IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 February 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:09 | <FuriousGeorge> hey all
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| 01:15 | <daduke> FuriousGeorge: hey
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| 01:18 | <FuriousGeorge> so, if my clients have some local storage, i dont really need ltsp... even if they dont, it's still possible to run a diskless station without LTSP... what do I /need/ ltsp for? is it mostly for administrating larger terminal services-based networks?
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| 01:19 | is it mostly to make administrative stuff easier, like adding users or setting policy?
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| 01:23 | <johnny> that's why i use it
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| 01:23 | the 2nd
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| 01:23 | even for just 4 machines
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| 01:23 | 4 clients
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| 01:23 | <FuriousGeorge> johnny: ok, that makes a little more sense to me
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| 01:24 | in the typical ltsp setup, just X gets installed locally, then you run kdm on the remote machine, and pull its desktop/wm over.... is that accurate?
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| 01:24 | well, it gets loaded into memory, not installed locally
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| 01:27 | iow, xorg gets loaded into memory, then kdm? i would just try it myself, but i dont have the thin client yet
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| 03:11 | <moldy> i am going to run ltsp on an ubuntu server. which package(s) should i install to get a good (if possible, "polished") desktop environment for the clients? ubuntu-desktop?
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| 03:14 | <ogra> either that or if you want something more lightweight than gnome xubuntu-desktop is fine as well
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| 03:16 | <moldy> ogra: ok, thanks
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| 03:17 | i guess kubuntu-desktop is fine then, too
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| 03:17 | <johnny> ogra any more work on local apps lately?
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| 03:17 | * moldy has some kde fanatics around here ;) | |
| 03:18 | <ogra> johnny, none at all
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| 03:18 | moldy, sure
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| 03:18 | <johnny> hmm..i'd really like to get OOo and firefox to run locally, that is all
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| 03:19 | <ogra> johnny, then implement localapps :)
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| 03:20 | the design is done ... its just that nobody wrote the code yet
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| 03:20 | <rjune> ogra: is there a way to have gcc tell me what the default path it searches for Libraries is?
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| 03:20 | not sure if you know or not, but I thought you might
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| 03:20 | <moldy> rjune: should be in the manpage
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| 03:21 | <johnny> ogra i'll see what i can do
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| 03:21 | <ogra> i could certainly find out, but then i worked through the night and have actually problems to even get the letters i type in order
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| 03:21 | <johnny> still tryin to get sabayon to even work properly
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| 03:21 | <ogra> johnny, i asked for freeze exceptions for sabayon and tuxpaint
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| 03:21 | <johnny> and fighting loggerhead
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| 03:22 | for bzr
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| 03:22 | i wish i could do all that stuff and get paid.. :)
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| 03:22 | <moldy> rjune: i think it's set at compile time
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| 03:26 | <rjune> I thought there was a switch to diable it
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| 03:29 | <senthil> i configured all the things
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| 03:29 | <rjune> -nostdlib
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| 03:30 | that's it
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| 03:30 | <moldy> rjune: ah, that's what you mean
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| 03:30 | <rjune> Pascal_1: yeah
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| 03:30 | <rjune> gah, moldy
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| 03:31 | <ogra> wow, thats one you cant even blame tab completion for
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| 03:31 | <rjune> yes, I'm building a cross compiler for work, it's looking in the right place for headers, but the wrong place for libs
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| 03:31 | I can blame it. nobody would believe it though
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| 03:31 | <ogra> heh
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| 03:33 | <moldy> ;)
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| 03:33 | afk
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| 03:34 | <rjune> anyway, it's looking in /usr/lib for libs, but I need it to look in /router-root/usr/lib for libs
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| 03:36 | <senthil> i configured all the things
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| 03:36 | Now my client's will get DHCP from the server...
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| 03:36 | but when TFTP comes up, it times out....
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| 03:37 | can any one help me
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| 04:01 | <ogra> senthil, which distro and ltsp release ?
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| 04:04 | <johnny> poor ogra
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| 04:04 | <senthil> debian ltsp 4.2
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| 04:06 | <ogra> you might need to set next-server in your dhcpd.conf to point the client to the tftp server
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| 04:07 | <senthil> s i configured
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| 04:08 | <ogra> well, i'm not of much help for ltsp4 ... its pretty obsolete (especially on debian and ubuntu)
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| 05:32 | <alkisg> Hi guys! On Edubuntu Gutsy 7.10 my clients take a long time to logon (minutes). I've read on the lists that it may be a DNS server fault. Question: why do I need a DNS server? My router (=existing DNS server) is on another subnet, the LTSP server has access to it (2 nics), but not the clients. Do I have to install a DNS server to my LTSP server? Can I work around it with option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; in lts.conf?
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| 06:06 | <moldy> should a 100mbit link be fast enough to watch flash videos on youtube?
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| 06:09 | <moldy> ah, seems to be a local performance problem... good
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| 06:12 | <daduke> moldy: yep. It depends whether you use ssh tunneled X traffic or not though
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| 06:13 | <moldy> daduke: ubuntu uses ssh tunnelled X by default, right?
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| 06:13 | <daduke> moldy: AFAIK it does.
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| 06:13 | <moldy> daduke: and that will be too slow for flash typically?
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| 06:13 | <daduke> moldy: LDM_DIRECTX = True in lts.conf disables it
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| 06:14 | <moldy> daduke: right now the server is just too slow to play it (lags on the server locally, too) -- i am looking for graphics drivers right now
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| 06:14 | <daduke> moldy: depends very much on the CPU of your thin clients and load on the terminal server
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| 06:14 | moldy: that too of course
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| 06:14 | <moldy> daduke: assume cpu power is there -- the network link will be fast enough?
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| 06:14 | <daduke> moldy: here youtube plays fine. there's a a/v delay tho
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| 06:15 | moldy: 100mbit does it no prob
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| 06:15 | <moldy> daduke: hm ok. will need to test it... unfortunately, flash videos in the browser are one of the most important applications here
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| 06:15 | <daduke> moldy: I can do VGA fullscreen
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> Hi guys! On Edubuntu Gutsy 7.10 my clients take a long time to logon (minutes). I've read on the lists that it may be a DNS server fault. Question: why do I need a DNS server? My router (=existing DNS server) is on another subnet, the LTSP server has access to it (2 nics), but not the clients. Do I have to install a DNS server to my LTSP server? Can I work around it with option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; in lts.conf?
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| 06:59 | <moldy> daduke: the video performance on the client is determined by the hardware/drivers on the server, right?
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| 07:02 | <moldy> i suspect that ltsp is not reading my config file, is there a reliable way to check?
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| 07:02 | <cliebow_> moldy:where is it?
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| 07:02 | <moldy> cliebow_: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 07:02 | cliebow_: ubuntu 7.10
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| 07:03 | <cliebow_> can you run ethereal and see that it downloads after the kernel/initrd?
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| 07:03 | <moldy> cliebow_: i could, but i was hoping there was a method that demands less effort :)
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| 07:04 | <cliebow_> a sec..
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| 07:04 | <moldy> hmm, flash on the client runs ok now on the server locally, but is too slow on the client
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| 07:05 | <daduke> moldy: not by the video drivers on the server, no.
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| 07:06 | <cliebow_> does the client come to a shell if SCREEN_07=shell (ogra feel free to jump in 8~/)
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| 07:06 | <moldy> daduke: ah ok
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| 07:06 | cliebow_: no it does not
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| 07:08 | cliebow_: i am trying again, this time running ltsp-update-image after the change
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| 07:08 | daduke: ok, so the drivers on the client determine video performance there... (now that i think about it, that makes sense)
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| 07:09 | <cliebow_> moldy:that shouldnt affect it..huh..because your lts.conf "should" tftp download to client..it is fairly trivial to sudo apt-get install wireshark...
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| 07:10 | <moldy> cliebow_: ubuntu has 2 lts.conf files. one contains a remark that one should use the other one and that if one does not, one needs to run ltsp-update-image :)
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| 07:10 | cliebow_: k, installing it
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| 07:11 | i tried setting "SCREEN_07 = shell" in both of the files
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| 07:12 | <cliebow_> i see..if you alter /opt/ltsp/i386/* you must ltsp-update-image for the change to be included in the squashfs
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| 07:13 | <moldy> yep
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| 07:14 | i thought there might be some kind of logfile...
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| 07:17 | cliebow_: hah, now it works
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| 07:21 | ok, so if i want to tell the client to use another video driver, i would create an appropriate xorg.conf file under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf?
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| 07:25 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 07:25 | <moldy> ok, so it seems the "old-style" lts.conf works, but the new one does not
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| 07:26 | hello Pascal_1
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| 07:26 | <daduke> moldy: or just XSERVER = amd e.g.
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| 07:26 | <Pascal_1> i installed ltsp on ubuntu gutsy, now everything works fine. I try to make authentication from ldap directory... it also works fine, i try now to mount user samba share with libpam-mount
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| 07:27 | the mount works fine but when the user disconnect the mount should umount and that doesnt works
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| 07:27 | it seem to be a bug specific of ubuntu with libpam-mount : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-mount/+bug/117736/+viewstatus
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| 07:28 | do you know if this bug going to be corrected ?
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| 07:29 | <moldy> daduke: ah nice, thanks
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| 07:32 | daduke: hmm. the client is using the "nv" driver, which should be right. but flash performance is still crappy. any ideas?
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| 07:33 | <senthil> hi all
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| 07:35 | <senthil> i'm using ltsp 4.2 pkg and downloaded from ltsp.org.i am having rtl8139 NIC and i am using PXE booting,so at booting time it is giving kernel panic problem..possibly it is missing NIC driver..how to resolve it??
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| 07:35 | <moldy> is there any comprehebsive documentation on the possible options in lts.conf?[1~
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| 07:36 | <daduke> moldy: how about using the proprietary nvidia driver?
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| 07:36 | <moldy> daduke: do i just need to set XSERVER = nvidia?
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| 07:36 | <daduke> moldy: well I guess first you need to install the driver. doesn't come with most distros
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| 07:40 | <cliebow_> moldy:the config possibles are in your chroot as sometyhing like lts_params.gz
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| 07:40 | <moldy> cliebow_: thanks
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| 07:40 | <cliebow_> ill get you a path here
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| 07:42 | <senthil> where can i set
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| 07:42 | i am using rtl8139
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| 07:42 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "***** Switch on/off features (" (155 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/447
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| 07:43 | <Pascal_1> any idea about my question ?
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| 07:43 | <cliebow_> senthil, dont suppose you have two nics in that?
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| 07:44 | <moldy> cliebow_: thanks. is there no option for the proprietary nvidia driver?
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| 07:44 | <cliebow_> ummm
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| 07:44 | <senthil> client side i am having rtl8139 ...
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| 07:44 | <cliebow_> i dont know what nv will do
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| 07:44 | client side are there two nics in the client?
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| 07:44 | <senthil> only one nic card
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| 07:44 | <daduke> moldy: what do you mean 'option'?
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| 07:45 | <moldy> daduke: the stuff like XSERVER
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| 07:45 | <cliebow_> rtl8139 "should" rock!
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| 07:45 | <daduke> moldy: of course you say XSERVER = nvidia, but it will only work if nvidia is installed
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| 07:46 | <cliebow_> moldy: i suppose you could sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386..check ssources.list and install the proprietary drivers in the chroot..
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| 07:46 | <moldy> daduke: ok, good. i just got irritated by that list cliebow_ pasted i guess :)
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| 07:46 | <cliebow_> then ltsp-update-image
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| 07:46 | <moldy> daduke: "nvidia is installed" means what exactly? installed inside the ltsp chroot?
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| 07:47 | <moldy> getting something to eat, back soon
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| 07:48 | <daduke> moldy: of course in the chroot
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| 07:54 | <cliebow_> Ever' mornin' the mine you could see him arrive
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| 07:54 | He stood [C] six-foot six and weighed two forty-five
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| 08:06 | <moldy> back
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| 08:06 | daduke: are there any instructions anywhere on how to do that? or do just chroot into it and do it the usual way for my distribution?
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| 08:06 | <cliebow_> front
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| 08:07 | moldy, might have to put your regular sources.list in the chroot..
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| 08:07 | <moldy> cliebow_: ok
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| 08:14 | <ogra> moldy, you need to install the linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx packages, installing the modules package will regenerate the initramfs for the kernel, so you need to run ltsp-update-kernels as well
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| 08:14 | <cliebow_> ogra:get everything in last night??
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| 08:14 | <ogra> yup
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| 08:14 | <cliebow_> awesome!
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| 08:14 | <ogra> no idea what works and what not though
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| 08:14 | i didnt test a piece
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| 08:14 | <moldy> ogra: ahh, thanks
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| 08:15 | <cliebow_> should i try to d/l
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| 08:15 | <ogra> feel free
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| 08:15 | i'll start testing on the weekend
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| 08:15 | <cliebow_> alterbate cd right>?
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| 08:15 | <ogra> to much other stuff on my plate before
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| 08:15 | right
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| 08:15 | <cliebow_> b's...n's...whatever
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| 08:15 | * ogra hands cliebow_ a napkin to blow his nose | |
| 08:16 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 08:16 | its the ltsp bits you want to look closely at right?
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| 08:19 | <ogra> right
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| 08:41 | <moldy> the vesa driver works alot better than the nv one
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| 08:45 | <cliebow_> moldy:it Is pretty versatile..
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| 08:46 | <daduke> moldy: but slow. forget video
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| 09:10 | <moldy> daduke: well, i just wanted to see that it basically works :)
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| 09:10 | <daduke> moldy: all right.
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| 09:10 | <moldy> it's not the same client hardware i am going to use in production anyway... i am just spotting things to look out for
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| 09:13 | daduke: so with a good graphics driver, a thin client will be able to play video?
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| 09:14 | currently i am considering which thin client hardware to buy...
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| 09:16 | <ogra> well, shoveling 24 frames per second in full color over the network will always have performance issues ... uncompressed remote video will never be fast (and thats what you get, since ltsp/X forwards the actual pictures))
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| 09:17 | <moldy> ogra: hmm, ok.
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| 09:17 | "real" video is not a "must have" for me (flash is)
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| 09:17 | <ogra> i can run mplayer half way usable over the net ... but dotn ask about flash :)
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| 09:17 | <moldy> ogra: flash does not work?
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| 09:17 | <ogra> it works
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| 09:17 | but its not fast
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| 09:18 | <moldy> ogra: hmm
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| 09:18 | <ogra> and i wouldnt suggest viewing anything fullscreen over a remote connection
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| 09:18 | <moldy> ogra: i just did a small test here, and playing a youtube video on the client only caused about 16mbit/s of traffic
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| 09:18 | not fullscreen though... but i don't desparately need fullscreen
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| 09:19 | ogra: you are talking about a 100mbit connection?
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| 09:19 | i am thinking about getting gigabit...
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| 09:19 | <ogra> well, it adds up with the amount of users ... in the end it will depend on your switch :)
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| 09:19 | right, gigabit to the server will definately help
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| 09:19 | <moldy> i will definitely get gigabit for the server
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| 09:20 | so that the server can serve 10x100mbit
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| 09:20 | i am thinking about getting it for the clients, too
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| 09:20 | <ogra> we have a spec and design for locally running applications (firefox, video players, flash etc) but nobody worked on that during that release cycle due to time constraints
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| 09:20 | <moldy> typically, there won't be more than 1 client watching full-screen video at a time
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| 09:21 | <ogra> (and actually i would have considered it to risky for a LTS release (which hardy is))
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| 09:21 | <moldy> ogra: is ltsp compressing the X connection?
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| 09:21 | <ogra> not by default
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| 09:21 | you can switch it on
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| 09:21 | but that costs CPU power on both sides indeed
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| 09:22 | <moldy> ogra: assuming i have plenty of cpu power on both sides, it would be a good idea, wouldn't it?
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| 09:22 | <ogra> sure
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| 09:22 | <moldy> ogra: most thin client hardware you can buy i have seen so far features a cpu in the 1ghz range
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| 09:22 | <ogra> just set NETWORK_COMPRESSION=True in your lts.conf
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| 09:22 | <moldy> that should be enough, shouldn't it?
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| 09:22 | <ogra> 1Ghz is perfect
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| 09:23 | <moldy> ttp://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=4;GROUP=EG43;GROUPID=813;ARTICLE=77994;START=0;SORT=artnr;OFFSET=16;SID=28k@IS@qwQARwAAEx2xtk90679ebd8c47a2dea188088758e3b895
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| 09:23 | <ogra> i'm currently doing my day to day work on a 500MHz/128M client ... sufficient for working (development) and listening to music ...
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| 09:23 | <moldy> i am thinking about getting something similiar to this one... i just have yet to find out what hardware plays nicely with LTSP
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| 09:24 | most ltsp-compatible client hardware i found via google seems to be hard to get by in europe
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| 09:24 | <ogra> ebay ;)
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| 09:24 | but tat one looks good
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| 09:25 | <moldy> i would need to find someone who sells 10-15 units on ebay... and shipping costs are an issue
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| 09:25 | <ogra> has similar specs to the LTSP term 150 i got here
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| 09:27 | <moldy> right now i am waiting for an estimate of a shopping cost from thincan
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| 09:28 | <ogra> oh, that rmonds me, i need to test the thin can with hardy
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| 09:28 | *reminds
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| 09:28 | <moldy> should sound and local usb work "out of the box" on gutsy?
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| 09:29 | artec group is based in estonia?
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| 09:29 | <ogra> yes
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| 09:29 | <moldy> cool, that would probably mean affordable shipping to germany :)
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| 09:29 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, represents them in here ;)
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| 09:29 | <moldy> ogra: yes, i know, he pointed me to them :)
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| 09:30 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 09:30 | <ogra> ah, right
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| 09:30 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: btw, if you want to reflash your 61 with PXE, i have an bios image for you
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| 09:30 | <moldy> if it is affordable i would like to buy from a company that is involved in the community rather than from some random store :)
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| 09:30 | <ogra> yeah i saw the several async pings :)
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| 09:30 | <Q-FUNK> moldy: I replied to that already :)
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| 09:31 | <moldy> Q-FUNK: to my mail regarding the shipping cost?
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| 09:31 | <ogra> i wont have time for anything this week, but from next n i should have tme for testing and playing again
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| 09:31 | <Q-FUNK> moldy: yup
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| 09:31 | <daduke> moldy: have a look at the alix c at pcengines.ch
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| 09:31 | <moldy> Q-FUNK: to my second one?
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| 09:32 | Q-FUNK: i replied to sales@, mentioning my exact shipping address
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| 09:32 | if you replied to that one yet, i think my spam filter has eaten it...
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| 09:33 | daduke: ok, but that is just a mainboard?
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| 09:33 | <daduke> moldy: 'just a mobo' as in 'no case'? yup, but a case is in the queue
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| 09:34 | <ogra> looks like dell for thin clients *g*
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| 09:34 | <moldy> daduke: ok... i am looking for complete units mostly :)
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| 09:34 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: ok. please ping me back when you're ready. I'll then e-mail you 3 files you need for this.
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| 09:34 | <ogra> oki
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| 09:35 | from monday on my work world shold sanitize again
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| 09:35 | damned freezes ...
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| 09:36 | btw, did you upload the planner change to debian already ?
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| 09:36 | <daduke> moldy: ok, sorry
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| 09:37 | <moldy> Q-FUNK: did you receive my email, or should i use the contact form to reply?
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| 09:40 | <Q-FUNK> I did
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| 09:40 | ogra: no siince they don't work.
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| 09:40 | <moldy> Q-FUNK: ok, but you did not reply to that one (my reply to your first reply) yet, did you?
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| 09:41 | <Q-FUNK> moldy: yes I did.
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| 09:41 | <moldy> Q-FUNK: oh
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| 09:41 | <moldy> Q-FUNK: do you remember when?
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| 09:42 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: simply patching configure.in doesn't produce binaries that work, while the patch that griffon26 proposes doesn't apply cleanly to 0.14.2, presumably becuase it's done against HEAD.
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| 09:43 | <moldy> Q-FUNK: hm, my mailserver logs only show 1 email from you
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| 09:44 | <Q-FUNK> hm..
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| 09:44 | yesterday, it was
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| 09:45 | <moldy> Q-FUNK: hm, strange. did not receive my mailserver yet. can you resend it maybe?
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| 09:45 | <Q-FUNK> sure, just a sec
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| 09:45 | <moldy> afk, back later.
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| 09:56 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, oh, then i misunderstood your last comment
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| 09:58 | ah, i missed that most of it was from maurice
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| 10:10 | <daduke> tarzeau: welcome back man!
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| 10:10 | <tarzeau> http://superman.istheshit.net
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| 10:16 | <cliebow_> ogra:i see the md5sums are unchanged for the cdimage...
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| 10:17 | <ogra> cliebow_, ldm and ltspfs were uploaded this morning, they might not apprea in yesterday's iso
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| 10:17 | *appear
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| 10:18 | <cliebow_> ok..i'll play with what i did Tuesday then...
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| 10:18 | <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/hardy-alternate-i386.list ... yeah, ldm is the old version
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| 10:18 | ltspfs as well
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| 10:18 | <cliebow_> ahhh..thanks for heads up on that..
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| 10:19 | <ogra> tarzeau, i like that one :) http://letter.istheshit.net/
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| 10:21 | <cliebow_> takes all kinds of peoples i guess
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| 11:06 | <yanu> ogra: is it possible to choose the options, eg. shutdown, in ldm , with the keyboard (or perhaps the window-key)?
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| 11:08 | ogra: lots of evenings, i have to shutdown my 2 clients, and it's a mess working with the mouse to find the buttons ... especially when standing up
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> yanu: why not press the power button?
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| 11:10 | <yanu> ya, also possible, have to wait 4 sec? i'll test that
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| 11:10 | indeed 4 secs
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> that should be a bios setting
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| 11:11 | <yanu> bah, it would be nice to not use the mouse
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| 11:11 | possebly
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| 11:14 | it's a dell, can't find it
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> well, alternatively, you can install acpid into the chroot and set the power button to shutdown -h now
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| 11:17 | <yanu> that's a good id
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> actually, if its a thin client, you can tie it to: echo o>/proc/sysrq-trigger
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| 11:19 | that always a fun one
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| 11:19 | :)
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| 11:24 | <yanu> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /bin/bashcryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab
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| 11:24 | then did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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| 11:25 | /etc/fstab is emty offcourse
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> just do: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:28 | <yanu> same warning: cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> well, its a warning
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| 11:29 | not sure why you get it
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| 11:29 | is this gutsy?
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| 11:30 | <yanu> sid
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> ah, must be a debian thing then
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| 11:30 | dont worry - only a warning
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| 11:30 | <yanu> isn't /etc/fstab made when booting the terminal?
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| 11:30 | <yanu> so it can add hd, floppy, cdrom, ...
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> sorta, yeah
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| 11:31 | well, not /etc/fstab, per-se
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| 11:31 | but yes
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| 11:31 | it is not needed
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| 11:31 | but, you are in a chroot env - not a running OS
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| 11:31 | there will be warnings along the way
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| 11:31 | <yanu> i know
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:32 | <yanu> ok thx, have to go, perhaps ogra likes the id :)
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| 11:48 | <cliebow_> dont you have to mount something in the chrooot to make it all play nice??
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| 12:03 | <moldy> hi again
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| 12:06 | what do i need to do to get sound on ubuntu gutsy?
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> moldy: plug the speaker in the right port
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| 12:11 | :)
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| 12:11 | <moldy> Gadi: i must be missing something
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> could be the left port
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| 12:11 | depends on thin client
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| 12:11 | :)
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| 12:12 | <moldy> sound works when using the machine as a fat client
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| 12:12 | in ltsp, no success so far
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> hmm... how did you test sound?
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| 12:13 | when you login, do you get the welcome sounds?
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| 12:13 | <moldy> no
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> do you have SOUND=Y in lts.conf?
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| 12:14 | <moldy> amarok plays a file without displaying an error, but i don't hear anything
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| 12:14 | Gadi: no
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| 12:14 | i thought this was default
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> do you have SOUND=N?
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| 12:14 | <moldy> no
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> it should be default
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| 12:14 | or so they tell me
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| 12:14 | what happens if you go to Preferences > Sound
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| 12:14 | and play a test sound?
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| 12:15 | <moldy> need to test that yet, but see amarok
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> amarok is a bad thing to test with
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| 12:15 | <moldy> ok. rebooting at the moment
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> it supports multiple output sound mechanisms and may be misconfigured
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| 12:15 | start with something simpler
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| 12:16 | also, is this a fresh iinstall of gutsy or an upgrade?
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| 12:16 | <moldy> upgrade
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> ah, so maybe other things are misconfigured
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| 12:16 | <moldy> possible
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| 12:16 | should not be though
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| 12:17 | all desktop-related stuff was installed after the update
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| 12:17 | * Gadi nods | |
| 12:17 | <Gadi> well, lets get out the tongue-depressor and have the machine say 'ah'
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| 12:18 | if it can make a sound that is
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| 12:18 | <cliebow_> cat scan
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| 12:18 | meeooow
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| 12:18 | * Gadi is alil punchy - having a weird day | |
| 12:18 | <cliebow_> i have wet feet..
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> cliebow_: dont lick the cord
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| 12:19 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 12:19 | at least im not shooting static sparks like usual
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| 12:20 | <moldy_> Gadi: kde's "test sound" feature: no error messg, no output
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> ah! kde!
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| 12:20 | you didnt say kde
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| 12:20 | <moldy_> sorry :)
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| 12:21 | is kde special?
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> hmm... well, kde takes some headscratching
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| 12:21 | yeah, well, gnome uses gstreamer for everything
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| 12:21 | <moldy_> i have plenty of hard disk space... installing gnome...
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> and with gutsy ltsp, we make a virtual alsa device using pulse to redirect calls to alsa through pulse
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| 12:22 | <moldy_> or wait let me retry a reboot first... i was having some issues...
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| 12:22 | brb
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| 12:22 | * Gadi is not a kde guy, but last I checked (years ago) everythin was through artsd and such | |
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| 13:25 | <tarzeau> ogra: hehe yeah i saw that letter
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| 13:25 | ogra: but did you ever see this one? http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/lovedoc.jpg
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| 13:35 | <DawnLight> hello. i've a question. AMD am486... go or no go?
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| 13:44 | <lns> I've got a Koolu thin client that I'm trying to get to a resolution higher than 800x600. I downloaded & installed the patch in my chroot ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amd/+bug/140051 ) but for some reason, I need to edit lts.conf for a higher color (it starts by default at 16 colors it seems) - I can't figure out how to get the resol;ution to at least 1024x768 though. Can anyone help?
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| 13:45 | I know X_MODE_0 doesn't seem to work
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| 13:51 | I know a lot of new thin clients are using the AMD Geode chipset (I have run into another out of pure chance earlier) so this must be affecting a lot of people using LTSP...
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| 13:52 | <DawnLight> lns: were you talking to me?
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| 13:53 | <lns> DawnLight, not unless you know what I'm talking about =)
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| 13:53 | <DawnLight> i heard amd...
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| 13:54 | <lns> DawnLight, are you affiliated with them?
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| 13:54 | <DawnLight> no
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| 14:03 | <lns> so....do you just enjoy using AMD products? =p
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| 14:26 | <lns> anyone at all using thin clients with amd geode chipsets and ltsp? Maybe everyone is OTL =p
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| 14:28 | <johnny> send me a couple and then i would :)
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| 14:28 | <yanu> lns: most of the 'great' boys aren't here, sorry
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| 14:31 | <lns> johnny, well i got these as test units from koolu
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| 14:32 | you can probably do the same
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| 14:32 | koolu.ca
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| 14:32 | they really are slick boxes (and very inexpensive)... it would be definitely worth it to us (and I can do as much testing as required, but IANAP) to get these guys going
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| 14:32 | very good choice IMHO for thin clients for LTSP
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| 14:32 | and I've tested a lot
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| 14:32 | (well a lot for me anyway)
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| 14:42 | here's an lspci from the koolu, in case anyone is interested. http://pastebin.ca/902875
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| 14:42 | <johnny> test sounds like i'll have to buy later :)
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| 14:42 | can't afford that
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| 14:43 | <lns> johnny, i know i've talked to you before but i don't remember how you're involved w/ltsp
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| 14:43 | <johnny> my tech budget is about $50/2 weeks
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| 14:43 | i use it at a bookstore coffeehouse
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| 14:44 | <lns> nice...are you a programmer or are you involved with ltsp/ubuntu dev at all?
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| 14:44 | <johnny> uhmm. somewhat
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| 14:44 | if i were to find an issue, i'd try to solve it
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| 14:44 | i'm working on the sabayon user profile tool for gnome
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| 14:44 | which is peripherally associated with ltsp
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| 14:45 | <lns> right...so you do some programming here and there, bugtesting etc?
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| 14:45 | <johnny> yeah
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| 14:45 | <lns> well you know i'd be happy to send you one of these if you are able to help with testing/bugfixing video issues/etc, especially if you have frequent contact with ogra/sbalneav/etc
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| 14:46 | <johnny> if it requires hacking the x driver tho, that's waaay above my head
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| 14:46 | <lns> oh ok
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| 14:47 | i'm guessing it would be tweaking x driver/xorg server at some level
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| 14:47 | the patched driver on launchpad breaks autodetection i believe
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| 14:47 | you get LDM with the patched xorg server/amd driver, but it gives you 800x600 @ 16 color depth
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| 14:49 | <johnny> what does it really suppor?
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| 14:49 | support*
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| 14:49 | hmm.. did you try editing the generated xorg.conf ?
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| 14:49 | <johnny> and then forcing it with X_CONF ?
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| 14:49 | just for testing
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| 14:50 | <gonzalo_test> hi
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| 14:50 | <lns> johnny, thats what i was about to do
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| 14:51 | i'd really rather the driver be fixed though, i know a lot of people must have this issue
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| 14:51 | <johnny> i'm sure it will
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| 14:51 | <lns> i'm contemplating trying to find someone i can pay to work on it
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| 14:51 | <gonzalo_test> I'm a user of lts 4.3, I'm going to try ltsp 5, I'm planning to upgrade
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| 14:51 | where do I have to start from?
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| 14:51 | <johnny> depends on the distro
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| 14:52 | ltsp 5 generated chroot is now distro specific
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| 14:53 | <gonzalo_test> johnny, debian
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| 14:53 | debian etch
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| 14:53 | <johnny> i think you have to use backports on debian
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| 14:53 | you're going to have to get a new chroot
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| 14:54 | <yanu> gonzalo_test: start here -> http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 14:57 | <gonzalo_test> johnny, I see ltsp pkgs in my repos
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| 14:58 | <gonzalo_test> is still vagrant contributing to ltsp | debian ?
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| 14:58 | <johnny> they are the ones you're using
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| 14:58 | yes he is
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| 14:59 | i think yanu gave you good docs
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| 14:59 | <gonzalo_test> johnny, good.... it's been a while since I dont enter here
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| 14:59 | yes thanks yanu
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| 15:10 | <DawnLight> hello. i've a question. AMD am486... go or no go?
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| 15:10 | i've a feeling X won't quite run
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| 15:10 | <johnny> is there a user supported thin client recommendation page on the ltsp site?
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| 15:11 | <DawnLight> but this is before my time. i've no comprehention of this hardware's capabilities
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| 15:11 | <johnny> look it up?
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| 15:12 | <lns> DawnLight, a 486 system?
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| 15:12 | i really wouldn't recommend it
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| 15:12 | <DawnLight> seems this way
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| 15:12 | <lns> you probably won't get the performance you're looking for with a modern OS, even as a thin client
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| 15:13 | <johnny> lns, you could try this stuff? http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 15:13 | it says about using xdebconfigurator instead of the built in one
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| 15:13 | maybe that one will work better for you
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| 15:13 | even if slower
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| 15:13 | i have no experience tho
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| 15:13 | just giving you another option
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| 15:14 | <lns> johnny, hmm that might be good
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| 15:15 | every time i make manual changes to my chroots, though, i cringe...i guess i'm being anal but I know there's a better way than hacking together a temporary fix like this until the next release comes out. I'll shut up now. =)
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| 15:16 | let me try this out though and see if it works - at least we can verify that it's xorg's autoconf that's broken then and i can ammend that bug
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| 19:17 | <FuriousGeorge> hey all.... postfix is listening on port 25 for mail, then it forwards the mail to amavisd which filters it, before sending it back to postfix /also/ listening on 10025
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| 19:18 | <FuriousGeorge> how can i make postfix /also/ listen on another port?
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| 19:21 | maybe im just over-complicating things, i just need postfix to listen on a different port for when the client is using an isp who blocks outbound 25
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| 19:21 | by the way
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| 19:21 | im in the wrong channel
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| 19:21 | :)
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| 22:42 | <senthil> in client side ... i am facing this problem .. ERROR. could not automatically detect the nic card.pci card should be detected automatically. ISA card cant be detected, so they require the nic driver to be specified in 'NIC='
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| 22:43 | <MacIver> what are your clients?
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| 22:44 | <senthil> parameter to be passed on the kernel command line,usually specified in option-129 in the /etc/dhcpd.conf.................... please any one guide me
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| 22:45 | in client side ... i am facing this problem .. ERROR. could not automatically detect the nic card.pci card should be detected automatically. ISA card cant be detected, so they require the nic driver to be specified in 'NIC='
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| 22:45 | parameter to be passed on the kernel command line,usually specified in option-129 in the /etc/dhcpd.conf.................... please any one guide me
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| 22:45 | <MacIver> senthil: quit repeating yourself
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| 22:45 | senthil: what are the specs for your clients?
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| 22:48 | <senthil> nic driver name r8169
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| 22:50 | <MacIver> senthil: how did you install ltsp? are you getting this on all clients? what is your favorite color?
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| 23:02 | <senthil> s i am getting this error in all client
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