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Channel log from 21 July 2011   (all times are UTC)

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06:21
<alkisg>
Hm. For some reason dnsmasq-tftp send a corrupted lts.conf to my vbox client.
06:21
While using "binary" mode it works fine, and fast.
06:21
What was the reason for not using binary mode in tftp again?
06:22
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/238010
06:36
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i seem to recall switching from one to the other
06:36
or it at least coming up before
06:46
<alkisg>
Hey, wait a minute, which tftp client is this?! (in the initramfs) I thought we were using busybox...
06:52
Hmm looks like it's the tftp-hpa client in the ubuntu initramfs, instead of the one embedded into busybox
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06:55
<alkisg>
OK I'm able to reproduce the problem with the tftp-hpa client locally on the server
06:55
It only appears when lts.conf has a specific size
06:55
I'll look into it and file a bug against dnsmasq or tftp-hpa...
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07:08
<alkisg>
Busybox tftp works fine though, it might be using a binary transfer like the pxe stage also does...
07:12
<muppis>
Heh. Kernel panic @ DL380 G7 (2CPU, 12 GB) when trying to load client.
07:13
<vagrantc>
ouch
07:13* vagrantc would give memtest a whirl
07:14
<muppis>
First trying to boot at CD.
07:14
One thing annoys: I assembled whole machine yesterday, so haven't booted before at all.
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07:46
<muppis>
LiveCD boot sfine.
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07:51
<Hyperbyte>
Morning. :)
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08:42
<alkisg>
muppis: kernel panic why? Missing network module?
08:42
!!quiet-splash | echo muppis:
08:42
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "!quiet-splash" is not a valid command.
08:42
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash | echo muppis:
08:42
<ltsp>
muppis: quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash ..
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09:37
<muppis>
alkisg, didn't catch why did it. Previous message was about detecting ATEN USB KVM.
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09:57
<muppis>
Is there meta-package to convert desktop to server?
09:57
Or did I install desktop for nothing?
09:58
<vagrantc>
ubuntu?
09:58
<muppis>
Yes.
09:58
<vagrantc>
just install ltsp-server-standalone
09:58
<muppis>
Not ltsp, regular.
09:58
<vagrantc>
it's just a matter of which packages are installed
09:58
there's nothing magic in it
09:59
<muppis>
I know, but I'm trying to ease my job. ;)
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10:11
<alkisg>
muppis: tasksel install ubuntu-desktop
10:12
<muppis>
alkisg, doesn't that install desktop?
10:12
<alkisg>
muppis: ah I thought you said "server to desktop"
10:12
You mean, to remove the desktop packages?
10:12
<muppis>
Yes.
10:12
<alkisg>
Along with X and gnome and everything?
10:12
So that you're unable to run ltsp anymore?
10:13
<muppis>
Everything, like is being installed as server in first place.
10:13
Yes, this certain machine is not going to be ltsp-server.
10:13
<alkisg>
What do you have currently? Gnome?
10:13
<muppis>
Yep.
10:15
<alkisg>
You need something like this: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
10:15
But it has all the desktops there except for gnome, google for something similar
10:15
I.e. it's not a small command, it's a big list of packages
10:18
`tasksel --task-packages ubuntu-desktop` will show you a few of them
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10:23
<vagrantc>
apt-get autoremove ubuntu-desktop
10:23
might go a long way
10:28
<muppis>
I got time. There's 3 other DL380's waiting installation.
10:30
But... Removing ubuntu-desktop only removes that, nothing else
10:32
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I don't think that will work, tasksel marks all dependencies as manually installed
10:33
That's why the huge list of packages is necessary on the `apt-get purge` command line
10:34
<vagrantc>
how awful.
10:37* alkisg doesn't even understand the reason why tasksel exists
10:37
<alkisg>
Maybe to prevent noob users from destroying their installations by purging ubuntu-desktop and then autoremoving the rest... but it gets in the way otherwise
10:37
<muppis>
Installer uses it?
10:38
<alkisg>
Yes, but those packages could be in the "recommends" list of ubuntu-desktop instead of a tasksel list
10:39
<muppis>
ubuntu-desktop is simple meta-package, it contain depencies, but no one doesn't need it, so by purging it just brokes that what Canonincal thinks what is Ubuntu Desktop.
10:40
<alkisg>
Well gnome and gnome-desktop-environment etc are similar packages, I don't see them using tasksel.
10:41
While, without tasksel, you could just install kubuntu-desktop and autoremove ubuntu-desktop, and you'd have switched to KDE without making a mess
10:44
<muppis>
I think I'll end up reinstalling this machine. One thing I hate in my boss. He's little paranoid about having dnsmasq in our internal lan to server pxe booting.
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10:44
<vagrantc>
paranoid?
10:45
worried about it messing with another dhcp server or something?
10:46
<muppis>
vagrantc, thinks it reveals something something important like IP addresses and names to public, as we do not have internal lan to connected any machine were customers have an access.
10:46
There's no dhcpd in our lan.
10:46
<vagrantc>
reveals where?
10:46
ah.
10:46
it's not dnsmasq, just DHCP
10:47
<muppis>
I requested dnsmsq to gain tftpd to ease new installations.
10:49
And also acting as dns also to have same names for machines for every one who needs those.
10:49
As those names and IP's are saved now on machine were customers does have access..
10:51
Puuh. As I though. While trying to remove/purge everything ubuntu-desktop -related, apt-get tries to install kubuntu..
10:52
So just all over again. Seeya later. ;)
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11:10
<alkisg>
You can tell dnsmasq to ignore *all* clients except ones with known mac addresses
11:10
And have all known clients with static IP reservations
11:10
That should be about the same as not having a dhcp server at all, "security"-wise
11:22
<muppis>
alkisg, I know. I use it that way at home, but haven't got my boss convienced from that.
11:25
<andygraybeal>
morning guys
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12:04
<Ghidorah>
Hello, does anyone know if there is a PPA for the man pages for lts.conf?
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12:21
<vmassuchetto>
The clients are starting with a wrong system date. How can I fix this?
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12:25
<Hyperbyte>
vmassuchetto, make sure ntpdate is installed in the chroot (should be by default, but for some reason it wasn't for me)
12:25
Then in lts.conf specify TIMEZONE and TIMESERVER
12:25
!lts.conf | echo vmassuchetto
12:25
<ltsp>
vmassuchetto lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf.
12:26
<Hyperbyte>
If you have a local timeserver you can specify that, else set up ntpd on your terminal server and specify the terminal server's IP as timeserver
12:29
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, thanks!
12:29
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
12:31
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, wich format is TIMEZONE?
12:36
<Hyperbyte>
vmassuchetto, anything in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ and subdirs
12:36
I.e, /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin, for example
12:39
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, you mean, TIMEZONE = /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin ?
12:40
Hyperbyte, nevermind, I used the UTC code.
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12:42
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, thanks again.
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13:28
<stgraber>
yeah, ltsp daily builds!
13:28
just need to add ldm, ltspfs and ltsp-docs :)
13:32
<alkisg>
stgraber +1 ⊞2 ⊕3
13:33
The lucid backport in https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/proposed seems to work fine too
13:35
Btw here's the dnsmasq-discuss ML message I sent about dnsmasq tftp still having problems with netascii transfers: http://lists.thekelleys.org.uk/pipermail/dnsmasq-discuss/2011q3/005159.html
13:36
<vagrantc>
stgraber: do the keyboard shortcuts for ldm work for you? they've been broken for me since ldm 2.2.x
13:41
<stgraber>
I haven't really tried them in a long time. They may very well be broken now that the greeter and the menu are basically two different windows
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14:07
<stgraber>
sorry for flooding ltsp-trunk with no change commits :) I need to do one more to get the package built for lucid, maverick and natty
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14:28
<Ghidorah>
Good morning everyone, I'm attempting to force Ubuntu-Classic session for users with LTSP-Cluster.
14:28
Some other users reported that if you set LDM_XSESSION to gnome-session --session=classic-gnome
14:29
will force Ubuntu Classic
14:29
But there is an interesting issue where it will not create the typical directories in the user profile
14:29
it will only create Desktop
14:30
for a new user login
14:30
If I login as the user to the app server locally everything works as expected.
14:30
Any ideas?
14:31
<TheMatrix3000>
I am now happily using Nagio to monitor my LTSP server :)
14:38
<Ghidorah>
stgraber: You around?
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14:56
<mgariepy>
Ghidorah, which version of ltsp ?
14:56* andygraybeal ^5's TheMatrix3000 :))
14:58
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i was thinking of releasing ltsp-docs 1.0 today ... just uploaded a new version to debian
14:58
noticed that you marked it as mature
14:58
could really use a review for accuracy, though
14:59
<mgariepy>
Ghidorah, can you try ldm from revolution linux ppa + LDM_SESSION = gnome-session --session=classic-gnome
14:59
<stgraber>
vagrantc: yeah, marked it as "mature" because it's been around for a long long time now :)
15:00
vagrantc: I also looked at release.conf and thought that maybe we should tag 1.0 :)
15:07
<Ghidorah>
mgariepy, I'm on LTSP-Cluster, and yes I can try the LDM
15:08
stgraber: Do you accept bribes for bug fixes?
15:08
stgraber: I know of some good beers.
15:10
<stgraber>
I saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldm/+bug/812328 will have a look soon
15:10
<Ghidorah>
stgraber: I've heard some developers work better when intoxicated.
15:10
I can help with this
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15:15
<stgraber>
hehe
15:17
<Ghidorah>
But on a serious note, I really appreciate the work that has been done with LTSP and LTSP-Cluster. I'm getting ready to go live with LTSP-Cluster.
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15:19
<andygraybeal>
yay ltsp cluster!
15:20
i am wondering if such a thing exists that if i have a catastrophe with one of my machines, can i easily pick up where i left off with another machine? is this a cluster type situation or... how would i go about doing this?
15:20
machines would be running ltsp of couse
15:20
*course
15:20
server
15:20
<pingufan>
Hello, I know that #kiwi-ltsp would be the better place to ask, but there I get no answer. Hope that somebody here can help me.
15:22
I have clients with VIA mainboards. When I manually edit the kernel bootline (which is automatically generated by KIWI), from vga=791 -> vga=0x31a, everything is fine. But how can I make that permanent?
15:23
<Ghidorah>
andygraybeal: left where you left off? I don't know about that
15:23
<Hyperbyte>
Kernel bootline isn't automatically generated, it's fetched from tftp (at least on Ubuntu)
15:23
<andygraybeal>
Ghidorah, okay yea, it's vague. i don't know what i'm describing either.
15:23
<Ghidorah>
from my understanding of how it works is a load balancing with different application servers
15:23
So for example
15:23
<Hyperbyte>
See your tftpd directory for pxelinux.cfg/default
15:23
<Ghidorah>
in my setup
15:23
<pingufan>
In which file is the bootline stored?
15:23
<Ghidorah>
I have one LTSP-Root and 3 LTSP-App servers. When a user logs in, it picks an app server
15:24
<Hyperbyte>
On Ubuntu it's /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
15:24
<andygraybeal>
Ghidorah, i guess i want a redundant system.. for failover purposes.
15:24
<Ghidorah>
well
15:24
if the app server dies
15:24
while users on it, there sessions go with it
15:25
but they can log back in
15:25
and it SHOULD pick another app server
15:25
<andygraybeal>
yea, that sounds good. is there a way to replicate the Root?
15:26
i guess like.. master, slave, then app servers.
15:27
<Ghidorah>
You could
15:28
<pingufan>
Hyperbyte: Thank you. In openSuSE it is simply /srv/tftpboot/....
15:28
<Ghidorah>
setup the root server on a linux high availability cluster
15:28
<pingufan>
Can I make the choice dependend from MAC address of the client?
15:29
Then I could run clients with different screens/resolutions.
15:29
<Ghidorah>
You can do a lot of that with LTS.CONF
15:30
You can go by MAC, Hostname, IP Address, and maybe others...
15:31
<pingufan>
lts.conf allows me to choose different kernel-bootoptions? This is what I am actually looking for. How do I set a particular vga=..... parameter?
15:31
<Ghidorah>
so for example pingufan in my LTS.CONF I had [009*] X_MODE_0=800x600
15:32
pingufan: hrmm I'm not sure how to make that change.
15:32
<pingufan>
Ah, that doesn't work. I tried this way to switch to 1280x1024, it permanently was nailed up to 1024x768
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15:33
<pingufan>
If I could choose a particular bootmenu file by the MAC, it would also be fine.
15:33
<Hyperbyte>
pingufan, I have a hard time believing OpenSUSE only lets you specify screen resolution as a kernel parameter and not otherwise.
15:33
<pingufan>
Then I can manually make copies and edit them.
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15:35
<pingufan>
In openSuSE I have no problems in configuring a local display and craphics card. Usually. But with LTSP I am not so familiar.
15:35
In fact I do my first steps.
15:35
<Hyperbyte>
pingufan, then what distro are your LTSP thin clients running?
15:35
<pingufan>
openSuSE, I guess?
15:35
The host is runnint it (at least).
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15:36
<Hyperbyte>
Unless the OpenSUSE client chroots are made from a different distro than the host, they should also be OpenSUSE. Meaning that as soon as you can figure out how to get 'xrandr' working properly on OpenSUSE for your thin clients' hardware, setting xrandr mode via lts.conf will work.
15:37
<pingufan>
But it seems that - because the clients use vesa or fbdev - I have to set the resolution as vga=.... when a useful driver is available, it will possibly overrule that afterwards, but here i stuck.
15:37
<Hyperbyte>
Meaning, get OpenSUSE to use a video driver that works properly and support xrandr, and you're done.
15:38
Your clients should use whatever you specify in lts.conf as XSERVER
15:38
<pingufan>
There I entered "via", as this is a VIA based Mobo with VIA Chrome HD9 chip.
15:40
<Hyperbyte>
uh huh.... and then you can't choose anything but 1024x768?
15:40
<pingufan>
But I read lots of difficulties people have with drivers. VESA would be fine, I have no needs for highspeed, as long as it works.
15:40
Exactly. Whatever is selected as kernel parameter is nailed.
15:40
<Hyperbyte>
Okay - so a driver is broken on OpenSUSE and you're basically asking us to make LTSP work with broken drivers? :)
15:41
<pingufan>
And previously there was vga=791 (which is 1024x768)
15:41
No. I ask, how I can change this boot options depending on the client's MAC.
15:42
<Hyperbyte>
pingufan, the whole point of using xrandr is that xrandr detects and sets the optimal resolution for your screens automatically. What you're saying is "I want to use a video driver that doesn't support xrandr, yet still set the resolution automatically". This is illogical. Use the correct video driver.
15:42
<Gadi>
(not to butt in, but are you sure the driver is "via" and not "openchrome"?)
15:42
<Hyperbyte>
pingufan, as far as I know, you can't. Unless you make several tftpboot directories and point each client to a specific one as a DHCP server setting
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15:42
<Gadi>
perhaps, you should simply not specify the XSERVER
15:42
<alkisg>
You can set kernel parameters per mac address by defining pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address files
15:43
But I'm sure that passing vga=xxx is NOT the solution to your problem
15:43
Listen to Gadi :)
15:43
<pingufan>
Again you are wrong. What I say is (possibly): I want to overrule this not working xrandr and force different kernel parameters for every client. And as I can identify the client only throu its MAX, ...
15:43
alkisg: It works.
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15:44
<alkisg>
pingufan: ok, if you want to do what you want to do, pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address is the way to do it. If you want to listen to more experienced people, listen to Gadi and Hyperbyte :)
15:44* Gadi runs away
15:44
<Gadi>
:)
15:44
<alkisg>
Hehe
15:44
<Hyperbyte>
Haha
15:45
<alkisg>
When a client boots, pxelinux says "trying to load pxelinux.cfg/xxxxxxxxxx" a lot of such lines there. It tries by mac, by ip etc etc
15:45
So you can copy pxelinux.cfg/default to one of those files, per client
15:45
<pingufan>
As I must get this working rapidely (in 12 hours it must work) ...
15:45
<alkisg>
More docs about this in the syslinux site
15:46
<pingufan>
how must the filename be assembled?
15:46
<Hyperbyte>
pingufan, I'm a Fedora person myself. But Fedora's video driver for the intel card in my thin clients didn't properly work with xrandr and dual displays. I ended up switching to Ubuntu, because I figured a distro switch with a working autodetection of screens, would be a hell lot easier than to create new files for every new thin client or new screen that is attached. But it's your party. Either way, getting a working videodriver is your best bet.
15:46
(did that get cut off?)
15:47
<alkisg>
No it's ok
15:47
<Hyperbyte>
:)
15:47
<alkisg>
pingufan: http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/PXELINUX#How_do_I_Configure_PXELINUX.3F
15:48
"First, it will search for the config file using the hardware type (using its ARP type code) and address, all in lower case hexadecimal with dash separators; for example, for an Ethernet (ARP type 1) with address 88:99:AA:BB:CC:DD it would search for the filename 01-88-99-aa-bb-cc-dd. " etc etc
15:48
<pingufan>
Ah! only the MAC is the filename. Now I understand.
15:48
<alkisg>
Don't forget the 01- in front
15:48
It's the type code for ethernet
15:48
<pingufan>
Ok, I would have foregotten it... Thanks.
15:49
<alkisg>
But seriously, stop wasting your time with that and search for a proper solution :)
15:50
<pingufan>
Ok. First, I make this (as this are only 2-3 clients in total). Then I have time to play with other solutions. - Acceptable?
15:50
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: I think the logs don't display UTF8? Trying: καλημέρα, θα φανεί στα logs αυτό;
15:50
<Hyperbyte>
.
15:50
<alkisg>
pingufan: sure, if you think that it'll help
15:51
<pingufan>
As both clients are from same manufacturer, I will have the option to use only an abbrev. MAC, too.
15:51
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, not sure what's suppossed to display as in the logs
15:51
<pingufan>
(actually two identical clients)
15:51
<Hyperbyte>
But the webpage is reading and outputting as utf-8. Are you sure the logs support utf-8?
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15:52
<Hyperbyte>
Or at least I think it's outputting utf8... it should output... wait...
15:52* Hyperbyte checks.
15:53
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: I think the text files are utf8, yes, so if there's a problem, it would be in the php/html logic somewhere
15:55
<pingufan>
Does somebody know how many octets usually are changing within one manufacturer's production? Last 1/2/3 ?
15:55
<Hyperbyte>
pingufan, first 3 is manufacturer, last three is device.
15:57
<pingufan>
So first 3-4 octets should be enough to grop this kind of mainboards.
15:57
ls
15:57
<alkisg>
<no files found>
15:57
<Hyperbyte>
.
15:57
..
15:58
passwords.txt
15:58
:O
15:58
<pingufan>
Sorry, wrong window.
15:58
<alkisg>
cat passwords.txt
15:58
<Hyperbyte>
pingufan, no kidding. :)
15:59
alkisg, file is UTF-8, webpage is UTF-8
15:59
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: the greek chars show fine when I cat the log - the problem may be somewhere in php?
15:59
This is what firefox shows, it's broken: 15:50<alkisg>Hyperbyte: I think the logs don't display UTF8? Trying: καλημέ�α, θα �ανεί ��α logs α���;
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16:00
<pingufan>
Strange the boot menu loops in its countdown of 5 seconds and does not start up the first entry. When I press Enter, it boots.
16:00
What is wrong here?
16:00
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, that's what I'm saying - file is UTF8, webpage is UTF8
16:01
I think the function I used for reading the file isn't utf8-proof
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: wow that was fast fixing ;)
16:10
UTF8 at last. OK, I can now stop writing English. Whoever wants help will first need to learn Greek :P
16:11
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, out of curiousity, see if a search for UTF-8 strings works
16:11
I doubt it, but I added the UTF-8 fix there as well.
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16:12
<pingufan>
Why does pxelinux automatically boot "default" but loop until I press "Enter", when it loads a MAC-dependent file?
16:13
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: searching works fine too :)
16:21
pingufan: for pxelinux problems. tjere
16:21
there's also a #syslinux channel
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16:27
<pingufan>
I got it working. Seems to be extremely sensitive, but now it works.
16:28
Thanks a lot for your kindly help. Now I can relax, it works.
16:29
Even multimedia is playing s.m.o.o.t.l.y over network, including sound. Whow!
16:30
Bye for now.
16:34
arp
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16:54
<highvoltage>
/WIN 10
16:54
(FAIL)
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17:00
<pingufan>
Hello, one, final little thing is open: Can the client get the server's time (sync to it) when it shows the login screen? I see there the local time which is wrong.
17:03
<alkisg>
Install ntpd on the server and set TIMEZONE/TIMESERVER in lts.conf
17:11
<Hyperbyte>
And also make sure that ntpdate is installed on the client
17:12
<pingufan>
I enabled it in /etc/xinet.d/ and also added "option ntp-servers " meanwhile to /etc/dhcpd.conf. lts.conf contains in default section: TIMESERVER=10.4.0.1 and TIMEZONE=GMT+1. Still the wrong time on the client.
17:14
Well, as everything comes later from the server that isn't critical, it is only confusing.
17:15
<alkisg>
There was a bug concerning time updating on fast clients
17:15
But before going there, check if ntpdate works if you run it locally on the client
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17:15
<alkisg>
I.e., get a local root shell on your thin client, and run: ntpdate server
17:16
Also TIMEZONE=GMT+1 isn't correct
17:16
Here are some methods to get a local shell - probably some of those work on opensuse too:
17:16
!SCREEN_02
17:16
<ltsp>
alkisg: SCREEN_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN.
17:19
<frederickjh>
My entries in lts.conf look like this
17:19
# Keep the time on the client machines BIOS and the login screen up to date
17:19
TIMEZONE=Europe/Zurich
17:19
TIMESERVER=91.189.94.4
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17:27
<Ghidorah>
mgariepy: you around?
17:28
<mgariepy>
yeah
17:28
<Ghidorah>
I attempted the LDM from revolution PPA
17:28
with the LDM_SESSION set to gnome-session --session=classic-gnome
17:29
sadly it still defaults to unity
17:31
Do you have any other suggestions that I may try out? :)
17:31
<mgariepy>
hmm
17:32
this package works for me.
17:32
did you try with a new user ?
17:33
<Ghidorah>
I deleted their home dir
17:33
<mgariepy>
can you pastebin : getltscfg-cluster -a
17:33
<Ghidorah>
yes sir
17:35
<tastle73>
:wq
17:36
<Hyperbyte>
tastle73: save succesful
17:37
<Ghidorah>
mgariepy:http://pastebin.com/heNRNtn5
17:43
<tastle73>
lol
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18:00
<mgariepy>
Ghidorah, ldm package version ?
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18:04
<Ghidorah>
mgariepy: Dang it doesn't look like the ldm package is installed... I'm a little confused right now
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18:05
<Ghidorah>
before I mess up further... LDM package should be deployed on the app server and/or chroot?
18:05
<alkisg>
chroot
18:05
<mgariepy>
Ghidorah, only chroot i thuin
18:05
think*
18:05
only chroot if alkisg say it! :)
18:05
<dead_inside>
lol
18:06
<Hyperbyte>
!alkisg
18:06
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail..
18:06* Hyperbyte takes a bow
18:06
<mgariepy>
nice :D
18:06
<dead_inside>
all hail alkisg
18:10
<Ghidorah>
lol
18:10
<alkisg>
Hahaha Hyperbyte you're going to make me blush :D
18:11
Also I prefer Neo to the Oracle :P
18:12
http://files.sharenator.com/neo_stopping_bullets_Woah_Neos_Passport_in_the_Matrix_Expired_on_9112001-s460x311-82658-580.jpg
18:14
<Hyperbyte>
Neo's your real life nickname I assume? ;)
18:14
<alkisg>
Hmmm don't tell too many secrets, I'll pull your matrix plug
18:29
<Ghidorah>
mgariepy: You are my hero
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18:30
<Ghidorah>
Now onto the next issue! Adobe Flash Plugin in ltsp-localapps
18:35
<mgariepy>
Ghidorah, run firefox from whitin a xterm
18:35
you *might* see the error.
18:36
sometimes the library libcurl3-gnutls doesn't get installed.
18:40
<Ghidorah>
dang no such luck
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18:55
<Ghidorah>
mgariepy: do you use pulseaudio-module-suspend-on-idle.desktop as outlined in the LTSP-Cluster howto?
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18:57
<mgariepy>
maybe
18:57
i have the file in /etc/xdg/autostart/
18:57
what is not working ?
18:58
<Ghidorah>
do you do anything else with pulseaudio?
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18:58
<Ghidorah>
I think pulseaudio is crashing my flashplugin :-/
18:59
<alkisg>
Try SOUND=False, this disables pulseaudio
18:59
You'll know then if that's to blame or not
19:00
<Ghidorah>
ah ha, I'll have to add that to the LTSP-Cluster Control Center
19:00
Thanks for the advice alkisg.
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21:22
<Ghidorah>
Has anyone used the latest release of rdesktop in LTSP?
21:23* alkisg has used the latest version of xfreerdp
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21:24
<Ghidorah>
do you like it more than rdesktop?
21:24
<alkisg>
rdesktop isn't actively developed, xfreerdp is
21:24
I had problems with keymaps in rdesktop, they work fine in xfreerdp
21:25
<Ghidorah>
Someone new is maintaining rdesktop and released a new update in April
21:26
can xfreerdp be a drop in replacement for rdesktop in LTSP?
21:26
<alkisg>
I've heard that, but xfreerdp has a lot more developers committing stuff each day on their git repository, it looks way more active
21:26
Yes, it can
21:30
Here is the rdesktop tracker activity from sourceforge: basically, dead.
21:30
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=24366&ugn=rdesktop
21:30
<Ghidorah>
yeah... ouch.
21:31
<alkisg>
And their svn, 0 writes: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=24366&ugn=rdesktop&type=svn
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21:35
<alkisg>
Does anyone have experience with x2go? Is it better than freenx/neatx?
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21:41
<Ghidorah>
Do you have issues with freenx?
21:47
<alkisg>
Session suspend/resume doesn't work, session shadowing doesn't work, etc etc
21:47
<Ghidorah>
ah
21:47
<alkisg>
And neatx, while it's easier on the installation, it has problems with older sesssions and needs a clean up once in a while
21:48
<Ghidorah>
Do you use it for external access?
21:49
<alkisg>
Yup
21:49
<Ghidorah>
Do you know if NFS_HOME is only used for fatclients?
21:50
<alkisg>
Yes, but it can probably be used for localapps too
21:55
<Ghidorah>
sigh, Flash is the devil
21:56
killed my chroot and started anew hoping I goofed
21:56
Cannot get flash to work in local apps
21:57
<alkisg>
I assume sound wasn't the problem then?
21:58
If you start firefox etc from a local terminal, do you see any errors on the output?
21:58
<Ghidorah>
You assume right, I still appreciate the tip on sound. We don't offer sound on the terminals.
21:58
I do not get any output from xterm
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22:00
<alkisg>
And when you go to whatever site that user flash, firefox crashes?
22:00
*uses
22:01
<Ghidorah>
flashplugin crashes
22:01
<alkisg>
Ah, how do you run the local firefox?
22:01
From xterm, that is?
22:01
<Ghidorah>
well, I've tried two ways
22:01
the ltsp-localapps-menu with firefox
22:01
and ltsp-localapps xterm
22:01
and then firefox
22:01
<alkisg>
Yeah the second one should have given you output, if any
22:02
<Ghidorah>
both ways the plugin crashes
22:02
firefox still operates
22:02
it is firefox5 I don't know if that matters
22:02
<alkisg>
Maybe. Did you try other firefox versions / or other browsers, like chromium?
22:03
<Ghidorah>
No sir. I will though.
22:03
interestingly enough 64bit flash works on the server
22:04
<alkisg>
Ah that's 64bit?
22:05
I thought canonical, mozilla, adobe etc voted against using 64 bit
22:07
<Ghidorah>
hrmm you probably know better than I.
22:07
I guess I'm only refereing to the amd64 package
22:09
<alkisg>
Anyway, time to go. bb all.
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<Ghidorah>
Good night
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