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Channel log from 15 January 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<sbalneav>
Pax Vobiscum
08:44
<vagrantc>
is that what you call it
08:45* vagrantc got sucked into another round of dgkfbsdtsp
08:45
<sbalneav>
oderint dum metuant
08:45
"let them hate, so long as they fear"
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
!s
08:46
<ltspbot>
CAN-o-SPAM: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:47* vagrantc welcomes back ltspbot
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
!c
08:47
<ltspbot>
CAN-o-SPAM: Error: "c" is not a valid command.
08:48
<CAN-o-SPAM>
rats!
08:48
<sbalneav>
Aude, Vide, Tace
08:48
"Hear, See, and be Silent"
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<grey-monkey1>
I'm getting a ca-certificates-java error when I tried to install openoffice (chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 apt-get install openoffice.org). Has anyone else ran into this problem?
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<mgariepy>
good morning everybody !
09:58
<KaRoe>
Hi, I'm running an xulrunner app on ltsp. xulrunner work the same like firefox. So whenever I reboot my client, and try to start this app I get an error saying it's already running... anybody had this with firefox?
09:58
<cliebow>
anyone using neoware stuff for clients?
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<sbalneav>
KaRoe: Are you exiting the app before you reboot the thin client?
10:07
<alkisg>
KaRoe: are you logging in with the same user from two stations simultaneously?
10:08
<KaRoe>
no, I don't exit (because it's some sort of a kiosk...) and when it restarts, it's because electricity failed. Secondly it always uses the same username
10:09
The app only needs to run once on 1 client with 1 user
10:09
it get autostarted, so I used to have a script, whenever X starts, it would kill the previous process
10:10
now I'm looking for a better way to do it
10:11
<alkisg>
There's an ldm option for that, to kill old sessions
10:11
It should be in lts.conf...
10:11
!lts.conf
10:11
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
10:12
<Gadi>
LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True
10:12
<alkisg>
Yet another thing missing from lts.conf :(
10:13
sbalneav: do we have lts.conf in the sf wiki somewhere, to link there instead of ubuntu's manpages?
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<Pod2>
Using ltsp 5 on debian, the client mouse and keyboard don't work
10:25
keyboard works fine for the bios, so that's ok
10:26
syslog on the server shows entries for the mouse and keyboard when I plug them in
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but nothing when using either startx or rdesktop as the screen7 script
10:27
I've tried several different usb mice and keyboards, with and without ps2 adaptors
10:27
<sbalneav>
alkisg: No, but I could probably make one.
10:27
<Pod2>
exact same setup works fine in ltsp 4.2
10:28
found a message on the mailing list which suggested renaming S20ltsp-client-core to S99ltsp-client-core, but that made no difference
10:29
there are messages on bootup from udev saying "missing sysfs features"
10:29
<sbalneav>
Sounds like /sys isn't getting mounted somehow
10:30
Vagrant doesn't seem to be around, he's the debian expert
10:31
which version of debian?
10:32
<Pod2>
testing/squeeze
10:32
<ogra>
is hal running ?
10:32
squeeze will likely need dbus and hal
10:33
<Pod2>
keyboard works fine in shell mode - ps aux shows no hal processes on the client
10:33
<ogra>
right, make sure to have dbus and hal installed
10:33
xorg wont work without
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<Pod2>
I get the login screen appearing, if that's what you mean by xorg?
10:37
<alkisg>
Pod2: could you try ltsp-update-kernels to see if it helps?
10:38
<Pod2>
I tried that already - forgot to mention that
10:40
I might have missed something there. Googling that now. Most of the documentation on ltsp.org seems to have gone...
10:41
<ogra>
!docs
10:41
<ltspbot>
ogra: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
10:42
<Pod2>
great, thanks!
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<Pod2>
I missed the mount /proc while in the chroot earlier. Trying it again now
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<_UsUrPeR_>
has anybody set up squid to work with usernames in an LTSP environment?
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<Pod2>
updated 150 or so packages in the chroot, ran ltsp-update-kernel and ltsp-update-image as per instructions, rebooted client and no difference, lol
11:04
still getting the udev error(s) during boot:
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udev: missing sysfs features; please update the kernel or disable the kernel's CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED option
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<kusznir>
Hi all: I have a ubuntu 9.04 ltsp server, and I just got more or less forced into upgrading from inetd to xinetd. I coverted my /etc/inetd.conf file into the /etc/xinetd.conf file format, restarted xinetd.conf, but now it appears my disk is not readable.
11:10
<Appiah>
server disk?
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<kusznir>
Is there any known tricks/techniques for converting to xinetd on ubuntu 9.04? (And I suppose that also begs the question why it depends on inetd instead of xinetd to begin with...)
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Err...Sorry..nbd export: client's network-mounted "disk".
11:11
<Appiah>
I dont see how disk and inetd/xinetd goes
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<kusznir>
My server's disk is fine :)
11:11
My clients no longer see their root fs, which is nbd-mounted from my server.
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<ogra>
kusznir, xinetd has licensing issues
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<Appiah>
oh
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<ogra>
thats why ubuntu and debian dont distribute it as default
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<johnny>
ubuntu doesn't use xinetd at all
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openbsd-inetd
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is the package
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<ogra>
right
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<kusznir>
ogra: like what? Every other OS I've used for the past ~8 years has shipped with xinetd instead of inetd...
11:12
<johnny>
kusznir, irrelevant
11:12
<ogra>
google is your friend :)
11:12
<johnny>
ubuntu uses openbsd-inetd by default.. all the scripts for ltsp in ubuntu are for openbsd-inetd
11:12
the ones hat get installed in the package that is
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<kusznir>
Hmm..it was in its repos...I installed another package, and it sucked in xinetd, replaced openbsd-inetd....Actually, there didn't seem to be much of a way to abort the process :(
11:12
<Ahmuck-Sr>
evil can not be a friend
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<johnny>
/me is guessing its' a debian thing
11:13
<ogra>
kusznir, let me guess, vmware :)
11:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
that was weird. Johnny: how did /me not work for you?
11:13
<johnny>
bug in the transport potentially..
11:13
<kusznir>
Actually amanda-client (modern versions; the default version in the repo is ancient and doesn't work with my existing amanda backup infastructure)
11:13
<johnny>
_UsUrPeR_, i don't connect with a regular IRC client
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh
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<johnny>
i use an xmpp <-> transport
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er xmpp <-> irc transport
11:14* ogra doesnt see a dep on xinetd in amanda-client
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<johnny>
and the one i'm currently using is called spectrum.. and it's going through some serious changes atm.. so some stuff is breaking _UsUrPeR_
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<johnny>
_UsUrPeR_, it's based on libpurple.. so it works with most things libpurple/pidgin supports
11:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: huh. I do enjoy pidgin. I'll have to check it out once it stabilizes
11:15
<ogra>
kusznir, well, but you are free to port all the ltsp related entries from inetd.conf to xinetd indeed :)
11:16
<johnny>
_UsUrPeR_, if you enjoy pidgin.. you wouldn't need spectrum
11:16
spectrum is for xmpp only clients
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it's a server side component
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or most useful for xmpp only clients anyways..
11:17
it allows those of us with such clients to talk to people on other networks
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<kusznir>
ogra: will I run into long-term problems if I just port the inetd.conf enteries into xinetd.conf-style ones?
11:17
<johnny>
you'll loose upgrades
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if we ever make them
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also the instructions will stop making sense :)
11:17
since they will all reference the other
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but other than that
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<ogra>
and changes by scripts that change inetd.conf need to be made manually
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<johnny>
upgrades to the config files that is
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<kusznir>
Or for that matter, can I downgrade back to inetd and somehow tell apt that xinetd dependancy is met with inetd so it will stop trying to replace inetd with xinetd?
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<ogra>
kusznir, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses btw
11:18
<johnny>
kusznir, that's probably a better solution, but then you'll loose xinetd scxript upgrades to whatever pulled in xinetd
11:18
<ogra>
if the third-party app you installed pulls it in with a hard dep you cant convince apt
11:18
<johnny>
best solution is to contact the package author and tell them to provide a standard entry for inetd.conf
11:19
/me pokes ogra (that is the best solution right)
11:19
<ogra>
ask the people who packaged the amanda-client you use to fix it to use a more loosely dependency chain
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<kusznir>
I have already made the entry for inetd.conf for the amanda package, its just apt auto-removes inetd and replaces it with xinetd....I didn't even get a chance to tell it not to....
11:19
<johnny>
kusznir, you'll have to get them to fix it
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and stop bein dumb
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them i mean :)
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<kusznir>
And apt refused to do any more installs/operations until the issue was resolved.
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<johnny>
oops.. that's breaking the CoC
11:20
<ogra>
johnny, doesnt apply here ;)
11:20
<johnny>
kusznir, that's exactly normal
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ogra, good principles in any case.
11:21
kusznir, submit a bug into launchpad
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err
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whatever the debian bug tracker is called
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or .. whoever packages it
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<ogra>
kusznir, usually your package should have something like Depends: "xinetd | inet-superserver" ... if your amanda-client package doesnt have that, its a bug in this package and needs to be fixed by whoever packaged it in a broken way
11:22
the pipe tells apt to accept to use other inetd servers
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<johnny>
yep..
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looks like OR
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<ogra>
right
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<Pod2>
LMAO - installed another couple of hundred updated packages. It's using kernel 2.6.30 (instead of 2.6.26) which appears to fix the udev errors and the client boots *much* faster now
11:26
still no mouse of keyboard though!
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<Pod2>
I'll quite happily admit I'm doing something stupid - just not sure what
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<Gadi>
Pod2: http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20090914_pg3.html
11:32
according to vagrant back in september, you should use sid
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:)
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<Pod2>
thanks
11:34
bit of a problem though :(
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<Gadi>
a good "googling" trick (since we do answer lots of questions in this channel, is to google: site:nubae.com <search term>
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<Gadi>
well, wait for vagrantc
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<Pod2>
I was going to ask how you found that
11:34
<Gadi>
he might know better
11:34
I did: site:nubae.com debian mouse and keyboard
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<alkisg>
I wonder if we can also move the logs to the sf ltsp site... :)
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<Pod2>
if you start a client to shell mode, can you manually start x or rdesktop from there?
11:36
the equivalent of /etc/screen.d/startx in 4.2
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<kusznir>
So, it turns out that xinetd would have worked as a drop-in replacement for inetd if the ltsp scripts would have added a name/port mapping to /etc/services and used the name in the inetd.conf file. xinetd.conf does read inetd.conf and will add those services as long as it can map them in /etc/services.
11:49
(and the services are specified by name, not by number)
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<knipwim>
johnny: did you have any thoughts on how to implement an ltsp profile?
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<johnny>
not particularly, i'm not exactly sure how difficult it is these days
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<knipwim>
not very
12:14
i made some profile files already
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and that works
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the question is, where in the install to implement them
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is there a Gentoo function to install a profile from an overlay?
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<johnny>
it's in the install docs
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<knipwim>
or should the profile be in the upstream files
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<johnny>
isn't there some eselect ?
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<knipwim>
yes
12:16
eselect profile
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<johnny>
then that is probably the recommended way, i don't think quickstart has a way to do it internally
12:16
profile should be in the overlay
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<knipwim>
okay
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<johnny>
since it will be searched
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or at least i think so..
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<knipwim>
technically, it could be copied when installing the client
12:17
not the cleanest option
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<johnny>
well.. see if the profile shows up in the list if you put it in the overlay portdir and list it in eselect
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<knipwim>
check, will do ...
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<alincoln>
is this problem known?: before listing anything in LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS, i create a user and log in. i log that user off, then go back and enter, say, firefox in LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS. if I log back on as the original user, i don't see the menu/panel shortcuts changed to 'xprop...'. but if i create a new user, the new user sees the firefox shortcut just right, with 'xprop...'. seems that the first user has a firefox.desktop
12:19
woah, long line. sorry.
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<Gadi>
alincoln: if a user has a .desktop file in their ~/.config/... directory, it will supercede LOCAL_APPS_MENU
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<alkisg>
alincoln: lts.conf is read on every client reboot, so if you modify it without rebooting the client you won't see any changes...
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<alincoln>
alkisg: always rebooted after changing lts.conf. that wasn't clear in my line above.
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<alkisg>
OK, I saw log off/on that's why I said that. Check what Gadi said.
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<jelly-bean1>
after using LOCAL_APPS=Y
13:32
firefox cannot see the printers
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but if you go System > Printers from gnome-panel, you can see the printers
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they just dont show up from Firefox > Print
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Firefox > File > Print
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<johnny>
they are no longer local to the server anymore
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i'm not sure how to solve.. i just know why you're getting the issue
13:33
as i have no printers here
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<johnny>
they == firefox
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<jelly-bean1>
right
13:34
thats exactly what it is
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but i am wodnering if there is a way to symlink the cups config to the chroot or something
13:34
i dont want to have to setup the printers per-user
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<stgraber>
to anyone who is planning on tagging: Please don't, there's a small issue in nbd-proxy making it send bogus nbd struct when the server disconnects under heavy load. It's being worked on and I hope to have nbd-proxy rock solid today.
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneav/stgraber: edubuntu is making 10.04 right?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hey, can anyone explain to me how applying lts.conf settings to a certain MAC address is supposed to work? Right now, I am getting an error on boot of a client saying that there's a syntax error in etc/lts.conf at line 42. Line 42 consists of the following: "[00:13:90:02:9C:EB]"
14:15
Is there some flag I need to be using instead of the MAC address, which I distinctly recall working?
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: [blah] is a section
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there must be at least one param=value in each section
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if not, it is an error
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<knipwim>
you have quotes around it?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
knipwim: no, no quotes. :)
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Gadi: the actual lines are as follows
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http://pastebin.com/m5c331f13
14:17
Gadi, ^^^
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<Gadi>
that looks ok - can you paste the entire file?
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maybe there is some weirdness on line 41
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: http://pastebin.com/md8cac90
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<Gadi>
ah
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line 37 is the problem
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you need to comment it out
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otherwise, you have a section with no parameters
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh!
14:22
ok :D
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<Gadi>
or you could add a parameter
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:)
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<alkisg>
Should empty sections really be considered as errors?
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<Gadi>
I like using LIKE=default
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or GADI=rocks
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:)
14:24
alkisg: getltscfg is the holy product of jammcq from the beginning of the epoch
14:24
its flaws are flawless
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<alkisg>
Ah, if it's religious-related, I'll have to pass :)
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<Gadi>
:)
14:25
we truly have not touched getltscfg since the very beginnings of ltsp
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<johnny>
i think we should get rid of [default]
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<Gadi>
it is the one vestage from LTSP < 5
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<alkisg>
Blasphemer!
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<johnny>
and ignore it
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the beginning is default until we run into the next
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it' makes things easier for users
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they can just drop the entries right in the file
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<alkisg>
johnny: let's leave it until the new, https based configuration system :P
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<johnny>
alkisg, did you do the mount package cache thing..
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we should make a standard option for it
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gentoo could/would use that standard option
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<alkisg>
johnny: yup, it's in the trunk
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<alkisg>
Modify it however you want...
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<stgraber>
CAN-o-SPAM: it did
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
stgraber: ok great, i thought i knew that, but got some conflicting info, wanted to double check with you ... thanks
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<stgraber>
CAN-o-SPAM: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/10.04/alpha-2/
15:13
announce is here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
stgraber: are you happy with the progress of the group?
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<elias_a>
Ooo la la!
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<stgraber>
yep, it's going very well, Lucid should be a really good release
15:14
<CAN-o-SPAM>
very nice to hear, i'm glad your playing a key role
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