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Channel log from 24 February 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<_Shane>
johhny: I have a few thoughts on reducing the number of modules loaded from the initrd on Gentoo. Is there anywhere I can send some modified files for your thoughts?
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<johnny>
_Shane, what exactly did you modif y?
01:44
<_Shane>
I've made changes to profile.qs, 000-basic-configuration and 010-bootstrap
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<johnny>
put a diff on the pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
johnny: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
01:48
<ltsppbot>
"_shane" pasted "000-basic-configuration diff" (26 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/262
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<johnny>
nics.. we can do better than that..
01:49
i was trying to avoid that
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<ltsppbot>
"_shane" pasted "010-bootstrap diff" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/263
01:49
<johnny>
the best thing to do.. is to actually fix genkernel :)
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<ltsppbot>
"_shane" pasted "profile.qs diff" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/264
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<johnny>
genkernel is the real problem imo.. seems like that loading of modules is what really kills the boot time
01:51
_Shane, i'm trying to get a patch in
01:51
<_Shane>
The only way I can see of reducing the number of modules loaded is to make changes to ${chroot}/usr/share/genkernel/${arch}/modules_load.
01:51
<johnny>
that will at the very least allow you to use your own custom modules
01:51
modules_load file
01:51
i really really don't want to modify genkernel source
01:52
_Shane, some good stuff is getting into genkernel git.. perhaps the patch from robbat2 will be merged
01:52
then we won't need any hacks
01:53
i need to look again
01:55
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186652
01:55
i still think it would do better as a command..
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<_Shane>
johnny: I assume the solution would involve the ebuild providing a default set of modules to genkernel that the individual sites would then have to edit or have a means of passing to ltsp-build-client the modules they want included in the initrd.
02:11
Also, genkernel aside, is there any chance of getting the JOBS variable change in 000-basic-configuration put through?
02:18
<johnny>
i thought i did it with MAKEOPTS now
02:18
guess not..
02:18
but that's my suggestion
02:18
i'll try to commit it later.. it's 3am and i must sleep
02:19
but come back later if you're interested in helping
02:19
it'd be nice if we could get the genkernel maintainers to help
02:20
get udev helping out or somethin
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<pem725>
Good morning - or afternoon - any tips on how to get 1440x900 resolution from intel 945G chipset?
05:24
can I run 915resolution with ltsp is actually my question
05:25
and how do I run it? from an xterm or from my local terminal <Ctl+Alt+F1>?
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<knipwim>
i'm a bit confused about the workings of the x-server
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is it supposed to run on the server itself, or in the chroot environment of the client?
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<jammcq>
G'Morning #ltsp
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<Appiah>
\o
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08:13* Gadi rubs his eyes and looks in disbelief at sbalneav's nick
08:13
<Gadi>
!s
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
something wrong with sbalneav's nick?
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<Gadi>
jammcq: nothing wrong - all too right
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its present
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:)
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<jammcq>
and how does that make you feel?
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<Gadi>
jammcq: quit psychoanalyzing me
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:)
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<jammcq>
"psycho" analyzing
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Morning jammcq!!!
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Lemme go grab a cup of coffeee
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<PerlStalker>
Here's my fun. I had a working setup on Fri. I came in Mon and my client fails to boot with "nbd_server[12278]: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" in my server's syslog.
09:17
Doing a TCP dump on the server, I can see the client hit the nbdroot server (on port 2001) in this case and start exchanging packets but then it stops.
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<PerlStalker>
Can anyone tell me what causes this: "nbd_server[12278]: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
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<Mip5>
Hey Folks - I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 and have raid1 going for / (md0) and also swap (md1). I marked a drive as failed, then removed it from the array. When I rebooted, I got an ALERT! that md0 was missing, and it dropped me down to initrmfs Busy Box.
11:39
<johnny>
you'll probably get better help elsewhere on questions thawt aren't so ltsp specific
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<knipwim>
do I set NBD_SWAP=N or NBD_SWAP=False in lts.conf ?
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<johnny>
either
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or just don't set it to N or False..
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or comment it out
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<Mip5>
Johnny - thanks - since this is an LTSP server I figured I'd give it a shot here. I've been hanging out in ubuntu for a while, and no one has picked up the thread.
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<PerlStalker>
I'd like to know why my LTSP server has stopped handing out nbd roots correctly
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<Mip5>
LNS - have you ever worked with mdadm and raid1 for the root partition?
12:41* PerlStalker kicks LTSP. "Why won't you load up my gbdroot?"
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<PerlStalker>
s/gbdroot/nbdroot/
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<Lns>
Mip5: not enough to be able to troubleshoot..have you looked in any other chans? Are there any raid chans on freenode?
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<Mip5>
Lns - I have been hanging out in ubuntu for a couple of hours, but no one has chimed in. I didn't see a channel called raid, but maybe there are others.
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<Lns>
Mip5: have you searched chan list?
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<Mip5>
Lns: Maybe I don't know how to do this. I just typed in raid as the channels were scrolling by after I connected to freenode, and didnt' see anything with that name. Is there another way to search?
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<johnny>
there is probably not a raid channel..
12:47
usually there are only project channels..
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<johnny>
Mip5, try a forum instead
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<Lns>
Mip5: is this the issue you were having yesterday re: marking a disk as failed?
12:48
to seed another server?
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<Mip5>
Lns: yes
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<Lns>
Mip5: what's the issue exactly?
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<Mip5>
Lns: I had an array of disks, and then added a 3rd that I intended to fail, and use a seed. I did that (following an article in LinuxJournal)
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I wasn't able to get the seed to populate, though I think that issue is related to grub not being properly installed
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<Lns>
Mip5: did you rebuild the array in the new server with that disk successfully?
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i.e. is it just an issue with booting it?
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<Mip5>
Lns: I'm not sure, though I think so on *that* machine
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<Lns>
ok so you have 2 raid arrays in 2 servers, right?
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1 in each
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<Mip5>
No - I have 2 raid arrays in *each* server. md0 for /, and md1 for swap
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<Lns>
Mip5: right but they are each a physical array, not two separate collections of disks in each
12:53
(partitions basically)
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anyway
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if you're sure you rebuilt the array in the second server by using the "failed" disk, you should just have to install grub and configure it for the raid failover stuff
12:54
there are tons of howtos for that
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<Mip5>
Sorry - I'm clear. /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1 make up md0 on server1, and /dev/sda5, /dev/sdb5 make up md1
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on that same server
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<Lns>
Mip5: right.
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<Mip5>
Regarding server2 (that was seeded by the failed disk from server1)
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<Lns>
Mip5: have you seen http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.3 ?
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<Mip5>
I'll open it up and take a peek - brb
12:56
This looks good. I immediately see an error I made when trying to install grub on server2
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Lns: Thanks for your help - I'll read up on it
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<Lns>
;)
12:57
tldp.org is your friend
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<Mip5>
Yeah - I should remember that. Sometimes I jump to a howto in an article, without reading up enough. Bad habit....
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<Lns>
i think we're all guilty of doing that at one point or another
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<Mip5>
;-) - I'll read up some more and let y'all know the results
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<Lns>
cool
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good luck
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<johnny>
food.. i need some
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Lns, i'm expecting your delivery soon
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get to work on that :)
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<Lns>
johnny: my delivery?
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<johnny>
yeah.. food
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<johnny>
to my mouth
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like right now
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<Lns>
johnny: sounds like you need http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/Things_I_Made/PizzaParty
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johnny: i dont' think i want anything to do with your mouth =p
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<johnny>
lol
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Lns, i don't live too far
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lol
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<sepski>
no debug xterm in lenny
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<Lns>
johnny: i don't care if you are in the next suite from me. The only people i feed manually is myself and my 5 month old boy =p
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<johnny>
no.. i just want you to bring it here
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that's all
13:11
sep, sure.. it's too old probably :)
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jk :)
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i don't know what version is in there tho
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<Lns>
johnny: i thought you owned an inet cafe?
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don't you have food there? =p
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<johnny>
Lns, sure.. if i go there :)
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<Lns>
ha
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lazy lazy
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<johnny>
it's a whole 7 blocks
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gimme a break
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hehe
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<Lns>
heh! free food man
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nowhere is too far for free food
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think harold & kumar
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<cliebow>
Gadi: i should be aable to run 2 independent ldap domain controllers on the same wire without conflict shouldnt i?
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<Gadi>
your client should only point to the one you want
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it'll only conflict if your client points to both
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or if you set one up to relay requests to the other or something
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<cliebow>
i found "a" client with cumputer accounts in both..i deleted it form one..see what happens..
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<vagrantc>
well, i am totally perplexed. ldm 2.0.33 works fine, ldm 2.0.36 hangs on logout. the only code differences appear to be in ldm-dialog and X99-run-x-session was relocated to X95 ...
14:09
and a change to one of the plugins, that should only kick in with ltsp-cluster
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i downgrade, it works fine. upgrade, it hangs...
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: any processes on the server when it hangs?
14:18
for that user
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: dbus-daemon, dbus-launch ...
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<Lns>
vagrantc: I troubleshot hanging logouts on Hardy yesterday
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~1min. hangs
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<vagrantc>
and when i log in with gnome, a few more ...
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<Lns>
dbus was spewing errors, i just restarted it and it seemed to fix it
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<vagrantc>
Lns: this is more like 15+ minute hangs
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<Lns>
yikes
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<vagrantc>
maybe 30+ minutes ... haven't really seen it timeout.
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<Lns>
stupid q, did you check syslog?
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<Gadi>
are you sure your package built correctly?
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seems there were some dh changes, too
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: it works in all other respects...
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hangs on the "ssh -O exit" bit ...
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<Gadi>
hmm... we still do that?
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:)
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<vagrantc>
manually killing off all the running processes except for the sshd, bash and /bin/sh (presumably started by ldm)
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still doesn't log out
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i guess i could try dropping back to the previous debhelper rules ...
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oh, actually, the debhelper changes were introduced in the last working version.
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so the working version has those changes.
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rebuild 2.0.33 against a current unstable environment, and it works fine.
14:47
rebuilt 2.0.36 against a lenny/stable environemtn, and it still breaks...
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<Gadi>
do you have LOGOUT=True in lts.conf
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:P
14:52
by default, we don't let you logout anymore
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<cliebow>
Gadi: even with samba shut off on the new domain it affects login on the original..how the heck is that..a question for another day any way..thanks
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<ogra>
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html
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"The SheevaPlug Plug Computer is further equipped with 512MB of DRAM and 512MB of flash. The tiny embedded PC also includes gigabit Ethernet and USB 2.0 ports. "
15:14
"For those that do wish to build products on the platform, volume pricing could fall to $50, Marvell expects."
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johnny, there you got your desired ARM device ^^^^
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<Lns>
ogra: slashdotted
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<ogra>
yeah, took me some attempts to get through
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<johnny>
ogra, laptop!
15:15
that's not one
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<ogra>
no
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<johnny>
but i did read an article on osnews about arm laptops
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<ogra>
a wall plg computer
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*plug
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<johnny>
today
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<ogra>
with 512M 1.2GHz, gigbit ethernet
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<Remaille>
hi
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<Remaille>
Is it possible not to use ssh between clients and server ?
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<vagrantc>
set LDM_DIRECTX=true in lts.conf
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<Remaille>
thanks vagrantc :)
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<Lns>
ah, the simple things =)
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<vagrantc>
ok, so ldm 2.0.34 isn't affected by my hangs on logout bug...
15:47
that narrows it down a bit... and gives me something worth uploading
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<alkisg>
Lns, what does the "Φ" in your quit message stand for? (quit: "Φ").
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(or is it an encoding problem? :P)
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<Lns>
alkisg: it's "phi"
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<alkisg>
Yeah, I know that, but what does it mean for you?
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<Lns>
the golden ratio = 1.61803399
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well, to me...it means everything. :)
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to put it simply
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don't probe me unless you want an in depth psuedo-philosophical conversation though. ;)
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<alkisg>
Heh... no, I didn't know that you use Φ for the golden ratio :)
15:52* Gadi always used gamma
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<alkisg>
I'm fine with 20 years without mathematics :P
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<Gadi>
phi was reserved for SChroedinger's wave function
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<Lns>
alkisg: it's not as much about math, i'm no good at math..
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<Gadi>
thats lowercase gamma, mind you
15:54* alkisg went to some mathematician olympics 20 years ago, but never bothered with them again...
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<Gadi>
uppercase if Poisson's probability function
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s/if/is
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<Lns>
Gadi: thanks for that mention, hadn't heard about Schroedinger
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<Gadi>
Lns: oh, its great for figuring out where your particles might be
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<Lns>
Gadi: =p
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<Gadi>
unless they tunneled into your other pants
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<Lns>
SChroedingerIsPants
15:56* Lns doesn't even know what the "IsPants" thing is about
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<Gadi>
lol
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<Lns>
I stumbled upon phi, the golden ratio, fibonacci sequence a few years ago...life changing stuff
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philosophically anyway, for me
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<alkisg>
I liked the hitchhiker's guide to galaxy more (from a philosophical point of view) :)
16:02
"Word's largest linux deployment?" http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2824724304.html
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I wonder what graphics cards they use...
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<Lns>
alkisg: never read that (was supposed to in high school though =p)
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<alkisg>
Really, really phisolophical! And funny! :)
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<Lns>
There seems to be a very strong link between philosophical and humor..still trying to figure that out.. =)
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philosophy*
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or at least reality...but whatever =p i just farted
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16:14* ogra hopes Lns did that in a philosophcal way at least
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<ogra>
like ... a hymn or something ...
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<Lns>
ogra: i did. Kinda like throat singing, but with my butt.
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<ogra>
yeah, that surely counts
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<Lns>
lol
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<dewmon689>
hi all
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anyone around?
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<ogra>
we're all hiding behind the furniture waiting if you ask a question or go away again :P
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(and no, "anyone around?" doesnt count as valid question here)
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;)
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<dewmon689>
haha ok, so anyone here use ltsp in an AD enviroment?
16:26
if so what's the best way to access user folders on another server?
16:27* ogra doesnt use any MS products but would guess cifs
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<dewmon689>
I'm using ubuntu 8.10 and can't get pam mount to properly work
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<ogra>
did you ask in #ubuntu-server ?
16:32
essentially you want pam mount work with ssh sessions, ask about that there
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<dewmon689>
I guess I'll check there
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<ogra>
*to work
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<Remaille>
dewmon689, mount -t cifs -o username=your_name server_name:///folder_name /target_dir
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or something like that
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but it is not permanent : put it in fstab
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<dewmon689>
your saying put that in the pam mount.conf file right?
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<Remaille>
oups didn't read all your question
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just read "access user folders on another server"
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:)
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pam_mount seems a bit complicated for me...
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<dewmon689>
yeah I wish there was another way
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<Remaille>
btw if you have any hints or a good howto, I am interested !
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<dewmon689>
here's my setup... I've got 8.10 running as an ltsp server in an already developed AD
16:46
well I'm frustrated because they've changed it around in 8.10
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I'm half way tempted to go back to 8.4
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I'd like to have it so each user that logs in though gets there shares mounted for them
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<Remaille>
what are the differences that annoys you ?
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<dewmon689>
I can't even get pam mount to work in 8.10
16:48
they've changed
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hold on, let me double check my file names
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<Remaille>
and i worked well in 8.4 ?
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<dewmon689>
they've changed the format of the files in pam.d
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well at least for 8.4 they had decent documentation
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<ogra>
i think there is also a pam script module
16:51
you could probably do the mount call from it with Remaille's mount suggestion
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<dewmon689>
I've really been hoping to find someone who already has this setup in a school or something along those lines
16:52
because maybe pam mount isn't the answer at all
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<ogra>
he prob here is that ltsp operates through ssh ... which does privilege separation
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so probably somethig like pam script with a proper mount call is cleverer than using pam mount (which needs to run with root rights afaik)
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<dewmon689>
well that is what pam mount did
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<Remaille>
dewmon689, your question is very important
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<ogra>
right, but pam mount tried to run as root, while ssh drops privileges to the user inbetween
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<Remaille>
and, me too, I am looking for an answer to suer ltsp at my school (with AD)
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<ogra>
so pam mount likely fails
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<dewmon689>
hmm...
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<ogra>
pam script runnng something like smbmount might work though
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since smbmount only operates with user credentials
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<dewmon689>
I need to reporduce the error I'm getting
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because it wants you to add a line into common-session
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<Lns>
dewmon689: are you talking about mounting the user home folders from an AD environment?
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<dewmon689>
yeah
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<Remaille>
or at least only mouting the folder from the AD server in /home/user/Desktop
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<dewmon689>
that's the idea
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right now I have ltsp auth. through likewise
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<Remaille>
done that with a linux box
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but not a ltsp server
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<dewmon689>
it works too.. any thin client can auth through the AD
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<Remaille>
out of the box ??
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<dewmon689>
yeah I'd say so
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<Lns>
hrm
17:11* Lns remembers some writeup somewhere that did all of this automagically
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<dewmon689>
I maybe tinkered with it for a few minutes but it works
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but again, I"m almost wondering if I need to go back to 8.4 vs. 8.10
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<dewmon689>
well I'm going to run for now, feel free to email me
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<Remaille>
me too
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see you
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<Guest___>
anybody have a good way to setup better X config defaults for clients?
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<aglio2>
sbalneav: around?
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<kaos01>
hi, seems users with tcsh cannot login via ldm
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<Ryan52>
that's a known bug.
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<kaos01>
seems it was reported like more than 4 months ago
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<Ryan52>
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490897
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vagrantc tagged it wontfix.
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<kaos01>
ok
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<Ryan52>
so he won't be the one fixing it.
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<kaos01>
oh well i like bash better :)
20:12
<Ryan52>
why do your users need to use tcsh? :P
20:12
heh
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<kaos01>
I guess they started with it years and years ago and stayed with it :)
20:13
is there a common place to look up lts bugs ?
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<Ryan52>
each bug tracker of each distro that has an ltsp implementation.
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iirc the ltsp wiki has a page with links to all of them.
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tho upstream sort of uses launchpad, it's only used for Ubuntu bugs.
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDistroSupport
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there it is.
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<kaos01>
i guess i shoudl have looked better in redhats bugzilla
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<Guest__>
how can i change the default gnome panel menus for new users?
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ok
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<Ryan52>
w00t! 4 minute attention span!
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<Guest__>
back
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could somebody please assist me ?
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<Ryan52>
Guest__: unrelated to ltsp.
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Guest__: ask in your distro's channel.
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<Guest__>
its via k12linux though
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which tells me to go here
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<Ryan52>
ask in #fedora
20:49
this is a Fedora thing.
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not k12linux.
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(assuming you still need help with the "default gnome panel menus for new users")
20:50
you never did ask a real question after you came back..
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all that ltsp (including k12linux) does is connect you to the server.
20:51
from there it's just like any normal login, as if you are sitting at the server itself.
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Guest__: hello?
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<Guest__>
hi
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<Daemonik>
I'm using LTSP 5 (Ubuntu 8.10), my thin-clients don't auto-mount CD-ROM drives USB sticks etc. Is there a package I need to install? I've been Goolging. What should I check for first?
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