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Channel log from 7 June 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<klausade>
n #g
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03:47
<daya_>
does ltsp 4.2 or 4.1 fully supports sound and usb in debian etch,
03:47
?
03:48
<vagrantc>
hah
03:48
daya_: the server side will be no more easy with 4.x than with 5
03:48
<daya_>
vagrantc, now I am thinking to migrate to 4.1 or 4.2
03:49
<vagrantc>
you're going to have the same problems.
03:49
at least on the server side
03:49
<daya_>
vagrantc, hey ha haha ha
03:49
vagrantc, :)
03:49
<vagrantc>
the client side *might* work better.
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<vagrantc>
daya_: if you want something that works out of the box, edubuntu is your best bet at this point.
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03:51
<vagrantc>
daya_: or maybe debian-edu
03:53
<daya_>
vagrantc, actually we are going to deploy our distros as I told u earlier, along with ltsp, so at this time I can't go to the alternatives,
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<vagrantc>
daya_: sorry. i troubleshoot lots of problems and forget who does what
03:55
<daya_>
vagrantc, http://nepalinux.org,
03:55
<vagrantc>
daya_: in 3-4 days, i can prepare a backport of the newer ltsp for etch, and then you should be able to set it up sound the same way ubuntu does (pulseaudio + alsa)
03:56
<daya_>
vagrantc, hey great,
03:56
<vagrantc>
daya_: or, if the packages make it into sid, you can grab them from there.
03:56
<daya_>
vagrantc, In next week I am going to deploy ltsp in one of the remote villages,
03:57
vagrantc, one questions, do I need only separate packages, or whole ltsp , :D
03:57
<vagrantc>
ok. gotta go.
03:57
i'll be back later
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<kamalparyani>
hi
04:14
when i do sudo ltsp-build-client , can it pick the packages from the cdrom instead of downloading them
04:17
:)
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<ogra>
kamalparyani, mount the cdrom in /cdrom ... sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom (yes, three slashes :) )
04:43
<kamalparyani>
thanks
04:45
<ogra>
if files are missing and it stops, add an --extra-mirror option with an online mirror to pull the missing stuff from ... see ltsp-build-client --extra-help
04:47
<kamalparyani>
got this error W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
04:47
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
04:47
<ogra>
wipe the old cruft before running that comannd
04:48
umount /opt/ltsp/i386/proc && rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
04:50
<kamalparyani>
i did that
04:50
still the same error
04:50
Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
04:53
hi i tried the alternate install cd instead of the normal cd and it is working now
04:53
<lambda_>
ltsp-build-client return E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
04:53
for xserver-xorg-input-wacom
04:53
xserver-xorg-input-all
04:54
<ogra>
heh, right, sorry i could have told you that :)
04:54
the desktop CD has no packages but a livefs that gets installed
04:55
lambda_, if you scroll up to the download section in the output i bet you find a failed package download
04:55
<kamalparyani>
thanks
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<lambda_>
I try that== ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" --apt-key pkg-ltsp-keyring --late-packages ltspfsd
04:58
<ogra>
you could probably add a --mirror option and point to a local mirror near you
04:59
<lambda_>
the ltsp client build fail every time
05:00
<ogra>
might be a broken debian package then, i'm on ubuntu so i cant tell ...
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<lambda_>
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of xserver-xorg-input-all:
05:08
xserver-xorg-input-all depends on xserver-xorg-input-wacom; however:
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Package xserver-xorg-input-wacom is not configured yet.
05:09
:(
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07:13
<lambda_>
TFTP arp timeout
07:13
pfouu
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07:38
<jammcq>
g'morning kidz
07:40
<vagrantc>
heya
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07:56
<estong_>
after the ltsp build, i have these: Errors were encountered while processing:
07:56
xserver-xorg-input-wacom
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xserver-xorg-input-all
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<ogra>
vagrantc, seems there is something broken in debian with the wacom driver, thats not te first complaint today
07:56
<estong_>
i don't need wacom but i am not so sure on xserver-xorg-input-all
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07:58
<estong_>
hi ogra.
07:58
would it be ok to proceed to the next step -- configuration?
07:59
<ogra>
jammcq, i'm pretty sure i can get HW like the T1220 to ~40 secod boots (yes, after yur measuring method) with the suqashfs/nbd stuff i just built my first initramfs and its fast like hell
07:59
<jammcq>
ogra: ummm, you really like that nbd thing, eh?
08:00
<ogra>
well, we use it anyway, and it operates on a lower level in the kernel than a filesystem
08:00
yes, i love it :)
08:01
<jammcq>
lets just say that I'm skeptical, but watching with great interest
08:01
<ogra>
way more important is that we can get rid of all the bind mounting of tmpfses
08:01
<jammcq>
have you tried the e2300 yet?
08:01
<ogra>
through simply doing a union mount of the nbd device and a tmpfs
08:02
that will gain a lot since we dont have to ar up and move around directories like we do now
08:02
*tar
08:02
jammcq, yes but not measured
08:02
the 2300 is nothin to use with the current ldm
08:02
no matter what you have below
08:03
<jammcq>
my guess is that the e2300 won't handle the squashfs very well
08:03
<ogra>
oh, thats no prob
08:03
<jammcq>
but i'd love to be proven wrong on that
08:03
<ogra>
its also way faster
08:03
than nfs
08:03
but the ldm still takes a minute or so to show the login screen
08:03
i'm hoping for sbalenavs C wrapper here
08:03
<jammcq>
yeah, me too
08:04
I'm getting lots of questions about the speed
08:04
<ogra>
since the slowest part seems the wrapper
08:04
<jammcq>
people wanting to know if it's being fixed
08:04
<ogra>
with the C greeter its already 1/3 faster here
08:04
it will be fixed in gutsy
08:04
i cant promise for the e2300, but for real HW it will be
08:04
<jammcq>
but what do you think people should deploy today?
08:04
<ogra>
ltsp5 indeed
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<jammcq>
e2300 MUST be faster for gutsy, I'll have 1,000 of those units on June 18th
08:05
<ogra>
did you *ever* use it ?
08:05
it is not usable for me !
08:05
<jammcq>
people WILL NOT deploy ltsp-5 today, in it's current form
08:05
<ogra>
even on 4.2
08:05
<jammcq>
it works fine here
08:05
<ogra>
i can watch the cursor being redrawn on both ltsp's
08:06
nly if i force it to something like 1204x786 it gets roughly usable
08:06
<jammcq>
I used it quite a bit here on ltsp-4.2, with no problem
08:06
<ogra>
*1024
08:06
<jammcq>
well yeah, at 1024x768
08:06
that's the monitor I have
08:06
<ogra>
well
08:06
<jammcq>
well
08:07
<ogra>
you should have at least ordered the 300Mhz variant ... :/
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<jammcq>
they don't have a 300Mhz in that footprint
08:08
ph call, be back in a bit
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<ogra>
did i say that the shielding isnt usable in european environments as well ?
08:08
i got heavy diagonal stripes ... 50Hz ...
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on the display
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08:16
<estong_>
does "ltsp-build-client" create /tftpboot ?
08:16
<ogra>
o
08:16
no
08:16
thats from ltsp 4.2
08:16
<vagrantc>
estong_: is this on etch or lenny or sid ?
08:17
<estong_>
etch
08:17
<vagrantc>
hm.
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08:17
<vagrantc>
as far as i know, there's been no updates to etch that would affect it, and it's always "worked for me".
08:18
<estong_>
the wacom thing? or the ltsp5 install.
08:18
<vagrantc>
estong_: was this a wacom problem during an ltsp5 install?
08:18
<estong_>
i don't need the wacom, but yes, there was an installation error because of it.
08:19
<vagrantc>
right.
08:24
<estong_>
and so, the /tftpboot is now gone for ltsp5. The sample dhcpd.conf has /ltsp/i386 and this folder is not there yet in my filesystem.
08:25
when does this dir created?
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<vagrantc>
estong_: /var/lib/tftpboot/
08:26
estong_: but if any step in the ltsp-build-client fails, the install will not be functional.
08:27
well, most likely won't be functional.
08:27
estong_: so you need to fix that first.
08:27
<estong_>
i git errors on the wacom and the input-all.
08:27
i got
08:27
<vagrantc>
estong_: did you get any more specific information about why it fails?
08:27
estong_: you didn't run out of disk space or something?
08:28
<estong_>
Setting up xserver-xorg-input-wacom (0.7.4.1-5) ...
08:28
ln: creating symbolic link `/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules' to `../xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules': File exists
08:28
dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg-input-wacom (--configure):
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subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
08:28
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of xserver-xorg-input-all:
08:28
xserver-xorg-input-all depends on xserver-xorg-input-wacom; however:
08:28
Package xserver-xorg-input-wacom is not configured yet.
08:28
dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg-input-all (--configure):
08:28
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
08:28
<vagrantc>
!pastebot
08:28
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:28
<vagrantc>
estong_: please use the pastebot in the future
08:28
<estong_>
ops!
08:28
sori
08:29
i hope u can get something from that.
08:29
<vagrantc>
estong_: did you re-install over an existing install?
08:30
ogra: we should have never removed the "error out if directory exists" code.
08:30
<estong_>
i retried the ltsp build about 3 times because of disconnection to the ltsp server.
08:30
<vagrantc>
ogra: since it's in a plugin, it's easy to work around for those who know what they're doing.
08:31
estong_: ok, so ... mv /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/i386.old
08:31
estong_: and start over.
08:31
<estong_>
will i have to go through that long download process again?
08:31
<ogra>
vagrantc, its in feisty ...
08:32
and i kept the warning in edgy iirc
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<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah, i know.
08:32
ogra: otavio wanted to remove it... and i didn't scream loud enough
08:32
estong_: yes.
08:33
estong_: if you keep getting timeouts, you might want to try a different mirror
08:33
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, it will be in sid again
08:34
<vagrantc>
ogra: yes.
08:34
someday ...
08:34* vagrantc waits impatiently
08:34
<estong_>
looks like the 2 errors are fatal enough to warrant another 1 hour of downloading. :(
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<lambda_>
hi
08:35
<estong_>
but what can i do, i am just a mere mortal.
08:35
<vagrantc>
estong_: ok ... give me a second. i know how to work around the problem.
08:36
estong_: ok ... so cd /opt/ltsp/i386
08:36
estong_: as root
08:36
<estong_>
done
08:36
<vagrantc>
estong_: and be absolutely sure you in /opt/ltsp/i386
08:37
<estong_>
yup.
08:37
<vagrantc>
estong_: and quadrupal-triple check that you're in /opt/ltsp/i386
08:37
<lambda_>
I am a little worry
08:37
<estong_>
he he he
08:37
<vagrantc>
estong_: rm -rf [b-u]* var/[bl-t]* var/cache/[dlf]* var/cache/apt/*.bin
08:37
<jammcq>
be afraid, be very afraid
08:37
<lambda_>
I don't understand shared-network THINCLIENTS { ...... declaration
08:37
<estong_>
so that's why.
08:37
i hit enter and i closed my eyes
08:37
done
08:38
<vagrantc>
estong_: then you can try again and most of the packages will already be downloaded, but nothing is installed
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<estong_>
oh!
08:38
<lambda_>
it assume there's a 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 network
08:38
<estong_>
ltsp-build-client
08:38
right?
08:38
<lambda_>
in my dhcpd.conf
08:38
<vagrantc>
estong_: unless your downloads are corrupt
08:38
estong_: yes
08:38
<estong_>
ok. tnx
08:38
<jammcq>
vagrantc: won't ltsp-build-client refuse to run if there's already a /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
08:38
<vagrantc>
jammcq: not in etch.
08:39
<jammcq>
oooh, good to know
08:39
<lambda_>
there's NOT such physical network on my server
08:39
<rjune>
howdy jim
08:39
<jammcq>
rjune: hey
08:39
lambda_: what distro are you running?
08:39
<vagrantc>
jammcq: when the next upload hits sid, it will, though.
08:39
<lambda_>
debian etch
08:39
<rjune>
got an lbe question if you have a few
08:39
<lambda_>
just eth1 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:17:31:63:26:6A
08:39
inet adr:192.168.2.27 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Masque:255.255.255.0
08:39
<jammcq>
lambda_: where did you get that dhcpd.conf file from?
08:39
rjune: shoot
08:39
<vagrantc>
lambda_: is it debian-edu, or just plain etch ?
08:40
<lambda_>
debian-edu
08:40
<rjune>
in theory, I should be able to update glibc and gcc in lbe-src without too much trouble, yes?
08:40
<lambda_>
other hardware ethernet device: eth0 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:2E:AB:84:E1
08:40
inet adr:10.0.2.2 Bcast:10.0.3.255 Masque:255.255.254.0
08:40
<vagrantc>
lambda_: have you asked in the debian-edu channel ? they have very specific networking setup.
08:40
<jammcq>
rjune: ummm, that's a tall order. glibc and gcc are VERY fussy
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<rjune>
That's what I wanted to check. would it be better to start at crosscomp-src and update there then cascade down? or ltsp-src and build back?
08:41
<jammcq>
umm, yes
08:41
you'll prolly have to try both ways
08:42
<superkaybee>
does anyone know why a diskless terminal might come up as root's desktop when logging in as a regular user? (ie: :0 on ltsp server)
08:46
<ogra>
woah
08:47
with the /cow tmpfs its even 1/3 faster
08:47
<vagrantc>
ogra: how much memory does the /cow eat up once it's booted?
08:48
<ogra>
as much as is needed for writeable files
08:48
<jammcq>
ogra: keep it up, and someday, it might even be almost as fast as ltsp-4.2 :)
08:48
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, i know that :P
08:48
<ogra>
i.e. exactly the amount we used with the tar and gzip methids for bind mounts
08:49
but its a lot faster due to the in kernel decompression vs tar and gzip for the rw files/dirs
08:49
<vagrantc>
ogra: are you saying that because it's theoretically what it will take, or have you actually looked at how much it uses? :P
08:49
<ogra>
jammcq, i think i can pass 4.2 with scotties ldm
08:49
<jammcq>
that'll be cool
08:50
<ogra>
vagrantc, i'm still playing around give me some toying time before i come up with something :)
08:50
<vagrantc>
ogra: i'm just curious if more stuff gets cached into ram and such
08:50
unexpected things
08:50
<ogra>
strangely it doesnt accep my password
08:50
so something i still wrong
08:50
<vagrantc>
that's what happened when i used translucencyfs with lessdisks years ago ...
08:51
<ogra>
my rootpw for the chroot i mean
08:51
<vagrantc>
more stuff got pulled into ram that didn't happen when the entire filesystem was read-write
08:51
er, read-only
08:51
<ogra>
i dont think ram is an issue
08:51
the only issues i saw were compression related
08:51
but apparently the squashfs stuff is way faster here
08:52
<vagrantc>
did you try nbd without squashfs ?
08:52* ogra switches to XDMCP and goes to try the e2300
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<ogra>
the annoing part is to run mksqashfs after making changes :/
08:54
vagrantc, not yet
08:55
i'll try all variants my fanatsy can come up with in all combos i can imagine :)
08:55
<vagrantc>
estong_: you might also want to run ltsp-build-client with --keep-packages
08:55
<ogra>
the t1220 is surely below a minute even with the old ldm now
08:55
<estong_>
but the process has started already.
08:56
i am on retrieving libc6 now. :)
08:56
<vagrantc>
estong_: oh well. hopefully it'll just work this time.
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<estong_>
we can learn from this.
08:56
i'm sure of that.
08:57* ogra laughs about nbd-client saying "que ?" if the server dies
08:58
<ogra>
vagrantc, the whole thig uses 54M with running X
08:58
thats similar to the old variant
08:58* vagrantc still wonders how big the /cow is
08:59
<rjune>
ogra: does ubuntu include any sort of groupware software?
08:59
something ala phpgroupware, or citadel, etc?
08:59
<ogra>
rjune, well, there is a lot stuff in universe
08:59
ie.e kolab, phpgroupware, hula etc etc
08:59
<rjune>
kolab? interesting
08:59
<ogra>
but i dont think we have something in main
09:00
<rjune>
I'm wanting to setup a primary LDAP datastore for user/group information, then have everything auth to it.
09:00
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, i could tell you if i handt forgotten to move mount /cow in initramfs, i can only see the unionfs :)
09:01
the general used tmpfs is 46M
09:01
<vagrantc>
ogra: you can't even see the raw mount? crazy.
09:01
<ogra>
no if it was mounted in initramfs
09:02
df complains that it cant find /cow
09:02* ogra fixes the initramfs
09:03
<estong_>
btw, what's the minimum client config to run openoffice writer comfortably?
09:03
<rjune>
1. a metric boatload of ram
09:04
2. a P3-1Ghz
09:04
<estong_>
how about 128MB?
09:04
<ogra>
the client only needs to run X and the login
09:04
be concerned about server RAM ;)
09:04
<rjune>
I don't think that qualifies. OO.o really likes the ram, I would say 256MB or more for a single user.
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<rjune>
doh! ogra is right of course, I forgot this was #ltsp
09:05
<estong_>
yes
09:05
so what's the minimum for X then.
09:05
<vagrantc>
estong_: 64-128 should be plenty
09:05
<estong_>
wow!
09:06
<wols_>
hi. got a question where I don't even know ltsp is the right answer. but I ask it here anyways:
09:06
<estong_>
and the video card?
09:06
<vagrantc>
estong_: on the clients
09:06
<estong_>
yes
09:06
<vagrantc>
estong_: 4-8MB of video ram should be plenty
09:06
for most purposes
09:06
<wols_>
I have a PC with 2 monitors (single videocard), 2 keyboards, 2 mice. is LTSP the leanest way to make two people wrok at that PC?
09:06
<estong_>
finally the processor?
09:06
<vagrantc>
!serversize
09:06
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
09:06
<vagrantc>
estong_: check that out
09:07
<rjune>
Once upon a time there was a php script
09:08
wols_: nope
09:08
ltsp isn't appropriate at all
09:08
<estong_>
am just wondering if a 233MHz client could do openoffice.
09:08
<vagrantc>
estong_: depends on the server more than the client
09:08
<ogra>
estong_, as i said, worry about the server
09:08
the client only displays :)
09:09
<wols_>
rjune: can you tell me what is then please?
09:09
<estong_>
wud this be the case still if i have a 486 machine for a client?
09:09
<vagrantc>
estong_: though 233MHz is a little on the slow side.
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09:09
<rjune>
wols_: I wish I could remember the name of it. LTSP makes terminals out of systems, you want to share a single system with two local consoles
09:10
<ogra>
400 upwards should be fine
09:10
<vagrantc>
estong_: you'd probably need to run the sessions unencrypted for machines that slow.
09:10* vagrantc kicks an e2300
09:10
<rjune>
ogra: but RAM on the client is important for the number of windows being displayed
09:10
<estong_>
ok. i'll remember all that.
09:10
<ogra>
rjune, indeed
09:10
<wols_>
rjune: yes that
09:10* rjune is installing ubuntu-server now.
09:11
<wols_>
rjune: yes that's it
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09:12
<ogra>
vagrantc, /cow has 2.6M
09:12
<petre>
morning all
09:13
<ogra>
s/has/uses
09:13
<vagrantc>
ogra: that seems considerably more than before.
09:13
<ogra>
and 43M available from the tmpfs
09:13
<vagrantc>
ogra: like, usually, it's only 80k or so
09:13
<ogra>
yeah
09:13
<vagrantc>
with the tmpfs+bind mounts
09:13
so i was *right* !
09:13
<ogra>
syslog created a bunch of files
09:13* vagrantc sticks out tounge
09:14
<ogra>
how did you measure the size before ?
09:14
<vagrantc>
du -smc /var/lib/ltsp-client-setup
09:14
<ogra>
we never had a central point like /cow
09:14
<vagrantc>
or something like that
09:14
<ogra>
ah, indeed we had one
09:14
<vagrantc>
the bind mouts just make it look like lots
09:14
<ogra>
even though thats only the tarred up stuff
09:14
<vagrantc>
but it's really one filesystem
09:14
<ogra>
not the directly created tmpfs thigs
09:15
<vagrantc>
it's everything
09:15
<ogra>
but that might be 10k or so
09:15
nope there are sone files that get created iirc
09:15
<vagrantc>
well, i think the /var/run /var/lock stuff is separate, since that's handled by something else
09:15
<ogra>
right
09:16
<estong_>
vagrantc, the rm trick did not do it. It's re-downloading the whole thing again. May http.us.debian.org forgive us. :)
09:16
<ogra>
hmm
09:16
it copies stuff from /lib
09:16* ogra looks what that is
09:16
<vagrantc>
estong_: well, maybe the files weren't there, or were corrupted. in which case it would download them again.
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09:16
<vagrantc>
ogra: /lib/modules ?
09:17
<ogra>
vagrantc, 2.4M are modules
09:17
yeah
09:17
<vagrantc>
hah!
09:17* vagrantc has been through this before
09:17
<vagrantc>
it's like a hazy dream come to life
09:17
<ogra>
gah, its the set of initramfs mods
09:17
all NIC drivers
09:18
well, actually its all modules that are loaded
09:18
makes sense
09:18
<vagrantc>
how's that ?
09:19
<ogra>
well, likely copied over from initramfs
09:19
i dont really mind
09:19
at least atm
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09:20
<ogra>
thats another area where we can speed up later if we want
09:20
the output of the mount command alone is worth to change the implementation :P
09:21
it fits on *one* screen
09:22
<vagrantc>
heh
09:23
<ogra>
man we should really drop syslog
09:23
why is it in the chroot at all ?
09:23
<vagrantc>
to enable remote syslogging ?
09:24
<ogra>
hmm, the e2300 doesnt start X now :/
09:24
vagrantc, doesnt logger suffice for that ?
09:24
<vagrantc>
ogra: never tried
09:24
<ogra>
i dont see a reason why tons of files get created o boot in /var/log
09:24
<vagrantc>
what's in /etc/syslog.conf ?
09:24
<ogra>
on the e2300 its a significant slowdow
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09:25
<ogra>
oh, crap the defaults
09:25
indeed, thast a mess
09:25
<vagrantc>
it's probably just some stupid bug from the changes i did to syslog handling
09:26* ogra makes note to wipe that file from ltsp-build-client and replace it with something empty
09:26
<vagrantc>
maybe a bunk merge
09:26
<ogra>
well, it just needs to be empty and get filled fom ltsp-client-setup
09:26
<vagrantc>
if [ -z "$SYSLOG" ] || [ "$SYSLOG" = "remote" ]; then
09:27
you set SYSLOG=server
09:27
<ogra>
yes
09:27
oh
09:27
when did you add that ?
09:27* ogra fixes
09:27
<vagrantc>
probably the last merge
09:27
ogra: how are you fixing it?
09:28
<ogra>
changing server to remote
09:28
<vagrantc>
i discussed it on the list
09:28
<ogra>
i should probably just drp it
09:28
from the default filr
09:28
file
09:28
<vagrantc>
that's what i'd do.
09:29
<ogra>
yeah
09:29
sigh
09:29* ogra watches mksquashfs
09:30* vagrantc gets ready to head to a country where vagrantc doesn't understand the language at all
09:31* vagrantc prepares a few "bon jour"s and "merci boucoup"s
09:31
<ogra>
lol
09:32
nowadays they speak a bt eglish at least, thanks to the internet
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<vagrantc>
internet?
09:32* ogra remembers when he was there 85 ...
09:32
<ogra>
nobody spoke english
09:36
jammcq, 63sec for the e2300 to console prompt, 110sec to X with XDMCP
09:36
does that sound good for you ?
09:37* ogra wonders if jammcq fell off his chair
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09:44
<estong_>
some install warnings/errors:
09:44
Setting up xfonts-100dpi (1.0.0-3) ...
09:44
warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi does not exist or is not a directory
09:44
<ogra>
thats fine
09:44
i just says that i didnt exist before
09:44
<estong_>
i c
09:45
<ogra>
you can ignore all the warnings ... there are surely some more
09:45
as long as they are not errors all is fine ;)
09:45
<estong_>
there are a number of those -- all font related.
09:45
ok. how about this one:
09:45
Setting up ttf-dejavu (2.15-1) ...
09:45
Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
09:46
<ogra>
fine as well
09:47
<estong_>
ok. that seems to be the only error. the rest are warnings.
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<estong_>
looks like vagrantc fixed that wacom issue.
09:48
finally!
09:48
info: LTSP client installation completed successfully
09:49
<jammcq>
ogra: see, now you are getting somewhere
09:49
<ogra>
:)
09:49
jammcq, no, you
09:49
<jammcq>
ogra: you da man
09:49
<ogra>
*i* dont care about the e2300 .... i dont stave if i cant sell it :P
09:49
<jammcq>
you'll care, when people start saying nasty things about your favorite distro
09:49
<ogra>
with scotties ldm it should be around 2min boots
09:50
right, indeed, i wasnt serious ;)
09:50
<jammcq>
:)
09:50
I know, you care
09:50
<petre>
"stave"?
09:50
<ogra>
i'm not sure yet we want that squashfs thing though
09:50
<jammcq>
oh?
09:50
<ogra>
*starve indeed
09:50
<jammcq>
finding some badness ?
09:50
<ogra>
no
09:50
<petre>
ah
09:51
<ogra>
but you need to run mksquashfs afetr every change
09:51
it squashes up the chroot which takes about 3-5min
09:51
that even applies to lts.conf changes
09:51
<jammcq>
ogra: I don't really consider that a problem
09:51
once setup, people don't make that many changes
09:51
<ogra>
well, more documentation
09:52
and ltsp-manager wouldnt work with it
09:52
well, it would ... hmm
09:52
i could leave the chroot around and store te image inside it ...
09:52
and ave a script that automatically generates the squashfs
09:53
so after chrooting for changes that happens automatically
09:53
hmm, that could work
09:54
jammcq, i don think thats for gutsy as a default, but for gutsy+1 ... for gutsy i'd say lets keep it as --experimental option for ltsp-build-client so we get more testing
09:54
<jammcq>
see... you've talked yourself into it working :)
09:55
<ogra>
its a very big change and i'd like to find all drawbacks before such an intrusive change is made
09:55
cool is that you dont need nfs ...
09:55
neither root-path :)
09:56
and we could even have the squashfs encrypted easily for the paranoid people :)
09:56
jammcq, another thing is was thinking about is a ramfs mode for nbdswapd ...
09:57
<jammcq>
what does that mean?
09:57
<ogra>
that way we could actually use the swap instead f having it only as a parachute
09:57
well, create the swapfiles in a tmpfs on the server
09:57
you will still have network latency but swapping might actually become usable
09:57* jammcq wonders why you'd want to take precious ram away from the server
09:58
<ogra>
well, indeed it would be optional
09:58
but if we use nbd from initramfs anyway, we could already swap from there
09:58
you could run 16M clients ;)
09:58
<jammcq>
i'd love to see a test where you prove whether it's any better. I'd say let Linux caching deal with the swapfiles coming from disk or ram
09:59
the bottleneck isn't gonna be reading the swapfiles from disk. it'll be transfering over the network
09:59
<ogra>
thats soethig for another day ... today is my / fixing day ;)
09:59
yeah, that might be
09:59
i didnt measure yet
09:59
<jammcq>
ph call, bbiab
09:59
<ogra>
and to be hinest i dodnt think i ever managed to get one of my clients to swap :P
10:00
*honest
10:00
<estong_>
is it ok to use 172.29.0.0 instead of 192.168.0.0 for my subnet?
10:02
<ogra>
sure
10:02
<estong_>
is this recommended --> deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main
10:02
<ogra>
just make sure to change t everywhere
10:02
no idea, vagrant would know ...
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10:02
<ogra>
i can only recommend ubuntu stuff :)
10:02
<estong_>
i won't upgrade for now then.
10:03
<puetz>
hi. I want to start firefox as a local app on the client in 4.2. Does anybody know of a recent built of e.g. firefox 2.x? I tried to set up lbe but that didn't work
10:05
I cvs checked out head and LTSP-4_2_update_2, both bail out "16:41:00 Building: glibc *** Unable to configure glibc: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
10:05
<estong_>
i'm done with the configs. is there an ssh way of checking that everything is well? am not in the computer lab right now and nobody is in there at the moment.
10:05
<puetz>
this is an athlon64 with 32bit libs, I researched _a_lot_ but I can't find the error. host gcc is 3.3
10:06
system is ubuntu feisty. I *think* I installed all the devel stuff
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<estong_>
thanks ogra. i hope i won't be back tomorrow. :)
10:10
<puetz>
the error that glibc threw was "error: cannot compute sizeof (unsigned long), 77". I googled that, there it seemed that 64bit/32bit issues were to blame but all I looked at was using 32 bit only
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<kchiefs>
i have a question for anyone
10:41
we have purchased the 1220PXE term from diskless and it will not load the image at all...it just slowing goes through and errors..the older terms work fine..anyone know of this problem?
10:41
it is SLAX 11 with LTSP 4.2
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10:42
<kchiefs>
anybody?
10:43
<yopla>
what are errors?
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<kchiefs>
yopla it goes through to "trying to load pxelinux.conf/default" and sits there for about 10 mins then just says can't load image and goes to boot: in the prompt
10:53
<yopla>
if you have the correct vmlinuz and initrd in the default file then it should be a pxelinux compatibility problem
10:54
in the tftpboot tree
10:56
What is your tftp server?
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11:02
<yopla>
here is my question : Can we use rdesktop in ltsp5?
11:04
<cyberorg>
yopla: yes
11:06
<yopla>
I hven't found lts parameter
11:06
is it still in lts.conf?
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<kchiefs>
yopla: you want to know what tftpd i use?
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<cyberorg>
yopla: i am not sure how it is used, try manually launching it once client logs in
11:17
<kchiefs>
yopla: in.tftpd
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11:19
<yopla>
cyberorg: OK. But I need some more stuff on ltsp server.
11:21
<ogra>
jammcq, i'm running a T1220 without swap and with mem=32M ... free shows 28M total ram :) isnt squashfs great ?
11:21
(XDMCP indeed)
11:22
<Gadi>
ogra: is that over nbd?
11:22
<ogra>
yep
11:23
<Gadi>
do you know how well that scales?
11:23
<ogra>
unionfs with tmpfs/squashfs over nbd
11:23
better than nfs i think
11:23
the squashfs image you mount is only 120M
11:23
vs the nfsroot which is 400M
11:23
<Gadi>
really? I had considered it at one point for a project, but was concerned about the 'here be dragons' warning on their webpage
11:24
<ogra>
the in-kernel compression is a lot faster than the bind mount function using tar and gzip we had for the RW stuff
11:24
<Gadi>
how fast does your image boot?
11:24
<ogra>
Gadi, te e2300 that boots 4 min or so in feisty is up in less than two with it
11:25
<Gadi>
nice
11:25
thats pretty incredible
11:25
<ogra>
(both XDMCP values, ldm isnt bearable in its current state on that thing)
11:25
<Gadi>
right
11:25
<ogra>
i'm counting on sbalneav for the ldm stuff
11:25
<Gadi>
but even with all of the dpkg stuff?
11:25
wow
11:25
<ogra>
gah, indeed after login the mouse freezes without swap
11:26
(on the 32M thing here)
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<Gadi>
it onlyu has 32M ram?
11:26
<yopla>
cyberorg: my client runs ldm. my server has no dm. What does the client display with no lts.conf?
11:26
<ogra>
but its quite impressive that it comes up with 28M
11:26* Gadi didnt know you could buy anything like that anymore
11:26
<ogra>
well, i set mem=32M in the pxe config
11:26
<rjune>
Gadi: !
11:26
<Gadi>
cyberorg: it run /etc/X11/Xsession
11:26
<ogra>
that way the kernel only sees 32
11:27
<Gadi>
rjune!!
11:27
<cyberorg>
yopla: what Gadi ^^ said :)
11:27
<yopla>
lol
11:27
<Gadi>
oops, sorry
11:27
:)
11:27
<cyberorg>
yopla: ldm doesnt need DM on server
11:27
<Gadi>
ogra: is there a limit to the number of nbd connections?
11:28
<ogra>
Gadi, i dont think so, but there is a default set
11:28
<petre>
Gadi: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:28
<ogra>
even though
11:28
<Gadi>
what is the default?
11:28
<kchiefs>
anyone use the 1220 term from disklessworkstations on their ltsp network?
11:28
<ogra>
irt seems to depend how you start the nbd server
11:28
i would start it fron an ltsp-server initscript so we're free to use what we want ;)
11:29
<Gadi>
ogra: I guess one down side is updating the chroot while clients are on
11:29
<ogra>
hmm, actually there is no default config
11:29
yeah
11:29
<Gadi>
petre: sent you an email
11:29
<ogra>
well, that will also depend on how nbd-server handles HUP
11:29
<yopla>
cyberorg: what do I need to connect then? my session is rejected
11:30* petre goes to read email
11:30
<ogra>
if its proper it will just serve the refreshed file after a HUP signal
11:30
<Gadi>
that would be cool
11:30
<ogra>
if not i'd consider it a bug
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<cyberorg>
yopla: you want to use rdesktop instead of ldm?
11:30
<rjune>
how goes it Gadi?
11:31
<ogra>
the annoyig part is the time mksquashfs takes after you changed something
11:31
<Gadi>
rjune: busy busy
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<Gadi>
ogra: heh, yeah
11:31
<ogra>
even lts.conf changes need a rebuild
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<Gadi>
well, there's a good reason to make lts.conf downloadable ;)
11:31
<yopla>
cyberorg: I just want to open a session with my first working lts5 client
11:32
<kchiefs>
anyone here running ltsp on slax?
11:32
<cyberorg>
you want to login to the client's desktop from another machine?
11:33
<Gadi>
yopla: what distro?
11:33
<yopla>
gadi: my server distro is debian sid. My client tree is feisty
11:33
<ogra>
Gadi, well, if we would have ldap by default that would be trivial
11:33
<Gadi>
yopla: apt-get install ltspfs
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11:34
<Gadi>
on the server
11:34
ogra: trivial in some ways, yes
11:35
ogra: I still vote for tftp
11:35
its easy and we get it for free
11:35
<ogra>
right
11:35
<Gadi>
and can easily be used even in the initramfs
11:36
<ogra>
well in the initramfs we have / :)
11:36
we can read it from the filesystem
11:36
<Gadi>
only if we keep it in the filesystem
11:36
<yopla>
gadi: can't acces /dev/fuse
11:37
dpkg-reconfigure problem
11:37
<ogra>
are yu in the fuse group ?
11:37
<yopla>
I'm root
11:37
<Gadi>
yopla: you mean after installing ltspfs?
11:37
<ogra>
udev is responsible for /dev/fuse ...
11:38
<Gadi>
ls /dev/fuse
11:38
if it does not exist, modprobe fuse
11:38
<ogra>
debian has a very weird post installation script in the fuse package tough ...
11:38
<Gadi>
then, reinstall ltspfs
11:38
<ogra>
i dropped that for ubuntu and made something saner
11:38
<yopla>
lsmod : fuse 49072 0
11:38
<ogra>
in debian you also need to add it to /etc/modules iirc
11:39
else it wont persist on reboot
11:39
<yopla>
but still can't have /dev/fuse
11:39
<ogra>
weird
11:39
<yopla>
amd64 problem?
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<yopla>
my test server is a xen3.1 pv machine....
11:40
<ogra>
look in /etc/udev/rules.d/
11:41
there should be a rules file for fuse
11:41
that usually creates the device automatically if the module gets loaded
11:46
<yopla>
orga: lol udev wasn't installed
11:48
now i have ltspfs
11:49
what next?
11:49
<ogra>
jammcq, WOW !
11:49
jammcq, nbd swap with swapfiles in tmpfs is really great
11:50
i have a tmpfs based swapfile on a 32M boot ... firefow with 20 tabs and differnt huge sites, gimp, f-spot and rhythmbox running ...
11:50
18M of the swapspace are used
11:50
<jammcq>
ogra: and you are saying it's better than using nbd swap to a file?
11:50
<ogra>
i dont see any slowdown in usage ... no mouse blocking or any weird stuff
11:50
yes, a lot
11:51* jammcq believes more testing is in order
11:51
<ogra>
i can actually work even half of the swap s used
11:51
its really snappy
11:51
<jammcq>
cuz it contradicts what I would consider "common sense". anyway, cool, and I'm anxious to see it in action
11:51
but first..... lunch time
11:51
<ogra>
:)
11:52
btw i added the swap stuff to initramfs, else it wouldnt boot with 32M :)
11:56
<Gadi>
ogra: I'd be interested in seeing that patch, if you have it
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<Gadi>
is it *cough* in bzr?
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12:04
<ogra>
Gadi, nah its not something to unleash to the world yet ... i'm just playing around
12:05
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24608/
12:06
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24610/
12:06
and then you need to add squashfs and unionfs to auto_add_modules' base list in /opt/ltsp/$ROOT/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions
12:07
rebuild the initramfs, run ltsp-updae-kernels and boot a client
12:07
<Gadi>
or add it to the modules file
12:07
<ogra>
note that the speedups will rather come through the stuff we can drop through this :)
12:08
i.e. disable anything related to bind_mounts in ltsp-client-setup
12:08
<Gadi>
indeed
12:08
<ogra>
also note that i'm already on gutsy
12:08
<Gadi>
well, aren't *you* gutsy ;)
12:08
<ogra>
its significantly faster since i dont have X detection anymore
12:09
and the kernel "feels" snappier
12:09
<Gadi>
ah, that is faster
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12:16
<rjune>
Gadi: you using ubuntu too?
12:19
<kchiefs>
i am having problems getting the image with 2 terminals. a third works fine..the only difference is one is using realtek ethernet and it works the other 2 are using intel and they don't work. anyone heard of this?
12:20
my specs are Slackware 11.0 and ltsp 4.2
12:21
<Gadi>
rjune: I've been known to ubuntu
12:22
<kchiefs>
correction...the other 2 are using VIA not intel
12:24
<ogra>
hmm
12:25
<kchiefs>
maybe i should just try to make ltsp5 work with slack
12:25
it is a weird problem that I have not run into on any other distro
12:26
<ogra>
Gadi, if /cow wouldnt be on a tmpfs but a local disk we could have fat clients with that ... only the delta to the readonly fs will be stored locally
12:26
<Gadi>
yuck
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<ogra>
oooh that opens so many opportunities :)
12:28
so sad that the work for migrqating from one implementation to another would make more work than actuallz implementing it
12:29
gah, i hate broken kezmaps
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<lambda_>
pfou
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Jun 7 20:29:24 tjener atftpd[16939]: Serving ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 to 10.0.2.2:32984
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tjener atftpd[16939]: recvmsg: Connection refused
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tjener atftpd[16939]: tftpd_file.c: 926: recvfrom: Connection refused
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my atftpd server seems quite bugged :( :(
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<sepski>
lambda_, have you tampered with hosts.allow or hosts.deny ?
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<lambda_>
I have checked these files
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/etc/hosts.deny don't own any restriction
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hosts.allow has in.tftpd: 10.0.2.200 (the diskless workstation)line
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<klausade>
lambda_: how much of the config files on tjener have you changed?
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<lambda_>
I don't renember
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remember
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<lambda_>
klausade, can you set me on the solving way PLEASE :)
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<gloin>
hi all
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<klausade>
lambda_: it's suposed to work out-of-the-box, and it does so on all my tens of servers. if you don't know which files you have changed, we can't easily help you.
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<lambda_>
I have edited /Etc/hosts.allow dhcp.conf
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<gloin>
been a while, anyhow, new network, new setup. Ubuntu server, using ltsp-server (not -standalone), our network has a win2k server for dhcp. I've set 066 boot server host name to the ip of the ltsp server, but pxe booting doesn't work. Says 'tftp timeout'
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lsof -i shows tftp listening over UDP on the server
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<klausade>
lambda_: can you start all over? And join us on debian-edu?
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<gloin>
(also set 067 bootfile name)
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and root path
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<klausade>
gloin: there is an excelent guid on how to use windows dhcp-server for this at http://diet-pc.sourceforge.net/windows/etherboot-w2k.html
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gloin: I actually used it with success last week.
14:04* gloin checks it out
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<klausade>
gloin: one thing that gave me a few minutes of grief was that I forgott about /etc/exports
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<gloin>
heh
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got that
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hmm
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a lot more options required than I thought
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<klausade>
gloin: I got away with option 17,66 and 67
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<gloin>
doesn't much help that the reservation options window has a dinky little pane that only shows 1.5 list options
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klausade: see, that's the thing - I have all those options correctly set
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"PXE-E32: TFTP Open timeout" on the client
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<klausade>
gloin: are you realy sure that the pxe-stuff in the nic does work? Older cards , afaik 0.99 pxe version does not always work.
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<gloin>
it says intel pxe-2.1
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build 082 though...
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<klausade>
gloin: so, the nic should work.
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gloin: what about syslog on the server?
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<gloin>
nothing showing up there
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<gloin>
well, I can't help but think the client isn't getting to the server
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but I have no friggin idea why
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<bill_c>
hud and wireshark can help shed some light on that
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hub even
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<gloin>
ergh
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a hub, huh?
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I'd have to buy one
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two actually, and have someone a couple hundred miles from me where the server is do the same thing
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shouldn't tftp be listening on TCP as well as UDP?
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<bill_c>
can't sniff out traffic on a switch, unless the sniffer is running on one of the boxes the traffic is destined for
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<gloin>
aye
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<PMantis>
jammcq: Ping
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<gloin>
hmm, interesting
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it's the tftp server
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can't get anything from it
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trying to do stuff manually and it times out
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damn
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something's truly hosed with the tftp server afaik
15:06* gloin wonders if ubuntu has atftp in universe or somewhere
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<gloin>
argh
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<cliebow>
ogra:now you have Gadi saying "Indeed!"
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<gloin>
hmm
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how, in muecow, can I disable X11 on the clients? There's no lts.conf anymore...
18:14* gloin has an ubuntu box working now, but doesn't need/want X11 on the terminals
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<moquist>
gloin: you can create an lts.conf
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<gloin>
moquist: oh? Might be worth doing that ;) After I reinstall ltsp :|
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<moquist>
oy!
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good luck. :)
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<gloin>
ubuntu makes it easy enough
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rm -rf /opt/ltsp and run ltsp-build-client
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times have certainly changed
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<whiprush>
moquist: holy crap my email reply was way longer than I expected.
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<cliebow>
heh
19:11* moquist prepares to be shocked and amazed at the length of whiprush's...email reply.
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<sahil>
there are both sis drm and sis video kernel modules both have the name sis how would i specificy which to use?
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can i give the path in the MODULES_0# parameter?
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<estong_>
am getting an nfs-premount, mount failed error on the client. The server syslog shows DHCP DISCOVER/OFFER/REQUEST/PACK in quick succession when the client boots.
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client fails to complete the boot process.