IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 17 January 2016   (all times are UTC)

00:13
<Hyperbyte>
Hec-Thor_, nah, it's irrelevant in this case.
00:14
<Hec-Thor_>
well, you said i needed a graphical session
00:14
how can i google that in a way that it gives me some doc?
00:14
not sure what a graphical sesion means
00:15
a DE?
00:15
<Hyperbyte>
Nah
00:15
X needs to be started
00:16
It's what happens automatically when you run it in SCREEN_07=xfreerdp
00:16
And it doesn't happen in SCREEN_02=xterm, which is why you get the error.
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00:21
<Hec-Thor_>
well am i lucky or what
00:21
:p
00:21
<Hyperbyte>
--no auth is not an option
00:21
It's --no-auth
00:21
<Hec-Thor_>
yes, fixed
00:21
<Hyperbyte>
Doesn't help?
00:22
You are making these changes in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf right?
00:22
Because the /etc/lts.conf file shouldn't be used on Ubuntu. You mention it earlier.
00:23
<Hec-Thor_>
of course, changes made, /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
00:24
i don't get why it doesnt start X
00:24
<Hyperbyte>
It does start X
00:24
You're seeing a blank window and a cursor.
00:24
That's graphical, so X is started.
00:25
X = graphical interface for Linux.
00:25
Simply put.
00:26
<Hec-Thor_>
yes, but why does it says xf_pre connect: failed to open display?
00:26
Please check that the $DISPLAY environment variable is properly set. freerdp_pre_connect failed
00:27
<Hyperbyte>
That's only what it says in the terminal right?
00:27
Not in screen_07
00:27
<Hec-Thor_>
yep, in the terminal
00:28
<Hyperbyte>
Right, so, the terminal is non-graphical
00:28
And screen_07 is where X is started, that is graphical.
00:28
<Hec-Thor_>
oh i see your point
00:28
<Hyperbyte>
So xfreerdp cannot be started in the terminal, which is why you're starting it in screen_07
00:28
<Hec-Thor_>
duh
00:28
<Hyperbyte>
The error you're getting is normal behaviour. Expected.
00:28
<Hec-Thor_>
silly me
00:29
<Hyperbyte>
It's not silly, you're new to Linux... have to learn all this stuff at some point...
00:29
I've been there.
00:29
<Hec-Thor_>
how many years have you been a linux user?
00:30
btw, doesn't xfreerdp has a syslog or something?
00:31
<Hyperbyte>
Since 2001.
00:31
But I mostly use Linux for servers, I'm terrible with graphical things.
00:31
As you might have noticed. :-)
00:34
I think the problem you're facing is with xfreerdp somehow. Did you try a Google search for xfreerdp blank screen? I get some interesting results.
00:35
And there might actually be something useful saved in /var/log/ somewhere
00:38
<Hec-Thor_>
well what i read was that if screen was black meant conection failed, that's why i wanted to see what the shell output was, and then i had that great idea of using screen_02
00:38
lol
00:38
<Hyperbyte>
Your RDP server is 192.168.0.103?
00:38
<Hec-Thor_>
yea
00:39
<Hyperbyte>
Type ping -c 4 192.168.0.103 in screen_02
00:43
To see if you can get to the server
00:44
<Hec-Thor_>
lemmese
00:47
woah
00:47
im so ashamed
00:47
lol
00:47
<Hyperbyte>
Let me guess.
00:47
Firewall.
00:47
<Hec-Thor_>
worst
00:47
hahaha
00:47
<Hyperbyte>
Router?
00:48
<Hec-Thor_>
wwwwwwwwwwwww
00:48
<Hyperbyte>
Network cable unplugged?
00:48
<Hec-Thor_>
oooo
00:48
not that much
00:48
lol
00:48
<Hyperbyte>
Server turned off?
00:48
LOL
00:48
<Hec-Thor_>
i said to you earlier i was able to ping
00:48
it was true, from server to client
00:48
never thought the other way around
00:49
so, dhcp was not so good
00:49* Hyperbyte slaps Hec-Thor_ around a bit with a rather large type of fish
00:50
<Hyperbyte>
So, it's all working now? :-)
00:50
<Hec-Thor_>
like a charm
00:51
cant thank you enough
00:51
<Hyperbyte>
You're welcome. I always like it when people venture into Linux. :-)
00:55
<Hec-Thor_>
lets hope i stick around, what is a fact it's that im installing lubuntu in my desktop, firefox eats the shit out of my win7
00:58
<Hyperbyte>
I'm not entirely sure if it'll be much better in Ubuntu, Firefox is a resource hog everywhere.
00:58
<Hec-Thor_>
im so happy i can finally sleep - i was trying to make it work waaaay before i got to your conversation with jujubee
00:58
<Hyperbyte>
Although Ubuntu itself will use less memory than Windows 7, so you'll have more free for Firefox. :-)
00:58
<Hec-Thor_>
any recommendations?
00:58
<Hyperbyte>
How much ram do you have?
00:59
2GB or more?
00:59
<Hec-Thor_>
in the server, yea
00:59
in my desk 1gb
01:00
but here in lubuntu i open lots of tabs and its still 400 mb
01:00
firefox
01:00
in windows its like that for 3 tabs
01:00
i have noticed that always in many soft like gsn3
01:01
vbox
01:01
<Hyperbyte>
Could be that memory management in Linux is better with Firefox than in Windows.
01:02
<Hec-Thor_>
you think?
01:02
haha
01:03
i still cant believe it was a dhcp mistake
01:03
and think i once was a cisco certified
01:04
what happened
01:04
haha
01:05
<Hyperbyte>
:P
01:05
<Hec-Thor_>
hey, i'll let you work now, thanks again
01:05
<Hyperbyte>
How about sleep?
01:05
It's 02:05
01:05
AM.
01:05
:-)
01:06
<Hec-Thor_>
let's go with that lol
01:06
c ya
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13:15
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, good day!
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13:48
<Hec-Thor>
!dhcp
13:48
<ltsp`>
dhcp: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP
13:49
<Hec-Thor>
!isc dhcp server
13:49
<ltsp`>
Error: "isc" is not a valid command.
13:49
<Hec-Thor>
!dhcp server
13:49
<ltsp`>
Error: "dhcp" is not a valid command.
13:49
<Hec-Thor>
!dhcp-server
13:49
<ltsp`>
Error: "dhcp-server" is not a valid command.
13:51
<Hec-Thor>
!usb
13:51
<ltsp`>
usb: LTSP only supports usb filesystem devices, for other projects like http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ probably this isn't the correct channel to ask, not many people have mentioned it
13:52
<Hec-Thor>
!printer
13:52
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'printer', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclient-printers', 'fat-printers'
13:52
<Hec-Thor>
!thin-printer
13:52
<ltsp`>
Error: "thin-printer" is not a valid command.
13:53
<Hec-Thor>
!fatclient-printers
13:53
<ltsp`>
fatclient-printers: You can publish printers on your network so that fat clients see them, by launching "system-config-printer" and selecting Server → Settings → Publish shared printers connected to this system
13:53
<Hec-Thor>
!fat-printers
13:53
<ltsp`>
fat-printers: to publish your server's printers so that fat clients can use them, from http://localhost:631/admin on your server, check v: vagrantc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!! Share printers connected to this system. Or use system-config-printer if you have Gnome.
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14:15
<Hyperbyte>
mhm
14:15
Printer issues I guess.
14:18
<alkisg>
Hi Hyperbyte
14:18
!cups
14:18
<ltsp`>
cups: Recent cups versions have issues with the hostname, either set 'ServerAlias server' in <server>/etc/cups/cupsd.conf, or 'CUPS_SERVER="$SERVER"' in lts.conf so that it's accessed by its ip
14:19
<alkisg>
Nah I committed that one upstream...
14:21
<Hyperbyte>
Maybe !forget it then?
14:21
<alkisg>
Once it reaches Ubuntu LTS versions, sure
14:22
It's sad that we're not allowed to backport newer ltsp versions to previous ubuntu releases
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15:26
<markit>
hi alkisg :) Just for simple smalltalk, if you have time, how is the "wayland thing" planned to be used by ltsp? Probably will be at 18.04 times so no hurry I guess
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16:11
<alkisg>
Hi markit, I think the "remote desktop" thing is still on the wayland TODO list
16:12
So for fat clients it should work fine with ltsp, while for thin clients, it's up to the wayland developers to implement something
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17:46
<alkisg>
vagrantc, Phantomas: hi guys, do you have time this week to work on testing/releasing ltsp/epoptes etc?
17:46* alkisg does have time this week...
17:47
<Phantomas>
alkisg: Sure, I'm already working on some network benchmark details for epoptes
17:48
<alkisg>
Nice! I'm planning on committing a couple of things for ldm/ltsp, and then I can start testing things...
17:51
<vagrantc>
alkisg: sure, i can put some time in
17:51
<alkisg>
Great
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18:31
<Maijin>
Ouch, just did the "ltsp-build-client --dist=precise" and it worked, then the thin client boot, but now I am stuck on a weird screen displaying Busybox v1.18.5 ... (initramfs) _
18:31
and full of ££
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18:36
<Trym>
My LTSP server makes me go crazy -help
18:38
<quinox>
we're here to help
18:40* vagrantc isn't entirely sure sane is a good route anyways
18:40
<Trym>
Have had LTSP server running for many years. Starting to get old fasioned. Howto upgrade to new version but not mess up the configuration? I use two nic and ubuntu 12.04.
18:41
<vagrantc>
Maijin: probably the nbd server isn't configured?
18:41
Maijin: or you don't have DHCP pointing to the LTSP server for NBD ? although if tftp boot worked... that seems unlikely
18:42
Maijin: depends on your DHCP setup
18:42
<Maijin>
vagrantc: So basically, Network config was working before on the 14.04 chroot
18:43
vagrantc: before this initramfs stuff, I got the Ubuntu logo and bootscreen
18:44
And I've just tried "exec startx" and got a kernel panic :/
18:45
<vagrantc>
Maijin: isn't precise ubuntu 12.04 ?
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18:46
<vagrantc>
exec startx from the initramfs would definitely kernel panic, as it failed to mount the root filesystem
18:46
<Maijin>
vagrantc: What I meant is, I have tried 14.04
18:46
and it worked
18:46
<vagrantc>
so there's no startx available ... on top of that, "exec startx" isn't how LTSP should start
18:47
<Maijin>
but I got some client that didn't support 14.04 (PAE) so I ltsp-build-client --dist=precise to get the 12.04
18:47
<vagrantc>
oh, does 12.04 support named NBD exports?
18:47
or is it still port-based NBD?
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18:48* vagrantc doesn't quite remember all the ubuntu versions and what features are supported
18:48
<vagrantc>
Maijin: your server is 14.04 ?
18:48
<Maijin>
yes
18:58
vagrantc: yes*
19:07
<vagrantc>
at a rough glance, it looks like 12.04 had support for named NBD exports...
19:07
both in LTSP and in NBD
19:08
Maijin: is your LTSP server your DHCP server?
19:08
<Maijin>
yes
19:08
<vagrantc>
Maijin: is your server i386 or amd64?
19:08
<Maijin>
the server is amd64
19:08
(at least the version of ubuntu installed is)
19:09
<vagrantc>
Maijin: please paste the output of ltsp-info --verbose to a pastebin:
19:09
!pastebin | echo Maijin
19:09
<ltsp`>
Maijin pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
19:10
<Maijin>
vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/pBQ9LEuS
19:11
<vagrantc>
Maijin: could you re-paste with "sudo ltsp-info --verbose" ?
19:11
<Maijin>
oups
19:11
sorry :)
19:11
<vagrantc>
no problem
19:12
it should have given more information without sudo ... hrm.
19:12
<Maijin>
vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/marY16Qz
19:12
vagrantc: should tell you, if you want more info run as root
19:15
<vagrantc>
Maijin: do you know where dhcp is configured? isc-dhcp-server or dnsmasq?
19:16
Maijin: might be /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
19:16
<Maijin>
vagrantc: /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
19:16
yes
19:16
<vagrantc>
could you paste that?
19:17
<Maijin>
vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/n8QnSba1
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19:22
<vagrantc>
Maijin: do you have an i386 file in /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ ?
19:22
<Maijin>
vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/MD71DQyK
19:24
<vagrantc>
Maijin: do you have another DHCP server on the network, like a cable/DSL router?
19:24
<Maijin>
nop
19:24
<vagrantc>
are you sure?
19:25
<Maijin>
yes, is on a separated switch
19:25
<vagrantc>
i'm at a loss
19:26
everything looks fine from what i can tell
19:27
<Maijin>
:/
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20:32
<vagrantc>
alkisg: what sort of bugs in ltsp were you intent on fixing?
20:33
alkisg: i'm experiencing lots of troubles with poweroff/reboot ... when running under systemd, poweroff and reboot don't work at all, but systemctl poweroff appears to yank the rootfs too early
20:33
which there was a bug about that, i guess
21:00
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I was planning to upload https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/693151
21:00
It's not perfect, but I think it's better than what we have now
21:01
About systemd, yes, let me get you the 2 related bugs, they're fixed in Ubuntu but I'm not sure if they're released in Debian yet...
21:02
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=809166
21:02
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1492546
21:03
If you do e.g. RCFILE_01="chmod -x /sbin/ifdown", does it shutdown properly then?
21:05
Trym: just upgrade your server and chroot to 14.04
21:06
Maijin: did you add the greek schools ppa to your chroot sources?
21:06
!greek-schools-ppa
21:06
<ltsp`>
greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
21:11
<markit>
alkisg: btw, is there anything ready for 16.04 experimentation?
21:11
<alkisg>
markit: if you add the greek schools ppa, 16.04 should work fine
21:11
<markit>
alkisg: fabolous, thanks a lot :)
21:12
I've to reboot, bye
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21:12
<alkisg>
bb
21:14
<Maijin>
alkisg: what
21:14
how can I add that ?
21:26
<alkisg>
Maijin: ltsp-chroot -m
21:27
add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr
21:27
apt-get update
21:27
apt-get dist-upgrade
21:27
exit
21:27
ltsp-update-image
21:28
Maijin: unfortunately ltsp isn't very well maintained in ubuntu, so I support it via a PPA, so personally I recommend it to all Ubuntu/LTSP users
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21:36
<Hyperbyte>
mhmmmmm
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21:52
<Maijin>
alkisg: it ask about disconnecting all nbd devices on "stop" ?
21:52
yes/no
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21:52
<alkisg>
Press enter, it's irrelevant
21:52
<Maijin>
k
21:53
I'll give a look at all this stuff, I've never about all of this :D
21:53
interesting
21:57
alkisg: awesome
21:57
:D
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<Maijin>
alkisg: I have added a Password/Username in my lts.conf and update image, but is say that password incorrect, is this not the way to proceed?
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<alkisg>
Maijin: What are your lts.conf contents now? Put them to pastebin, of course change your password to XXX
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<Maijin>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/jCVDxFb3
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<alkisg>
Maijin: the username/password will only take effect if you also use LDM_GUESTLOGIN or LDM_AUTOLOGIN
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Can you login from LDM?
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<Maijin>
alkisg: LDM provide me an interface yes
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if that's the question
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<alkisg>
Can you login successfully from there?
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<Maijin>
no
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Do i need to add LDM_GUESTLOGIN or LDM_AUTOLOGIN
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and retest
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maybe
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<alkisg>
No
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<Maijin>
I've tried autologin but it loops indefinitely
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<alkisg>
Those are for automating login
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<Maijin>
yes That's why I've tried
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<alkisg>
If you can't login, you surely won't be able to login automatically
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You first need to login manualy
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<Maijin>
and I've also tried to login via command line
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<alkisg>
Put only this in lts.conf:
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[default]
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SCREEN_02=shell
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SCREEN_07=ldm
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Reboot, then press alt+ctrl+f2 to switch to the console
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And ping me for the rest instructions
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<Maijin>
ok
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I'm on ldm
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switching to shell
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alkisg: ping
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<alkisg>
There, try: ssh user@server
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Replace "user" with an existing username
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Leave "server" exactly as it is, don't replace it with anything
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Can you login to the server via ssh as instructed?
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<Maijin>
roflol, just fucked up with the layout and it segfault wait, i'm retrying ;)
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alkisg: yep works
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<alkisg>
Did you get a prompt about trusting the keys etc?
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Did it ask you to type "yes/no"?
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<Maijin>
yep
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Yep I can connect if that's the question
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<alkisg>
OK anyway, let's go to the next step
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alt+ctrl+f7
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from ldm's preferences menu, select "session", and select the xterm session
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Then put the username/password you used in the shell
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If you succeed, you'll get an xterm window
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<Maijin>
yep
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alkisg: works
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<alkisg>
Does it say user@server or user@ltsp123?
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(the terminal prompt)
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<Maijin>
user@server (hostname of the server)
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<alkisg>
OK then it's a thin chroot
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(or thin client)
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Now let's see the available sessions
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On the server, so that you can copy/paste more easily: grep -r ^Exec /usr/share/xsessions/
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Paste the output here
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<Maijin>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/NMsgjSMz
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<alkisg>
On the client, what happens if you run /usr/lib/gnome-panel/gnome-session-flashback
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?
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And, did you put the greek schools ppa on your server as well?
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(not only in the chroot)
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<Maijin>
alkisg: oh nop, should I ?
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alkisg: oh it works
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<alkisg>
Yes, ltsp in ubuntu is broken
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<Maijin>
"/usr/lib/gnome-panel/gnome-session-flashback"
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I got a session
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<alkisg>
It sounds that you have a couple of bugs that I solved a while ago, but they won't be published to ubuntu previous versions
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So just add the ppa to your server and dist-upgrade
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<Maijin>
ok
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<Maijin>
well see :)
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*we'll
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<Maijin>
Did edubuntu people try their stuff before releasing :P
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<alkisg>
Edubuntu is dying, 16.04 will probably be the last release
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<Maijin>
:( ok
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alkisg: what do you suggest ? Installing ltsp on a debian and install all the packets from edubuntu separately
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?
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or even Ubuntu
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there is probably a ppa for edubuntu
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stuff*
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<alkisg>
Maijin: my ppa is suitable for edubuntu, sure
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When you say "install the packages from edubuntu", do you mean the educational applications?
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<Maijin>
alkisg: yop
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<alkisg>
Those are not "packages from edubuntu"
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<Maijin>
there is probably a meta package for that
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or a script
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<alkisg>
Edubuntu uses them, the same as any other distribution
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Any number of packages is just an apt-get install command away
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<Maijin>
yep probably
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<gbaman>
vagrantc: Any suggestions from the question relating to udev stuff with LTSP the other evening?
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Or alkisg (or anyone else), having a weird issue with LTSP, given it seems to be ignoring a udev rule that seems to run perfectly fine when run on Raspbian, but not when run an LTSP fat client? The rule simply sets the new /dev/gpiomem device's owner to the gpio group, but it doesn't seem to be running.
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<Maijin>
alkisg: ok
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just log in with ldm
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using my server user/passw
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:D
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<alkisg>
Maijin: so everything's fine? Nice! :)
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<Maijin>
Yep
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Awesome
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I'll document all of this
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alkisg: for the config of the lts.conf
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what do you suggest ?
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<alkisg>
What do you mean?
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<Maijin>
alkisg: If I want to add user I can use lts.conf or adduser
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<alkisg>
You can use the graphical tool for adding users on the server
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<Maijin>
I don't really get the difference
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alkisg: the default ubuntu stuff?
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<alkisg>
Yup
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<Maijin>
ok
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perfect
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I'll show that to the people there
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should be easy
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<alkisg>
Maijin: run this:
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sudo ltsp-config lts.conf --overwrite
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This will give you a "better" default lts.conf
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It'll overwrite your own, you can then adjust it
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The most important directive there is 'LDM_DIRECTX=True', gives you speed with some security cost
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Time for bed, goodnight all...
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<Maijin>
alkisg: ok I see
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<Maijin>
alkisg_away: awesome thanks for all those advices ;)
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<Maijin>
fuck it's too slow on the old thin client xD
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