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Channel log from 19 August 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
Good morning
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<ball>
chupacabra: is this you? ;-) http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/fail-owned-myspace-fail.jpg
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<moldy>
how do i properly logout a user from a shell on the server?
05:51
killing the sshd process makes the thinclient hang
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<sepski>
kill the shell ?
05:52
<moldy>
sepski: hm, any suggestion on how to identify the correct process to kill?
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bash -c LTSP_CLIENT=192.168.0.22 <-- that one might be it
05:54
sepski: great, that seems to work nicely, thank you :)
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<sepski>
pstree -p -u username , or just pkill -u username
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<moldy>
sepski: pkill -u username is what i have done so far, but that usually makes the thinclient hang
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i want it to go back to ldm so another user can login
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<Appiah>
good day
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<rjune_>
!s
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<ltspbot>
rjune_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
good morning #ltsp!
09:06
sbalneav: ping
09:09
<sbalneav>
CAN-o-SPAM: Hello!
09:09
<CAN-o-SPAM>
scotty how's everything goin up there?
09:10
<sbalneav>
Goin' good. Making progress on Sabayon.
09:11
<ogra>
eel free to ping me if you have something to upload to karmic ;)
09:11
<CAN-o-SPAM>
exactly why i was tracert'ing you ... i want to make sure rcc is in tune with everything goin on
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneav: you are working on taking care of the crash in 9.10 right? I know he was going to try and backport the latest sabayon into 9.04
09:13
<sbalneav>
ogra: Well, last night we actually got a version that you can edit profiles on without crashing and burning :)
09:13
<ogra>
i see the mails passing by :)
09:13
<sbalneav>
CAN-o-SPAM: No, for now, I'm basing my work on 9.04
09:13
when I get something working there, we can produce a karmic package.
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
ok, have you been e-mailing back and forth with him? is there anyone else doing significant work on this that he doesnt know about?
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<sbalneav>
CAN-o-SPAM: Yeah, I sent him an email about 10 minutes ago. Currently, right now, I think the only people seriously working on it hard are the main maintainer (federico) and myself.
09:15
Within Ubuntu, I think I'm it for trying to get it working. I've heard of no-one else.
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
ok]
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<Beer30_>
hey johnny any word from knipwim?
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<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: Get your raid problem sorted out?
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<ogra>
did he turn from a junior to a senior ?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
not sure
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i've read that linux md sometimes looses files
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anyhow it's starting ok, and hasn't stated that disk order has changed today
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anywho, sbalneav on sabayon, still having problems with crashing upon quit
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<sbalneav>
Crashing upon quit?
10:24
Can you elaborate, please?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
k, this time it didn't
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however upon start, i noticed the firefox icon was gone, whereas it was there before
10:25
however upon start, i also noticed i had unchecked internet
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so, internet was not checked, but firefox icon was in the bar
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i assume sabayon said no no, and crashed because of the conflict
10:26
anyhow, this is a great tool
10:26
exactly what we've been looking for. we can now customize it to users, for example, those in journalism can now have scribus added, whereas those in music can have their menu's loaded with music apps
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kindergartent, etc.
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hrm, need to switch to edubuntu now it looks like
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so i've got some questions about the sabayon, and the future
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
sbalneav: hrm, however it did not apply the settings to the user. is there something else i need to do ?
10:30
<garymc>
Hi pepes, im still having issues with my Launcher opening with gedit instead of displaying it in firefox. Anyone know how I can fix this?
10:30
*people
10:31
<Ahmuck-Sr>
garymc: don't understand your question entirely
10:31
<garymc>
I created shared launchers to display on all my clients desktops when they log in
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When my clients double click the launchers Firefox opens and they see the intranet weblink i want them to see.
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Now when I click these launchers in my account 'gary' they open in GEDIT
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not firefox
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why is this?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
gedit is associated with text files. the os thinks that your launcher is a text file
10:33
<garymc>
but my os
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is the same as all other users
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
only you are getting this problem?
10:34
<ogra>
did you try removing the launchers and re-login to get them recreated ?
10:34
<garymc>
ogra : yes
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and yes
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just me
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
then the association that's setup on that account is wrong
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<garymc>
how do i fix them
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
what distro?
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<ogra>
if you are not to dedicated to your users current settings i'd remove all config for that user by deleting the dotfiles/dirs
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
system --> preferences --> prefered applications in ubuntu
10:36
<ogra>
that doesnt apply to mimetypes
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<garymc>
so ogra you say i need to delete account 'gary' ?
10:37
<Ahmuck-Sr>
garymc: no, he's telling you to "rm -rf .*" in garys home directory
10:37
<garymc>
right iam a newbie
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how do i do that?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
but don't do that till you get confirmation frmo somebody else
10:37
you need to open a terminal
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<garymc>
?
10:37
ok
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terminal open
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
the other way is to open a file browser, uncheck hidden files and any folder/file with .something needs to be deleted
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understand that any customizations that you have will be los
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<moldy>
Lns: ping me when you're here:)
10:38
<Ahmuck-Sr>
t
10:38* Ahmuck-Sr bumps sbalneav
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<garymc>
what sort of thingS?
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ive CHOWNed gary to certain folders etc
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
well for example, firefox bookmarks
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<garymc>
like /var/www/
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
thunderbird e-mail
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<garymc>
the bookmarks dont matter
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email im not using yet
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
gary, "cd /home/gary" in the terminal
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<garymc>
ok
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done
10:39
<Ahmuck-Sr>
let's do pm
10:40
<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: So, you've associated the user with the profile?
10:40
<Ahmuck-Sr>
sbalneav: yes
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do i need to re-build the chroot?
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<sbalneav>
No
10:40
Sabayon happens server side
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
that's what i thought
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<sbalneav>
Are there any indications of sabayon-apply failing in the users .xsession-errors file?
10:41
<garymc>
you talking to me?
10:41
<Ahmuck-Sr>
k, sbalneav have another question. it used to be in the linux/*nix world that the dot files held configuration. i noticed openoffice and a browser config. is it possible to pick up the dot files and modify them in the user's directories, lock them down, and add per application to sabayon?
10:41
<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: Lets have this in #edubuntu, where we wont confuse others
10:42
<Ahmuck-Sr>
sbalneav: sure
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<ogra>
Ahmuck-Sr, doing pm for something like a rm command is a very very bad idea :P if you make a typo there is the chance that others see it and can should stop in the channel :)
10:47
s/should/shout/
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
ogra: yes, that i understand. i've verified the directory just to be sure. i thought this was ltsp off topic
10:51
<ogra>
well, we did all the rest here so you can do the final stuff here too :)
10:51
<garymc>
How easy is it to setup a printer on LTSP ubuntu 9.04?
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so all users use it?
10:51
I have a printer that has Network socket on it
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
easy
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<garymc>
do i need the drivers for it?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
depends
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<ogra>
garymc, how about doing one thing at a time ;)
10:52
<Ahmuck-Sr>
ogra: i'll make a note. i wasn't sure how long it'd take
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<garymc>
ogra: Ahmuck-sr helped me fix the last issue lol :)
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<ogra>
ah
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<garymc>
im now fixed
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beleive me i cant do more than one thing at a time
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;)
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<moldy>
garymc: what kind or printer is it (vendor, model)?
10:53
<garymc>
hold on ill check
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<garymc>
hp officejet 7130 all in one
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<moldy>
garymc: alot of printers work more or less "out of the box" in 9.04, some require that you manually install drivers
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hp generally works well
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<garymc>
*7310
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so i just hook it upto the server
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reboot server?
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and we all done?
10:54
<moldy>
no reboot necessary
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<garymc>
ok, so i just hook the printer to the ethernet switch?
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<moldy>
yes
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<garymc>
and the server will find it all by itself?
10:56
and i click print
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and hey presto?
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<moldy>
depends. you have a dhcp server running, i assume?
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<garymc>
i think so?
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<moldy>
well, you need to make sure the printer's network configuration fits into your setup
10:57
either configure it as a dhcp client (often the default), or give it an ip that is on your subnet, but not used by your dhcp server
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<garymc>
ok
10:57
i suppose i will just try
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and see what happens :)
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<moldy>
exactly
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<garymc>
ok
10:57
well thanks for your help
10:57
speak another day cheers :)
10:58
Thanks Ahmuck-Sr
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bye bye
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<garymc>
Hi again
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I plugged my printer into the ethernet switch but i cant seem to find it on the ltsp client
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anyone know how i find it?
11:43
its ok i found it lol
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
garymc, it's ok, you can hang out here
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<Beer30_>
hey johnny any word from knipwim?
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<johnny>
i just woke up .. not sure
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<Beer30>
gm sunshine ;)
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<LamaZ>
I'm having some trouble getting decent performance with flash sites in firefox on an ltsp client.
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I tried running firefox locally, that works fine, but flash is still very slow. Other apps like VLC work at a good speed.
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Is flashplugin-nonfree suitable for LTSP clients?
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Or should I install another package, or an older version?
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<sbalneav>
LamaZ: Do you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file?
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<LamaZ>
sbalneav: yes
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<sbalneav>
What are your thin clients like?
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<LamaZ>
I'm testing it on a Dell P3 450mhz
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i also tested it on a vmware machine booting PXE on my workstation
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<sbalneav>
450mhz is going to be a bit pokey for flash
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Flash is 1) poorly written (imho) and 2) a video app. It's going to need some processing power.
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<LamaZ>
So even if xvid movies play fine with VLC, it could still be to slow for flash?
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<sbalneav>
yup
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<LamaZ>
hmm
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<sbalneav>
because flash, in a work, sucks.
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<LamaZ>
tell me about it
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<sbalneav>
s/work/wod/
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argh
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word
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Flash *really* only works well on a standalone desktop, and even then, not so hot.
13:04
Is it just youtube videos you want to watch?
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<LamaZ>
Mainly yes
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<alkisg>
Opening 2-3 tabs on sites with lots of flash banners gives my 2GHz core 2 duo CPU a headache... :)
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<sbalneav>
If so, on ltsp-discuss, someone posted some info on how to substitute totem for flash on youtube pages.
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works a treat for me.
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<LamaZ>
hmm that would be a lot better at least, thanks, i'l check it out
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<sbalneav>
http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36776.html
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Hm. I should just make that a factoid. Since we get the question a lot.
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!flash
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "flash" is not a valid command.
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: flash is Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "flash" is not a valid command.
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: learn flash as Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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<sbalneav>
!flash
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "flash" is Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
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<sbalneav>
Perfect :)
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<LamaZ>
nice :)
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I'm trying it now aswell
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It would really be an improvement, all the kids love youtube
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<sbalneav>
I've switched to hqtube, and I love it.
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<Gadi>
lets not forget local apps
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:)
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<LamaZ>
Gadi: i'm having this program using firefox locally
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<Gadi>
we have so many ways to confuse people these days
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ah
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<LamaZ>
By the way, if this is a greasemonkey script, it could be done by a proxy server instead
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the proxy server could change the tags so that mplayer plays youtube files
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<Gadi>
flash should not be slow at all locally
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<LamaZ>
if I run firefox locally the flash plugin will load locally to right?
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<Gadi>
right
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it must
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<LamaZ>
its still slow... on a 450mhz P3
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<johnny>
shouldn't it be?
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<Gadi>
and you are sure it is tunning locally?
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<johnny>
flash is evil like that
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<Gadi>
*running
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you execute it with: ltsp-localapps firefox
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<LamaZ>
Gadi: yes, its running locally, I can see it in the title bar aswell
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<Gadi>
ah, ok
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weird
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<LamaZ>
I guess I could try booting a newer PC from pxe to see if that changes it
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I guess I could also try installing another version of the flash player
13:19
9 might be faster then 10
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yeah its going great with hqtube
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<zamba>
is it possible to use a thin client's serial port?
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<sbalneav>
Using a local app, yes it is
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<johnny>
the other option would be to install serial to tcp mapping in the chroot and the reverse on the server
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<alkisg>
For serial mice, it's easy...
13:33
Did anyone find out any way to install hqtube for all users?
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<sbalneav>
OK, Ahmuck-Sr's tripped over another bug in Sabayon which I've fixed. New package has been pushed, and is building on lunchpad. Keep an eye out for 0ubuntu3
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<Gadi>
I remember the good ole days when "sabayon" was something you ate if you knew how to wikipedia it....
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</rant from grumpy old fart>
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lol
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<sbalneav>
IIRC, sabayon's just and egg + water brush for pastries, etc.
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hey-ho gadi, btw
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<rjune_>
!g
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<ltspbot>
rjune_: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:09* Gadi waves
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: enjoyed the rant - as always
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:)
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<sbalneav>
I like ranting.
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Good for the spleen.
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:)
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<sbalneav>
I don't rant, I have to apply leeches to prevent "evil humors" from building up in my blood.
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:)
14:13
Sorry, *IF* I don't rant...
14:14* vagrantc much prefers the rantings of sbalneav to some recent encounters
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Someone giving you grief?
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My rantings are almost always better accompanied with beer. :)
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Ahmuck-Sr: wb, packages have been pushed and should be built soon. watch for updates.
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: just some trolling at freegeek lately
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<sbalneav>
ah, IRL stuff
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<vagrantc>
clever enough that it has to be dealt with rather than simply ignored
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all
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<sbalneav>
Hello
14:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
is ltsp-server-initialize -y still required for Fedora 11?
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<sbalneav>
OK, for those interested, sabayon-2.27.91-0ubuntu3's up
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<knipwim>
johnny: here i am
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<johnny>
ah.. welcome
14:34
Beer30_, hey?
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<jammcq>
helloooo friends
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<sbalneav>
!j
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
hey scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Beer30_>
johnny.... hey
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<jammcq>
otavio: hey, we're doing a hackfest in Maine in October. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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dunno if you can make it, but you are certainly invited
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<maginot>
good afternoon... if my server doesnt have any sound hardware the clients can play sound ?
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<sbalneav>
maginot: So long as the thin clients have sound hardware, sure.
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<maginot>
sbalneav, Hmmm can you tell me if the skype support along with pulseaudio is working 100% ?
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<sbalneav>
Skype you'd probably run as a localapp.
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And in Free Software, your 100% guarantee is proportonal to the amount of money you pay for the software :)
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<maginot>
sbalneav, hehe is the wiki for skype with pulseaudio updated?
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<sbalneav>
Not sure. I don't use skype, so I'm not sure.
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<maginot>
the last time I saw I think it didnt say anything about using with localapps (and I don't remember the url)
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to be honest I kind of have some fears about using pulseaudio =X
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<jammcq>
nothing to fear but fear itself
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<sbalneav>
maginot: What's the fear? If it doesn't work, it's not going to cause a nuclear explosion :)
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<vagrantc>
well, as long as you may sure you don't misuse the commandline arguments, anyways
15:05
and there are a few undocumented ones
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<knipwim>
johnny: i have a fix for the double chroot problem
15:06
didn't put it in the quickstart profile though
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<otavio>
jammcq: hello :-D
15:09
jammcq: oh; thx :pD
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<jammcq>
otavio: hey
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<otavio>
jammcq: I guess I can't make it; sorry
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<jammcq>
did you see the BTS invite?
15:09
oh
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<otavio>
jammcq: yes; i did
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<jammcq>
it would be nice if you did, but maybe next time, we do it every year
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<maginot>
sometimes a nuclear explosion can be better them having the server crashing and users calling to the support lol
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<rjune_>
though I hear some people just go for the lobster
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<tstafford_>
i was able to get skype working at a localapp and on the server...
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<knipwim>
johnny: this is the patch for the proposed change in 010-bootstrap
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http://pastebin.org/10338
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the change below are for the chroot problem, the others were for setting quickstart in the config file
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<maginot>
tstafford_, did you followed any guide or just installed skype as localapps with pulseaudio and get it running ?
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<tstafford_>
i followed this guide http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=387061 ... but only portions of it...
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: honestly, even getting an LTSP docs package which didn't integrate with yelp would be really nice.
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<knipwim>
and this for the quickstart profile http://pastebin.org/10339
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<sbalneav>
Well, my docs are on launchpad, if you've got some idears, just commit to them
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<tstafford_>
on ubuntu 9.04... i added the pcm.pulse and ctl.pulse to ~/.asoundrc
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Are you a member of ltsp-docwriters?
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ogra: ping
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ogra: if you could, if he's not already on there, add vagrantc to ltsp-docwriters
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<johnny>
knipwim, did something in portage change that caused this to be a problem recently?
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<tstafford_>
and made the changes to /etc/pulse/daemon.conf regarding fragmentsize and fragments
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and it works fine
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but it uses quite a bit of cpu when running on the server
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<knipwim>
johnny: i don't know
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i think ltsp-upstream is a member, so i am indirectly
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<knipwim>
i could look at how emerge functions in more detail
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the problem only occurs when emerging something
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but that takes time
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<johnny>
something must have changed at the portage level
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<knipwim>
and for now these changes work
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<johnny>
can you check the changelog ?
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<knipwim>
i guess
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<maginot>
tstafford_, Hmm .. well, I get conserned about cpu usage, dont want my server stuck by the sound .... I have a 2 quad xeon with 32gb and ~40 to 60 users connected... but after starting using firefox as localapps my cpu load average never goes beyond 1... 1.2
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: in that case, anything you'd like to add, just throw it in there.
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<tstafford_>
well i have a similar setup... dual quad xeon w/ 16gb... it uses about 10-15% on one core when running on the server
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: well, packaging should possibly be done on a separate branch.
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<maginot>
tstafford_, are you using this setup for how much users (avr) ?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: it's been on my todo list to look into it, but i've just never gotten around to it
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<knipwim>
johnny: well, nothing specific mentioned there on root
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<johnny>
knipwim, why duplicate the options for the variables for ltsp and the env vars
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shouldn't have stuff like this twice
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printf "`eval_gettext "Manual Quickstart: %s"`\n" $QUICKSTART_PROFILE
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<knipwim>
what do you propose
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<tstafford_>
maginot: if you mean skype, i am the only one that uses the application
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<tstafford_>
if you mean our lts setup, we only have 8 users atm w/ load of .28 as we speak
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<johnny>
knipwim, don't print output until the results of the 2 checks happen
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perhaps a helper
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function that looks first locally, and then checks environment
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and mapping the various variable names to ENV equivalents
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<knipwim>
johnny: would you accept the patch if it weren't for those config file options?
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<johnny>
also mark it up as a todo :)
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# TODO: figure out why we need to set ROOT=""
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knipwim, otherwise.. yes.. even if we don't know why
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if you want the environment vars to work, then we really should support them cleanly
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do you want me to reference you by nick? or by email? or just by name?
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<knipwim>
reference where?
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<johnny>
when i commit the changes you're making
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<knipwim>
by name would be fine
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and should i make a bugreport, or do you want the patches by some other means?
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<johnny>
you could email them to me.. or fork the bzr repo and let me pull from you
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<knipwim>
mailed
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<Beer30>
johnny,knipwin: I was going to test those patches, but I don't know if pastebin formatted the files wrong, but they won't patch :( ... says malformed... ???
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<johnny>
don't use pastebin for patches..
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they use the @@ symbol
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for internal use
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but also used by patches :)
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<Beer30>
I figured as much
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<johnny>
use some other site
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Beer30, but i'm about to commit the files
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so just re emerge ltsp-server in the next 20 minutes
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<Beer30>
ok, np....I'll wait :D
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<johnny>
knipwim, also in the future, use patches from the root of the src
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and you can just do bzr diff > something.patch to generate them i imagine
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<knipwim>
ok, will do
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working from a bzr tree copy would be much neater indeed
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<johnny>
knipwim, can you split up what you're doing
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with the profile.qs
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let's just focus on the flags we need first before messing with ccache
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wasn't there also an alsa-plugins or something needed?
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<knipwim>
we decided to put the alsa-plugins in the ebuild as a dep for ltsp-client
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and the ccache is clean now
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before the change it is put into portage before it is emerged
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and the whole ccache is optional now, and in one place
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<johnny>
ok.. commiting shortly
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wanna go over the various packages i'm dealing with in the profile via /etc/portage/package.keywords ?
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are any of those table now?
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it'd be nice to not need to use those overrides anymore..
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ok.. those are pushed
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<Beer30>
johnny: oh, btw... I noticed this last night, but when it goes to build the kernel in the chroot it gives the warning: openpty failed: 'out of pty devices' I don't know if this is critical, but I thought I would mention it.
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<johnny>
weird..
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<Beer30>
does /dev/pty need to be bind mounted as well?
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<johnny>
the entire /dev hierarchy should be
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<knipwim>
perhaps udev and sysvinit
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<johnny>
knipwim, verify ?
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<knipwim>
not now
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going to bed in a few
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they are no dependencies for openrc and baselayout 2, i checked that
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<johnny>
Beer30, can you tell me if the udev needed by openrc is stable now?
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<Beer30>
ya, lemmie check
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<johnny>
uggh.. sshfs-fuse 2.1 STILL ISN'T STABLE
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it's been over a year
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err wait.. it's been almost a year
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Beer30, tomorrow hopefully knipwim will clone the overlay repo and commit his fixes, and make them pullable by me
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that should solve all the major problems
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<Beer30>
johnny: looks like openrc wants udev !<sys-fs/udev-133 and udev-141 is stable
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<johnny>
ok nice
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they are now out of the profile.qs
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somebody really needs to bug genstef about sshfs-fuse :(
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<Beer30>
ya, but who.... humm...
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<vagrantc>
doesn't gentoo have something to track bugs?
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<Beer30>
ugh, no space left on device... guess I should have cleared out my old chroot's before trying to build-ltsp-client...
16:47
ya, johnny just filed a bug ;)
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er... I mean has filed a bug... back on 1-31-09
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<johnny>
i now need to copy over some of vagrantc's additions
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the cron script for turning off thin clients, and more tmpfs bindmount locations
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<johnny>
and then perhaps we can finally get to dracut
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<Beer30>
woohoo!
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<Lns>
ogra: re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/276930 : wouldn't that disable the automount of thin clients as well? Or does that not honor gconf settings?
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<panthera>
.
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hrm, ww. sorry
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<Lns>
sbalneav: when is sabayon-apply necessary?
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<sbalneav>
Lns: At login
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it applies the profile.
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<Lns>
sbalneav: does that mean it's not to be invoked manually?
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ah crap i just crashed
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(sabayon)
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brb
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<sbalneav>
Lns: No, it's invoked at xinit time
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/etc/X11/Xsession.d/60sabayon
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<Lns>
sbalneav: you wanna take a look at my debug log?
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this is from your latest ppa version
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<sbalneav>
K
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Pastebot's fine
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<Lns>
sbalneav: www.pastebin.com/ff87feb3
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sbalneav: i'm seeing definite improvement! Though here are the issues i encountered just today:
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1) Changing Clock prefs (12hour -> 24hour) doesn't work
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2) When I create a desktop launcher with a custom icon (or maybe even without, didn't check), and log back in as a user of the profile, the .desktop launcher shows as a text file (with the icon and starting text of the actual .desktop file instead of the icon i chose)
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<Lns>
3) It doesn't seem that the panel launchers are applying to the profile (I added multiple launchers and none of them showed up when i logged back in as another user in which the profile applied to)
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4) Alacarte customizations don't apply (you might just not have looked at that yet though)
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sbalneav: The debug log I sent you was right after I was working in a profile and added a panel launcher, then right-clicked on desktop and tried to change background settings (forget whether it happened when i right-clicked or afterwards when i left-clicked on the desktop background item)
18:01* Lns will shut up now ;)
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<Lns>
(oh..this is all on fully updated jaunty as of about an hour ago)
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<sbalneav>
* Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted
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I can't see your pastebin
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Lns: I can't see your pastebin
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<Lns>
hrm
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hold on
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sbalneav: http://pastebin.com/f28a1c8d2
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, that's got no info.
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<sbalneav>
You need to create a sabayon-debug-log.conf file in /root
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<ltsppbot>
"sbalneav" pasted "/root/sabayon-debug-log.conf" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/480
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<sbalneav>
Put that in the file indicated about
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above
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an even better way to debug is:
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1) Open terminal
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2) type "gksu sabayon > sabdebug.log 2>&1"
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minus the quotes
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that way, I'll also get stderr messages
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then you can mail/pastebin sabdebug.log
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but first, create that conf file
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<Lns>
sbalneav: hehe.. ok i'll do that
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sbalneav: is that only good for if sabayon crashes? or would it help with the other items i mentioned above
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(so far earler was the only crash i encountered since your latest push)
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I wasn't able to reproduce it either
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sbalneav: oh...should i create new profiles whenever you update sabayon?
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<sbalneav>
Shouldn't be necessary, but it DOES excercise the "creating profiles" parts of the code.
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And the log config file will help with everything
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<Lns>
ok
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<sbalneav>
Lns: Paste it to pastebot.ltsp.org, they don't expire from there quickly.
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I've got to toddle off for a bit and do some housework. I'll be back in a couple of hours. I'll have a look at the dump then.
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<Lns>
sbalneav: no problem i need to leave too..i'll try and paste it up before i leave though
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you'll still be in the chan?
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<ltsppbot>
"Lns" pasted "To sbalneav - sabdebug.log" (250 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/481
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<Lns>
cheers all, i'm out
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<coordinador>
hi all
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<joachim>
Hi, does anyone here have any experience with running firefox in a screen script?
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