IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 17 December 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<agusj>
hello
03:06
is ltsp same as pc station?
03:06
<Appiah>
define pc station?
03:07
<agusj>
such as pcnet,pcsmart, ncomputing, officestation, etc
03:08
<Appiah>
not familiar with those terms...
03:09
You put LTSP on a server, PXE boot clients (terminals) to connect to the server
03:10
<agusj>
it's current product. by pc station, client can use resources from server
03:10
<johnny>
we don't know the details
03:10
but i guess it's that..
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03:35irc.freenode.net changes topic to "LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora for awesome integration. Gentoo is getting very close and Opensuse has kiwi-ltsp. IRC logs at: http://www.nubae.com/logs/, LTSP Docs: https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream"
03:35
<agusj>
by the way, port such as usb still work?
03:35
<Appiah>
yes
03:36
what are you thinking of plugging in execpt keyboard,mouse and usb sticks?
03:37
<agusj>
what if we play video for each client, vga depends on client or server
03:38
<Appiah>
I'd sugggest you get some thin clients and put the video playing on the thin client
03:38
some thin clients with RAM
03:38
is what I meant type
03:39
Video , Firefox + Flash on the client can save the server from going slow
03:39
but that requires a "better" thin client
03:39
<agusj>
ok
03:40
I think using ltsp is cheaper than buy pc station
03:40
<Appiah>
having 30 people watching videos might make the server go slow , unless you got a big and fast server
03:41
<agusj>
btw, usb in client can plugged by web cam?
03:41
<Appiah>
I've seen people getting that to work
03:42
long time ago
03:42
but that application that uses the webcam has to run from the thin client
03:42
<agusj>
but I have no more references how to use and install ltsp
03:42
<Appiah>
select a linux dist
03:43
follow thier instructions
03:43
see the topic
03:43
<agusj>
so ltsp enable user to install apps to thin client?
03:43
<Appiah>
no
03:44
you install the applications in a "image" this image is what the thin clients gets when they boot up
03:46
<agusj>
maybe I must read more about ltsp. anytime I want to ask again if you don't mind.
03:46
<Appiah>
thats a good start , feel free to ask in this channel
03:46
<agusj>
thank you
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<noob1>
anyone there?
07:26
<alkisg>
!ask
07:26
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "ask" :: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
07:26
<noob1>
hi
07:26
<alkisg>
hi!
07:26
<noob1>
i have asked a few days ago, and I have still not been able to have my clients automatically start rdesktop
07:27
<alkisg>
distro/version?
07:27
<noob1>
ubuntu 9.10
07:27
ltsp 5
07:28
<alkisg>
Whar do you have in lts.conf so far?
07:28
*what
07:28
<noob1>
[default]
07:28
LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True
07:28
# LTSP_CONFIG=True
07:28
# SOUND=True
07:28
# LOCALDEV=True
07:28
LDM_DIRECTX=True
07:28
[00:E0:4C:43:22:96]
07:28
LDM_USERNAME=user01
07:28
LDM_PASSWORD=test123
07:28
SCREEN_02=shell
07:28
SCREEN_03=rdesktop
07:28
SCREEN_07=ldm
07:28
RDP_SERVER=192.168.122.113
07:28
# RDP_OPTIONS=" -d CS -r disk:USBDRV=/media/root -r sound:local -f -4"
07:28
RDP_OPTIONS="-f -4"
07:28
<alkisg>
!paste
07:28
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "paste" :: try !pastebot
07:28
<alkisg>
!pastebot
07:28
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
07:28
<noob1>
my clients run one of those old monitors...
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<cliebow>
Homies!
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<alkisg>
noob1: and you don't get rdesktop in screen 3?
07:30
<noob1>
no
07:30
i get a login screen that keeps on blinking
07:30
<alkisg>
do you get a shell in 2?
07:30
<noob1>
the pxe boot screen that sorts of hangs... blinks... the reshows for 1 second... then blinks...
07:30
i get a shell but cant login to anything
07:31
<alkisg>
Then you're having a general problem booting your clients? Not an rdesktop problem?
07:31
<noob1>
well
07:31
my cliens can boot up into ubuntu
07:31
and i can run rdesktop into ubunto
07:32
but i just cant the clients to automatically start rdesktop in a screen
07:34
oh when i boot my clients i get 4 lines of "missing parameter in configuration file"
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07:35
<alkisg>
Logon on this client normally, and open a gnome terminal
07:35
<noob1>
okay
07:35
i am wondering if it is the display program since therese are old monitors
07:36
<alkisg>
Then run: ltsp-localapps xterm
07:36
An xterm should open. In that xterm, run: getltscfg -a
07:36
<noob1>
hold on..
07:39
okay
07:40
and then?
07:40
<alkisg>
Then post the result in pastebot
07:40
!pastebot
07:40
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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<noob2>
where do i paste it again?
07:44
sorry my client in another room, so need to run around
07:45
<scottmaccal>
morning
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<scottmaccal>
cliebow: how's the chill up your way?
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07:46
<alkisg>
!pastebot
07:46
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
07:48
<noob2>
pasted
07:48
i have a plasma monitor on my clients
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<alkisg>
noob2: "Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here."
07:50
<noob2>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d2c6f633b
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07:52
<alkisg>
noob2: as you can see, the SCREEN* and the RDP* settings don't reach the client
07:52
<noob1>
did u wanted me to boot my clients with my lts.conf
07:52
oh...
07:52
i commented them out
07:53
let me do it
07:53
<alkisg>
OK. So now, from this local xterm, try to rdp to the server
07:53
I.e. run rdesktop server params manually
07:54
<noob1>
okay
07:54
wait
07:54
should i put back the screen = ... in the lts.conf be4 i attempt this?
07:54
<alkisg>
Νο
07:54
<noob1>
okay
07:54
let me run to the other room
07:55
<alkisg>
OK, you can get to irc from there as well
07:55
So that you don't switch rooms
07:55
<noob2>
so
07:55
<alkisg>
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ltsp
07:55
The easiest way to do it
07:56
So just try to run rdesktop from that local xterm manually
07:56
E.g. you may find out that you can't reach the server and you need ip forwarding
07:56
<noob2>
hold on..
07:56
hehe
07:56
my notes is in the other room
07:57
so i type "rdesktop ip.address?
07:57
<alkisg>
And the options you want
08:00
<noob2>
i typed "rdesktop ip.address"
08:00
it says unable to connect
08:00
"rdesktop 192.168.122.133"
08:01
but i can connect with tsclient....
08:01
i cannot ping the address either...
08:02
<alkisg>
Are you using a 2 NIC server setup?
08:02
If so, the LTSP clients are "behind" the server, the can't access anything directly.
08:02
You need to do IP forwarding on the server for them to reach the internet, or even your intranet.
08:03
<noob2>
hmm
08:03
i am not sure i understand
08:03
well
08:03
i have a server w/ 2 NIC then i have windows in kvm
08:03
<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
08:03
<noob2>
can i ask something that may sound stupid?
08:03
<alkisg>
You need this ^^^
08:03
Sure
08:04
In KVM where? In another server, I assume, right?
08:04
<noob2>
so even if i can boot up my client into ubuntu, and be able to access the interent and run tsclient, i still need to forward?
08:04
KVM in the same server as ubuntu
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<alkisg>
Yes, because you run rdesktop as a localapp, not from within the session
08:05
If it's on the same server as Ubuntu, you don't need forwarding
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<alkisg>
But you need to the KVM to use the LTSP-facing NIC
08:05
<noob2>
okay... i am still trying to digest it...
08:05
<alkisg>
I.e. to use the 192.168.0.1 IP (or something like that)
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08:05
<alkisg>
From the xterm, try: ping 192.168.0.1
08:06
(put your server IP there)
08:06
You'll see that it answers.
08:06
Then, try: ping <the-second-ip-address-of-the-server>
08:06
<noob2>
host unreachable
08:06
<alkisg>
You'll see no answer
08:06
What's your server IP addresses?
08:06
Open a *gnome terminal* and do: ifconfig -a
08:06
And upload this to pastebot
08:07
!pastebot
08:07
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
08:07
<alkisg>
(The gnome terminal runs on the server. The xterm runs on the client. There's a big difference there)
08:08
<noob2>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d3a7c9037
08:09
oh okay, i am getting a better picture now
08:10
<alkisg>
You might want to read the docs to better understand the LTSP architecture:
08:10
!docs
08:10
<noob2>
and when i run xterm to do rdesktop, the rdesktop session would also be run in the server tho rite?
08:10
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
08:10
<alkisg>
noob2: no, when you run "ltsp-localapps xterm" then xterm runs locally.
08:11
So everything you run from inside that, also runs locally on the client
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<noob2>
so would u advise that i run rdesktop from gnome? or locally?
08:12
anyways, should i still be configuring NAT?
08:12
<alkisg>
That's up to you
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<alkisg>
No, if it's on the same server, you don't need to.
08:12
You should configure your server IP addresses etc better
08:13
<shawnp0wers>
As a public service message for those working with LTSP cluster, here's how to stop the info box from popping up when your clients boot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QdYW-NT_sw
08:13
<noob2>
is that the reason it is not connecting?
08:13
<alkisg>
Yes
08:13
<shawnp0wers>
(Yes, a video, it's what I do, forgive me)
08:13
<alkisg>
noob2: when you'll be able to ping the KVM server from the local xterm, then you'll be OK
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<alkisg>
I don't know anything about KVM, but I'd try to set it up like this:
08:14
I'd put 2 virtual NICs on the virtual windows server.
08:14
Each of them would be on the same subnet as the NICs of the LTSP server
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E.g. 192.168.1.105 and 192.168.0.253
08:15
Or, (I don't know how KVM does it), I'd just bridge them on the same addresses as the LTSP server
08:15
Then the local xterm would be able to ping 192.168.0.254 (or -3)
08:15
...and you'd be able to rdesktop there.
08:16
<noob1>
need to learn how to do that now... wonderful...
08:16
lol
08:16
<alkisg>
Remember, `ltsp-localapps xterm` is your best way to test if it works
08:17
And of course if you don't want to run rdesktop as a localapp, and you want to run it in the gnome session instead, then you don't need to change anything (that already works, right?)
08:17
<noob1>
yeah
08:17
true..
08:18
my client only has 256 ram
08:19
<cliebow>
my server only has 256 meg ram
08:19
<alkisg>
That's not a problem either way
08:19
<cliebow>
8~)
08:19
<alkisg>
Heh
08:19
<cliebow>
we are downwardly mobile here
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<noob1>
it's a matter of learning to lockdown gnome or do the NIC then...
08:22
<noob2>
or... join the KVM channel?
08:22* alkisg uses virtualbox, but would like to try kvm some day...
08:22
<noob1>
oh.. u were helping me w/ fedora awhile back, at that my handle was noob_need_hlp
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<noob1>
at that time my clients wont boot up
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and it was because, i did not set my router as a switch...
08:26
but all the peeps then could not figure out becoz supposedly ltsp should be a install and work like magic thing
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<noob2>
i think i bridged it... but not working yet
08:29
<noob1>
do i need a "-4"
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<noob1>
when i connect rdesktop which IP should i be using...the ip as in the windows server ?
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<alkisg>
noob1: Can you ping the windows server from the local xterm?
08:43
Start there, not with the rdesktop params.
08:43
<noob1>
not yet
08:43
i am wondering, if i successfully bridged it
08:44
i would open up a cmd prompt in my guest OS and ipconfig, then ping the ip as listed there correct?
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<alkisg>
Yes
08:45
Did you put 2 IPs in the windows server?
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<alkisg>
(2 NICs?)
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<noob1>
no... there's this optiong in the kvm menu which i just clicked...
08:45
but i guess it does not work
08:45
i am not really sure what "bridging" means...
08:46
<Gadi>
noob1: bridging is when the virtual interface of the guest shares the physical interface of the host
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(as opposed to setting up an nternal virtual network for the virtual machines)
08:47
<noob1>
ah
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<Gadi>
you probably want 2 virtual NICs in the guest
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one bridged to eth1 and one bridged to eth0
08:49
then, your windows vm would have 2 NICs, one facing the thin clients and another facing the network
08:49
and you won't need to pull out a book on routing ;)
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<alkisg>
Gadi: you just repeated what I said 40 minutes ago, so I guess I've learned something by hanging out here! ;) :D
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<Gadi>
lol
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<Gadi>
sorry for showing up late
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<alkisg>
!s
09:02
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<stgraber>
ogra: I'm running an Ubuntu Lucid chroot on my N900 ;)
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<scottmaccal>
sbalneav: morning.
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<sbalneav>
scottmaccal: Morning
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: I just found a way to make a truly ugly hack with that xvkbd thing
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*sigh*
09:32* Gadi raises a glass to rubber bands and chewing gum
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<noob1>
i've been directed to this guide: http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking
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<Gadi>
stgraber: ping
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<jelly-bean1>
morning all
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<stgraber>
Gadi: pong
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<jelly-bean1>
how does ltsp server allocate its memory? does opening an app on the thin client cause increased memory consumption? does running an intense mathematical app on the thin client spike the server cpu?
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<Gadi>
stgraber: have you come across the rdesktop bug where if you have caps lock on when you logout of windows, the caps lock is out of sync
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<stgraber>
ah, no but I guess some users of mine did
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<Gadi>
ok - I have the hackiest of hack arounds
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<Gadi>
but I was hoping one of your guys fixed it right
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:)
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if I run an: xvkbd -text "\[Compose]"
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before starting rdesktop again
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all is well
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<stgraber>
Gadi: did you try the version I have in my PPA ?
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<Gadi>
no
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<stgraber>
Gadi: we disabled a few patches and added a few more to fix some keyboard issues
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<Gadi>
is that the one you run?
09:43
if so, log into windows press caps lock, and logout
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then connect again and see if its reversed
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<stgraber>
Gadi: also, jmdault is working on rdesktop right now and he'd like to receive any kind of patch that you may be running so we can get a rocking rdesktop in Ubuntu lucid
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<Gadi>
unfortunately, I haven't patched much - mostly workaround
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:P
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has jmdault kept his eye on freerdp?
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<stgraber>
yeah, we're looking at the changes they're doing
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<Gadi>
you can tell jmdault that I cheated on the delete thing with w2k8r2
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and did an "rm -r" on directory delete
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in the source
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<noob1>
so would you adivse i set up NAT? or bridging?
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<Gadi>
noob1: in your virtual machine environment?
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<noob1>
uhm.. for my vm
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<Gadi>
bridging
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<noob1>
ic
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<Gadi>
if you have NAT, nothing from the outside can connect in
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<noob1>
oh
09:47
well, i dont need to connect right?
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<Gadi>
NAT is a firewall
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<noob1>
i could just connect to my host, and configure my guest from that?
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<Gadi>
your thin client connects to your virtual machine
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if your VM is behind a NAT firewall
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the thin client cannot see it
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<noob1>
oh
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<stgraber>
Gadi: I logged in, set CAPS lock, logged out, on the linux console I have CAPS lock set, same on the windows login screen when restarting rdesktop
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Gadi: I guess it's not the behavior you have
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<Gadi>
type something
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in notepad, say
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what I get is that the caps lock light is ON but it types lowercase
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<Gadi>
and vis-versa
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in other words, when you restart rdesktop and type anything - even at login screen
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it is reversed
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<noob1>
i have another question
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since i am bridging 2 NICs that would mean in i would have to hardcode "bridge_ports eth0" & "bridge_ports eth1" in ubuntu
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?
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<noob1>
no my clients wont boot...
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sigh
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calling it a nite.
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<john__>
anyone install google chrome as a local app that can help my out?
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i mean can anyone tell me how to install google chrome as a local app on a ltsp5 envierment
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<Gadi>
john__: does it not work if you simply download the .deb, copy it into /opt/ltsp/i386, then chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and dpkg -i *.deb ?
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(and then exit the chroot and update the image, of course)
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<john__>
yea that would probly do it
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<Gadi>
I would delete the .deb from /opt/ltsp/i386 before updating the image
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to save space
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<john__>
i just wasn't sure about install the package , i was going to try and add it to the source lict
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<Gadi>
installing localapps is the same as installing apps on the server, only done in the chroot
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ah - is it in a repo?
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I dont think it is
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<john__>
yea i think it might be
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<Gadi>
as it is still in beta
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huh
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well, then, I suppose you can do that way, too
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<john__>
the dev
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thank gadi
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<Gadi>
enjoy
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<john__>
should i mount proc when i do this
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<Gadi>
prolly not necessary
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as no daemons get started or anything
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proc is only needed when what you are installing needs to talk to the kernel
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<john__>
even when i am rebuild the new image?
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<Gadi>
when you build the image /proc should be unmounted in the chroot
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<john__>
ok
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<Gadi>
(tho, I think the script will do it for you if you forget)
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don't want to make /proc part of your image
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:)
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<john__>
lol
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did that before
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the client say mad errors
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<Gadi>
thats what we call TMI
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:)
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with local apps becoming popular, we should probably make some scripts for installing stuff in the chroot in a one liner
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something like: ltsp-install -a i386 firefox
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or some such
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<john__>
gadi that would be cool
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<Frogging1012>
When I boot my computer with LTSP, when I log in it goes back to the login screen. I get errors in the syslog. Those errors are here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/343699/
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<john__>
can some one tell me the best flash player to install
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like the apt-gte line
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<Frogging101>
When I boot my computer with LTSP, when I log in it goes back to the login screen. I get errors in the syslog. Those errors are here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/343699/
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
john sudo aptitude search flash
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john__: sudo aptiutde search flash
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get the adobe version
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<johnny>
Ahmuck.. don't tell them directly.. point them to a howto next time..
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
i don't play those games
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<johnny>
does aptitude come by default in ubuntu?
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it's not a game
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it's about teaching them how to do stuff
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
as well as i
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people learn differently
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<johnny>
don't give a man a fish.. teach them how to fish..
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
i for one have a IRLENs problem, and i read slower and loose my place in many documents
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give him a fish today so he can learn how to fish tomorrow
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<johnny>
maybe..
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
though, i suppose sudo aptitude help would have worked
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yes, aptitude is defualt in ubuntu
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i forgot to ask though what distro
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<john__>
ahmuck-sr kubuntu 9.10\
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
k, *buntu 9.10
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i'll be glad to help as much as i can, however at some point i'll get tired and you'll have to look things up
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<john__>
brb reboot to new client image
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
john never returned it appears
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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