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Channel log from 15 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<Ryan_>
Hello. after some help with Muekow Debian Etch
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<IRCzito>
???
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:(
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<LarryP>
has anyone had problems with the ltsp-update-sshkeys? I get a lot of errors when running that script
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<bgomes>
IRCzito: u dont have help :(
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<IRCzito>
No :(
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and not in #kernel :(
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<tsw>
Hello everyone
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<arowanaj_>
Hi! Do some of u ppl got any problem with thin clients? In my case a white frame appear when I try to login, and after a while the loginscreen come back. Guess that I have some problem in xorg.conf or lts.conf?
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<tsw>
its been a while since I used ltsp, but I bet xorg.conf. check some logs to be sure
06:10
there was some video streaming solution built on top of ltsp, would someone refresh my memory with a url >(
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:)
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(not used to this keyboard yet)
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<cliebow_>
jammcq, did you know that dbus supports tcp connections would you elaborate on that a bit jammcq?implications?
06:12
al ittle later on..
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<ogra>
cliebow, do you have a nice howto about running x11vnc as a system service on thin clients ?
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<cliebow_>
ogra: there is the piece on wiki.ltsp.org in exsxperimental..
06:16
<ogra>
ah, cool
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<cliebow_>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc
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<ogra>
i just need something i can point users to, we didnt manage to automate that part in thin-client-manager yet
06:17
so the admin needs to set it up manually
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<cliebow_>
i aM afraid so..never had much call for ir
06:18
the links are broken
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substitute 169.244.3.137 for 169.244.61.66...it is python 8`)
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sorry to say i didnt write it..just bastardized what was there
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<ogra>
hmm, that needs localapps and user interaction ...
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but its a good start
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<cliebow_>
it could easily be made to autologin no?
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the boss didnt want ti too open.
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<cliebow_>
jammcq: ill see ya from school...a one sentence explain how dbus and tcp connections are relevant would be nice 8`)
06:21
Hi!! byt the way
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<jammcq>
cliebow_: a message passing system between the client and server. things like 'USB stick has been inserted'
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<IRCzito>
somebody can help me??
06:22
<jammcq>
IRCzito: dunno what your problem is
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<IRCzito>
How can I fix NETDEV HACHT DOV
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DOG
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<jammcq>
hmm
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<cliebow_>
ahhhhhhhhh..wow..that could be uesful..how about message to all terminals.."log out or die"
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<jammcq>
cliebow_: possibely for that too
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well
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cliebow_: it's not for sending messages to users
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it's a "system bus"
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<IRCzito>
I have machine, and this work in ltsp-4.1 bat in ltsp-4.2 an 5 this not work
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<cliebow_>
maye that ideA is easy with ltsp5
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<ogra>
cliebow, thats what TCM already does, but it uses its own TCP connection to forward the dbus messages
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<cliebow_>
a great addition it would be..
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<jammcq>
IRCzito: what kind of network card?
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<IRCzito>
Realtek 8139
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<jammcq>
hmm
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<ogra>
the nice thing is that pete has put all functionallity int python-tcm, so you can easily write your own proggies around that functions
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<jammcq>
the big difference between LTSP-4.1 and the newer (4.2 & 5) is that LTSP-4.1 used a 2.4 kernel
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<IRCzito>
the machine is k6-2 500
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<jammcq>
while the newer versions use a 2.6 kernel
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<ogra>
i.e. get a userlist, kill an app in the users session etc
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<cliebow_>
i HAVE to sit down and learn some python
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<ogra>
yeah
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<jammcq>
cliebow_: just keep working with Perl :)
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<cliebow_>
uh oh
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<jammcq>
anything python can do, perl can do better :)
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<ogra>
with python-ltsp for server and chroot maintenance and python-tcm for session management you will have full control easily
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<cliebow_>
i know just enought to be dangerous in perl..much less python
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that is awesome..
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<IRCzito>
I like python too
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<ogra>
you cant be dangerous in python easily, thats its big advantage ;)
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<IRCzito>
:D
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<cliebow_>
8`)
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<jammcq>
ogra: but then, where's the fun ?
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<cliebow_>
i should hack up something with python-ldap..it is how i got a lead into perl
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<jammcq>
IRCzito: ummm, can you try putting the NIC into a different slot?
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<cliebow_>
which is where network authenntication would come in for vlients huh
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<ogra>
jammcq, more and more professional gui tools ;) you can concentrate on bling and new features instaed of having to implement stuff over and over again ;)
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<jammcq>
sure, you would say that
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<ogra>
heh
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<IRCzito>
No
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<cliebow_>
like anything..pick the right tool
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for me either a bludgeon,excavator..or shovel
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err teaspoon
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<jammcq>
hey, whatever you are comfortable with
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IRCzito: ummm, I have to run right now. I'll be back online in about an hour, maybe I can help you then
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<IRCzito>
I go to try to change the card, and slot…
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<cliebow_>
after a while i can tie two or three teaspoons together and get something done..
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off to the races..
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<IRCzito>
thanks
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i'll be waiting
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<plamengr>
Hi, all! :) How do you specify a floppy as a LocalDev? I tried LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdc:cdrom
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LOCAL_DEVICE_02 = /dev/fd0:floppy in lts.conf. The CD is OK, but the floppy doesn't appear
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in LTSP5 :)
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<ogra>
you dont
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it gets autodetected or not ...
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while "not" is a bug
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<plamengr>
there;s no need for LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdc:cdrom?
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<ogra>
make sure to have localdevcie support enabled generally with LOCALDEV=True
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<plamengr>
yes, it is
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<ogra>
and that yu have the ltspfsd package in the client chroot and the ltspfs package on the server
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<plamengr>
yes
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<ogra>
beyond that, sbalneav is your man, he implemented the floppy parts in ltsp5
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<plamengr>
ok, 10x again :)
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
good morning
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4 * #ltsp
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<cliebow>
ogra..that same mount-proc prob comes up building a chroot in ppc feisty..i can fix it here..
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<cliebow>
ogra: i think i have a feisty ppc chroot to share..seems to be building now just fine
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<ogra>
cliebow, was that with the 5.0.2 package ?
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or 5.0.1 ?
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i dropped the mount-proc pulgin completely, it shouldnt happen anymore
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<cliebow>
err i did apt-get 5.0.2
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whoops
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it is 5.0.2
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for ppc
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: i burned edubuntu ... i test now to check the devices in the clients of ltsp 5 in of distro
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<cliebow>
ogra:i wouldnt mind having a look at tcm..which is python?
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<ogra>
yep
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wait until the current upload built ...
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i havent pused the bzr branch yet
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*pushed
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<cliebow>
great..
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i just built a feisty ppc chroot..no prob
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<ogra>
mount-proc was fine ?
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no complaints ?
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<cliebow>
after i fixed it
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i had both 5.0.1 and 5.0.2 in the archive..i assume it was using 5.0.2
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<ogra>
gah
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damned
09:02* ogra tries another ltsp-build-client
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<ogra>
we're already in beta freeze ... :/
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<lizk12>
terminal with matrox mga g100 agp Powerdesk wont boot, what can I write in lts.conf for xserver?
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<lizk12>
another computer with s3virge -dx/gh PCI (375/385 won't boot either.
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I changed xserver for both and I get differents messages of errer but still won't boot.
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<lizk12>
With XSERVER = XF86_S3V says: not found
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Can anybody help? I'm newbie at LTSP
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<bgomes>
lizk12: use auto
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<cliebow__>
jammcq:building a feisty chroot for ppc
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<ogra>
lizk12, which distro/ltsp version ?
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<lizk12>
k12ltsp fedora 6
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<ogra>
and how much memory has the s3 card ?
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note that below 2M likely wont work
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<lizk12>
I used auto but doesn't work.
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<jammcq>
lizk12: try XSERVER = s3v
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<lizk12>
I don't know how much memory it has but I have 3 pcs with the same problem.
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<jammcq>
or XSERVER = s3
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there is no XF86_S3V anymore
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<lizk12>
I'll try
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<jammcq>
that's the old xfree86 stuff
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which reminds me to call scotty again
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<ogra>
jammcq, i think its called s3virge :)
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<jammcq>
oh yeah
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that's it
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<ogra>
yeah
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<dem>
jammcq: non of the pci cards we tried in the reisers worked :/
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i guess i wasn't holding out, but it would of been nice
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<__Core__>
greatings evryone
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<forgue>
So i have an issue with an ltsp node on edgy... it PXEs fine, gets a kernel fine, and boots until it syas "IP-Config: eth0 hardware address ... mtu 1500 DHCP RARP" and then just hangs
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all my DHCP options are correct as far as i can tel
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<jammcq>
hmmm
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using Edgy's LTSP ? or LTSP-4.2 ?
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<forgue>
edgy's
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it works fine on whiprush's network, but not on mine... so I'm guessing it's DHCP or server configuration
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<jammcq>
hmm
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well, the next thing it does after ipconfig is NFS
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so, on your server, do this: showmount -e
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<forgue>
I've mounted /opt/ltsp/i386 from a different machine without issue
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Export list for anthracite:
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/opt/ltsp *
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<jammcq>
ok, check your subnet and broadcast entries in your dhcpd.conf file
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<Gadi>
forgue: are there multiple NICs in the client?
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<forgue>
Gadi: nope, just one -- just a sec jim
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<jammcq>
Gadi: hey
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<Gadi>
hey, jammcq
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hows it hangin?
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<jammcq>
hmm, how can I answer that....
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I got nothin
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<Gadi>
for me, its usually a little to the left
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<jammcq>
did you roll out that pilot project you were telling me about?
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<Gadi>
but im sure youd say 'off the grid'
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<jammcq>
:)
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<Gadi>
the museum?
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<jammcq>
speaking of off-the-grid, i'll try ringing scotty again
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yeah
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<forgue>
subnet is 255.255.252.0 and the broadcast address doesn't look set
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i'm still looking at our appliance
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<Gadi>
yea - they like - a few mods to the admin interface and using the new native Linux flash projector and they should have their ideal solution
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<jammcq>
forgue: hmm, yer not doing a class-c, so you probably should force the broadcast
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<Gadi>
God bless Adobe Flashplayer 9
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<forgue>
that's interesting, since based on an IP and a subnet, there can only be 1 broadcast address
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<jammcq>
how many did you want?
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<forgue>
well I'm trying to figure out why I should tell it
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<jammcq>
cuz it may not be figuring it out properly by itself
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<ogra>
ipconfig is initramfs ...
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not the chroot ...
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so its failing before nfs kicks in
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smells like a NIC /driver issue
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<forgue>
jammcq: this is one of the thin clieents jorge bought from you :-)
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and it works on his network
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<jammcq>
ah, so we know the thin client is good :)
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it's a T-150, ogra's got one of those
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<ogra>
yeah
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i work on t every day
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*it
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<forgue>
after the IP-COnfig:... it says eth0 link up 100full etc etc
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<jammcq>
ogra: you forgot "happily work on it"
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<forgue>
and tcpdump says it's getting a DHCP reply to the requests
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but it keeps banging away trying to get a lease
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<ogra>
jammcq, well, i'm *more happily* working with the 170 :)
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<jammcq>
it sounds like IP-Config finished its job, then it's gonna try and mount the root fs via nfs
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<ogra>
then you would see the usual error
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<jammcq>
hmm, it's still make dhcp requests?
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<forgue>
yeah
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<ogra>
and a complaint about /sbin/init
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"just hanging" sonds somewhat different
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<forgue>
it does : request -> reply -> request -> request -> ad infininum
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<jammcq>
ogra: bad broadcast causes googyness to happen, but i've not seen it on LTSP-5 to know how it shows up
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<IRCzito>
jammcq: I change de network card slot and and this fix de netdev wacth dog
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<ogra>
me neither yet
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<bgomes>
IRCzito: hi
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<jammcq>
forgue: does your dhcpd.conf have a root-path entry?
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<forgue>
yap
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<jammcq>
IRCzito: so its' working?
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<forgue>
root-path is "/opt/ltsp/i386"
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<jammcq>
forgue: how about you paste your dhcpd.conf file to http://pastebot.ltsp.org ?
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<ogra>
forgue, any you used /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to set that ?
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<forgue>
i've tried it with and without an IP
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DHCP is handled by an appliance
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<ogra>
ah
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<forgue>
it's shared by the rest of campus
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<IRCzito>
almost
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jammcq: now the error is: nfsmount need path
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<forgue>
I'll pastebin the tcpdump
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after TFTP
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<ltsppbot>
"forgue" pasted "12:40:17.669790 IP 0.0.0.0.boo" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/50
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<forgue>
that goes on forever
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<jammcq>
any chance you have another DHCP server on your network?
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<forgue>
no
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<jammcq>
although that shouldn't cause this problem anyway
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<IRCzito>
jammcq: I thought that the problem was in initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs but any alteration that I make in this archive does not happen nothing
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<bgomes>
IRCzito: your adsl modem dont have dhcp?
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<IRCzito>
No
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<jammcq>
forgue: how many nics in the server?
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<IRCzito>
bgomes: I use network card exclusive for the terminal (crosover)
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<bgomes>
IRCzito: really
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<IRCzito>
:D
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I am going for the work, I come back
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<forgue>
jammcq: just one
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jammcq: I'm going to lunch, but I have 1 more thing
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the client does a DISCOVER, then the DHCP server gives an OFFER
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<forgue>
then the CLIENT does a request, but the DHCP server never ACKs the request
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I wonder why.
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bbl
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<bgomes>
IRCzito: send me your dhcpd.conf
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<bgomes>
IRCzito: I look your dhcp.conf and you yout exports but and dont have a /opt/ltsp/debian_etch_i386 in your export
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<jammcq>
all he needs in his exports file is /opt/ltsp
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<bgomes>
jammcq: humm
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<IRCzito>
bgomes: /opt/ltsp 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync,no_subtree_check)
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When we go create LTSP5 Root-Tree for Slackware?? :D
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bgomes: ???
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:D
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<bgomes>
IRCzito: in this week
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<IRCzito>
jammcq: so, now my problem is “nsfmount: need path”. nfsmount uses path of exports?
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<cliebow>
ogra: fwiw..powerpc 2.6.20-10-powerpc kernel seems boerked..feisty chroot runs fine with 2.6.17-10-powerpc atleas t i get an x cursor
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<jammcq>
IRCzito: paste your dhcpd.conf file to http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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<ogra>
cliebow, -20 had some issues, BenC uploaded -11 today
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err
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20-10 and 20-11 indeed
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cliebow, i'll need to do beta release tests until i vomit over the isos during the next 10 days .... i'll try to find out whats wrong there
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<BarryAllen>
12:37
some tip?
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<jammcq>
BarryAllen: either your dhcpd.conf file doesn't have a 'filename' entry, or you have another DHCP server on the same network
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<ltsppbot>
"IRCzito" pasted "File: dhcpd.conf Error: “nsfmount: need path”" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/51
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<jammcq>
IRCzito: for LTSP-5, you need to take the IP address out of the root-path
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<BarryAllen>
jammcq... i have an filename entry... maybe someone put any new device in the network, with dhcp enabled, ill check...
12:39
for something, new
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<jammcq>
all you need is: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/debian_etch_i386";
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<ogra>
jammcq, thats actually something id like to fix between beta and release
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<jammcq>
ogra: I really wish you (or we) would fix that
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<ogra>
i'll come and pick your brain after beta is out
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<IRCzito>
jammcq: only "/opt/ltsp/debian_etch_i386"
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<jammcq>
IRCzito: yepper
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<ogra>
i think vagrant already had a good idea about it
12:41
jammcq, and for feisty+1 lets get rid of the second dhcp request
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<IRCzito>
I think, I go home to try this...
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<jammcq>
ogra: good luck with that
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<cliebow>
awww.no sweat...im just playing...anyway
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<ogra>
i think thats the slowing down factor
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<jammcq>
I don't
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<ogra>
s/the/the most/
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why ?
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it sends a second dhcp request and waits for a reply ...
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<jammcq>
what, for a few milliseconds?
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that's not the slowdown
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<ogra>
fi you dont have that request you will surely win 5-10 secs
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<jammcq>
pfff
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so, LTSP-4.2 boots in 22 seconds. are you saying we could shave off another 5-10 seconds ?
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and... that 22 seconds includes about 15 seconds of bios stuff
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<ogra>
i'm not talking about 4.2
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<jammcq>
ltsp-4.2 does the 2nd dhcp request
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why isn't it slow?
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<ogra>
ah
12:43
ok
12:43
no idea then ...
12:43
<jammcq>
heh
12:43
<ogra>
but i still think the second request is nonsense ... we already have the data
12:44
<jammcq>
it's a great idea to remove the 2nd dhcp request. I just don't think it'll work
12:44
how do you have the data?
12:44
pxe won't pass it along to the client
12:44
<ogra>
the initramfs has them
12:44
<jammcq>
the initrams has the IP address of that was obtained by the first request?
12:44
<ogra>
the first request you see is done from ipconfig in initramfs ...
12:44
<jammcq>
no, the first request is done by PXE
12:45
is Ubuntu doing THREE requests?
12:45
<ogra>
but ipconfig has this data available
12:45
no
12:45
<jammcq>
I don't understand how ipconfig can get the IP address from the first dhcp request that was done by PXE looooong before the kernel was loaded
12:45
<ogra>
the data i have gets handed to ipconfig to configure the device in te initramfs as i understand the klibc crap
12:46
<jammcq>
that's not how I understand it, but i'd love to be proven wrong about it
12:46
<ogra>
well, we'll need to investigate ...
12:46
<jammcq>
sounds like a good plan
12:46
<ogra>
thats why i want to do it in +1 :)
12:46
it will need time
12:46
<jammcq>
yep
12:47
shouldn't take more than a few hours to prove if the data is there, and proceed with a fix
12:47
(if it's really there) :)
12:47
<ogra>
additionally i have a request for having a whole system in the initramfs and to get rid of nfs
12:47
i'm not sure i like the idea
12:47
<jammcq>
well, that would be called "PXES" then :)
12:47
<ogra>
but there is someone pushing for it to have it in the code
12:47
<jammcq>
it's an interesting idea, but requires double ram
12:47
<ogra>
no, not PXES ... there is another project
12:48
<jammcq>
2x
12:48
<ogra>
some spanish or br guy
12:48
<jammcq>
there's a couple of them floating around
12:48
PXES was from a guy in Argentina
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<bgomes>
IRCzito: ssh to your home
12:48
<ogra>
yeah but this one has cnnections to mark :P
12:48
<jammcq>
ah
12:48
well then, we know it will get done :)
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<ogra>
i wont code anything myself, but will have to include what he sende (if he does so)
12:49
*sends
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<IRCzito>
bgomes: but i can see the boot of the terminal :D
12:50
<cliebow>
there does seem to be quite a pause after the network card comes up the second time..but in ppc i see scads of "malformed packets"
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before nfs really gets a hold
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<bgomes>
IRCzito: :P
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<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: I use ltsp5 under Slack11, next step, build de root-tree for slack too
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jammcq: thanks :D
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jammcq: the users of the ltsp-5 is not my system users?
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jammcq: I have to add the users in chroot?
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<jammcq>
no, you should be fine
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they aren't really logging into the terminal, they are logging into the server
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: go to work!!! :P what you do in home?
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<forgue>
if the IP of the NFS server isn't required in root-path, where does it get it?
13:18
next-server?
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<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: I try Ltsp-5 :D
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<bgomes>
forgue: next-server is for second request of dhcpd
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forgue: on startup of thin client
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<IRCzito_home>
jammcq: I don't understand, I can't loggin suceful, and
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successful 
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<jammcq>
IRCzito_home: did you run 'ltsp-update-sshkeys' ?
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<IRCzito_home>
some time ago
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<jammcq>
have you run it, since installing ltsp-debian-etch-i386 ?
13:25
try running it again, just to see if that clears it up
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<IRCzito_home>
I go to try again
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<forgue>
jammcq: the only difference I see between DHCP during PXE and DHCP in IP-Config is that the DHCP OFFER in IP-Config is from the server as a unicast and the dhcp offer in PXE is a broadcast
13:29
I have no clue why that would matter
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or even if that's the issue
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<jammcq>
seems odd
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<forgue>
ah
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which may be why it doesn't see it
13:30
<jammcq>
Unicast wont' work, for an offer
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<forgue>
because it doesn't think it has an IP yet
13:30
<jammcq>
the client doesn't know it's own address yet
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<forgue>
right!
13:30
yay!
13:30
<jammcq>
so why would it be doing it that way
13:30
check for a dhcp-server update
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<forgue>
like an apt-get update
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?
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<jammcq>
ya
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<forgue>
it's an appliance :(
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<nobios>
IRCzito: hello
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<forgue>
here's how it looks during ip-config
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<jammcq>
running edgy ?
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<IRCzito_home>
nobios: :D
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<forgue>
client does a discover to 255.255.255.255, server responds with an offer to 10.40.20.180, client sends infinite requests to 255.255.255.255
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<jammcq>
how did you install ltsp on an appliance?
13:35
<forgue>
ltsp is on edgy
13:35
DHCP is an appliance
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<jammcq>
ahhh, so it's prolly not even isc's dhcp server
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<forgue>
yeah, it's isc
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<IRCzito_home>
My ltsp-5 on (Slack11 + ltsp_debian_etch_i386 root tree) boots ok, only lacks the users loggin :D
13:36
<forgue>
but some web interface thing manages the dhcpd.conf
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<jammcq>
what's jorge using for dhcp ?
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<forgue>
windows
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<cliebow>
cd /etc/ltsp
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<forgue>
i can post the wireshark DHCP transactions if you care
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<IRCzito_home>
nobios: you think it's a problem: dhcpd: No hostname for 192.168.1.199
13:38
??
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<nobios>
IRCzito_home: it's not a real problem... but you should make a name for every machine that you intend to boot :) make's life easy
13:39
IRCzito_home: you should configure your dhcpd.conf
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<IRCzito_home>
jammcq: On my syslog: Accepted password for bia from 192.168.1.199 port 4917 ssh2, but the login is not successful
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<jammcq>
IRCzito_home: do you have a desktop environment installed on your server?
13:41
also, go into the home directory on your server, for that user, and look at .xession-errors
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<ogra>
IRCzito, check ~/.xsession-errors
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<IRCzito_home>
I think, no.. ok, thanks
13:50
How can I see logs of the terminal?
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<cliebow>
can you ssh in?
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otherwise you can do screen_02=shell
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and use ctrl alt f2 to get a shell.
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sain an lts.conf
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<IRCzito_home>
I use ltsp5
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<cliebow>
make an lts.conf..
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[default]
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SCREEN_02=shell
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right..gents?
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<jammcq>
SCREEN_07 = shell
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i'm thinking the problem is that he's running slackware, and the 'xession' script doesn't exist
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ogra: what's the name of the command that ssh is trying to run?
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: enable syslog remote login and the terminal send for your server machine
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IRCzito_home: * syslog remote
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<IRCzito_home>
jammcq: I have gnome 2.16.3
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<cliebow>
thank you for correction..will noot ctrl alt f2 work thaty way?
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<ogra>
jammcq, /etc/X11/Xsession
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<jammcq>
IRCzito_home: do you have a script on your system called '/etc/X11/Xsession' ?
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<IRCzito_home>
jammcq: root@dragon:~# locate Xsession
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/etc/X11/xdm/Xsession
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/etc/X11/xdm/Xsession.orig
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/etc/gdm/Xsession
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<ogra>
aha
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<jammcq>
heh, there ya go
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<cliebow>
oho
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<IRCzito_home>
maybe if I make link...
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<jammcq>
yep
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<IRCzito_home>
of the /etc/gdm/Xsession
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<ogra>
or set LDM_REMOTECMD in lts.conf
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<nobios>
IRCzito_home: the remote syslog he's referring to is made adding a -r to syslogd when it starts in: /etc/rc.d/rc.syslog
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<ogra>
and make it call gnome-session directly ...
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<IRCzito_home>
nobios: I go make it now
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<IRCzito_home>
ogra: I try make a link first
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<lizk12>
I have problems with some terminals. When they appear to be showing the login screen, after some seconds black ,this wont appear and instead there's a lot of text saying I have to check Xorg for the latest version and bla, bla...
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I'm running K12Ltsp fedora 6
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<AMSmith42>
Is there a special place I set the client desktop resolution?
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<lizk12>
lst.conf
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<nobios>
IRCzito_home: are you documenting all the changes made? :P so latter we can support slackware?
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<AMSmith42>
Thank you.
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<IRCzito_home>
nobios: yes, on gedit :D
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: :) good boy
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<IRCzito_home>
nobios: When I fish I send e-mail for you...
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<nobios>
IRCzito_home: thanks, then latter I can test it and we can make some cute changes :)
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: U save the gedit file? hehehe
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<nobios>
only jesus saves
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<AMSmith42>
Silly question: Where can I find lst.conf?
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<nobios>
AMSmith42: take a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
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<AMSmith42>
Thank you.
14:18
Hmmmm
14:18
I don't see it there.
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Let me take a closer look.
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<ogra>
AMSmith42, then you are using ltsp5
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it doesnt need that file ...
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just create it ...
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<AMSmith42>
Ah. Create it to change the client desktop resolution?
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<nobios>
yeah
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<ogra>
which distro ? in ubuntu ou need to set the right X_HORZSYNC X_VERTREFRES values, it will compute the resolution ... debian supports XMODE ....
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<AMSmith42>
Ubuntu
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<AMSmith42>
So, the obvious question, how do I determine the correct values?
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Looking ahead, right now I'm using a CRT. What happens when I switch to an LCD later?
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<jammcq>
AMSmith42: the video card, the monitor and the Xserver are all supposed to work together, to determine the best settings for that combination. Sometimes though, especially with old monitors, it can't make the right choice
14:28
that's when we have to help it out
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newer monitors *should* work better
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<AMSmith42>
Thank you.
14:29
Yes, it is an older monitor.
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That being the case, I'm not too concerned about getting the correct resolution then.
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Thank you.
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<IRCzito_home>
I go to come back to the work, I have things to make in python. Ltsp-5 is very good!
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<IRCzito_home>
jammcq: thanks one more time. I do not know if you remember but still I am having you a beer: D
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<jammcq>
heh, ok :)
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<IRCzito_home>
nobios: of night sending the email with the steps used pra to make ltsp5 to function in slackware
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: send me too
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<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: for you also
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<jammcq>
IRCzito_home: is it working now?
14:37
<IRCzito_home>
:D
14:37
<nobios>
jammcq: where the brazilians that take a beer in porto alegre... before the fisl! last yera
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year :)
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<jammcq>
nobios: yeah, I remember
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that was great. will you be there again this year?
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<IRCzito_home>
I go
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<nobios>
jammcq: I can't... I had a baby :)
14:38
<jammcq>
WOW
14:38
<IRCzito_home>
I do not resist although to be broken
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<bgomes>
nobios: tanks... go!
14:39
<nobios>
bgomes: lets :)
14:39
bgomes: I can't afford it right now... sorry... it's not only the money, it's the time..
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<bgomes>
bgomes: :(
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<nobios>
Maybe I can make a clone :)
14:42
<bgomes>
nobios: if u need help for make, I am here :)
14:43
<nobios>
hehehe.. that will be a good project ;) we can make some clones of jammcq too and then we can have ltsp spread all over the world
14:43
<bgomes>
nobios: hahaha
14:43
<nobios>
so, let me get back to work too.. :)
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jammcq: will be showing of more often... thanks again
14:44
<bgomes>
nobios: ok, I am too
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<nobios>
bye all..
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<AMSmith42>
Is there anything definitive on Mhz/client a server should have?
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<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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<AMSmith42>
Thank you.
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<nonsparker>
hello
15:52
can some one help me with an error?
15:53
every time I try to boot a client the tftp throws a arp error
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<nonsparker>
hello
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can some one help me?
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Aha.
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<nonsparker>
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I don't know the procedures here but i would like some help
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<Megant__>
What finally?
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<nonsparker>
some one responded
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<Megant__>
Aha, forget it.
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<str4nd>
Flooding isn't solution.
16:08
<nonsparker>
than what is?
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<str4nd>
Waiting.
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Or Google!
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<nonsparker>
ok will you help me?
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<str4nd>
No.
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<nonsparker>
then why are you here?
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<Megant__>
Why are you here?
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<nonsparker>
for some help
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<Megant__>
Are you going to help someone?
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<nonsparker>
if i had the knowledge i would
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do you need help with some thing?
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<Megant__>
Not at the moment.
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<nonsparker>
do you know about tftp errors?
16:11
<Megant__>
Maybe, but I'm going to sleep.
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<nonsparker>
come on I just would like some help
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I'll just flood till some one elses notices
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are there any good natured people in here?
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<bricode>
nonsparker: You aren't helping yourself...
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<nonsparker>
well
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will you help me
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why is this channel even here if people don't talk?
16:17
<bricode>
People do talk, but most have gone home.
16:17
<nonsparker>
ok
16:17
how do i get some interactive help then
16:18
<bricode>
Well, start by describing your problem.
16:18
<ogra>
by not being annoying to everyone through spamming the channel
16:18
<bricode>
Also that.
16:18
<nonsparker>
I am getting pxe-e11: arp time out errors
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on my client
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<bricode>
Okay. Good start. Now OS? Client type? Network card?
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<nonsparker>
client is a vm on an esx server
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server is k12ltsp default install
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if you can just point me in the right direction I will be out of your hair
16:21
the client gets an IP from dhcp then the error occours
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is that enough info?
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<bricode>
nonsparker: Is the VM client on a different box than the server? Attached through a router?
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<nonsparker>
no they are on the same box connected thru a virtual switch
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i have googled for hours and found nothing
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<bricode>
I don't have much experience with PXE and VM's. jammcq may have more for you if he's around.
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<cliebow_>
but not if you spam the channel..we all work for a living..
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<nonsparker>
i have installed ltsp on an ubuntu machine and it worked fine
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Yeah I do to
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that is what I'm doing now
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is there anything in the dhcpd.conf or any other config files that would make this happen?
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<cliebow_>
you can use pastebot.ltsp.org to paste your dhcpd.conf..10 to 1 it has summat to do with vm..
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<nonsparker>
does ltsp and vm not play nice?
16:31
<cliebow_>
well jammcq ids authority on that..
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<nonsparker>
ok well
16:31
thank you very much for all your help
16:32
when is the best time to come on here and not have to spam to get a response?
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<nonsparker>
are most people on the east coas?
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t
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<bricode>
Most people check in here during the day to see what's up and leave an IRC window open.
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<nonsparker>
ahhh ok
16:33
<bricode>
People are from all over, but Eastern, or Europe.
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<nonsparker>
thanks
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<bricode>
Eastern, North America that is.
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<cliebow_>
spamming is counter productive...just pisses people off..
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<nonsparker>
ok
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ok I won't do it again
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thank you for your help!
16:35
<bricode>
nonsparker: Here's a hint from Linuxgazette: Try arp -d $IPADDR on the Linux side of things. Then try running tcpdump -e -v to watch the ARPs
16:35
Make sure that your virtual client's MAC address always gets a certain IP address, and you can monitor things to make sure they're happening correctly.
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Unfortunately that's the only lead I can provide.
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<nonsparker>
ok do you have a link?
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<bricode>
http://linuxgazette.net/103/TWDT.html - it's in the comments.
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<nonsparker>
thankyou
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<bricode>
ogra: Tried doing an ltsp-build-client --workstation --base /whatever and I got a Permission Denied when trying to do a chroot /whatever mount -t proc proc /proc. Any ideas?
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<ogra>
sudo ?
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<bricode>
as root. Does it matter?
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<ogra>
n
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<bricode>
oh. Okay. I'll keep playing with it.
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: hi
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<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: hello :D
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<erdinc>
hi everyone
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<Ryan_>
Hi everyone, Anybody got time for some help with a muekow debian etch thin client problem?
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<petre>
anyone know how to make sound work on an ebox 2300 tc?
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<gonzaloaf_laptop>
I used to be g333k, now I'm gonzaloaf :p
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<petre>
jammcq: ping
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<jammcq>
petre: hey
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vagrantc: hey, how'd the presentation go yesterday?
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: pretty good overall!
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<petre>
I just one of those ebox 2300 TCs today!
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small, cool, quiet--pretty nifty
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: i brought that little thin-client you gave me to use for a demonstration. people were very interested
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<jammcq>
petre: cool. i've heard they don't work so well with LTSP-5
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<petre>
well, sound isn't working with 4.2
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<jammcq>
yeah, you need the sis 7019 audio driver
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it's not in the Linux kernel
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<petre>
lspci says it's a SiS 7019
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<jammcq>
yep, that's what I said
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<petre>
so...I load that with a SMODULE statement?
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<jammcq>
well, you have to get the 7019 driver module. somebody on the list built it
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<petre>
that was my next question: where do I get the driver?
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is it on the wiki?
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<jammcq>
hmm, dunno
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a quick search would tell yo uthat
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<mistik1>
Jimbo
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<jammcq>
hey mistik1
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<mistik1>
sup my brother
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<jammcq>
not so much
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<petre>
found the driver on the wiki!
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jammcq: we're having NCLS at a college this year
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we'll be in a nice big auditorium where we can have a whole bunch of clients setup in the back
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ya gotta come!
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nice cushy seats
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with small foldout tables, that will hold a laptop well
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<petre>
gotta go
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<bricode>
Anyone have problems with chroot getting munges?
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err, munged.
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<vagrantc>
bricode: could you be more specific?
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<bricode_>
Grr. Silly router.
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I run (as root) chroot /opt/ltsp and get "cannot run command /bin/bash: no such file or directory"
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<vagrantc>
bricode: you probably want chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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where i386 is the architecture you are running
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<bricode_>
vagrantc: Same deal with that path.
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<bricode_>
It's as if my chroot environment doesn't have a PATH or something.
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<jammcq>
bricode_: why are you running it like that?
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you want /opt/ltsp/i386, not /opt/ltsp
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or whatever your directory is called
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<vagrantc>
bricode_: find /opt/ltsp -type f -name bash
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<jammcq>
nite all.
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<bricode_>
Wow. The wireless totally keeled over on my router.
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Well, it appears to be working now. Thanks for the help.
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