IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 3 March 2017   (all times are UTC)

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05:00
<url_work>
hey alkisg, you busy
05:01
well, i know you're always busy, but, if you've 5 mins for a pm that'd begreat, elsewise, i can toss some stuff into an email
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05:55
<alkisg>
Good morning
05:55
url_work: shoot
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06:46
<Gaurav____>
how to get client IP address connected to the LTSP server
06:47
or Process id of client instance
06:47
<alkisg>
!client-list
06:47
<ltsp>
client-list: to get a list of all nbd-clients (which sometimes is the same as ltsp clients), run: netstat -tn | sed -n 's/.*:10809 *\([0-9.]*\):.*/\1/p' | sort -Vu
06:47
<alkisg>
Gaurav____: is that ^ what're you're asking for?
06:53
<Gaurav____>
Actually we were trying to kill the process w.r.t client ip which is shutdown forcefully
06:54
nbd-server session remains as it is when client machine directly switch off
06:55
next tym when server is loaded again then socket failure occurs
06:59
<alkisg>
Which distribution and which LTSP version are you using?
07:00
<Gaurav____>
Ubuntu 14.04
07:00
how to get LTSP version
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07:12
<alkisg>
Gaurav____: run this:
07:12
sudo ltsp-info | nc termbin.com 9999
07:12
And tell us the result
07:13
<Gaurav____>
Is there is any command to get client Ip address and NBD-Server Process id mapping
07:13
okay i will check
07:14
sudo ltsp-info | nc termbin.com 9999 No LSB modules are available. http://termbin.com/m29r
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07:15
<alkisg>
Gaurav____: so the problem is that if you hard-reset a client, then it won't boot until you kill that nbd-server process?
07:15
<Gaurav____>
yes exactly
07:16
the process remains as it is
07:16
<alkisg>
What's the output of this? sudo ltsp-chroot dpkg -l nbd-client
07:17
<Gaurav____>
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Architecture Description +++-==============-============-============-================================= ii nbd-client 1:3.7-1 i386 Network Block Device protocol - c
07:17
<alkisg>
Moment, phone...
07:18
<Gaurav____>
??
07:20
we will communicate via phone after 1:30
07:21
<alkisg>
No, I'm on the phone, busy
07:22
I will be back in 10 minutes or so
07:22
<Gaurav____>
okay sure no problem
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07:32
<alkisg>
vlt: do you remember an issue with the nbd-client using the same port and then the nbd-server refusing its connection, which was solved a couple of years ago?
07:32
I wonder if that's what Gaurav____ is having now
07:39
Gaurav____: do you have any plans to upgrade to 16.04? that should also solve the nbd-client issue...
07:47
<vlt>
Good morning!
07:47
alkisg: No, we never had such an issue. But we skipped 14.04.
07:48
<alkisg>
vlt: thanks, it was someone else that reported it then... maybe vmlintu...
07:48
<vlt>
(For us it was 6.06 and 8.04 on KDE, 10.04 on Gnome, 12.04 and 16.04 on MATE.
07:48
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09:54
<ZAJDAN>
when I build cliant via: ltsp-build-client --arch i386 ....where all ltsp creates directory?
09:56
<alkisg>
In /opt/ltsp/i386
09:57
<ZAJDAN>
becase I see: 1) /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ 2) /srv/tftp/ltsp/i386/ 3) /opt/lstp/i386/
09:57
<alkisg>
(1) is a copy of the kernels to go to the clients via tftp
09:58
(2) is not needed, delete /srv/tftp to get rid of it
09:58
(3) is the chroot with all the applications etc
09:59
<ZAJDAN>
thnx for explain
09:59
<alkisg>
np
09:59
With ltsp-pnp, you don't need chroots
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10:00
<ZAJDAN>
I know, but for debian is really not good documentation
10:00
<alkisg>
Do you need help with that?
10:01
<ZAJDAN>
we can try...moment...I will prepare something
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10:34
<alkisg>
!vnc-dide | echo ZAJDAN:
10:34
<ltsp>
ZAJDAN: vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
10:36
<alkisg>
ZAJDAN: I will have to leave in a while though, so if you'd like help, now it would be a good time...
10:38
<Gaurav____>
hey alkisg sorry for the delay.. but we are trying not to use latest versions of ubuntu so, we sticked to the 14.04 version
10:39
If the issue is solved in 16.04 version then we will think about that
10:39
<ZAJDAN>
XOpenDisplay(":0") failed.
10:40
<alkisg>
ZAJDAN: and do you have xorg running?
10:40
<ZAJDAN>
the problem is probably, that I am connected to the machine via NX and from command line try to open VNC
10:41
<alkisg>
You can run that command from inside nx
10:41
<ZAJDAN>
xorg should be there
10:42
<alkisg>
ZAJDAN: try to run xterm from the same terminal
10:42
Can you launch xterm from there?
10:42
If yes, you have xorg. If not, you don't have xorg there.
10:43
Gaurav____: it's possible that it is solved, yes. You are also using an old version of ltsp
10:43
!greek-schools-ppa | echo Gaurav____:
10:43
<ltsp>
Gaurav____: greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
10:43
<ZAJDAN>
xorg is there
10:44
<alkisg>
ZAJDAN: are all your clients amd64?
10:44
I.e. 64bit?
10:45
<ZAJDAN>
not
10:45
a few are 32bit
10:46
but is not problem use only 64bit
10:46
the I could gradually eradicate 32bit machines
10:46
<alkisg>
The 32bit clients won't boot at all, ok?
10:47
<ZAJDAN>
but be honest, would be nice use older iron when works good
10:47
<alkisg>
Also, KDE has known issues with LTSP
10:47
<ZAJDAN>
aha aha
10:47
<alkisg>
Are you set on using KDE, or you can also use e.g. mate?
10:47
<ZAJDAN>
no problem to change it to MATE
10:48
it is server...KDE is not good choice on such machine....
10:48
<alkisg>
ZAJDAN: well then you would need to start with reinstalling debian with mate
10:48
Go for debian stretch and mate 32 bit
10:49
<ZAJDAN>
not possible...this is machine which cannot be reinstaled
10:49
only change graphical enviroment is possible
10:49
or I could prepare another fresh machine
10:49
<alkisg>
Yeah that would be best
10:50
<ZAJDAN>
ok...as I will be ready...I will let You know
10:50
<alkisg>
First see how 32bit stretch+mate works on your clients, and then you can see if you want any changes over that
10:50
<Gaurav____>
Thank you alkisg for your help i will try to use upgraded version of LTSP and ubuntu
10:50
<alkisg>
Gaurav____: follow the ltsp-pnp guide as closely as you can
10:50
!ltsp-pnp
10:50
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
10:51
<Gaurav____>
yes sure
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15:17
<ZAJDAN>
know anybody if exist also windows 7 PXE ready (not installator)?
15:18
<alkisg>
ZAJDAN: I don't know what that means
15:18
Describe what you're asking with more words
15:18
<ZAJDAN>
I want to boot into ready system
15:18
not install the system via PXE
15:19
<alkisg>
So, not windows 7 pxe, but a netbooted windows system?
15:19
Possible with iscsi? or with a VM?
15:19
<ZAJDAN>
VM would be not a problem
15:19
<alkisg>
Then you can easily run windows in a vm on top of ltsp
15:20
Because windows doesn't like different hardware, so it would easily choke while netbooting
15:21
<ZAJDAN>
aha
15:22
<sbalneav>
Morning all
15:22
<alkisg>
Heya Scotty
15:23
<sbalneav>
'lo alkisg
15:29
<elias_a>
What is this? LTSP veteran parade? :P
15:29
Nice to see you, guys!
15:30* sbalneav drives the float
15:30* alkisg waves his cane at elias_a :D
15:42
<ZAJDAN>
I am installing new VM(Debian) and I am thinking how to divide HDD..where will be good plate for booting datas
15:42
is good leave it in / (root) ?
15:42
<alkisg>
For debian installation questions, ask in #debian
15:43
<ZAJDAN>
or create separated partition for /var
15:43
<alkisg>
The defaults are usually fine
15:43
<ZAJDAN>
I mean on which partiton is the best put PXE datas
15:44
<alkisg>
PXE is not related to the debian installation
15:44
<ZAJDAN>
ltsp puts into /var ...yes?
15:44
<alkisg>
PXE data is put in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386, it's not put in a partition
15:44
And it's just a few MB, not worth mentioning
15:45
<ZAJDAN>
but in /opt ..is the rest for PXE (big data)..yes?
15:46
<alkisg>
PXE is only the part until tftp
15:46
The rest of it is called "netboting"
15:46
In /opt you put the NBD or NFS data, yes
15:47
<ZAJDAN>
because my goal is create such machine which will provide boot of ready systems, installator of a few OS
15:47
<alkisg>
LTSP is for booting linux only
15:48
If you want to run VMs on top of it, you can surely do so
15:48
But you can't directly netboot windows with ltsp
15:48
<ZAJDAN>
yes....also the Linux I want to provide as ready system and installer
15:49
<alkisg>
Why do you want so much organization just for 4 clients?
15:49
<ZAJDAN>
client will boot via PXE...will get menu and there will be ready system, installer of a few system
15:49
because I wold like to centralize all on one place.....
15:50
but lets start just with one thing
15:50
<alkisg>
I'm not sure it's worth the effort just for 4 clients...
15:50
<ZAJDAN>
I want to create ltsp for pxe boot ready system
15:50
<alkisg>
Anyway, it's your effort :)
15:59
<||cw>
ZAJDAN: I have something like that, but I use a separate PXE server for the installers and utils. ltsp clients have entries that bypass that menu and redirect to the ltsp's tftp
16:00
but that's all just standard PXE boot stuff, nothing ltsp related
16:01
<ZAJDAN>
cw ---super!
16:03
<alkisg>
I think that when ZAJDAN says "installers", he means "installations" of systems
16:03
<ZAJDAN>
alkisg: yes
16:03
<alkisg>
At least that what he said in PM, he doesn't want a windows installer, but a windows installation...
16:04
<||cw>
ah, well you can't do that because windows doens't support it
16:05
<ZAJDAN>
I would like to offer menu, where station could choose if you want to install new system and another(discless) station could choose ready system (like liveCD)
16:09
is it possible?
16:09
somewhere I have seen it
16:14
<alkisg>
Sure , it will take you a few weeks to do it with netbooting and a few hours to do it locally :)
16:21
<||cw>
yes
16:23
that's standard PXE stuff. the livecd way is easy, you first mount or extract the ISO on the server and then export that via NFS, then copy the kernel and initrd into pxe and use the kernel command line to point to nfs
16:24
alkisg: not sure what you mean, pxe+nfs install is way faster than a cd
16:24
but maybe slower than USB is you only have 100Mbit nics
16:25
I say maybe because I have some USB that peak at 4MB/s
16:26
<alkisg>
||cw: I mean it's difficult to set it up, so it's best to install locally if you only have 4 clients
16:26
I'm not talking about boot speed but setup time
16:26
<ZAJDAN>
and is possible offer one "live system" with a few system accounts a each station boot under own account?
16:27
<||cw>
I guess that depend on how often you reinstall
16:28
ZAJDAN: that's what ltsp does, yes. the livecd method, each boot is its own instance and runs on the client itself, just like usb or cd booting
16:30
<ZAJDAN>
ah ok..because my goal is boot into such system and each station will start RDP with own credentials
16:31
and here I am confuse...when all clients runs system from one container, how the station know where to take configuration for RDP
16:31
<||cw>
there's ltsp instructions for making a xfreerdp client
16:31
the config is taken from the lts.conf
16:32
<ZAJDAN>
ltsp server pass such setting via MAC of station/client ?
16:32
ah ok..I understand now
16:32
<||cw>
you can make a menu, or you can connect to an rdp automatic based on client MAC
16:32
<ZAJDAN>
super!
16:33
<||cw>
you can also have both, only seeing the menu when the client's mac is not defined in the conf
16:33
<ZAJDAN>
wooow
16:34
sometime I thing some people are robots :_) what all is possible
16:41
<||cw>
ZAJDAN: when going beyond the standard ltsp deployment, just keep in mind that ltsp is build on top of several standard tools, and with a little research on those things and modifying the ltsp defaults you can do a whole lot of useful things
16:45
<ZAJDAN>
this is the benefit of NIX systems
16:56
what is actually a benefit of ltsp-pnp..the non-chroot method?
16:57
<||cw>
easier to maintain what's installed between thin and fat clients
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17:24
<ZAJDAN>
for ltsp-pnp: ltsp-server, dnsmasq...what more?
17:24
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
17:24
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
17:24
<alkisg>
Follow the ubuntu guide for the initial installation steps
17:31
<ZAJDAN>
on debian have to also ldm-ubuntu-theme?
17:31
<alkisg>
No
17:31
<ZAJDAN>
because such package will be problem
17:31
ok
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<ZAJDAN>
echo 'IPAPPEND=3' >> /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf such config file doesnt exist on debian
17:33
is enough to create such file?
17:34
and pass the content there
17:34
<alkisg>
Do you have ltsp-client-core installed?
17:36
<ZAJDAN>
yes version ...5.5.9-2
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<ZAJDAN>
dpkg -l ltsp-client-core shows me that is there
17:37
<alkisg>
dpkg -S ltsp-client-core | grep update-kernels
17:37
You'll see that the file is there too
17:38
<ZAJDAN>
returns nothing
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<alkisg>
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/i386/ltsp-client-core/filelist
17:39
It's in the 5th line there
17:39
I.e. if you don't have it, something is very wrong already
17:40
<ZAJDAN>
pure fresh install!
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<ZAJDAN>
ok I have reinstalled ltsp-client and now is there...strange
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<ZAJDAN>
now I am installing epoptes, so far everithing goes fine
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20:04
<ZAJDAN>
erka
20:06
is anybody here?
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20:08
<ZAJDAN>
haha :_)
20:10
when ltsp runs on VM and I will change hardware resources, for example increase cores of CPU for VM is need to lstp-update-image ?
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20:30
<ZAJDAN>
erka
20:36
<alkisg>
ZAJDAN: no, linux can boot without problems even if you change the hardware
20:36
What is "erka"?
20:37
<ZAJDAN>
one my machine hostname
20:38
<alkisg>
And why do you write erka here? It listens on irc? :D
20:38
<ZAJDAN>
so I have a few steps done...right now I finished Editing lts.conf
20:41
now I should continue with the DNS, but in my case DNS does Mikrotik router(where I have options for PXE)
20:42
<alkisg>
No don't do the dns parts
20:42
<ZAJDAN>
ok
20:43
probably I will need to configure lts.conf...right?
20:44
what about tftp? in the manual is nothing about the tftp
20:46
<alkisg>
ltsp-config dnsmasq configures tftp
20:48
<ZAJDAN>
File /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf exist but --overwrite was not specified. Aborting
20:50
<alkisg>
OK you did it in a previous step
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<ZAJDAN>
true,,I really forgot I made it before
20:57
on Mikrotik in DHCP options Boot File Name:/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 ...is it correct?
20:59
<alkisg>
Yes, and you also need rootpath=/opt/ltsp/i386, and next-server=ip-of-ltsp
20:59
<matute>
in my case it's without the initial "/"
20:59
<ZAJDAN>
matute: good to know..thnx
20:59
<matute>
017 Root path: /opt/ltsp/i386
21:00
<alkisg>
Yes matute is right, debian has a bug and needs that fix there
21:00
<ZAJDAN>
ughrrr
21:00
<matute>
067 Bootfile Name: ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
21:00
<ZAJDAN>
so I have to create new DHCP options 017 ..?
21:00
<alkisg>
Eh, I would assume the opposite
21:01
Root path=opt/ltsp/i386, and boot filename=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0...
21:01
But anyways
21:01
<matute>
those are the parameters as I've got them configured in my DHCP (win 2003 srv btw) and everything is working fine
21:01
<vagrantc>
that's a bug in NBD's initramfs-tools hooks, not LTSP
21:02
my preferred workaround is to add another stanza in /etc/nbd-server/config/ltsp_*
21:02* vagrantc really needs to get that fixed soon
21:03
<vagrantc>
anyways, off to other things...
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21:06
<ZAJDAN>
when I try to add on mikrotik new DHCP options 017 it returns uknown data type
21:07
on Mikrotik it will be 162 - root path
21:07
<alkisg>
ZAJDAN: you don't need t oconfigure your rouer
21:08
ltsp-pnp works without router configuration
21:08
If you already ran ltsp-update-image -c /, then just try to boot a client
21:08
<ZAJDAN>
ok
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21:09
<ZAJDAN>
but somehow client need to get info how to boot
21:10
<alkisg>
It gets it from dnsmasq, from ltsp
21:10
!proxydhcp
21:10
<ltsp>
proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
21:12
<ZAJDAN>
omg..it is so confusing----there is written: Installing dnsmasq and removing ltsp-server-standalone
21:12
<alkisg>
You don't need to do anything there
21:12
You already done that
21:13
<ZAJDAN>
but previous manual about ltsp-pnp says something else....install dnsmasq and also tlsp-server
21:13
<alkisg>
It's just explaining what proxydhcp is
21:13
<ZAJDAN>
ok
21:13
<alkisg>
Don't do the steps to install it because you already have it
21:13
<ZAJDAN>
I know
21:14
so now I do no know....may I use my Mikrotik as DHCP for PXE or not?
21:14
before You told me yes....now we speak about DHCP proxy
21:15
<matute>
simple, where do you have a DHCP server?
21:15
<alkisg>
You can use mikrotik as dhcp, yes
21:15
<matute>
in the mikrotik? or in the LTSP server?
21:15
<alkisg>
But you tried and didn't know how to do it
21:15
So I told you that you don't even need to
21:15
Because ltsp-pnp already works without you configuring the dhcp server
21:15
<ZAJDAN>
my main DHCP server is Mikrotik and I would like to use also for PXE
21:15
<alkisg>
ZAJDAN: do that later
21:16
Now just boot a client
21:16
<ZAJDAN>
ok...I see that client gets IP from tlsp server(such subnet I have not on Mikrotik)
21:17
PXE-T02: Option neogation failure (file not found or inacessible?)
21:17
permissions on server?
21:17
<alkisg>
Give me vnc to see
21:17
!vnc-edide
21:17
<ltsp>
vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
21:18
<alkisg>
Or,
21:18
!vnc-dide
21:18
<ltsp>
vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
21:20
<ZAJDAN>
ok...connected..seems to be
21:20
erkaerkaerka
21:21
<alkisg>
You type it and press enter
21:21
<ZAJDAN>
is there
21:22
<alkisg>
At 21:58 you booted a client?
21:22
<ZAJDAN>
yes
21:22
<alkisg>
And why does it fail now? What did you change?
21:22
<ZAJDAN>
I changed nothing
21:24
<alkisg>
Remove the options from the router
21:24
Then boot the client again
21:24
<ZAJDAN>
ok
21:25
same problem
21:25
<alkisg>
I didn't see a dhcp request
21:25
Is it on the same subnet as the ltsp server?
21:26
Does it have a cable properly plugged in? Etc etc
21:26
<ZAJDAN>
mikrotik gives for clients subnet 192.168.6.0/24
21:27
<alkisg>
Does it block dhcp broadcasts?
21:27
Because normally dnsmasq reports that some client does a dhcp request
21:27
<ZAJDAN>
moment!
21:27
<alkisg>
Mar 3 21:57:59 pxe-master dnsmasq-dhcp[11447]: PXE(enp0s3) 08:00:27:51:a4:e1 proxy
21:28
That's what you should see in the ltsp server, when a client does a pxe request
21:28
<ZAJDAN>
my mistake!
21:28
pxe client was set with NAT -sorry
21:28
it was quickly created vm client
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21:29
<alkisg>
OK, boot it again
21:29
<ZAJDAN>
done
21:29
frozen in text mode (initramfs)
21:30
and before warning: Failed to connect to lvnetad
21:30
<alkisg>
What initramfs? It again didn't contact the ltsp server at all
21:30
Do what you did to boot the client previously. Was that the same VM that you tried?
21:31
<ZAJDAN>
is says client
21:31
Cannot process volume group pxe
21:31
on the server I use LVM
21:33
http://picpaste.com/pics/PXE-client-boot-problem-K2mq4HOE.1488576790.png
21:34
<alkisg>
Ah, ok, that's a problem with ltsp-pnp then
21:34
Because it tries to do the same things that your server does
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21:36
<ZAJDAN>
problem about LVM yes
21:37
<alkisg>
reboot client
21:37
<ZAJDAN>
ok
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<ZAJDAN>
client successfully booted
21:39
<alkisg>
Cool, it was the nbd-server bug that we were chatting above
21:40
ZAJDAN: ok, add a new user to the server, and login to the client...
21:40
<ZAJDAN>
epoptes..this is really perfect!
21:40
<alkisg>
Thank you :)
21:42
adduser, not useradd...
21:42
Specify a password there
21:43
OK, welcome to LTSP. The rest is up to you now! :)
21:44
<ZAJDAN>
big thank!!! it is really perfect tool!
21:44
big work...hat down
21:45
about the nbd...it will be fixed? for future
21:45
<alkisg>
Yes
21:46
For now, create two files, one with slash and one without it
21:47
<ZAJDAN>
but what is magic, that client during boot gets IP from Mikrotik and without DHCP options know the rest about boot server
21:47
amazing
21:48
<alkisg>
It's the same for windows dhcp servers too, you don't need to configure them at all :D
21:48
And it works with cheap routers that ISPs give as well, that have almost no configuration...
21:48
<ZAJDAN>
ltsp-pnp send some broadcast where are the info for boot?
21:48
<alkisg>
That's why it's becoming the default for ltsp, it's too easy
21:48
You didn't read what proxydhcp is...
21:48
!proxydhcp
21:48
<ltsp>
proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
21:49
<alkisg>
I typed that before so that you read what it is, not to execute the commands...
21:49
<ZAJDAN>
ok...I will read about this
21:54
could you look at something?
21:55
<alkisg>
I closed the vnc window
21:56
ZAJDAN: you need to logout/login for group changes to take effect
21:56
<ZAJDAN>
ah yes...true
21:56
<alkisg>
Or, use newgrp to run epoptes.
21:56
<ZAJDAN>
thnx
21:56
in what it is written whole the project?
21:57
<alkisg>
python and shell
21:57
<ZAJDAN>
wtf? just python
21:57
amazing
21:58
some special framework?
21:58
<alkisg>
nope
21:58
<ZAJDAN>
and the GUI? epoptes
21:58
<alkisg>
python/gtk
21:59
<ZAJDAN>
you are really good
21:59
congratulations
21:59
<alkisg>
ty
22:03
<ZAJDAN>
what is really cool is that the thubnails in epoptes is rendered relatime
22:08
one client is connected throug old 100M switch and it works very good..fast
22:08
super!
22:08
<alkisg>
It's because it's fat client and not thin :)
22:11
<ZAJDAN>
what is the difference between fat and thin?
22:11
<alkisg>
Thin is like remote desktop, fat is like remote disk only
22:12
<ZAJDAN>
so the diskless stations are fat clients?
22:13
in all cases just because of the diskless?
22:13
<alkisg>
Both thins and fats are diskless
22:13
Clients with >=500 mb ram get to be "fat"
22:13
With less, they become thin
22:13
From the same chroot
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<ZAJDAN>
ah yes now I understand..it depends on RAM
22:15
crucial is ram
22:15
the more the best
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