IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 8 February 2013   (all times are UTC)

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11:43
<ltspuser_82>
Hi
11:44
I have a question...
11:45
I want to have a terminal with the filesystem
11:46
the chroot is installed or in the terminal hard disk or in an usb device
11:47
and the terminal only gets the lts.conf from the server...
11:47
it's possible?
11:49
<muppis>
Possbile, but little tricky. I've done it once (or got it working once), but I didn't write it anywhere what I did. Basic idea is get rid of nbd-client.
11:50
If you got in mind to load locally and connect over wlan to server?
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11:56
<muppis>
Or you, IIRC, set the grub load image directly from device.
11:58
<ltspuser_82>
I want to have a filesystem on a pen
11:59
<meamy>
ltspuser_82: may you can play around with the kernel parameter "root=" something like root=/dev/sdb
11:59
<ltspuser_82>
and or putting a script or with the lts.conf open a ldm or a rdesktop session over wlan
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12:01
<meamy>
ltspuser_82: and you have to change some scripts in the initrd.img
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14:06
<tarzeau>
hello
14:07
what's the lts.conf equivalent for:
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14:56
<||cw>
tarzeau: for.....
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<sbalneav>
Gooood morning LTSP-land
15:10
<alkisg>
Hi Scotty
15:10
<sbalneav>
alkisg: Hey, I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1017871
15:10
<alkisg>
Ah, any clues why it does that?
15:11
<sbalneav>
The shifty login. I can't seem to make it happen. I'm wondering if it's some kind of i18n/Funky Fonts thing.
15:11
<alkisg>
It doesn't do it the second time that LDM loads, which is very weird, considering that even X is restarted...
15:11
sbalneav: ubuntu 12.04?
15:11
<sbalneav>
yeah.
15:11
But I'm not running any fats.
15:12
I'm going to have a look at the graphics initialization code, see if there's something we should be doing font-wise that we shouldn't be,
15:12
<alkisg>
I've seen it even with a wheezy thin chroot
15:12
<sbalneav>
should be.
15:12
<alkisg>
It's always reproducible for me, and I think I've even tried to set LANG=C / LDM_LANGUAGE=C
15:12
<sbalneav>
anywho, just thought I'd let you know that now that I have my parent's medical disasters in hand, I'm back on the case.
15:13
<alkisg>
I can test things if you like, if you have possible fixes
15:13
Or I can give you access to a VM, whatever you prefer
15:13
I think I've also seen it with LDM_WINDOWMANAGER=/bin/true, i.e. without wwm
15:14* alkisg hopes sbalneav and his family are fine, LTSP will find its way one way or another...
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15:37
<jammcq>
good morning friends
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15:43
<alkisg>
Hey Jim
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15:51
<jammcq>
alkisg: howdy
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15:58
<bantaar>
does anybody have problem booting to busybox intramfs prompt
16:13
<alkisg>
...no?
16:16
<bantaar>
Can not figure out why. It is a fresh ltsp server install
16:18
It also comes up with error that says "Exported device is too big for me. Get 64-bit machine"
16:18
<meamy>
bantaar: did restart the ndb or nfs server ?
16:19
<bantaar>
yes
16:19
<alkisg>
!release
16:19
<ltsp>
release: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
16:19
<Hyperbyte>
yes i am using distro alkisg
16:19
<alkisg>
Hahaha
16:19
:D :D
16:20
<bantaar>
ubuntu 12.04 installed from alternate cd
16:21
I restarted nbd server before. But actually I don't have a nfs service
16:21
<alkisg>
Put the output of these commands to pastebin.com: grep -rv '^#' /etc/nbd-server ; ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images
16:24
<bantaar>
http://pastebin.com/epzJqWvf
16:24
<alkisg>
and the output of cat /proc/cmdline on the client
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<bantaar>
it is: ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nbd0 init=/opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7 nbdroot=:ltsp_i386 BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz
16:28
<alkisg>
That should be "init=/sbin/init-ltsp"
16:28
Are you sure it has /opt/ltsp/i386 there?
16:29* markit shocked by new LibreOffice home page with a Mac on it
16:29
<bantaar>
Well, i used to have it as /sbin/init-ltsp and got the same problem... so then i saw that init-ltsp was actually under /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/
16:30
But i can change it back, I changed it under pxelinux.cfg/default
16:30
in the init= argument
16:30
<alkisg>
Yeah, but before you do that:
16:30
!nbd-client
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<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
16:30
<alkisg>
Er it's a bit different,
16:31
nbd-client <server-ip> -N ltsp_i386 /dev/nbd0
16:31
Try that command, what's the output?
16:32
<bantaar>
Ok, get that error again. "Negotiation: ..size = 520877890MBError: Exported device is too big for me. Get 64-bit machine :-(
16:32
that size is different eeach time though, seems erroneous
16:32
<alkisg>
On the server, what's the output of `sudo netstat -nap|grep nbd` ?
16:32
<bantaar>
well obviously it is
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<bantaar>
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10809 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1414/nbd-server
16:33
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 51013 1414/nbd-server
16:34
<alkisg>
Try restarting the server... sudo service nbd-server stop; sudo killall nbd-server; sudo service nbd-server start
16:34
And then the nbd-client command once more
16:34
Finally, what NIC does the client have?
16:35
<bantaar>
it has an intel centrino... but the client worked before on a different ltsp server. I created too many problems on that one (it was virtual) so i deleted and made a new virtual one and now I am having this problem with the new one
16:36
I restarted it
16:38
I also already joined the server to a linux domain, could that be related at all?
16:38* alkisg doesn't know what NICs do intel centrinos come with, are they intel as well?
16:39
<alkisg>
I also don't know what a "linux domain" is, but the nbd-client command should work in any case
16:40
<bantaar>
Oops, didn't see you say to run nbd-client again
16:40
Ok, just did and seems like it worked
16:40
Negotiation size 255MB now
16:40
I will reboot the client
16:41
<alkisg>
I've seen nbd-server segfaulting some times, and then it won't work correctly after that, it needs to be stopped AND killed to work
16:41
<bantaar>
Linux domain: Means I setup samba4 on ubuntu server to act as an Active directory server so I can authenticate users on the thin client
16:42
<alkisg>
OK, nice, although thin clients should still use ssh even if you use samba on the ltsp server itself
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<bantaar>
Ok, I think it does still go through ssh... I just got a kernel panic but not the other error. Maybe I should try switching back to the default init line now
16:43
<alkisg>
Yup
16:44
<bantaar>
:) Works
16:45
Great, thanks for your help alkisg
16:52
<alkisg>
np
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<mfrade>
hi
19:10
can anyone tell me if LTSP is required for stand alone clients?
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<mfrade>
hi
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<vagrantc>
mfrade: it's not clear what you meant by stand alone clients
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<mfrade>
I want to test epoptes with 2 PCs
20:06
<alkisg>
mfrade: epoptes runs fine with standalone clients, yeah
20:06
You don't need ltsp
20:07
Just follow epoptes.org/installation
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<mfrade>
I did
20:07
<alkisg>
And?
20:07
<mfrade>
but I can't get the client to install the certificate
20:07
<alkisg>
Did you put "server" in the client's /etc/hosts?
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<mfrade>
I did: epoptes-client -c 192.168.1.10 (server IP address)
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<alkisg>
OK, but in general it's easier to specify the server in /etc/hosts, otherwise you also have to modify /etc/default/epoptes-client
20:09
Did you modify /etc/default/epoptes-client?
20:09
<mfrade>
no
20:09
<alkisg>
Then your client won't know where to connect
20:09
Even if it gets the certificate
20:10
Better do `sudo gedit /etc/hosts` on the client, and put the server ip with hostname==server there
20:10
<mfrade>
ok, let me try
20:10
<alkisg>
e.g: echo "192.168.1.10 server" | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts
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<alkisg>
Then you just need to run `sudo epoptes-cient -c`, without the server IP
20:12
<mfrade>
now it worked, the client has the certificate
20:13
<alkisg>
Nice, just reboot the client and see if all works
20:14
<mfrade>
it's working now, I can see the remote
20:14
<alkisg>
Cool
20:14
<mfrade>
thanks
20:14
<alkisg>
np
20:15
<mfrade>
could you advise me the best way to deploy epoptes in a class room?
20:16
<alkisg>
In my experience, managing a classroom without LTSP is best done with clusterssh
20:17
Then you can control all the clients with simple commands from the server
20:17
So you can run `sudo apt-get install epoptes-client; echo "192.168.1.10 server" | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts; sudo epoptes-client -c` and that's all
20:17
<mfrade>
ok, I will try that
20:18
<alkisg>
If you don't want to use clusterssh, just run the above commands on each client
20:19
<mfrade>
that seems to be easy
20:19
thanks again for your help
20:19
<alkisg>
You're welcome
20:20
<mfrade>
bye
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<mnevans>
Hello LTSP World. Quick one. Just updated a debian/wheezy LTSP server. An update of LTSP was done, to 5.4.2-5. No kernel upgrade to the server happened AFAICT. Need I do anything more than reboot the clients?
21:40
(p.s. I see vagrantc was responsible for much of the changelog; thanks vagrantc!)
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<ball>
What sort of PCI NICs do people like for LTSP use?
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21:42
<Hyperbyte>
ball, that depends on who you ask. I swear by Intel NICs myself.
21:43
<ball>
PRO/1000 ?
21:43
<Hyperbyte>
Something along those lines
21:44
<jammcq>
ball, are you talking about for the server or the clients?
21:44
<mnevans>
ball, I would agree with Hyperbyte, based on my experience, for the server end of things. For the clients, I have success with what's in Zotac ZBoxes, AD02-U; and the Diskless Workstations model 1520 with PXEboot.
21:46
<vagrantc>
mnevans: shouldn't need anything more, no
21:46
mnevans: er, did you upgrade the chroot?
21:46
<mnevans>
vagrantc, nope!
21:46
<vagrantc>
mnevans: ah, you'll need to upgrade that, too.
21:47
mnevans: ltsp-chroot apt-get update && ltsp-chroot apt-get dist-upgrade
21:47
<ball>
jammcq: Clients, mostly.
21:47
<mnevans>
ltsp-chroot ; apt-get dist-upgrade?
21:47
<ball>
Thanks.
21:47
<jammcq>
ball: for the clients, the rtl8139's are good enough. Those are 100mbit
21:47
<vagrantc>
mnevans: you'd need to do that after important security updates that could affect the chroot, too.
21:47
<ball>
I'll have a look.
21:47
I have to go
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<jammcq>
but I wouldn't use that for the server cuz there's no intelligence on those cards
21:48
ok
21:48
<vagrantc>
mnevans: and probably ltsp-update-kernels, for good measure.
21:51
<mnevans>
vagrantc, thanks. So as root: ltsp-update-kernels; then as ltsp-chroot: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
21:51
<vagrantc>
mnevans: ltsp-update-kernels last
21:51
mnevans: and i prefer to use ltsp-chroot for each command individually, so it's in my command history
21:52
mnevans: i.e. sudo ltsp-chroot apt-get update && sudo ltsp-chroot apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo ltsp-update-kernels
21:52
<mnevans>
vagrantc, thanks - ok. I see - good idea. Lots of updates since Dec!
21:52
<vagrantc>
Debian's getting might close to a release, but yeah.
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<mnevans>
Exciting. I really like Debian/wheezy relative to Ubuntu 12.04. Very stable. I can't get gnome 3 in ltsp though. Problem is with gdm I think I saw somewhere?
21:54
<vagrantc>
problem with gnome 3
21:55
just doesn't work well with the LTSP model.
21:55
LXDE supports LTSP pretty nicely.
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<vagrantc>
shutdown and reboot even work properly out of the box :)
21:56
<mnevans>
I'm pretty happy with the gnome classic fallback under debian. Works fine.
21:56
<vagrantc>
good.
21:56
<mnevans>
Wow, shutdown and reboot, nice!
21:56
<Muromez>
Hello all! what about Java security in LTSP? Sorry, I'm a newbee in Linux
21:57
<mnevans>
Thanks again for your help. I've made notes in my logbook... Why are we configuring nbd-client? I thought debian-ltsp was default nfs?
21:58
<vagrantc>
mnevans: it defaults to NFS for the root filesystem, but uses NBD for swap.
21:58
mnevans: although it can support NFS or NBD for the root filesystem just fine.
21:59
<jammcq>
java security? what's that?
21:59
<vagrantc>
Muromez: what specifically are you looking for?
21:59
<mnevans>
Ah, OK, got it.
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<jammcq>
I think it's accurate to say that Java will be just as [in]secure in LTSP as it is everywhere else
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<vagrantc>
mnevans: older versions of ltsp-update-image would silently (but only partially) convert you to NBD ... but that should be fixed now.
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<ball>
Sorry about that.
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<Muromez>
vagrantc, jammcq: thnks. In the moment, I gather Information about any possibility to get my newort relatively secure.
22:05
the best java filter seems to be a 50 Ohm terminal plug
22:11* ball grins
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<ball>
BNC?
22:13
<Muromez>
it's an old joke
22:14
<jammcq>
heh
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22:24* ball grins
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<ball>
I gave away all my 10base2 stuff when I moved to the U.S.
22:26
Oh that's nice: looks as though Linksys have a 24-port 100baseTX switch with a couple of 1000baseT uplink ports
22:26
...presumably I could use gigabit to the server and 100M for each of the terminals>
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<||cw>
ball: those have been around a long time
22:31
and that's exactly the use case they advertised
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<vagrantc>
yeah, it's not just linksys
22:31
<||cw>
as well as uplinks to core switches
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<Muromez>
ball where r u from?
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