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Channel log from 13 February 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<FuriousGeorge>
hey all
01:15
<daduke>
FuriousGeorge: hey
01:18
<FuriousGeorge>
so, if my clients have some local storage, i dont really need ltsp... even if they dont, it's still possible to run a diskless station without LTSP... what do I /need/ ltsp for? is it mostly for administrating larger terminal services-based networks?
01:19
is it mostly to make administrative stuff easier, like adding users or setting policy?
01:23
<johnny>
that's why i use it
01:23
the 2nd
01:23
even for just 4 machines
01:23
4 clients
01:23
<FuriousGeorge>
johnny: ok, that makes a little more sense to me
01:24
in the typical ltsp setup, just X gets installed locally, then you run kdm on the remote machine, and pull its desktop/wm over.... is that accurate?
01:24
well, it gets loaded into memory, not installed locally
01:27
iow, xorg gets loaded into memory, then kdm? i would just try it myself, but i dont have the thin client yet
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<moldy>
i am going to run ltsp on an ubuntu server. which package(s) should i install to get a good (if possible, "polished") desktop environment for the clients? ubuntu-desktop?
03:14
<ogra>
either that or if you want something more lightweight than gnome xubuntu-desktop is fine as well
03:16
<moldy>
ogra: ok, thanks
03:17
i guess kubuntu-desktop is fine then, too
03:17
<johnny>
ogra any more work on local apps lately?
03:17* moldy has some kde fanatics around here ;)
03:18
<ogra>
johnny, none at all
03:18
moldy, sure
03:18
<johnny>
hmm..i'd really like to get OOo and firefox to run locally, that is all
03:19
<ogra>
johnny, then implement localapps :)
03:20
the design is done ... its just that nobody wrote the code yet
03:20
<rjune>
ogra: is there a way to have gcc tell me what the default path it searches for Libraries is?
03:20
not sure if you know or not, but I thought you might
03:20
<moldy>
rjune: should be in the manpage
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<johnny>
ogra i'll see what i can do
03:21
<ogra>
i could certainly find out, but then i worked through the night and have actually problems to even get the letters i type in order
03:21
<johnny>
still tryin to get sabayon to even work properly
03:21
<ogra>
johnny, i asked for freeze exceptions for sabayon and tuxpaint
03:21
<johnny>
and fighting loggerhead
03:22
for bzr
03:22
i wish i could do all that stuff and get paid.. :)
03:22
<moldy>
rjune: i think it's set at compile time
03:26
<rjune>
I thought there was a switch to diable it
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<senthil>
i configured all the things
03:29
<rjune>
-nostdlib
03:30
that's it
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<moldy>
rjune: ah, that's what you mean
03:30
<rjune>
Pascal_1: yeah
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<rjune>
gah, moldy
03:31
<ogra>
wow, thats one you cant even blame tab completion for
03:31
<rjune>
yes, I'm building a cross compiler for work, it's looking in the right place for headers, but the wrong place for libs
03:31
I can blame it. nobody would believe it though
03:31
<ogra>
heh
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<moldy>
;)
03:33
afk
03:34
<rjune>
anyway, it's looking in /usr/lib for libs, but I need it to look in /router-root/usr/lib for libs
03:36
<senthil>
i configured all the things
03:36
Now my client's will get DHCP from the server...
03:36
but when TFTP comes up, it times out....
03:37
can any one help me
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<ogra>
senthil, which distro and ltsp release ?
04:04
<johnny>
poor ogra
04:04
<senthil>
debian ltsp 4.2
04:06
<ogra>
you might need to set next-server in your dhcpd.conf to point the client to the tftp server
04:07
<senthil>
s i configured
04:08
<ogra>
well, i'm not of much help for ltsp4 ... its pretty obsolete (especially on debian and ubuntu)
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<alkisg>
Hi guys! On Edubuntu Gutsy 7.10 my clients take a long time to logon (minutes). I've read on the lists that it may be a DNS server fault. Question: why do I need a DNS server? My router (=existing DNS server) is on another subnet, the LTSP server has access to it (2 nics), but not the clients. Do I have to install a DNS server to my LTSP server? Can I work around it with option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; in lts.conf?
06:06
<moldy>
should a 100mbit link be fast enough to watch flash videos on youtube?
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<moldy>
ah, seems to be a local performance problem... good
06:12
<daduke>
moldy: yep. It depends whether you use ssh tunneled X traffic or not though
06:13
<moldy>
daduke: ubuntu uses ssh tunnelled X by default, right?
06:13
<daduke>
moldy: AFAIK it does.
06:13
<moldy>
daduke: and that will be too slow for flash typically?
06:13
<daduke>
moldy: LDM_DIRECTX = True in lts.conf disables it
06:14
<moldy>
daduke: right now the server is just too slow to play it (lags on the server locally, too) -- i am looking for graphics drivers right now
06:14
<daduke>
moldy: depends very much on the CPU of your thin clients and load on the terminal server
06:14
moldy: that too of course
06:14
<moldy>
daduke: assume cpu power is there -- the network link will be fast enough?
06:14
<daduke>
moldy: here youtube plays fine. there's a a/v delay tho
06:15
moldy: 100mbit does it no prob
06:15
<moldy>
daduke: hm ok. will need to test it... unfortunately, flash videos in the browser are one of the most important applications here
06:15
<daduke>
moldy: I can do VGA fullscreen
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<alkisg>
Hi guys! On Edubuntu Gutsy 7.10 my clients take a long time to logon (minutes). I've read on the lists that it may be a DNS server fault. Question: why do I need a DNS server? My router (=existing DNS server) is on another subnet, the LTSP server has access to it (2 nics), but not the clients. Do I have to install a DNS server to my LTSP server? Can I work around it with option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; in lts.conf?
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<moldy>
daduke: the video performance on the client is determined by the hardware/drivers on the server, right?
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<moldy>
i suspect that ltsp is not reading my config file, is there a reliable way to check?
07:02
<cliebow_>
moldy:where is it?
07:02
<moldy>
cliebow_: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
07:02
cliebow_: ubuntu 7.10
07:03
<cliebow_>
can you run ethereal and see that it downloads after the kernel/initrd?
07:03
<moldy>
cliebow_: i could, but i was hoping there was a method that demands less effort :)
07:04
<cliebow_>
a sec..
07:04
<moldy>
hmm, flash on the client runs ok now on the server locally, but is too slow on the client
07:05
<daduke>
moldy: not by the video drivers on the server, no.
07:06
<cliebow_>
does the client come to a shell if SCREEN_07=shell (ogra feel free to jump in 8~/)
07:06
<moldy>
daduke: ah ok
07:06
cliebow_: no it does not
07:08
cliebow_: i am trying again, this time running ltsp-update-image after the change
07:08
daduke: ok, so the drivers on the client determine video performance there... (now that i think about it, that makes sense)
07:09
<cliebow_>
moldy:that shouldnt affect it..huh..because your lts.conf "should" tftp download to client..it is fairly trivial to sudo apt-get install wireshark...
07:10
<moldy>
cliebow_: ubuntu has 2 lts.conf files. one contains a remark that one should use the other one and that if one does not, one needs to run ltsp-update-image :)
07:10
cliebow_: k, installing it
07:11
i tried setting "SCREEN_07 = shell" in both of the files
07:12
<cliebow_>
i see..if you alter /opt/ltsp/i386/* you must ltsp-update-image for the change to be included in the squashfs
07:13
<moldy>
yep
07:14
i thought there might be some kind of logfile...
07:17
cliebow_: hah, now it works
07:21
ok, so if i want to tell the client to use another video driver, i would create an appropriate xorg.conf file under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf?
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<Pascal_1>
hello
07:25
<moldy>
ok, so it seems the "old-style" lts.conf works, but the new one does not
07:26
hello Pascal_1
07:26
<daduke>
moldy: or just XSERVER = amd e.g.
07:26
<Pascal_1>
i installed ltsp on ubuntu gutsy, now everything works fine. I try to make authentication from ldap directory... it also works fine, i try now to mount user samba share with libpam-mount
07:27
the mount works fine but when the user disconnect the mount should umount and that doesnt works
07:27
it seem to be a bug specific of ubuntu with libpam-mount : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-mount/+bug/117736/+viewstatus
07:28
do you know if this bug going to be corrected ?
07:29
<moldy>
daduke: ah nice, thanks
07:32
daduke: hmm. the client is using the "nv" driver, which should be right. but flash performance is still crappy. any ideas?
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<senthil>
hi all
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<senthil>
i'm using ltsp 4.2 pkg and downloaded from ltsp.org.i am having rtl8139 NIC and i am using PXE booting,so at booting time it is giving kernel panic problem..possibly it is missing NIC driver..how to resolve it??
07:35
<moldy>
is there any comprehebsive documentation on the possible options in lts.conf?[1~
07:36
<daduke>
moldy: how about using the proprietary nvidia driver?
07:36
<moldy>
daduke: do i just need to set XSERVER = nvidia?
07:36
<daduke>
moldy: well I guess first you need to install the driver. doesn't come with most distros
07:40
<cliebow_>
moldy:the config possibles are in your chroot as sometyhing like lts_params.gz
07:40
<moldy>
cliebow_: thanks
07:40
<cliebow_>
ill get you a path here
07:42
<senthil>
where can i set
07:42
i am using rtl8139
07:42
<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "***** Switch on/off features (" (155 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/447
07:43
<Pascal_1>
any idea about my question ?
07:43
<cliebow_>
senthil, dont suppose you have two nics in that?
07:44
<moldy>
cliebow_: thanks. is there no option for the proprietary nvidia driver?
07:44
<cliebow_>
ummm
07:44
<senthil>
client side i am having rtl8139 ...
07:44
<cliebow_>
i dont know what nv will do
07:44
client side are there two nics in the client?
07:44
<senthil>
only one nic card
07:44
<daduke>
moldy: what do you mean 'option'?
07:45
<moldy>
daduke: the stuff like XSERVER
07:45
<cliebow_>
rtl8139 "should" rock!
07:45
<daduke>
moldy: of course you say XSERVER = nvidia, but it will only work if nvidia is installed
07:46
<cliebow_>
moldy: i suppose you could sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386..check ssources.list and install the proprietary drivers in the chroot..
07:46
<moldy>
daduke: ok, good. i just got irritated by that list cliebow_ pasted i guess :)
07:46
<cliebow_>
then ltsp-update-image
07:46
<moldy>
daduke: "nvidia is installed" means what exactly? installed inside the ltsp chroot?
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<moldy>
getting something to eat, back soon
07:48
<daduke>
moldy: of course in the chroot
07:54
<cliebow_>
Ever' mornin' the mine you could see him arrive
07:54
He stood [C] six-foot six and weighed two forty-five
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<moldy>
back
08:06
daduke: are there any instructions anywhere on how to do that? or do just chroot into it and do it the usual way for my distribution?
08:06
<cliebow_>
front
08:07
moldy, might have to put your regular sources.list in the chroot..
08:07
<moldy>
cliebow_: ok
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<ogra>
moldy, you need to install the linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx packages, installing the modules package will regenerate the initramfs for the kernel, so you need to run ltsp-update-kernels as well
08:14
<cliebow_>
ogra:get everything in last night??
08:14
<ogra>
yup
08:14
<cliebow_>
awesome!
08:14
<ogra>
no idea what works and what not though
08:14
i didnt test a piece
08:14
<moldy>
ogra: ahh, thanks
08:15
<cliebow_>
should i try to d/l
08:15
<ogra>
feel free
08:15
i'll start testing on the weekend
08:15
<cliebow_>
alterbate cd right>?
08:15
<ogra>
to much other stuff on my plate before
08:15
right
08:15
<cliebow_>
b's...n's...whatever
08:15* ogra hands cliebow_ a napkin to blow his nose
08:16
<cliebow_>
8~)
08:16
its the ltsp bits you want to look closely at right?
08:19
<ogra>
right
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<moldy>
the vesa driver works alot better than the nv one
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<cliebow_>
moldy:it Is pretty versatile..
08:46
<daduke>
moldy: but slow. forget video
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09:10
<moldy>
daduke: well, i just wanted to see that it basically works :)
09:10
<daduke>
moldy: all right.
09:10
<moldy>
it's not the same client hardware i am going to use in production anyway... i am just spotting things to look out for
09:13
daduke: so with a good graphics driver, a thin client will be able to play video?
09:14
currently i am considering which thin client hardware to buy...
09:16
<ogra>
well, shoveling 24 frames per second in full color over the network will always have performance issues ... uncompressed remote video will never be fast (and thats what you get, since ltsp/X forwards the actual pictures))
09:17
<moldy>
ogra: hmm, ok.
09:17
"real" video is not a "must have" for me (flash is)
09:17
<ogra>
i can run mplayer half way usable over the net ... but dotn ask about flash :)
09:17
<moldy>
ogra: flash does not work?
09:17
<ogra>
it works
09:17
but its not fast
09:18
<moldy>
ogra: hmm
09:18
<ogra>
and i wouldnt suggest viewing anything fullscreen over a remote connection
09:18
<moldy>
ogra: i just did a small test here, and playing a youtube video on the client only caused about 16mbit/s of traffic
09:18
not fullscreen though... but i don't desparately need fullscreen
09:19
ogra: you are talking about a 100mbit connection?
09:19
i am thinking about getting gigabit...
09:19
<ogra>
well, it adds up with the amount of users ... in the end it will depend on your switch :)
09:19
right, gigabit to the server will definately help
09:19
<moldy>
i will definitely get gigabit for the server
09:20
so that the server can serve 10x100mbit
09:20
i am thinking about getting it for the clients, too
09:20
<ogra>
we have a spec and design for locally running applications (firefox, video players, flash etc) but nobody worked on that during that release cycle due to time constraints
09:20
<moldy>
typically, there won't be more than 1 client watching full-screen video at a time
09:21
<ogra>
(and actually i would have considered it to risky for a LTS release (which hardy is))
09:21
<moldy>
ogra: is ltsp compressing the X connection?
09:21
<ogra>
not by default
09:21
you can switch it on
09:21
but that costs CPU power on both sides indeed
09:22
<moldy>
ogra: assuming i have plenty of cpu power on both sides, it would be a good idea, wouldn't it?
09:22
<ogra>
sure
09:22
<moldy>
ogra: most thin client hardware you can buy i have seen so far features a cpu in the 1ghz range
09:22
<ogra>
just set NETWORK_COMPRESSION=True in your lts.conf
09:22
<moldy>
that should be enough, shouldn't it?
09:22
<ogra>
1Ghz is perfect
09:23
<moldy>
ttp://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=4;GROUP=EG43;GROUPID=813;ARTICLE=77994;START=0;SORT=artnr;OFFSET=16;SID=28k@IS@qwQARwAAEx2xtk90679ebd8c47a2dea188088758e3b895
09:23
<ogra>
i'm currently doing my day to day work on a 500MHz/128M client ... sufficient for working (development) and listening to music ...
09:23
<moldy>
i am thinking about getting something similiar to this one... i just have yet to find out what hardware plays nicely with LTSP
09:24
most ltsp-compatible client hardware i found via google seems to be hard to get by in europe
09:24
<ogra>
ebay ;)
09:24
but tat one looks good
09:25
<moldy>
i would need to find someone who sells 10-15 units on ebay... and shipping costs are an issue
09:25
<ogra>
has similar specs to the LTSP term 150 i got here
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09:27
<moldy>
right now i am waiting for an estimate of a shopping cost from thincan
09:28
<ogra>
oh, that rmonds me, i need to test the thin can with hardy
09:28
*reminds
09:28
<moldy>
should sound and local usb work "out of the box" on gutsy?
09:29
artec group is based in estonia?
09:29
<ogra>
yes
09:29
<moldy>
cool, that would probably mean affordable shipping to germany :)
09:29
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, represents them in here ;)
09:29
<moldy>
ogra: yes, i know, he pointed me to them :)
09:30
<Q-FUNK>
:)
09:30
<ogra>
ah, right
09:30
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: btw, if you want to reflash your 61 with PXE, i have an bios image for you
09:30
<moldy>
if it is affordable i would like to buy from a company that is involved in the community rather than from some random store :)
09:30
<ogra>
yeah i saw the several async pings :)
09:30
<Q-FUNK>
moldy: I replied to that already :)
09:31
<moldy>
Q-FUNK: to my mail regarding the shipping cost?
09:31
<ogra>
i wont have time for anything this week, but from next n i should have tme for testing and playing again
09:31
<Q-FUNK>
moldy: yup
09:31
<daduke>
moldy: have a look at the alix c at pcengines.ch
09:31
<moldy>
Q-FUNK: to my second one?
09:32
Q-FUNK: i replied to sales@, mentioning my exact shipping address
09:32
if you replied to that one yet, i think my spam filter has eaten it...
09:33
daduke: ok, but that is just a mainboard?
09:33
<daduke>
moldy: 'just a mobo' as in 'no case'? yup, but a case is in the queue
09:34
<ogra>
looks like dell for thin clients *g*
09:34
<moldy>
daduke: ok... i am looking for complete units mostly :)
09:34
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: ok. please ping me back when you're ready. I'll then e-mail you 3 files you need for this.
09:34
<ogra>
oki
09:35
from monday on my work world shold sanitize again
09:35
damned freezes ...
09:36
btw, did you upload the planner change to debian already ?
09:36
<daduke>
moldy: ok, sorry
09:37
<moldy>
Q-FUNK: did you receive my email, or should i use the contact form to reply?
09:40
<Q-FUNK>
I did
09:40
ogra: no siince they don't work.
09:40
<moldy>
Q-FUNK: ok, but you did not reply to that one (my reply to your first reply) yet, did you?
09:41
<Q-FUNK>
moldy: yes I did.
09:41
<moldy>
Q-FUNK: oh
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<moldy>
Q-FUNK: do you remember when?
09:41* Q-FUNK checks outbox
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: simply patching configure.in doesn't produce binaries that work, while the patch that griffon26 proposes doesn't apply cleanly to 0.14.2, presumably becuase it's done against HEAD.
09:43
<moldy>
Q-FUNK: hm, my mailserver logs only show 1 email from you
09:44
<Q-FUNK>
hm..
09:44
yesterday, it was
09:45
<moldy>
Q-FUNK: hm, strange. did not receive my mailserver yet. can you resend it maybe?
09:45
<Q-FUNK>
sure, just a sec
09:45
<moldy>
afk, back later.
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, oh, then i misunderstood your last comment
09:58
ah, i missed that most of it was from maurice
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<daduke>
tarzeau: welcome back man!
10:10
<tarzeau>
http://superman.istheshit.net
10:16
<cliebow_>
ogra:i see the md5sums are unchanged for the cdimage...
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<ogra>
cliebow_, ldm and ltspfs were uploaded this morning, they might not apprea in yesterday's iso
10:17
*appear
10:18
<cliebow_>
ok..i'll play with what i did Tuesday then...
10:18
<ogra>
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/hardy-alternate-i386.list ... yeah, ldm is the old version
10:18
ltspfs as well
10:18
<cliebow_>
ahhh..thanks for heads up on that..
10:19
<ogra>
tarzeau, i like that one :) http://letter.istheshit.net/
10:21
<cliebow_>
takes all kinds of peoples i guess
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<yanu>
ogra: is it possible to choose the options, eg. shutdown, in ldm , with the keyboard (or perhaps the window-key)?
11:08
ogra: lots of evenings, i have to shutdown my 2 clients, and it's a mess working with the mouse to find the buttons ... especially when standing up
11:09
<Gadi>
yanu: why not press the power button?
11:10
<yanu>
ya, also possible, have to wait 4 sec? i'll test that
11:10
indeed 4 secs
11:11
<Gadi>
that should be a bios setting
11:11
<yanu>
bah, it would be nice to not use the mouse
11:11
possebly
11:14
it's a dell, can't find it
11:15
<Gadi>
well, alternatively, you can install acpid into the chroot and set the power button to shutdown -h now
11:17
<yanu>
that's a good id
11:18
<Gadi>
actually, if its a thin client, you can tie it to: echo o>/proc/sysrq-trigger
11:19
that always a fun one
11:19
:)
11:24
<yanu>
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /bin/bashcryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab
11:24
then did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
11:25
/etc/fstab is emty offcourse
11:25
<Gadi>
just do: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
11:28
<yanu>
same warning: cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab
11:29
<Gadi>
well, its a warning
11:29
not sure why you get it
11:29
is this gutsy?
11:30
<yanu>
sid
11:30
<Gadi>
ah, must be a debian thing then
11:30
dont worry - only a warning
11:30
<yanu>
isn't /etc/fstab made when booting the terminal?
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<yanu>
so it can add hd, floppy, cdrom, ...
11:31
<Gadi>
sorta, yeah
11:31
well, not /etc/fstab, per-se
11:31
but yes
11:31
it is not needed
11:31
but, you are in a chroot env - not a running OS
11:31
there will be warnings along the way
11:31
<yanu>
i know
11:31
<Gadi>
:)
11:32
<yanu>
ok thx, have to go, perhaps ogra likes the id :)
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<cliebow_>
dont you have to mount something in the chrooot to make it all play nice??
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<moldy>
hi again
12:06
what do i need to do to get sound on ubuntu gutsy?
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<Gadi>
moldy: plug the speaker in the right port
12:11
:)
12:11
<moldy>
Gadi: i must be missing something
12:11
<Gadi>
could be the left port
12:11
depends on thin client
12:11
:)
12:12
<moldy>
sound works when using the machine as a fat client
12:12
in ltsp, no success so far
12:12
<Gadi>
hmm... how did you test sound?
12:13
when you login, do you get the welcome sounds?
12:13
<moldy>
no
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<Gadi>
do you have SOUND=Y in lts.conf?
12:14
<moldy>
amarok plays a file without displaying an error, but i don't hear anything
12:14
Gadi: no
12:14
i thought this was default
12:14
<Gadi>
do you have SOUND=N?
12:14
<moldy>
no
12:14
<Gadi>
it should be default
12:14
or so they tell me
12:14
what happens if you go to Preferences > Sound
12:14
and play a test sound?
12:15
<moldy>
need to test that yet, but see amarok
12:15
<Gadi>
amarok is a bad thing to test with
12:15
<moldy>
ok. rebooting at the moment
12:15
<Gadi>
it supports multiple output sound mechanisms and may be misconfigured
12:15
start with something simpler
12:16
also, is this a fresh iinstall of gutsy or an upgrade?
12:16
<moldy>
upgrade
12:16
<Gadi>
ah, so maybe other things are misconfigured
12:16
<moldy>
possible
12:16
should not be though
12:17
all desktop-related stuff was installed after the update
12:17* Gadi nods
12:17
<Gadi>
well, lets get out the tongue-depressor and have the machine say 'ah'
12:18
if it can make a sound that is
12:18
<cliebow_>
cat scan
12:18
meeooow
12:18* Gadi is alil punchy - having a weird day
12:18
<cliebow_>
i have wet feet..
12:18
<Gadi>
cliebow_: dont lick the cord
12:19
<cliebow_>
8~)
12:19
at least im not shooting static sparks like usual
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<moldy_>
Gadi: kde's "test sound" feature: no error messg, no output
12:20
<Gadi>
ah! kde!
12:20
you didnt say kde
12:20
<moldy_>
sorry :)
12:21
is kde special?
12:21
<Gadi>
hmm... well, kde takes some headscratching
12:21
yeah, well, gnome uses gstreamer for everything
12:21
<moldy_>
i have plenty of hard disk space... installing gnome...
12:21
<Gadi>
and with gutsy ltsp, we make a virtual alsa device using pulse to redirect calls to alsa through pulse
12:22
<moldy_>
or wait let me retry a reboot first... i was having some issues...
12:22
brb
12:22* Gadi is not a kde guy, but last I checked (years ago) everythin was through artsd and such
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<tarzeau>
ogra: hehe yeah i saw that letter
13:25
ogra: but did you ever see this one? http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/lovedoc.jpg
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<DawnLight>
hello. i've a question. AMD am486... go or no go?
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<lns>
I've got a Koolu thin client that I'm trying to get to a resolution higher than 800x600. I downloaded & installed the patch in my chroot ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amd/+bug/140051 ) but for some reason, I need to edit lts.conf for a higher color (it starts by default at 16 colors it seems) - I can't figure out how to get the resol;ution to at least 1024x768 though. Can anyone help?
13:45
I know X_MODE_0 doesn't seem to work
13:51
I know a lot of new thin clients are using the AMD Geode chipset (I have run into another out of pure chance earlier) so this must be affecting a lot of people using LTSP...
13:52
<DawnLight>
lns: were you talking to me?
13:53
<lns>
DawnLight, not unless you know what I'm talking about =)
13:53
<DawnLight>
i heard amd...
13:54
<lns>
DawnLight, are you affiliated with them?
13:54
<DawnLight>
no
14:03
<lns>
so....do you just enjoy using AMD products? =p
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<lns>
anyone at all using thin clients with amd geode chipsets and ltsp? Maybe everyone is OTL =p
14:28
<johnny>
send me a couple and then i would :)
14:28
<yanu>
lns: most of the 'great' boys aren't here, sorry
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<lns>
johnny, well i got these as test units from koolu
14:32
you can probably do the same
14:32
koolu.ca
14:32
they really are slick boxes (and very inexpensive)... it would be definitely worth it to us (and I can do as much testing as required, but IANAP) to get these guys going
14:32
very good choice IMHO for thin clients for LTSP
14:32
and I've tested a lot
14:32
(well a lot for me anyway)
14:42
here's an lspci from the koolu, in case anyone is interested. http://pastebin.ca/902875
14:42
<johnny>
test sounds like i'll have to buy later :)
14:42
can't afford that
14:43
<lns>
johnny, i know i've talked to you before but i don't remember how you're involved w/ltsp
14:43
<johnny>
my tech budget is about $50/2 weeks
14:43
i use it at a bookstore coffeehouse
14:44
<lns>
nice...are you a programmer or are you involved with ltsp/ubuntu dev at all?
14:44
<johnny>
uhmm. somewhat
14:44
if i were to find an issue, i'd try to solve it
14:44
i'm working on the sabayon user profile tool for gnome
14:44
which is peripherally associated with ltsp
14:45
<lns>
right...so you do some programming here and there, bugtesting etc?
14:45
<johnny>
yeah
14:45
<lns>
well you know i'd be happy to send you one of these if you are able to help with testing/bugfixing video issues/etc, especially if you have frequent contact with ogra/sbalneav/etc
14:46
<johnny>
if it requires hacking the x driver tho, that's waaay above my head
14:46
<lns>
oh ok
14:47
i'm guessing it would be tweaking x driver/xorg server at some level
14:47
the patched driver on launchpad breaks autodetection i believe
14:47
you get LDM with the patched xorg server/amd driver, but it gives you 800x600 @ 16 color depth
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<johnny>
what does it really suppor?
14:49
support*
14:49
hmm.. did you try editing the generated xorg.conf ?
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<johnny>
and then forcing it with X_CONF ?
14:49
just for testing
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<gonzalo_test>
hi
14:50
<lns>
johnny, thats what i was about to do
14:51
i'd really rather the driver be fixed though, i know a lot of people must have this issue
14:51
<johnny>
i'm sure it will
14:51
<lns>
i'm contemplating trying to find someone i can pay to work on it
14:51
<gonzalo_test>
I'm a user of lts 4.3, I'm going to try ltsp 5, I'm planning to upgrade
14:51
where do I have to start from?
14:51
<johnny>
depends on the distro
14:52
ltsp 5 generated chroot is now distro specific
14:53
<gonzalo_test>
johnny, debian
14:53
debian etch
14:53
<johnny>
i think you have to use backports on debian
14:53
you're going to have to get a new chroot
14:54
<yanu>
gonzalo_test: start here -> http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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<gonzalo_test>
johnny, I see ltsp pkgs in my repos
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<gonzalo_test>
is still vagrant contributing to ltsp | debian ?
14:58
<johnny>
they are the ones you're using
14:58
yes he is
14:59
i think yanu gave you good docs
14:59
<gonzalo_test>
johnny, good.... it's been a while since I dont enter here
14:59
yes thanks yanu
15:10
<DawnLight>
hello. i've a question. AMD am486... go or no go?
15:10
i've a feeling X won't quite run
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<johnny>
is there a user supported thin client recommendation page on the ltsp site?
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<DawnLight>
but this is before my time. i've no comprehention of this hardware's capabilities
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<johnny>
look it up?
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<lns>
DawnLight, a 486 system?
15:12
i really wouldn't recommend it
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<DawnLight>
seems this way
15:12
<lns>
you probably won't get the performance you're looking for with a modern OS, even as a thin client
15:13
<johnny>
lns, you could try this stuff? http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
15:13
it says about using xdebconfigurator instead of the built in one
15:13
maybe that one will work better for you
15:13
even if slower
15:13
i have no experience tho
15:13
just giving you another option
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<lns>
johnny, hmm that might be good
15:15
every time i make manual changes to my chroots, though, i cringe...i guess i'm being anal but I know there's a better way than hacking together a temporary fix like this until the next release comes out. I'll shut up now. =)
15:16
let me try this out though and see if it works - at least we can verify that it's xorg's autoconf that's broken then and i can ammend that bug
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<FuriousGeorge>
hey all.... postfix is listening on port 25 for mail, then it forwards the mail to amavisd which filters it, before sending it back to postfix /also/ listening on 10025
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<FuriousGeorge>
how can i make postfix /also/ listen on another port?
19:21
maybe im just over-complicating things, i just need postfix to listen on a different port for when the client is using an isp who blocks outbound 25
19:21
by the way
19:21
im in the wrong channel
19:21
:)
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<senthil>
in client side ... i am facing this problem .. ERROR. could not automatically detect the nic card.pci card should be detected automatically. ISA card cant be detected, so they require the nic driver to be specified in 'NIC='
22:43
<MacIver>
what are your clients?
22:44
<senthil>
parameter to be passed on the kernel command line,usually specified in option-129 in the /etc/dhcpd.conf.................... please any one guide me
22:45
in client side ... i am facing this problem .. ERROR. could not automatically detect the nic card.pci card should be detected automatically. ISA card cant be detected, so they require the nic driver to be specified in 'NIC='
22:45
parameter to be passed on the kernel command line,usually specified in option-129 in the /etc/dhcpd.conf.................... please any one guide me
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<MacIver>
senthil: quit repeating yourself
22:45
senthil: what are the specs for your clients?
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<senthil>
nic driver name r8169
22:50
<MacIver>
senthil: how did you install ltsp? are you getting this on all clients? what is your favorite color?
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<senthil>
s i am getting this error in all client
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