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Channel log from 15 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<warren>
anyone here for k12linux meeting?
09:35
<nadavkav>
hi :-)
09:41
<warren>
ok... if nobody else shows up then I'm going back to sleep.
09:44
<nadavkav>
hi warren
09:44
it U and me :-)
09:44
<warren>
do you have any questions?
09:45
<nadavkav>
i have several servers with k12ltsp 4.2 on fc6 that i would like to upgrade this summer
09:45
<warren>
what language do you use?
09:45
<nadavkav>
i have upgraded our development server to fc8
09:45
<warren>
(and keyboard layout)?
09:45
<nadavkav>
(hebrew)
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(hebrew)
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<warren>
ok, I think the main thing I have to fix for you is the keyboard layout bug
09:46
<nadavkav>
it more then that...
09:46
it's KDE 4
09:46
<warren>
more details
09:46
<nadavkav>
it does not have kiosk tool
09:47
we lockdown the desktop for the users
09:47
<warren>
OK, you might not be able to use it for now then.
09:47
I can't do anything about KDE personally.
09:47
<nadavkav>
i know :-)
09:47
<warren>
Have you talked with Fedora's KDE team?
09:47
<nadavkav>
so i consider keeping the fc8 for now
09:48
it works great
09:48
no
09:48
directly with upstream
09:48
it appears i am amongst the few that uses kiosktool
09:48
and the framework under it
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the framework is not production ready (i do not need the gui - kiosktool although it would be nice :-)
09:49
other then that the kde4 does not seem to be ready
09:50
how come their is no kde3 ? (never mined)
09:50
<warren>
I'm not in the KDE team, you would have to ask them.
09:50
<nadavkav>
do you use gnome ?
09:50
<warren>
Yes
09:50
GNOME does have lockdown capabilities but it is poorly documented.
09:50
<nadavkav>
and... is it possible to lock down the UI ?
09:51
<warren>
yes
09:51
gconf options
09:51
<nadavkav>
haaa
09:51
<warren>
the last time I did it personally was with Fedora 1
09:51
I hate gconf
09:51
I actually hate GNOME
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and I hate computers...
09:51
but anyway
09:52
<nadavkav>
i see we share common grounds ;-)
09:52
<warren>
nadavkav: ltsp on Fedora 8 is unofficial but it should work roughly equivalent to Fedora 9.
09:52
<nadavkav>
other then they hebrew keyboard layous (that i installed on my own)
09:52
<warren>
nadavkav: what did you do to set the keyboard layout?
09:52
<nadavkav>
is their any thing else i should be aware of ?
09:53
<warren>
nadavkav: btw, does the ldm login screen do right to left text?
09:53
<nadavkav>
it was missing/missmatched so i got a correct one from debian
09:53
<warren>
(I don't think we ever tested right to left in ldm.)
09:53
<nadavkav>
but on fc9 and 8 it is ok
09:54
<warren>
huh
09:54
<nadavkav>
we use kdm
09:54
it's great !!!
09:54
<warren>
oh, the keyboard layout problem might be only ldm...
09:54
<nadavkav>
i disabled all the other ldms and "choose session"
09:54
btw
09:54
<warren>
I don't use a non-US layout so I really don't know how that part works. I need to research it.
09:55
<nadavkav>
i use PulseAudio client plugin for alsa to connect to Esd on the terminals
09:55
<warren>
esd?
09:55
<nadavkav>
i try to send this post to the k12osn list but i was rejected (for some unknown reason)
09:55
<warren>
we don't even ship esd anymore
09:55
I don't control k12osn
09:56
<nadavkav>
i thought u did , sorry
09:56
<warren>
K12Linux uses pulseaudio on both the client and server
09:56
<nadavkav>
i use old fc6 + esd on the terminals
09:56
<warren>
pulseaudio sound works automatically for me
09:56
doesn't work for you?
09:57
<nadavkav>
ltsp 4 does not have PA server on the terminals (as far as i can see)
09:57
<warren>
oh
09:57
nadavkav: I haven't used LTSP 4 for years
09:57
nadavkav: maybe 4 or 5 years.
09:58
<nadavkav>
can i use a new terminal's envirument from ltsp5 or debian iamges ? with ltsp 4 ?
09:59
<warren>
you mean the /opt/ltsp/i386 chroot?
09:59
<nadavkav>
yes
09:59
<warren>
I have no idea.
09:59
<nadavkav>
forgot the name for it
09:59
<warren>
perhaps you should actually try it before asking questions?
09:59
<nadavkav>
can i use ltsp5 without the security checks (SSL)
09:59
<warren>
yes
10:00* warren finds the option...
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<nadavkav>
i will (next week)
10:00
thank you for you time :-)
10:00
<warren>
in lts.conf you need LDM_DIRECTX=yes
10:01
login and password is still encrypted by ssh
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but X isn't encrypted
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<nadavkav>
double thanks !
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<nadavkav>
after i install your latest ltsp5 this week... i will report to you :-)
10:02
especially on the hebrew layouts and rtl in general
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<jkinney>
hello
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<jkinney>
I'm looking for some guidance - on whether I actually need kiwi-ltsp or not.
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my goal is to pxe boot a client into a ram-only filesystem, and then run only rdesktop.
17:44
Should I be looking to use kiwi-ltsp, or just pxe boot a live cd image.
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?
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<learnlinux>
hallo
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<juanpaul>
Hello, i'm setting ltsp 5 on gentoo, but i can't connect on ldminfod (port 9571), someone can help me about this?
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<johnny>
juanpaul, is it in your /etc/xinetd.d ?
21:40
and set to be allowed?
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<juanpaul>
johnny, yes, disabled = no
21:41
<johnny>
and you restarted xinetd after that (i'm not truly sure if necessary.. but)
21:42
i hope you realize you are truly a beta tester in this regard.. you're the first person who isn't me to use it :)
21:42
really.. alpha tester..
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<juanpaul>
johnny, yes, it necessary reboot xinetd
21:42
johnny, i'm geting this from telnet to 9571: Connected to server.
21:42
Escape character is '^]'.
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Connection closed by foreign host.
21:42* johnny tries to remember the command
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<johnny>
i think that is normal
21:48
you probably have to send it a command right away on initialization
21:48
ldm does it via netcat
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if i run ldminfod manually, all the correct info is returned
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<juanpaul>
johnny, locally i can connect via loopback interface but not with ethernet interface IP
21:50
<johnny>
i get that message via loopback atm..
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<juanpaul>
maybe firewall?
21:51
<rjune>
ogra: you about?
21:51
<juanpaul>
#ldminfod returns ok
21:51
#telnet 127.0.0.1 9571 returns ok
21:51
<johnny>
got anything in /etc/xinetd.conf
21:51
for only_from
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<juanpaul>
#telnet 192.168.0.253 9571 open and close connection
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<johnny>
yep.. that is prolly it
21:52
mine was default to my local network that i'm not even now..
21:53
that's not something we can do anything about.. needs to go in the docs .. when i get around to writing them
21:54
going to do a from scratch install again, and document the issues and put it in guidexml format , like all gentoo docs
21:54
juanpaul, ? does that do it for ya?
21:54
<juanpaul>
johnny, here's the error: only_from = localhost
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<johnny>
yes
21:54
that's the default config
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and we cannot modify it from ltsp-server scripts
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so, change that to whatever you like.. either your network.. or just comment it out
21:55
up to you
21:56
i'll try to write some docs this week.. but if nothing else, i'll have some worthy docs by the 30th of next month :)
21:56
when i meet the other gentoo developer in person
21:56
vagrantc, you here?
21:57
my ubuntuish thin clients are multiplying visible floppy drives.. what can i do?
21:57
i tried deleting the stuff from /tmp.. but that won't let me, even as root
21:57
i see a bunch of question marks
21:57
you ever seen that on debian?
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<juanpaul>
johnny, i know that can't change system-wide configs
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its mine lack of attention
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<johnny>
i gotta go for a bit
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bbl
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iif not, come back tomorrow
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