IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 31 December 2012   (all times are UTC)

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10:36
<engblom>
Could anyone point me to some documentation on how I can specify which clients should be thin and which should be fat?
10:36
I have been building a fat-client environment, but I still want some of the clients to be thin.
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12:57
<knipwim>
alkisg: you know how those languages work? those in /po
12:59
<alkisg>
Hi knipwim, what do you mean "work?" ... let me check...
12:59
<knipwim>
more specifically, is the ltsp.pot generated or made manually
12:59
<alkisg>
Erm... big story there, and I don't know all of it, but:
12:59
I think it's generated at build time by some of our scripts, vagrantc knows more about it as he also notifies translators whenever that's needed,
12:59
but I proposed and he agreed that it would be nice to move the translations to launchpad
13:00
Launchpad does have a problem in that it doesn't include the credits to all the translators in the generated .po files, but it does keep them online,
13:00
<knipwim>
would be a good "bite-size" task
13:00
<alkisg>
...but I think that's a small price to pay in order to have easy + many translations
13:00
<knipwim>
for new devs
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<alkisg>
I was very satisfied with epoptes translations, it got to 30+ languages in very few months
13:01
https://translations.launchpad.net/epoptes
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knipwim: did you also check this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1008237
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# To extract the strings to translate, use:
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# xgettext -L shell -k --keyword=_ -o - script
13:03
That would automatically include the strings in the ltsp.pot file
13:04
I think we already have that in the code, for ltsp-build-client...
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<knipwim>
i saw you made the bug, didn't look at the details at the time
13:10
how are the launchpad translations integrated in the epoptes package?
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<alkisg>
knipwim: launchpad pushes the changes to the epoptes trunk automatically
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There's also an option for manual syncing with the trunk, but I preferred the completely automatic method
13:11
<knipwim>
check, i see "Launchpad automatic translations update."
13:11
<alkisg>
So currently epoptes gets support for new languages without me doing anything at all
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<knipwim>
why do we even bother with the old method
13:12
<alkisg>
Beats me :)
13:17
!learn fat-internal-disks as `To allow anyone to access internal disks on fat clients, run this as root in your fat chroot or live session: sed 's/<allow_active>auth_admin[^<]*/<allow_active>yes/p' -i /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks.policy`
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<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
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<alkisg>
!fat-internal-disks
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<ltsp>
fat-internal-disks: To allow anyone to access internal disks on fat clients, run this as root in your fat chroot or live session: sed 's/<allow_active>auth_admin[^<]*/<allow_active>yes/p' -i /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks.policy
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<knipwim>
right
13:18
that doesn't feel hackish at all :)
13:19
<alkisg>
Normally, users in the admin group have full access, but people ask for non-admins as well :)
13:19
OK we need to map that to some variable like LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS... but probably a new one, not that one
13:58
Quoting vagrantc:
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http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2012-05-25
13:58
22:18<alkisg>And I hope we'll be able to use launchpad or some other web-based tool for translations some day, they're very handy
13:58
22:19<vagrantc>alkisg: i don't like that it doesn't properly credit the translators in the po files...
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quoting Phantomas:
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(03:53:47 μμ) Phantomas: if you put "message translator-credits" it automatically includes all the credits
14:00
==> so we should be able to convince vagrantc to accept moving all the ltsp translations to launchpad :)
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<Phantomas>
yep, but instead of putting them in the header of the file as comments, it includes them in a 'special' message with msgid 'translator-credits'
14:00
it's better that way, since you can get them in your application just by reading this message
14:03
actually, you probably *have* to include this string somewhere in the code to make the pot generator include it in the POT/PO files even if you don't use it
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<knipwim>
nice
14:06
if it is possible, we'll convince him :)
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<alkisg>
Phantomas: is the opposite possible? E.g. someone sends a translation traditionally with an email, can we tell launchpad to properly credit him?
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<Phantomas>
alkisg: He should upload the PO directly to launchpad
14:08
<alkisg>
Or, to manually edit "translator-credits", and tell launchpad not to erase entries that it doesn't know about
14:08
Phantomas: suppose he doesn't have a launchpad account
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<Phantomas>
otherwise you'll have to manual commit a changed translator-credits string in his language's PO
14:09
including his name
14:09
<alkisg>
That's ok, if launchpad then doesn't overwrite it
14:09
And another thing is about translations quality, launchpad translators might bypass loco teams etc, but I don't think that's a real problem
14:10
<Phantomas>
you can restict your translations to a team
14:10
<alkisg>
I think launchpad does support allowing only loco teams to edit translations, if we ever want that
14:10
right
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<Phantomas>
if you want to
14:10
yep
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so the user will have to be a member of this team to have rights to translate, otherwise you can only send suggestions
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and a reviewer/member of the team should review (accept/modify/delete) them
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<alkisg>
Good enough for me
14:12
<Phantomas>
yep, and it's pretty easy for the translators too
14:13
and for the reviewers...
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<alkisg>
sbalneav, stgraber, ogra_: here's a method to allow unmounting ltspfs mounts from nautilus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1094899
14:54
I can't commit it because I'm unfamiliar with the ltspfs source code and I don't know where to add the "uhelper=ltspfs" part, so if someone can help there...
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<sbalneav>
alkisg: OK, I'll have a look...
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<alkisg>
Thanks!
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<alkisg>
Happy new year everyone
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22:59* vagrantc waves to alkisg
22:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: nice work regarding nautilus umount!
23:11
<alkisg>
vagrantc: thanks, I think it'll work!
23:11
Let's see if sbalneav gets some time to commit it, it shouldn't take much hour...
23:12* vagrantc has been busy getting a proper kernel built for raspbian
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<vagrantc>
so that we can run ltsp with raspbian
23:12
<alkisg>
vagrantc: did you find any aufs/overlayfs support?
23:12
<vagrantc>
which make for fairly nice thin clients
23:12
<sbalneav>
I'll have a look tomorrow.
23:12
<vagrantc>
alkisg: none of the default kernels, but it appears to work now that i've rebuilt the kernel properly
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<sbalneav>
HNY to one and all!
23:13
<alkisg>
I've been testing cubox here, it's ok although I thought it'd be faster... it barely qualifies as a fat client, even with 1 gb ram, due to its cpu
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Maybe with armhf it'll be much better
23:13* vagrantc somehow read that as JNNY from JTHM
23:13
<alkisg>
HNY sbalneav
23:14
<sbalneav>
alkisg: past midnight in Greece?
23:14
<vagrantc>
if the hype is to be believed, armhf gives 10-30% speed improvement
23:14
<alkisg>
Yup, 1:14 here
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<sbalneav>
right. UTC+1
23:14
<alkisg>
+2 in the winter, +3 in the summer...
23:14
<vagrantc>
alkisg: does the cubox use the omap4 kernel?
23:15
alkisg: how's 2013 looking so far?
23:15
<alkisg>
They had an ubuntu image that I just dd'ed to its sd card... so I don't even know what kernel it uses, I was just checking it speed-wise
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<alkisg>
I got the new year's pie coin so I'm supposed to be lucky all year, lets see :D
23:16
<vagrantc>
alkisg: does that luck rub off on associates?
23:16
<alkisg>
I hope so :)
23:24
<vagrantc>
alkisg: is the proxydhcp support in dnsmasq only for PXE, or any dhcp server?
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: I don't think dhcp clients wait for proxy answers
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It's part of the pxe protocol
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E.g. dhclient, udhcpc etc all ignore the dnsmasq reply
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It would be possible to write a client to get the dnsmasq reply (it does reply), but I don't think any exists yet
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<vagrantc>
ah right