yes Pascal, was a joke
11:23
<Gadi>
the autologin button, et al
11:23
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i'm up to 801
11:23
<Pascal_1>
you find my organisation is bad ?
11:23
<vagrantc>
Gadi: you know about "bzr missing" ?
11:23
<Gadi>
ah, no
11:23
good tip
11:23
<vagrantc>
Gadi: very handy :)
11:23
<Gadi>
I made some patches against 799
11:24
I gotta remember how to merge and stuff again
11:24
first, I'll test
11:24
<Pascal_1>
anyway thanks a lot to you Gadi Nubae vagrantc you save me it's a pleasure now to use ltsp
11:24
<vagrantc>
Pascal_1: i would recommend keeping the vmlinuz for ltsp in the same directory as the initrd.img for ltsp
11:24
<Gadi>
Pascal_1: np - you should consider a little cleanup of your tftpboot dir to keep everything straight
11:24
<Pascal_1>
ok
11:25
then i should do taht after : kernel ltsp/vmlinuz
11:25
append ro initrd=ltsp/initrd.img nbdroot=192.168.39.199:2000
11:25
?
11:25
<vagrantc>
Gadi: the "guest login button" patches haven't been merged yet. what sort of patches you have pending?
11:25
Pascal_1: yeah
11:26
<Pascal_1>
you are wonderful thanks again and sorry for my insistance !!
11:27
now i've got to "plug" authentication on ldap ........................
11:27
see you latter good evening
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: I patches the get_ip in the greeter to return first UP interface (not eth0 specifically)
11:33
I also fixed the directx bug ogra mentioned to me
11:33
hmm... right now just testing those two
11:34
<vagrantc>
Gadi: post your patches and i can test them out too
11:34
<Gadi>
oh, and added a "-w 5" to the nc call in the ldm screen script
11:34
I need to also check if I can safely exclude the nc call altogether when LDM_SESSION is set
11:35
<vagrantc>
LDM_SESSION?
11:35
<Gadi>
but, it creates a file, so I dont know how ldm reacts to no file/empty file
11:35
yeah
11:35
<vagrantc>
ooooh. i didn't know about that one
11:35
<Gadi>
the basic idea would be, if I force LDM_SESSION, dont go querying ldminfod
11:36
<vagrantc>
ldminfod is also used to get language settings
11:36* Gadi is thinking of remote servers which may have ldminfod's port blocked
11:36
<Gadi>
right
11:36
would have to do a -a LDM_LANGUAGE perhaps
11:36
or whatever it is
11:37
<vagrantc>
oh, there's also LDM_LANGUAGE .... wonder if i should consider either of those for the autologin support
11:37
<Nubae>
I have a custom xorg.conf file for my thin 'fat' client, I've put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, that won't get overwritten will it?
11:37
<vagrantc>
and/or "guest login button"
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: what form are the sessions returned in?
11:39
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: i just thought of another feature you could work on that's a little beyond me ... being able to select the theme from lts.conf ...
11:39
<Gadi>
are they /path/to/executable
11:39
or session name?
11:39
<vagrantc>
Gadi: well, either /path/to/executable or simply executable
11:40
not always full paths anymore
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11:40* Gadi also noticed that a bunch of paths changed in the ldm-trunk migration
11:40
<Gadi>
do you have a mapping somewhere?
11:40
:)
11:41
like /usr/share/ldm -> /usr/libexec/ldm
11:41
<vagrantc>
Gadi: well, /usr/libexec is basically a variable now
11:42
Gadi: on debian systems, it should probably be /usr/lib ... that's what i've been doing for debian
11:42
<Nubae>
Gadi: I've just installed auth-client-config libpam-ldap libnss-ldap in the thin client environment, and thats what is making it hang, so I guess my ldap settings are screwed up... I'm following these setup steps, but something must be wrong there: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=597056
11:44
<vagrantc>
Gadi: that's a compromise for the fedora folks ... i would prefer all that stuff stay in /usr/share ...
11:46
<Gadi>
vagrantc: but if I specify it as /usr/share, it still is not the same as before, right?
11:46
<vagrantc>
Gadi: "it" being ?
11:46
<Gadi>
bec some stuff will still not be in the right place?
11:46
say I want to make it like gutsy
11:46
so, I can just drop it in
11:47
would it be sufficient to do: --libexec-prefix=/usr/share
11:47
or some such?
11:48
<vagrantc>
Gadi: then the gtkgreeter ends up in /usr/share, which it really shouldn't
11:48
<Gadi>
shouldnt because ldm wont find it?
11:48
<vagrantc>
Gadi: not sure
11:48
<Gadi>
ah
11:48
yeah
11:48
this is a bit of a p-i-t-a to test
11:48
<vagrantc>
Gadi: but it's definitely the wrong place for an architecture-specific file
11:48
<Nubae>
ok, I took out xorg.conf from /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and it works again
11:49
<vagrantc>
Gadi: like i said, it was something the fedora folks did
11:49
(although it's actually good, in that it used to go in /usr/bin)
11:49* Gadi considers keeping libexec to test and symlinking
11:49
<Nubae>
why does my bootup freeze if I put xorg.conf where its supposed to be?
11:50
<Gadi>
Nubae: where does it freeze?
11:50
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i would recommend /usr/lib and symlinking ... but you'll have to tweak the packaging
11:51
<Gadi>
*sigh*
11:51
<vagrantc>
Gadi: you'll have to tweak the packaging either way
11:51* Gadi still doesnt know where to checkout a debian dir to roll ubuntu debs
11:51* vagrantc has no control over ubuntu developers
11:51
<Gadi>
now, ideally: ltsp-client and ldm together replace the old ltsp-client, ya?
11:52
<vagrantc>
Gadi: ldm has been separated from ltsp-client for years... ?
11:52
<Nubae>
at the last step, when X is supposed to start up
11:52
<Gadi>
ah, thats right
11:52
they were just in the same source deb
11:52* Gadi slaps head
11:52
<Gadi>
well, that might make life easier
11:52
<Nubae>
if I put xorg.conf in the right place, it doesnt work, but if I do dpkg-reconfigure from the command line and tehn startx, no problem
11:53
<Gadi>
I can uninstall ldm and install the new one
11:53
Nubae: sounds like a bad xorg.conf file
11:54
check the logs
11:54
<Nubae>
I'm copying the xorg.conf file that I know worked doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg on the same machine
11:54
<Gadi>
check the logs
11:54
maybe ur calling a module that you didnt install
11:54
<Nubae>
I cant, because the system freezes
11:54
I cant login, cant get to the command line in any way
11:55
<Gadi>
compare the one you get when you dpkg-reconfigure to the one you are trying to copy
11:55
<vagrantc>
Gadi: the main change i noticed was moving /usr/share/ldm/rc.d to $libexec/ldm/rc.d
11:55
<Nubae>
its the same file
11:55
<vagrantc>
Gadi: but i have a branch which adds backwards compatibility for that
11:55
<Gadi>
but, I thought if you dpkg-reconfigure and then startx it works?
11:55
<Nubae>
exactly
11:56
when I put that exact same file in the chroot under /etc/X11/xorg.conf
11:56
remake the image and restart the client, the system freezes
11:56
<vagrantc>
Nubae: have you disabled x configuration?
11:56
Nubae: because that file gets overwritten at boot by default
11:56
<Nubae>
in ltsp-client-core?
11:56
<Gadi>
so, you dpkg-reconfigure, scp the xorg.conf to the server, put it in the chroot, ltsp-update-image, and it fails?
11:56
<vagrantc>
in lts.conf
11:56
<Nubae>
where is that?
11:57
yes Gadi
11:57
not only fails, freezes
11:57
<Gadi>
ah, then what vagrantc says is correct
11:57
<Nubae>
yeah I can put it in lts.conf
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<Gadi>
add: X_CONFIG = /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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to lts.conf
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<Nubae>
that would work
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<vagrantc>
X_CONF
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<Gadi>
sorry
11:57
X_CONF
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<vagrantc>
or, X_CONF = /some/other/path
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and copy it there
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<Nubae>
but cant I take out xorg autoconfig from the init?
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<vagrantc>
Nubae: yes, you can.
11:58
i think it's even documented
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<Nubae>
editting ltsp-client-core?
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<vagrantc>
oh, it's not documented really
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<Nubae>
:-)
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<vagrantc>
Nubae: add CONFIGURE_X=False to lts.conf
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<Nubae>
ahhh
11:59
now that's a new one =)
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<vagrantc>
too many lts.conf variables ... so little time
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<Nubae>
yeah well, better coding than documenting I say ;-)
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<Q-FUNK>
so many vars. so little time.
12:00* vagrantc stands corrected
12:01* vagrantc is always amazed at the crazy things people are trying to do with ltsp
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<Nubae>
crazy? like what?
12:03
another little question, I'm assuming fstab is also auto-written by the ltsp startup, where can I set my nfs settings?
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<Nubae>
I need to mount my /home somewhere in the thin client, but if I cant do it in fstab, then where?
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<vagrantc>
Nubae: write a script that mounts it, and point RCFILE_NN to it
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<Nubae>
ok, put it in init.d?
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<vagrantc>
RCFILE_NN=/path/to/some/file
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Nubae: put it whereever you want.
12:11
Nubae: just like X_CONF=/path/to/some/xorg.conf
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<Nubae>
ah RCFILE_NN is another lts.conf variable?
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<vagrantc>
yes
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RCFILE_00, RCFILE_01, RCFILE_02 ...
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<Nubae>
ok, think that should do it then, finally a working thin 'fat' client...
12:13
thanks for that
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<Tilllinux>
We set up a Ubuntu LTSP in school (on a Ubuntu64 gutsy, with ltsp- --arch=i386 for the clients) however, we did set it up without a graphical frontend/XServer. We tried to boot the pxelinux.0 file with one laptop, which works pretty well, and eventually were able to use the login screen. After login we got an error-message (something with X blabla) so we installed ubuntu-desktop on the server. Now this test-laptop seems to hang somewhere while boo
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<Nubae>
does this script look ok: http://pastebin.com/d7d14f9cb
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<PMantis>
mistik1: Hey there!
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<cliebow_>
PMantis:Hey there!
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<PMantis>
hi cliebow_
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<PMantis>
ahhh, mistik1 sux - he's not right there ready to reply when I want him. :)
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<cliebow_>
PMantis:you have a windows command to set up a system service??something olike sc?
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<PMantis>
Hmmm, in the NT days, there was a resource CD that had a "wrapper" program to run a program as a service.
14:12
Running something as a service is not as easy under windoze
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<warren>
PMantis, I remember using that wrapper to get cygwin's sshd to work...
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<PMantis>
warren: I haven't used it is quite some time.
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<cliebow_>
sc create lexia binPath= d:\"Program Files"\LexiaServer/LexiaServer.exe start= auto type=own
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syntax seems fine..bloody thing won't go...GD M$
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<cliebow_>
doesn't get much more ot than this
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<PMantis>
cliebow_: Might be the quotes in the wrong place. Have you checked the event viewer?
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<cliebow_>
give it a whirl
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not a blessed thing..of course.
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<cliebow_>
WOOT
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<Pascal_1>
hello all !!
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<cliebow_>
moving the quotes did the tricksy
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PMantis:i owe you for a tall one..and not a blond either 8~)
14:50
cya...
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<^Migs^>
I'm trying to build an LTSP server to support up to about 40 or 50 clients, and have some specs, but not sure if it's sufficient. Single quad-core processor 2x4MB cache 2.4GHz, 8GB RAM...
15:46
do I need to go with two processors or anything?
15:46
and also, would it be a bad idea to run two LTSP servers in VMware?
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<vagrantc>
^Migs^: see:
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!serversizing
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "serversizing" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
!serversize
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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<^Migs^>
cool, thanks
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<cesar__>
hi people
16:26
I have problem with sound in client terminal
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in the client It has a CM8738 sound card
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in the file configuration for this client I have the next configuration
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SMODULE_01 = cmpci
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SOUND = Y
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SOUND_DAEMON = nasd
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<cesar__>
not work with configuration
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<vagrantc>
cesar__: what linux distro ?
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<cesar__>
server distro?
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<vagrantc>
yes
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<cesar__>
Debian
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<PMantis>
^Migs^: My opinion is one LTSP server in VMWare is fine. However, if you are out of horsepower with one LTSP machine, it probably doesn't help to create two VMs and run it on one server.
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<cesar__>
2.6.18-5-amd64
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<vagrantc>
cesar__: have you configured it to use nasd ?
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<PMantis>
Hmmm, just missed him.
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<vagrantc>
cesar__: what version of ltsp ?
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<cesar__>
4.2
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<vagrantc>
cesar__: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
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<cesar__>
ltsp-utils 0.25-1
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<vagrantc>
!sound
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<vagrantc>
i work on ltsp5 for debian ...
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!debian
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<cesar__>
i try with esd sound daemon
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and not working
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when the linux is starting in the terminal client
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it say
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Fatal cmpci not found sound driver
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and then say "the module not load"
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<cesar__>
the message error is "Fatal: Module mcpci not found"
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"Sound driver not loaded, please especific the correct driver in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf"
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I search for similar errors in google and not found any similar question/answer
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc: what do you mean the theme?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: the look of the login screen. it supports multiple themes, but it would be good (and hopefully fairly simple) to configure it on the fly.
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<Ryan52>
how do you choose the theme now?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: looking at the gtkgreet/greeter.c code, i think it only would take making it possible GTKRC_DIR and PIXMAP_DIR settable by an environment variable...
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Ryan52: currently, you change it with a symlink. but that doesn't allow you to have a different theme for each thin-client ... you can do some crazy stuff to get that working ... but that's another story.
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<Ryan52>
okay
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: will you be around tomorrow and/or sunday?
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<Ryan52>
tomarrow yes, and sunday I can be.
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why?
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<vagrantc>
actually, i did just think of a simpler workaround than i was previously doing ... but it still would be nice to have it settable in lts.conf/environment variables
18:21
Ryan52: just wondering if you wanted to come to the ltsp hackfest :)
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<Ryan52>
I will. What time?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: 10:30-whenever saturday ... not sure on the sunday hours
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<Ryan52>
okay. Can you let me in at 10:30 tomarrow?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: yeah, i'll be letting in dberkholz around then
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<Ryan52>
should I call when I get there or what...
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: i'll keep an eye out, and just knock on the meeting room windows if i don't see you
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<Ryan52>
okay
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