IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 13 April 2016   (all times are UTC)

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06:43
<alkisg>
!alkisg-todo
06:43
<ltsp>
alkisg-todo: (#1) support xnbd-proxy for local caching: https://bitbucket.org/hirofuchi/xnbd/wiki/Home#!scenario-2-simple-proxy-server-distributed-copy-on-write, or (#2) Support UEFI, or (#3) support for per-user login commands in lts.conf, or (#4) put panic=60 in the kernel cmdline
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09:03
<join_>
hello!
09:03
question>>
09:03
model connection between client and server LTSP like?
09:04
<alkisg>
What is "model connection"?
09:04
Are you asking for the protocol that LTSP uses?
09:04
<join_>
yes
09:05
<alkisg>
It's xorg, x-windows
09:05
The protocol that linux uses for graphics
09:07
<join_>
oh! how to work LTSP?
09:07
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
09:07
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
09:07
<alkisg>
Follow that tutorial to set up LTSP
09:10
<join_>
the client data is stored somewhere in the Ubuntu LTSP
09:11
<alkisg>
The clients don't have disks. The only hard disk is on the server. Everything is stored there.
09:11
Do you have existing clients? How many? What cpu/ram?
09:16
<join_>
Ram 2G cpu Pentium Dual-Core
09:18
the process connection between the client and ubuntu LTSP
09:18
<alkisg>
You didn't say how many clients, but OK that tutorial is fine for them.
09:18
!docs
09:18
<ltsp>
docs: (#1) For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/, or (#2) For a PDF with official documentation, install the ltsp-docs package.
09:18
<alkisg>
Read the docs for details
09:19
<join_>
ok
09:19
the process connection between the thin client and ubuntu LTSP
09:21
process thin-client to boot to LTSP
09:22
<alkisg>
How LTSP works is described in http://wiki.ltsp.org/
09:22
How to set it up is described in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
09:23
That's all...
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: ltsp.org appears to be down even after server (ltsp.org) restart - could you ping jammcq about it?
09:29
...or that's just me?!
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09:40
<alkisg>
Wow
09:40
Thank you sebd
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09:44
<alkisg>
I can ssh to ltsp.org, but I can't access the :80 port... ?!!!!!???
09:45* alkisg hates the greek school network issues... :)
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12:02
<Tony__>
There is plenty of information on the internet including here, but I could not find a specific discussion on it. Any comment is appreciated. Sorry if it is a very rookie question. I installed Ubuntu 14.04 and the LTSP server. I also use Virtual Box to emulate a diskless thin/fat client to test it. For now, I understand that the LTSP creates chroot environment at /opt/ltsp/i386/ (or amd64) of the server(host). Until now, I found that:
12:03
For thin client (common build option, no desktop installed), after my logging into LDM using server username and password, the root folder will be the actual root of the server. However, if press alt+ctrl+F1 into terminal with admin accound logged in, the root folder is the chroot, which is reasonable. For fat client (FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS="ubuntu-desktop" in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf) as described in this tutorial , the root fold
12:03
Of course, the interface is different, where thin client will be the gnome-core version as I installed on my ubuntu server, and fat client uses unity, although I guess it is the default settings.
12:03
There is plenty of information on the internet including here, but I could not find a specific discussion on it. Any comment is appreciated. Sorry if it is a very rookie question. I installed Ubuntu 14.04 and the LTSP server. I also use Virtual Box to emulate a diskless thin/fat client to test it. For now, I understand that the LTSP creates chroot environment at /opt/ltsp/i386/ (or amd64) of the server(host). Until now, I found tha
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15:51
<alkisg>
stgraber: LTSP in Ubuntu 14.04 is completely broken. The current version from Xenial works fine in Ubuntu 14.04 (I'm using that daily).
15:52
Users complain, but no Ubuntu developer (not me either) has time to pick up all those little bugs to do an SRU
15:52
So, I'd like to syncpackage ltsp from debian to Ubuntu 14.04, without spending days in bureaucracy is that possible?
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<alkisg>
(although I'm not sure what will happen with the edubuntu .diff that was dropped... but no new edubuntu dvds are built, right?)
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: initrd=ltsp/xenial-ubuntu/initrd.img,ltsp/i386/ltsp.cpio
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This allows for injecting lts.conf to the initramfs dynamically, i.e. pxelinux downloads it as a separate file
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Or, we can inject init-bottom/ltsp to an initramfs that doesn't have any ltsp scripts in it, and make it ltsp compatible :D
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<vagrantc>
interesting!
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<alkisg>
If we get this very far, ltsp may be able to netboot any system without actually installing ltsp-client or anything else in it (when ldm is no longer required, in the future)
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<vagrantc>
i do see value in having an actual package, though. it allows for dependencies to make sure packages x, y and z are installed at appropriate versions, etc.
16:35
<alkisg>
Sure
16:36
<vagrantc>
but that opens a lot of really awesome possibilities!
16:36
<alkisg>
An if-up.d server-side script would be handy too, e.g. to dynamically update a ip-configuration.cpio, e.g. for proxydhcp cases etc
16:37
And, with multiple initrds, we won't need to have a different init=sbin/init-ltsp, we the second initrd can signify that we want an ltsp boot
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*as the second...
16:38
Lots of thoughts for ltsp 6 :D Let's hope to get it started in debconf :)
17:10
<sebd>
Hello, is there an LDAP schema that allows for storing lts.conf directives for each LTSP client computer ?
17:10
<alkisg>
LTSP doesn't have any ldap-related code at all
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<sebd>
I remember there was a way to provide lts.conf directives as kernel parameters, and I know iPXE menu can be generated from PHP, and PHP can speak LDAP. I wonder if anyone has done that already.
17:12
<alkisg>
Guys at Finland have a variation of LTSP, which now has little common code with the initial LTSP, that uses LDAP
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vmlintu isn't around now though
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<sebd>
ok
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<alkisg>
sebd: why would it be better for you to use ldap instead of e.g. some gui to manage lts.conf?
17:14
Do you already have the ltsp clients in ldap, and if so, why and with what info?
17:15
Just wondering if it would be useful to add upstream support for that...
17:15
<sebd>
I already have all my computers in the LDAP so they each have a name I can ping
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<alkisg>
You have DNS connected to your LDAP?!
17:15
<sebd>
(DNS and DHCP info is read from the LDAP)
17:15
yes
17:15
<alkisg>
...why?!
17:15
<sebd>
:)
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<alkisg>
No, really, why would someone not use the usual dns and dhcp files to store that information?
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Is it a matter of the UI used?
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<sebd>
Well I have been using Mandriva's "MMC" web interface to update the LDAP data.
17:17
Before that I was just using plain /etc/files
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(no LDAP)
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Having the users in the LDAP helps with other software such as dokuwiki, radicale, etc.
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<alkisg>
So, suppose I'm "offering you" an lts.conf graphical editor, to keep all your client data there, dhcp, dns, kernel parameters, other lts.conf directives etc,
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and an "ltsp-export dhcp/dns/pxelinux.cfg/whatever" function to automatically update your other services
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What would you prefer then, my method or ldap?
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<sebd>
where would the data sit ? would there be a central sql database for instance ?
17:20
<alkisg>
In a text file
17:20
<sebd>
ok
17:20
why not
17:20
<alkisg>
How many clients can someone have... to not fit in a text file...
17:20
i'm imagining if someone has thousands of clients, he'll balance in a few different servers...
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Question, so now you can add clients and have dhcp/dns updated without restarting the dhcp/dns servers?
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Which software are you using for that?
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<sebd>
alkisg: but we have shared directories. In these file are owned by various users. How can a fat client resolve uids if there is no LDAP ?
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<alkisg>
I'm not talking about user accounts and uids
17:22
I'm only talking about PCs, ltsp clients
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<sebd>
ok
17:22
so for dns I have been using ldap2bind
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and for DHCP the standard debian isc-dhcp-ldap package
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ldap2bind requires a reload of bind every hour
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(by default)
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<alkisg>
Ah,OK, ltsp-export could do it better with e.g. `killall -HUP dnsmasq` to have dnsmasq re-read the exported file without even restarting
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<sebd>
dhcpd must be restarted after changes
17:24
ok yes I haven't looked into dnsmask yet. I was used to bind + isc dhcpd
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<alkisg>
OK so the only benefit that I can see is the GUI, if MMC is better than whatever editor lts.conf might get...
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<sebd>
about that (slightly off topic) : do you know visudo for example ? it checks for syntax errors before actually saving your changes
17:25
what about a vilts ?
17:25
<alkisg>
Sure, that's easily doable
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<sebd>
Many times I got stuck with everything failing until I found my error in lts.conf
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Now I manually type /opt/ltsp/amd64/usr/bin/getltscfg -c /srv/tftp/boot/lts.conf LDM_PRINTER_DEFAULT
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just to check that it is still parsable
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<alkisg>
getltscfg -a should also work
17:28
<sebd>
ok
17:28* vagrantc suspects it would be a good idea to support multiple backends to store data
17:29
<vagrantc>
sqlite has been growing on me, and many of the ways to support sqlite also you get mysql/postgresql for free
17:29* alkisg doesn't like adding code to ltsp when he can avoid it :D
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<alkisg>
If we could e.g. reuse gconf-editor somehow, it'd be very nice
17:30
But I couldn't find any good and extensible property editor
17:30
<vagrantc>
definitely, good to re-use code
17:30
<alkisg>
Then, I wouldn't mind using whatever format that editor is using, to store the properties
17:31
And an ltsp-export function would be easy then, e.g. from .json to lts.conf or pxelinux.cfg or whatever
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<sebd>
A central .json database sounds good to me, I can edit it using vim.
17:33
But we would also need a standard GUI interface for other users.
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<alkisg>
.ini (like lts.conf), .yaml, .json, whatever
17:34
If we can find such an editor, let's go for it, otherwise lts.conf (.ini) still sounds fine to me, although maybe in /etc/ltsp/config.d/*.conf
17:43* sebd always says "less code is better code"
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<sebd>
For XML we have XML Schemas which rule what can be in a document, in what order, etc. From the XML Schema, an XML editor knows what to allow and what not. Is there similar approach with yaml, json or .ini files ?
17:50
https://github.com/jdorn/json-editor does what I'm talking about
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<alkisg>
Are there any .xml-based property editors around?
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That allow the user to enter numbers, booleans, lists, and maybe even show help for each entry...
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Like gconf-editor, it has nice support for schemas and inline help and all
17:52
<Phantomas>
sebd: There is jsonschema, which can work for both json and yaml
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