IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 October 2011   (all times are UTC)

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00:39
<miks>
Just a quick update: I went back to Edubuntu 10.04, and LTSP is working fine. It has to be Unity that was causing me the trouble. If anyone has some advice on how to use a newer version and disable Unity, I'd love to know how. I've tried setting my default session, and the clients still try to boot up Unity (which results in a flickering black screen)
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00:40
<stgraber>
... I was going to tell him it's fixed in 11.10
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04:39
<miks>
Thanks stgraber, I haven't had a chance to try the latest 11.10 yet. I'm a little leery to put something so new in the lab, until I have time to test it (like over the summer). I'll probably stick with 10.04 for now.
04:41
I've got 24 workstations in the lab, and one server with a Quad Core processor and 4GB of RAM. Should I consider splitting the clients onto 2 servers, or do you think the one server is enough for 24 clients? I run localapps, and almost everything the students do is in Firefox on the web
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05:53
<laurei>
hi guys, another issue, ltsp fat clients are somehow not able to save
05:53
... not able to save settings in the users home directory
05:54
if application specific settings are saved, eg chrome, jitsi, teamviewer, they are gone on next launch
05:56
<muppis>
Have checked are home directories mounted correctly?
05:57
<laurei>
how do i check this?
05:58
they seem to work like i can save things, they just dont keep the state on relaunch
05:58
<muppis>
Does ls -la show correct user and group for files?
05:58
Or something very high id.
06:03
<laurei>
all the userids are the users actual ids
06:09
i dont even know where the users home directories are saved on the server
06:10
<muppis>
In their usual place, under /home.
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06:53
<VectorX>
hi, where can i get information on how to build a energy efficient thin client, using around 8 to 15watts and costs hardly anything ?
07:02
maybe using dc current
07:14
<Mava>
maybe some old eee laptop or system with via epia mainboard ?
07:17
<VectorX>
im tryin to see if i can make them
07:17
prob under 100 if possible
07:18
current cost of such pc is around ~us$200 which is too much
07:52
<Hyperbyte>
miks, if Firefox is a localapp, will probably be ok.
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12:25
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
12:27
<pscheie>
good moring mgariepy
12:27
morning
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12:30
<Hyperbyte>
Afternoon. :-)
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<highvoltage>
greetings
13:26
<Hyperbyte>
Hi-voltage. :)
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13:37
<highvoltage>
:)
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13:49
<roasted>
hello!
13:49
<mgariepy>
hello roasted
13:52
<andygraybeals>
hi guys, did alkisg ever make it to maine?
13:54
<highvoltage>
<philosoraptor> If roasted is scared, does that make him a roasted chicken? </philosoraptor>
13:54
<veloutin>
nice one
13:55
<highvoltage>
andygraybeals: that's scheduled for Thursday :) (well at least for mgariepy, stgraber and myself)
13:55
<veloutin>
I tried to come up with a better one, but no pun in ten did.
13:55
<highvoltage>
:)
13:55
<andygraybeals>
nice
13:56
<fellowEnt>
lol, just switched windows from reddit only to see this :)
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14:00
<pscheie>
mgariepy, still got room in your car for me on Thur.?
14:01
<roasted>
are you all coming to the US?
14:02
<mgariepy>
pscheie, yes
14:02
<nubae>
US? for what, if I might ask?
14:02
<mgariepy>
i'll rent a mini-van so i guess i'll have 7 (crowded) places haha
14:02
<pscheie>
roasted, some of us are already in the US. ;-)
14:02
<mgariepy>
nubae, ltsp hack fest
14:03
<nubae>
ah jeeeeshh always in the US
14:03
when we gonna have one here in Europe?
14:03
<pscheie>
nubae, http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_ByTheSea2011
14:03
<highvoltage>
organise one, nubae :)
14:04
<nubae>
I'd love to.... organising... all of those willing to meet somewhere in Europe, say central... maybe Brussels say aye
14:04
:-)
14:04
<pscheie>
How many people went down to Brazil last year (or was it 2009) for LTSP's 10th anniversary?
14:04
<nubae>
not enough
14:05
<highvoltage>
brazil is one of the very few places in the world where I don't need a visa to go to
14:05
<nubae>
but thats understandable Brazil is far and expensive to travel to
14:05
<roasted>
mgariepy: you should bring the party van to southern PA so I can treat the LTSP'ers to a well earned beer for having tolerated my constant array of questions in here.
14:05
<nubae>
u need a visa for Belgium?
14:05
<pscheie>
nubae, I've already been to Brussels. Organize it in, say, Switzerland. ;-)
14:05
<highvoltage>
nubae: yep, but that's a schengen visa, that's easy at least.
14:05
<nubae>
how about Spain?
14:06
<pscheie>
Spain would be good.
14:06
<nubae>
cool... like Barcelona for example
14:06* highvoltage gusta spain
14:06
<nubae>
very IT hip city
14:06
<roasted>
Can someone take notes for me at the LTSP hack fest if PPC related material comes on the table? :P
14:06
<nubae>
and, me living here, can organise that quite easily
14:07
we could organise it around some other summit taking place at the same time so its not just for ltsp
14:07
<highvoltage>
nubae: how about just doing it on the pavement on la ramblas street, we'll blend right in :p
14:07
<nubae>
highvoltage, lol
14:07
seville would be great too
14:07
as that is home to guadalinex
14:08
we'd get many people to come
14:08
]used to work there and am sure people would come if they knew other buntuers were coming
14:08
<pscheie>
Is gaudalinex the regional distro there?
14:08
<nubae>
and seville is both cheap
14:09
yes, but its big.... REAL big
14:09
was in the R and D department and that had 10 people... the whole department had about 200
14:09
<pscheie>
Right, weren't they putting it into something like 34k schools?
14:09
<nubae>
we managed all the public schools in Andalucia
14:09
and the government sites
14:10
in total it amounts to about 3 million pcs
14:10
right, we had about 10k servers running debian pushing copies of ubuntu to the desktops
14:10
wasnt reallt ltsp
14:10
<pscheie>
I haven't heard anything about it for a while. I assume the whole project is still humming along?
14:10
<nubae>
as it was push
14:10
but it worked well
14:11
<pscheie>
More like DRBL?
14:11
<nubae>
its the longest project I know of thats been working
14:11
10 years now
14:11
<pscheie>
wow
14:11
<nubae>
people in Spain are more used to linux than windows
14:11
that for me... is a win
14:11
no pun intended
14:12
but....
14:12
<pscheie>
A win for the world, I'd say, even though I'm American.
14:12
<nubae>
it was too beaurocratic for me
14:12
<pscheie>
Not wasting money on unnecessary scarcity.
14:12
<nubae>
whatever we did in RD was implemented 2 years down the line
14:12
I didnt like that
14:12
the bigger the beast gets, the more that happens I suppose
14:13
<pscheie>
Yeah, in large organizations that's frequently going to be the case.
14:13
<nubae>
I'm now running pinguyos... thats a nice little OS
14:13
<pscheie>
Stability & predictability become more important.
14:13
<nubae>
where things move fast and its stable as its based on buntu
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<nubae>
yeah a geeks worst nightmare
14:14
had to sit through seminars on the correct procedures for going from point A to point C
14:14
<pscheie>
I just switched to Scientific. It's okay, but a little harder to make work as a desktop than Ubuntu.
14:14
<nubae>
god it was pointless
14:15
check pinguyos if uve got vbox.... its worth a look
14:15
also strawberry
14:15
<pscheie>
Yeah, I've heard good things about pinguyos. Never heard of strawberry.
14:16
My day job is Centos stuff, thus the SL.
14:17
<nubae>
it looks like osx, feels like ubuntu and is stable like debian/centos
14:17
i love it
14:17
<pscheie>
Besides, someone has to represent Fedora/RHEL/Centos at BTS. :-)
14:17
<nubae>
hey i have nothing bad to say... my day job involves rh 6 to a degree too
14:17
olpc school server is using it
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14:43
<fellowEnt>
I know this is off topic but, can anyone recommend a good open source spam filter?
14:43
<Hyperbyte>
Spamassassin.
14:43
<nubae>
dasnguardian
14:43
oh spam
14:43
sorrry
14:43
heh
14:43
there is also an all in one spam/filter/proxy
14:43
i forget what its called but its good
14:44
<fellowEnt>
assp?
14:44
<nubae>
webcontentfilter or something
14:44
its in launchpad somewhere
14:44
i installed it for many schools
14:44
and it has a nice gui to go with it
14:44
<fellowEnt>
I like spamassassin, I just have one requirement... immediate notification of a blocked message; many I've tested just won't do it
14:46
<nubae>
https://launchpad.net/webcontentcontrol
14:46
thats the one
14:46
<fellowEnt>
ty kind sir
14:46
<Hyperbyte>
fellowEnt, that doesn't sound too hard with Spamassassin.
14:47
<nubae>
i liked parental control gui, though its coded in gambas
14:47
theres a screenshot on the launchpad page to look at
14:48
<fellowEnt>
cool, our current solution runs on the front end exch server... i hate it
14:48
<Hyperbyte>
fellowEnt, basically, spamassassin is a program that says "mail is spam" or "mail isn't spam". Any action that is taken with spam messages, like moving messages, deleting them, sending a notification, etc... is done via procmail.
14:49
<fellowEnt>
I'm looking to have a linux box do the filtering then pass it on to exchange
14:49
<Hyperbyte>
Why do you need a notification though?
14:49
<fellowEnt>
our users need to know if a message has been blocked
14:49
<Hyperbyte>
Ah
14:50
Well procmail can easily rewrite a subject of a spam message to include [SPAM] for example
14:50
<fellowEnt>
we're an insurance company, so there's constantly pics of wrecked cars being sent in
14:50
<Hyperbyte>
Or move them to a seperate folder in the users' mail account.
14:50
While you're at it, add clamd as well into our procmail, then you are also protected against virus mails.
14:50
*your
14:50
<fellowEnt>
oh the other thing is users CANNOT have control over their quarantine, they must go through helpdesk
14:52
<Hyperbyte>
fellowEnt, either way - regardless of what you want to do - spamassassin or any other anti-spam agent won't do it for you.
14:52
Like I said, Spamassassin just says "mail is spam" or "mail is not spam". Procmail decides what happens next.
14:52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procmail
14:54
<fellowEnt>
it's awesome how many commercial products are using spamassassin
14:56
it just pains me to buy into an appliance (physical or virtual) that I can build myself for a fraction of the cost
15:00
<Hyperbyte>
What you're talking about doesn't sound all that hard to setup with procmail.
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<xsl>
hello all, do multimedia card readers mount automatically on LTSP? ( like usb devices )
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<RevShaft>
Need to configure ltsp to defer dchp to my router. My understanding is that I need to set up ProxyDHCP, but am having difficulty finding documentation for doing so under Ubuntu 11.10. Anyone have a suggested link?
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18:38
<Hyperbyte>
Search Google for 'ltsp proxy dhcp'
18:38
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
18:38
First result
18:38
:)
18:38
Ah, that's not 11.10 documentation - sorry.
18:38
But it's probably the same for 11.10.
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<RevShaft>
I saw the 10.x note at the top, too...
18:39
<Hyperbyte>
:)
18:41
<RevShaft>
I'm just beginning tinkering with it.
18:42
Wondered if I could set up dhcp on the ltsp box to only accept requests from specific mac addresses.
18:43
And if so, if non-matching mac addresses would automatically go to the router.
18:44
My son's Xbox doesn't like the new toy on the network. :)
18:46
<Hyperbyte>
You probably can
18:46
You can have specific address based config in dhcpd.conf
18:46
Not sure how to make it ignore other addresses though.
18:48
By the way
18:48
ProxyDHCP isn't the answer
18:48
<RevShaft>
There was a "deny unknown-clients" config option I tried, but didn't help.
18:48
<Hyperbyte>
You can only have one DHCP server on the network - either your router's or LTSP's
18:48
If a client asks for an IP, and gets two responses, it won't know which one to pick.
18:49
ProxyDHCP is useful only when you have a main DHCP server, and run your LTSP clients through that.
18:49
For example:
18:49
Router <-> LTSP server <-> LTSP clients
18:49
That would work best in your case I think.
18:49
You can do without proxy DHCP then, and just do a normal LTSP setup.
18:50
It would require a second switch for all the clients, and an LTSP server with two network cards
18:50
Another solution, would be to disable your router's DHCP server, and only use LTSP's DHCP server.
18:50
<RevShaft>
The LTSP box is virtualized, and already has the second NIC.
18:51
The virtualization is why I'd rather use the hardware router than the virtualized stuff.
18:51
<Hyperbyte>
That's nice, but unless you virtualize a switch as well, and seperate one DHCP server from the other, it's not gonna help.
18:51
Point is: you can't have more than one DHCP server active on one physical network.
18:52
So either disable the router DHCP server and work with LTSP's DHCP server
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18:52
<Hyperbyte>
Or get a second network card with a network that is physically seperated from the other one.
18:53
<RevShaft>
I see what you're saying now.
18:53* RevShaft is not a network guy. :)
18:56
<RevShaft>
Would a VLAN work in this case as well?
18:58* Hyperbyte is not a virtualization guy. :)
18:58
<RevShaft>
lol
18:59
Alright. Looks like I have some reading to do. Thanks for the help.
18:59
<Hyperbyte>
When a client requests a DHCP lease, it broadcasts onto the network, and all devices in the network receive that request.
18:59
The devices that are running a DHCP server, will send back a lease.
18:59
If a client receives two leases, the server that responds fastest, wins.
18:59
Hence, you can only have one DHCP server in a network.
19:00
A VLAN would probably work, as long as it doesn't broadcast from VLAN to normal LAN
19:00
<khildin>
make that 1 DHCP server in a subnet...
19:00
network can have multiple subnets
19:01
or vlans.. ;)
19:02
<RevShaft>
But a PXE device doesn't know which subnet it's on, right? So it wouldn't care which subnet the DHCP reply came from?
19:05
<Hyperbyte>
khildin, that's the problem. A DHCP client has no subnet until it gets a lease.
19:06
RevShaft, correct.
19:09
<khildin>
agree... stand corrected... it must be on 1 network.... and for each network (or VLAN) you need 1 DHCP server...
19:09
all must be physicaly seperated
19:10
<RevShaft>
Crap.
19:10
<khildin>
and VLAN is physicaly seperated too... but configured on 1 device (switch)
19:11
<RevShaft>
Didn't realize there was physical separation on a VLAN. Good to know.
19:11
I guess it makes sense.
19:12
Otherwise it's just a different subnet sharing traffic over the same wire.
19:12
Whoo! Edumacation. Thanks, guys.
19:13
<khildin>
lol
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<RevShaft>
I think I'm close. Using dnsmasq. DHCP is working, clients getting leases from the router...
19:54
Thin client boots, starts the Ubuntu booting screen, but dumps out to busybox just when the login screen should appear.
19:55
I ran ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image after changes to the NIC address.
19:55
And restarted the nbd service
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<RevShaft>
Nevermind. Got it.
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<Hyperbyte>
RevShaft, nice. :)
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