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Channel log from 21 May 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<envite>
Hello all from Spain
05:10
Hola a todos desde España
05:10
<vagrantc>
Hola a todos desde España tambien
05:13
<envite>
:)
05:13
Yo desde Canarias
05:13
¿y tú?
05:13
<vagrantc>
ahora, madrid
05:15
<envite>
la capital :)
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<cliebow>
Hola a todos desde maine tambien
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<envite>
Hello Cliebow
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<cliebow>
8~)
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<mhterres>
morning
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<envite>
morning
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<jammcq>
g'morning
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<Lumiere>
!j
08:29
<ltspbot>
Lumiere: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
08:29
<Lumiere>
haha
08:29
hi jammcq
08:32
<jammcq>
howdie
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<cliebow_>
howdie
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<pedrolo>
hi all
08:50
in my client not respondig keyboard. Only key 2 3 4 and 0 recognize
08:50
why? please
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<Blinny>
jammcq: Any luck w/ that i810 buggy?
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<jammcq>
Blinny: I don't have any i810 clients. if it's gonna get fixed, someone else will have to step up and take care of it
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<pedrolo>
in my client not respondig keyboard. Only key 2 3 4 and 0 recognize why? please
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<Blinny>
jammcq: What would you suggest I do to contact that someone & give details?
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<Gadi>
Blinny: whats the problem?
09:55
<cliebow_>
Gadi!!!!
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<Gadi>
cliebow_: !!!
09:56
morning
09:56
finish the calendar?
09:57
<cliebow_>
yeah..it feels a real kludge though
09:58
it worked just great unless the month started on Sunday
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<vagrantc>
ogra-classmate: i have higher screen resolution than you!
09:59
<Gadi>
cliebow_: /me thinks you should work out the math first and the programming second
09:59
<ogra-classmate>
:P
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<sepski>
nfs export for /opt/ltsp/i386 subtree check or not ?
10:00
<vagrantc>
sepski: i've wondered that ever since that warning message started popping up
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<sepski>
its exported with no_root_squash
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<Blinny>
Gadi: I have a reproducible crash using an i810 video in a thin-client setup.
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<sepski>
and man page say subtree checking is also used to make sure that files inside directories to which only root has access can only be accessed if the filesystem is exported with no_root_squash (see below), even if the file itself allows more general access.
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<sepski>
but i dont grasp that sentence
10:01
<cliebow_>
Gadi: id perhaps have been better off starting form scratch than hacking someone elses html..
10:01
<vagrantc>
sepski: neither do i, which is why i haven't figured out what to do :)
10:02
<Gadi>
Blinny: you mean X won't load?
10:02
<sepski>
vagrantc, since /opt/ltsp/i386 is not a fs by itself (on my machine) ill use subtree checking
10:02
<Blinny>
Gadi: The problem is (I think) that the BIOS does not properly report available video ram, nor does it allow for changing the amount. It has 1024k, which apparently isn't enough to run the i810 server (and X won't load). If you specify X_VIDEORAM=4096 or some other amount, loading up a big page in firefox will cause a xserver crash.
10:02
<vagrantc>
sepski: well, i *think* it's not talking about the underlying filesystem
10:03
<Gadi>
Blinny: LTSP 4.2 or 5?
10:03
<Blinny>
Gadi: 4.2
10:03
Gadi: I'm guessing specifying the VIDEORAM allows X to start, but then the big page in firefox will write mem out-of-bounds, causing the crash.
10:03
<Gadi>
i810 uses shared RAM
10:03
<Blinny>
Gadi: Unfortunately I'm not the only one getting it, either.
10:03
Yes, it does.
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<Gadi>
for video
10:03
so, make the Viseoram much higher
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<Blinny>
That does not have an effect.
10:04
The test box is on my desk. Lemme fire it up and give some examples.
10:04
<Gadi>
did you verify that it is memory
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<sepski>
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<Blinny>
Gadi: I don't understand the question. You mean using memtest?
10:05
<Gadi>
Blinny: also check ur BIOS setting
10:05
<Blinny>
Gadi: This BIOS does not allow for tuning video ram.
10:05
<Gadi>
really? hmm...
10:05
does it not crash if you use vesa?
10:05
<Blinny>
I even upgraded to the latest revision. Dell BIOSs suck.
10:05
<vagrantc>
sepski: well, the default behavior is "subtree_check", and it hasn't seemed to cause any problems
10:05
<Blinny>
Doesn't crash if I use VESA, however I can only go up to 800x600
10:06
<sepski>
vagrantc, indeed
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<vagrantc>
sepski: could just experiment with no_subtree_check and see if bad things hapepn
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<Gadi>
Blinny: seems i810 is not taking the RAM it needs from system memory
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<Gadi>
unless ur running out of system memory
10:07
<Blinny>
Gadi: Right
10:07
Gadi: I'll boot now w/ no lts.conf options.
10:07
Gadi: This client has 256MB. I have ten or fifteen identical boxes; So far I've tested three. All three exhibit the same trait.
10:08
<Gadi>
also, do you know the exact chipset?
10:10
<Blinny>
Gadi: No, but I'm sure I could find it out.
10:10
One sec. When I don't specify X_VIDEORAM it uses all 256 and takes awhile to crash.
10:11
<Gadi>
drop into a shell and run: lspci
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<Blinny>
If I specify 4096, 8192 or some other then it's a quick crash.
10:11
<Gadi>
well, gee, make it crash, why don't you? ;)
10:11
and im sure it doesnt use all 256 ;)
10:11
otherwise you'd crash pretty quickly
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har har har
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<Blinny>
Indel Corp 82810E DC-133 graphics memory controller hub. SMBus: Intel Corp 82801AA
10:12
:s;del;tel
10:13
Also takes a lot longer to crash if Javascript is disabled.
10:14
If I specify X_VIDEORAM, and switch to shell during page rendering, it doesn't crash until I render another page.
10:16
Okay. I took out the radeon I was testing in there. Booting now w/ VIDEORAM=4096
10:18
OK. Crash occurred about 2 seconds after page load.
10:18
'xserver failed, press <enter> to continue'
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<Gadi>
what resolution?
10:21
and color depth?
10:21
<Blinny>
Default - 1024x768 and 16-bit
10:22
<Gadi>
and you have no control over video in the BIOS?
10:22
<Blinny>
Specifying 8192 actually causes the crash prior to the page finishing loading.
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<Gadi>
bad memory?
10:22
<Blinny>
Gadi: Nope. All I have is either a device selection. 'Onboard' or 'Auto'
10:23
Gadi: Perhaps, if other people with similar chipsets on different machines also have similarly bad memory.
10:25
There we go. Taking out the VIDEORAM setting caused a crash after the 2nd page loaded
10:25
<Gadi>
can you disable DPMS in the BIOS?
10:25
if you can disable any power management stuff, that may help
10:26
<Blinny>
No. I only have 'auto power on' (disabled) and 'remote wake up' (off)
10:28
Hmm. That time I disabled java & javascript and it still crashed immediately. FUN
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<Gadi>
try: X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "VBERestore False"
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<Blinny>
w/ no other options specified? (I'm thinking of videoram)
10:29
<Gadi>
right
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<Blinny>
Nope, crash after page load & mousing over a image
10:30
Unfortunately, due to the full-stop I can't see what's happening in xorg.log
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<Gadi>
at the shell, also check that the agpgart module is loaded and that there is no DPMS option in the /tmp/XF86CONFIG.1
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<Blinny>
One sec, lemme boot again
10:32
modules are extmod, glx, freetype and type1
10:33
This is interesting. VideoRam is 4096, though I didn't set that in lts.conf
10:33
There is nothing about DPMS.
10:34
So, no agpgart
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<Gadi>
lsmod|grep agp
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<Blinny>
Nothing
10:34
X_MODULE_01?
10:35* vagrantc wonders how ltsp5 would work with this same video card
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<Gadi>
hmm
10:35
<Blinny>
vagrantc: Unfortunately I dunno if ltsp has anything to do with this.
10:35
<Gadi>
try: MODULE_01 = "intel_agp"
10:35
and reboot
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<vagrantc>
Blinny: yes, well, testing a different X implementation would be one way to determine that
10:36
<Blinny>
not found
10:36
<Gadi>
interesting
10:36
<Blinny>
vagrantc: This problem rolled over from FC5->FC6 (k12ltsp that is)
10:36
<Gadi>
how about MODULE_01 = "agpgart"
10:37
<Blinny>
booting
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<vagrantc>
Blinny: you mean it's always been a problem, or upgrading caused the problem?
10:37
<Blinny>
not found
10:37
<Gadi>
Blinny: somethings fishy
10:37
<Blinny>
vagrantc: It was a problem in both FC5-based K12LTSP and, now, FC6-based K12LTSP
10:38
Gadi: That's MODULE_01 not X_MODULE_01, correct?
10:38
<Gadi>
right
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<vagrantc>
did fc5 k12ltsp use an older version of ltsp?
10:38
<Blinny>
The only agpgart file I have is '/opt/ltsp/ppc/lib/modules/2.4.22-2f/kernel/drivers/char/agp/agpgart.o' -- and this is a i386 machine
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<Blinny>
vagrantc: Unfortunately, no. Both are 4.2. I guess you're on the right track. I was thinking of the x11_driver_i810 packages
10:39
<vagrantc>
Blinny: well, i've given my suggestion. :)
10:40
<Blinny>
vagrantc: And I thank you!
10:40
vagrantc: Unfortunately this server does a lot of other stuff too. I'm inherently nervous about upgrades.
10:40
<vagrantc>
Blinny: sure... and there's no easy upgrade path ...
10:40
<Blinny>
Gadi: 'locate intel_agp' produces no files either.
10:41
vagrantc: Is that sarcasm or truism?
10:41
<Gadi>
locate intel-agp
10:41
<Blinny>
Gadi: Nothing.
10:41
<vagrantc>
Blinny: well, there's no simple way to upgrade from ltsp 4.2 to one of the ltsp 5 implementations.
10:41
<Gadi>
Blinny: somethings very fishy
10:41
<Blinny>
vagrantc: Ok. I really don't know. -- and so far, I've been in the Fedora corner because it's what I'm used to.
10:42
Gadi: This is a clean install of K12LTSPv5 upgraded (via ISO) to K12LTSP6
10:42
It's an x86_64 box.
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<Gadi>
try: find /opt/ltsp/i386|grep agpgart
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<Blinny>
vagrantc: I know a lot of folks here are working closely w/ Ubuntu (yourself included..?)
10:43
Gadi: nothing
10:43
<vagrantc>
Blinny: i've mostly worked on debian thus far
10:43
Blinny: but work closely with the ubuntu folks
10:43
<Blinny>
vagrantc: Dig
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<Blinny>
Gadi: I suppose I should have those files?
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<Gadi>
well, they are kernel modules
10:52
in theory :)
10:52
<Blinny>
heh
10:53* Gadi doesnt know how k12ltsp does their pkgs these days
10:53
<Gadi>
maybe you can check that all is installed nicely
10:53
<Blinny>
Is that more than tangentially related to the i810 crash?
10:53* Gadi shrugs
10:53
<Blinny>
Gadi: Hrm. There's a rpm -qi or something that does that?
10:53
<Gadi>
i know that i810 often relies on agpgart
10:53
and more recently intel_agp
10:53
so, it could be related
10:54
i810 is a bizarre chipset, but it is one of the best supported in linux
10:54
<Blinny>
Lemme poll the k12ltsp list.
10:54
<Gadi>
it is ironic that that should be the one you have issues with
10:54
<Blinny>
Gadi: You're Gideon Romm, correct?
10:54
<Gadi>
when im not wearing the cape and tights, yes
10:54
<mistik1>
lol
10:55
<Gadi>
damn
10:55
I always give it away
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<Blinny>
heh
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<moa_>
Hi all, mind if I cut in and ask a question?
10:56
<Gadi>
not cutsies
10:56
;)
10:56
er s/not/no
10:56
<moa_>
:)
10:56
Well then, I'll troll this channel until it's answered for me!
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<Blinny>
If the agpgart.o were there, where would it be?
10:57
kernel/drivers/char/agp?
10:58
<Gadi>
moa_: well, when u put it that way, whats up?
10:58
Blinny: indeed
10:58
<moa_>
ltsp 4.2, have alot of zombie processes. It seems to not be killing every users processes when they log out.
10:58
Any ideas?
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<Blinny>
moa_: On my K12LTSP I set 'PURGE_PROCESSES=YES' in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp
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<moa_>
Blinny: I forgot to add, this is gentoo with the ltsp ebuild.
11:01
<Blinny>
moa_: Then I forgot to add 'I dunno' (; Sorry mate.. My field of experience is fairly limited.
11:01
<moa_>
lol
11:02
Thanks anyways, I'll continue looking around.
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<Gadi>
moa_: add a login/logout script to pkill -u <user>
11:03
or optionally: pkill -9 -u <user>
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<moa_>
gadi: where would I call that script from? I've already got one built to kill them nightly(cron job).
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<Gadi>
moa_: I would call it from the display manager
11:06
so, in gdm: /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default
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etc
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<moa_>
Gadi: Thanks, that points me in the right direction.
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<Blinny>
Gadi: I may be bogged down in upgrade hell here. 'rpm -qa ltsp_ppc' returns 4.0.0-0.k12ltsp.2.4.2 version, while 'rpm -qa ltsp_i386' returns ltsp_i386-4.2-4.k12ltsp.6.0.0a
11:14
ltsp_ppc provides the agpgart.o file that is in /ppc/kernel
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<moa_>
gadi: any ideas for kdm?
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<Gadi>
moa_: check kdmrc to see what file it calls for Pre/Post sessions
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<Gadi>
ogra-classmate: ping
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<ogra-classmate>
Gadi: pong ?
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<Gadi>
any good tips for being able to test a PXE image in vmware to boot off a local feisty install (bridged eth0) without having to have eth0 actually plugged into somethin?
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<ogra-classmate>
ficonfig eth0 up ?
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*ifconfig
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<Gadi>
nah - it needs to be plugged in
12:00
not just configured
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<ogra-classmate>
nope
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<Gadi>
thats the annoying part ;)
12:00
<ogra-classmate>
not here at least
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<Gadi>
are you bridged?
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<ogra-classmate>
ifconfig with a static ip should work
12:01
nope, i'm using tun/tap here, bt i've seen bridged setups
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<Gadi>
nope - that doesnt work for me
12:02
need to actually physically plug in the cable
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<ogra-classmate>
so set up tun/tap instead ;) itrs easier anyway
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<jammcq>
Gadi: I'm wondering if mii-tool or ethtool can be used to force a connection type
12:10
maybe if you force 100mbs fdx, it might be enough to convince the driver that it's actually connected
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<ogra-classmate>
what kind of card is that ? i remember the setup i know uses a reaktek
12:15
*realtek
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<moa_>
gadi: I figured it out, everything in $KDEDIRS:$KDEHOME/shutdown gets executed on postsession.
12:35
<highvoltage>
jammcq: http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/16/cheap-pc-computer-tech-cx_ag_0516cheappc_slide_3.html?thisSpeed=15000
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<Blinny>
jammcq: Got it re: agpgart, thank you.
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<Gadi>
sorry, guys - long ph call
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<Blinny>
Gadi: There is no agpgart module because it's built into the kernel.
12:43
<Gadi>
k
12:43
1 sec
12:43
ahh
12:43
too many things...
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<joebaker>
On Ubuntu, I'm thinking of switching to KDM for our XDMCP sessions. I've googled high and low for a way to have GDM perform autologin to a specific useraccount for a specific IP address. This is drop dead easy in KDM. GDM has a way, but they force you to specify a unique script file for each username.
12:54
<vagrantc>
i'm pretty sure you can write a script to do whatever you want
12:55
<joebaker>
I think the GDM approach is a patched approach as well which isn't in most distributions.
12:56
vagrantc: I wouldn't object to the script approach if it was one script for all the logins, but it seems a bit much to have an individual script for each machine. Maybe I'm totally wrong in my impression though.
12:57
<vagrantc>
the stuff i've seen seems to be a single script for all users. but i haven't actually used it
12:57
<joebaker>
Maybe XDM would be a better, lighter weight approach.
12:57
<vagrantc>
autologin with xdm is ugly
12:57
<joebaker>
thanks vagrantc. Both tips will help a great deal in my searches.
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<vagrantc>
good luck
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<vagrantc>
i saw it posted somewhere on the k12ltsp lists, i think ... at the time it required a patch to gdm, but should be integrated upstream
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<Gadi>
joebaker: the script just needs to return a username on stdout
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<Gadi>
u're free to make a lookup table
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<joebaker>
ok. I think I could do that.
13:01
<Gadi>
most people are lazy and just output hostname :)
13:02
and then set username=hostname
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<Blinny>
Gadi: So, given that agpgart isn't an issue, do you have any suggestions for where I should proceed re: the i810 problem?
13:03
<joebaker>
The thing is that I only want certian machines to do this on. People in our accounting department would still face a password login.
13:03
<Gadi>
i would test the other clients as well
13:03
and make sure its not a bad RAM issue
13:03
joebaker: so, put that in the lookup table
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(ie dont print to stdout for the accounting guys)
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<BlackDark>
Hi
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<Blinny>
Gadi: I have two identical boxes for testing. They both exhibit the same behavior at the same times. (I just booted the 2nd one to be sure)
13:12
<BlackDark>
do you guys maintain a terminal hardware list ?
13:12
I would like to buy some terms for home
13:13
<Gadi>
BlackDark: there should be a list on the ltsp wiki
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<BlackDark>
Gadi, thanks
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<vykarian>
hi all
13:30
13:30
is there a option in lts.conf to adjust that speed?
13:31
<yanu>
ya, there is
13:32
<vykarian>
and that would be... ?
13:32
<yanu>
i'm looking :)
13:32
<vykarian>
tyty =]
13:34
<yanu>
XkbRules = xfree86
13:34
must be something the same as this ...
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<vykarian>
hmm..
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XDM_SERVER = 192.168.10.250
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...
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<yanu>
AutoRepeat =
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<vykarian>
SCREEN_01 = startx
13:37
<yanu>
delay is the time in milliseconds before a key starts repeating.
13:37
<vykarian>
XkbRules = xfree86
13:37
wow
13:37
<yanu>
AutoRepeat = 500 30
13:37
this is the default, see man keyboard
13:38
<vykarian>
so.. that XkbRules = xfree86 \n\r AutoRepeat = 500 30 in box session @ lts.conf could solve that?
13:39
<yanu>
think so
13:39
<vykarian>
13:39
<yanu>
no, you just add "AutoRepeat = 500 30"
13:39
<vykarian>
box @ 100 yards from here
13:45
<BlackDark>
what do you guys think about that terminal ? http://www.ewayco.com/51-embedded-systems-100-PC-mini-ITX-low-cost/12-mx-800mhz-low-cost-pc-embedded-system.html
13:53
<cliebow_>
BlackDark, juammcq has been working that term..there are probs i think still
13:53
<vagrantc>
is that the e2300 ?
13:55
<cliebow_>
i thin so..
13:55
<BlackDark>
it looks to be low cost, $125 but I don't have any idea about the exact price, US $ or TW $
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<vagrantc>
actually, that's got a much faster processor
13:55
<cliebow_>
BlackDark..i set out to order a test one..for 99..tiomje as shipping and a 30 charge to woire them the money i gave up
13:56
<vagrantc>
the e2300 has a 233MHz proc or something like that
13:56
<BlackDark>
http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-3800.htm
13:56
that one looks nice too
13:57
no distributors in Canada :(
13:57
<cliebow_>
jammcq was set to order some of the 200 meg models..\
13:57
<BlackDark>
there is one in NC
13:58
<cliebow_>
these are far more powerful.
13:58
<vagrantc>
cliebow_: we've spent so much time trying to get them to work decently...
13:58
<BlackDark>
I would like something with 800 mhz at least
13:58
I have some visara terms
13:58
<cliebow_>
vagrantc, those were the little ones werent they?
13:58
<BlackDark>
with a proc @ 233 mhz
13:58
<highvoltage>
vagrantc: hey there. are you still in Spain?
13:58
<vagrantc>
cliebow_: yeah, they fit right on the back of a monitor
13:59
<BlackDark>
it's limit acceptable with xdmcp
13:59
<vagrantc>
highvoltage: sure am :)
13:59
<cliebow_>
COOL idea..these have a via eden mobo..completely different
13:59
<vagrantc>
cliebow_: it has holes which fit perfectly with most monitor screw patterns... it must have been intentional
14:00
<cliebow_>
yes i am sure..those had a "vortex"mobo..
14:00
<BlackDark>
http://www.wdlsystems.com/modperl/view_services.cgi?r=detail&prod_num=1EBOXSL&aisle_id=799
14:00
$239 us
14:01
<cliebow_>
i dont know of anyone has tried these...
14:04
<BlackDark>
the audio chipset is VT1616, and the ethernet nic is vt6103
14:04
any known problem with those chipset ?
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<joebaker>
BlackDark: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5778694249.html I saw this which makes me think the ebox-3800 might be able to have 3D graphics accelleration under Linux.
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<vykarian>
yanu
14:09
http://pastebin.ca/500812
14:09
didn't work
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<vykarian>
can u see if that's correct formated:
14:09
?
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14:11
<Gadi>
vykarian: if this is LTSP 4.2, it should be: X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "AutoRepeat 500 30"
14:12
or some such
14:12
<vykarian>
trying that
14:12
thats 4.2, Gadi
14:13
<BlackDark>
joebaker, it has a mpeg decoder
14:14
so mythtv should be welcome on this box :) yes !!
14:17
<vykarian>
Gadi didn't work
14:17
another tip?
14:17
the keyboard input is very fast in xorg, when type b it prints bbbbbbbb
14:18
(when using old DIM keyboards)
14:18
<Gadi>
are you sure its the keyboard
14:18
have you tried a different type of keyboard?
14:18
<vykarian>
have 3 box with those keyboard in 68
14:18
the 65 with ps2 work frine
14:19
already changed the keyboard..
14:19
and when I boot out of X, that works normally
14:19
<Gadi>
I have heard on older hardware where having acpi and apm turned on can cause multiple hits on the keyboard
14:19
do they PXE or etherboot?
14:20
<vykarian>
etherboot
14:20
acpi/apm turned off
14:20
<Gadi>
ah
14:20
<vagrantc>
in bios, or in linux?
14:20
sometimes linux tries to outsmart the bios, in my experience
14:20
<vykarian>
linux, will check bios
14:20
<Gadi>
well, to get the Autorepeat working, you may have to create your own XF86CONFIG_FILE
14:21
or modify /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg
14:21
I dont think the stock script will add keyboard device options
14:22
<vykarian>
checking it out.. but i guess when these boxes borned ACPI was just plans
14:22* vagrantc makes a note to rename it X_CONFIG_FILE
14:25
<vykarian>
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
14:25
AutoRepeat "500 30"
14:25
at build_x4_cfg
14:26
<Blinny>
vykarian: I'm interested in your solution too; some of my older clients also have a similar problem
14:28
I think I need to ditch these older boxes and just buy a bunch of thin clients.
14:29
<moa_>
We have 25 thin clients. The work like a charm.
14:31
<Blinny>
moa_: What kind?
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<vykarian>
that didnt work
14:37
I'm not an expert in xorg..
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<vykarian>
but that configuration would apply too for ps/2 keyboard, right?
14:38
the repeating (c means cccccc) is only over old keyboards
14:42
<Blinny>
Wow. Is PXE much slower than Etherboot for booting clients?
14:44
<sepski>
Blinny, a tiny bit, but not much
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<Blinny>
sepski: A client I put one of jammcq's aopen NICs in would boot in 15-20 seconds. Switching to the onboard (same speed) that used PXE booted in around 3 minutes.
14:47
response when mousing around is pretty crappy too
14:47
This probably has to do more with the NFSOPTS I had to pass b/c I have a gig ethernet card in the server
14:48
<sepski>
probably
14:48
do you have nfs errors in the nfs server log while booting ?
14:49
<Blinny>
Yes, even after adding the MOPTS at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
14:49
So I tried NFSOPTS='-o ext'
14:50
...which got rid of the errors, but I haven't been able to find what that mount option is.
14:50
Wait, nevermind. Still errorring.
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<Gadi>
vykarian: you need to add in the keyboard section: Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
14:54
<BlackDark>
how can I contribute to the supported terminal list ?
14:54
my visara terms are working here, but they are not listed
14:54
so I would like to share my experience with those terms
14:55
<vagrantc>
Gadi: so, ogra says your LDM hacks to get unecrypted sessions don't work ...
14:55
<Gadi>
heh, he's wrong
14:56
but, im listening
14:56
:)
14:56
<vagrantc>
ok.
14:56
<Gadi>
they work both for me and at least one of my clients
14:56
<vagrantc>
i don't know the details, and haven't tried myself.
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<Gadi>
did he apply the patch I pastebot'd?
14:57
or try to hack it himself?
14:57
<vagrantc>
i don't know
14:57
<Gadi>
okey dokey
14:57
<yanu>
BlackDark: isn't there a section in the wiki?
14:57
<vagrantc>
Gadi: could you please put it into a bzr branch? :)
14:57
<BlackDark>
yanu, for visara ? no
14:57
<Gadi>
*sigh* - the problem is its a combo of 3 features
14:57* vagrantc doesn't have a pastebotvcs client
14:58
<Gadi>
if I can put the whole thing into 1 branch, then sure
14:58
but, I dont want to spend time breaking it up
14:58
<vagrantc>
Gadi: go for it :)
14:58
<Gadi>
ok
14:58
<vagrantc>
what are the 3 features?
14:58
<Gadi>
(I know how much of sticklers you are ;) )
14:59
<yanu>
BlackDark: i mean a section where hardware is listed, add it there ???
14:59
<Gadi>
3 features = "DirectX", autologin, LDM_SERVER
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: you should take a look at my most recent commits to ltsp ... "merge ubuntu" "sync with debian"
14:59
huge monolithic commits
14:59
<Gadi>
heh
15:00
now, I have to see I guess if my bzr branch is the right one to branch from ,right?>
15:00
I hate revision control
15:00
<vagrantc>
Gadi: LDM_SERVER i've been meaning to implement for ages.
15:00
<Gadi>
about as much as palm pilots
15:00
or any other organizer
15:00
<vagrantc>
Gadi: it's pretty much a one-liner, isn't it?
15:00
<Gadi>
yup
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<Gadi>
LDM_SERVER or
15:01
looks like a 12/13 character even
15:01
;)
15:01
<Blinny>
Thanks for the help today Gadi, vagrantc. Gotta fly
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<Gadi>
btw, my screenscripts were never merged
15:01
(not that Im complaining)
15:01
<vagrantc>
Gadi: hmmmm... you probably want to branch off of whatever is the closest to whatever you've actually applied the patches to
15:02
Gadi: now, own up to your complaints :P
15:02
<Gadi>
well, ive got a dir here called ltsp-mainline
15:02
dunno if thats the one
15:02
damn it
15:02
<vagrantc>
Gadi: you've applied the patches to what version of ltsp from where?
15:02
<Gadi>
feisty
15:02
release
15:02
<vagrantc>
so grab ogra's feisty branch
15:03
<Gadi>
pretty soon im gonna have so many copies of the same code, im gonna need another hdd ;)
15:03
<vagrantc>
make a new branch... we'll sort out the rest
15:03
that's what "bzr init-repo --trees" is good for
15:03
<Gadi>
do you have a link for ogra's feisty branch?
15:03* vagrantc digs up a link
15:03
<Gadi>
trees?
15:04
I hate this
15:04
<BlackDark>
yanu, there http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients ?
15:04
<vagrantc>
what's wrong with trees? you freakin ubanite!
15:04
<Gadi>
i believe thats urbanite
15:04
;)
15:05
<vagrantc>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/feisty-ltsp/
15:05
<yanu>
BlackDark: add yours there (i have no experience with this wiki, but it couldn't be hard to do)
15:05
<vagrantc>
maybe something like: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/feisty-ltsp/ gadi-and-his-crazy-ldm-features-ltsp
15:05
<yanu>
BlackDark: make an account, en push edit ...
15:06* efra is away: I'm out to lunch | Sali a comer
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15:06
<yanu>
BlackDark: i reacted on you sentence because no one else did, and i find it very usefull to share your knowledge ...
15:07
<Gadi>
bzr == bzr checkout, right?
15:07
er, bzr get == bzr checkout
15:07
<vagrantc>
bzr get != bzr checkout
15:08
branch == get == clone
15:08
co == checkout
15:08
co != get
15:08
<Gadi>
I really hate this
15:08
<vagrantc>
i don't fully understand checkouts
15:08
i think they're branches you can't commit to unless you can also commit to the mirror
15:09
<yanu>
Gadi: your not alone :)
15:10
<vagrantc>
Gadi: take your hate and ... ummm ... direct it somewhere useful :P
15:12
<Gadi>
heh, that's why I have a patch ;)
15:12* vagrantc switches ltsp to use git
15:13* vagrantc switches ltsp to use darcs
15:13
<vagrantc>
hahahaha... you'll never keep up
15:14* vagrantc switches ltsp to use mercurial
15:14
<vagrantc>
we could all just use whatever and use tailer to keep them all in sync!
15:14
er, tailor
15:14
<Gadi>
ok, now where can I put this new branch of mine?
15:15
<vagrantc>
anywhere the rest of us can get to it
15:15* Gadi looks for the magic launchpad incantation
15:15
<vagrantc>
Gadi: you have a launchpad account?
15:15
<Gadi>
i do
15:17
crap - i forgot how to do this
15:17
<vagrantc>
easy to do
15:18
<Gadi>
can i just bzr push to: https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/
15:18
?
15:19
<vagrantc>
you'd probably need to specify a specific branch name, at least ... but i don't really know
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: http://ddaa.net/blog/launchpad/bzr-hosting
15:26
maybe
15:27
Gadi: bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~account/product/branch
15:28
so maybe ... ~gadi/ltsp/gadi-and-his-crazy-ldm-features
15:29
<Gadi>
me thinks my ssh key must have changed
15:29
<vagrantc>
well that makes things easier.
15:29
Gadi: surely someone like you has a web server somewhere you can sftp to
15:30
<Gadi>
1 sec
15:30
im gettin there
15:35
silly Gadi doesnt read error msgs
15:38
<vagrantc>
it's bad for your eyes
15:39
<Gadi>
well, in theory its working now
15:39
will tell u when it finishes
15:39
not as speedy as good 'ole pastebot
15:39
<vagrantc>
but so much easier to use
15:40
i typically have a lot of problems getting patches from pastebots to cleanly apply
15:40
there's always some line wrapping problems
15:43
<Gadi>
https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: still working on getting the patches into the branch? :)
15:51
<Gadi>
https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp
15:51
thats the branch
15:52
<vagrantc>
it's identical to ogra's feisty branch
15:52
<Gadi>
?
15:53
how?
15:53
ldm should be different
15:53
<vagrantc>
last commit is 2007-04-25 by oliver
15:54
Gadi: bzr st(atus) ?
15:54
<Gadi>
ok try now
15:55
<vagrantc>
nothing new yet
15:56
Gadi: bzr revno
15:56
<Gadi>
one sec - pushing again
15:56
ok
15:56
how bout now
15:56
<vagrantc>
nada
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<Gadi>
revno = 522
15:57
<vagrantc>
there it is
15:58* vagrantc reads the commit message and shakes head
15:58
<markgreene>
Hey everyone. I just recently discovered the LTSP and I would like to know if it's easy enough to have computers boot into CentOS instead of Ubuntu
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15:59
<Administrador>
hola
15:59
<vagrantc>
markgreene: i don't believe CentOS has an ltsp5 implementation yet
16:00
<Administrador>
alguien conoce este error: pxe -e3a: tftp too many packages
16:00
<markgreene>
vagrantc: OK, so I have this right - I cannot run a linux terminal server for any distro that has not tarball ed the distro especially for ltsp?
16:02
<vagrantc>
markgreene: ltsp5 is built using the host distribution's packages ... so in theory a debian server will host debian thin clients, a centos server will host centos thin clients ... but nobody's done the work for centos yet, as far as i know
16:03
<Administrador>
hello, somebody speak spanish?
16:03
<vagrantc>
Administrador: un poco
16:03
<Administrador>
ok
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<Administrador>
haber si me puede ayudar
16:03
<markgreene>
vagrantc: OK thanks
16:04
<Administrador>
al arrancar el terminal me da este error:
16:04
<vagrantc>
!integration
16:04
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "integration" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
16:04
<vagrantc>
markgreene: that url explains it
16:04
<Administrador>
pxe -e3a: tftp too many packages
16:07
<Gadi>
PXE-E3A: TFTP too many packages. This message can mean one of two things. 1 – You are trying to download a file using TFTP that is larger than the allocated buffer. 2 – You started downloading a file as a slave client using MTFTP and the file increased in size when you became the master client.
16:09
probablemente tu tratas usar el "image" para Etherboot y es el error
16:09
<Administrador>
Gadi: como puedo solucionarlo
16:09
<Gadi>
el image de etherboot es mas grande y no es el image correcto
16:09
necesitas cambiar el dhcpd.conf
16:09
<Administrador>
16:10
<Gadi>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#dhcpd_conf_example
16:11
mira que hay "filename" diferente para Etherboot y para PXE
16:12
<Administrador>
ok voy a mirar
16:12
gracias
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<Gadi>
no hay de que
16:13
:)
16:13* Gadi just learned that expression from an intern
16:17
<markgreene>
So does anyone know if I can use ltsp4 to use centOS on the thin clients?
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<cliebow>
markgreene:sure
17:04
4.2 you want
17:05
or you can use tarballs bult on ubuntu
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<sahil>
hi my clients are getting a dhcp address from my server but i get a pxe error that says file not found
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<sahil>
any ideas
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<moa_>
do you have files inside /tftpboot/?
17:53
<sahil>
yes
17:54
i figured it out
17:54
<moa_>
What was it?
17:54
<sahil>
i put the kernel inside the workstation in dhcpd.conf
17:55
now im getting usb-uhci failed
17:55
but progress!
17:55
<moa_>
one step at a time
17:55
<sahil>
ha yes
17:55
any ideas with regards to that one
17:55
<moa_>
um, one sec
17:57
Nope, sorry. I'm sure someone else in here could offer more help than I can
17:58* moa_ is still searching though
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<vykarian>
hi all
17:59
can I change keyboard layout thru lts.conf?
17:59
I use a pt_BR ABNT2 and just can't set that..
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<vykarian>
already edited the build_x4_cfg for that
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<moa_>
vykarian: XkbLayout = "us"
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<sahil>
usb-uhci is the usb modules
18:09
<moa_>
vykarian: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/XkbLayout
18:12
sahil: I couldn't find anything for you. Sorry mate.
18:13
my time has come bye all
18:13
<vykarian>
moa_, does that work If I don't start a graphic session?
18:13
<moa_>
vykarian: give it a try and find out ;)
18:13
I've never tried it
18:14
<vykarian>
thats kinda a retoric question :(
18:14
I already tried all ways..
18:15
<moa_>
lol
18:15
<vykarian>
so I'm starting to think that is my input that ltsp is reading that's wrong
18:15
<moa_>
I'm not an ltsp expert..was in here earlier in the day asking questions myself.
18:16
gotta go, sorry
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<mistik1>
hola jammcq
19:19
<jammcq>
hey mistik1, how's it goin?
19:19
<mistik1>
Its going pretty well
19:19
Cant complain at all
19:20
<jammcq>
you watching the game?
19:20
<mistik1>
jammcq: Hey do you think you could open that imap port for this address
19:20
I was about to, watching Enterprise right now
19:20
<jammcq>
I can, but soon, i'll be moving some stuff around
19:21
what's your addr?
19:22
<mistik1>
69.114.245.233
19:23
<jammcq>
ok, done
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<mistik1>
jammcq: thanks
19:36
now i'm scared to login ;-)
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<mistik1>
jammcq: I'm still really pissed about the Phoenix series though
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<Faithful>
mistik1: I have a syntax error in killerwall
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<mistik1>
Faithful: how so?
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<Faithful>
[: 393: 0: unexpected operator
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./killerwall: 581: Syntax error: Bad substitution
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<mistik1>
are you using busybox or something?
22:44
those are simple echos *shrug*
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Faithful: what version is /bin/sh ?
22:46
Is it linked to bash on the machine running killerwall or something else?
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<Faithful>
well... don't know mistik1 I was trying to run it on fiesty
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<mistik1>
well look and see
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<Faithful>
I have to reinstall fiesty
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it seems none of the firewall distros have usbserial (which I need)
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